Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Updates & Posts by TS => Topic started by: TS on December 01, 2010, 01:30:15 AM
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Are the Elvis and MJ parallels all a scam by TS? In fact, is TS involved in a complex murder plot along with Sony and TMZ—using Elvis and numerology, etc, to make the MJ death look like hoax?? This post covers the answers to these questions.
However, if you are a hoax newbie, this post will not make much sense until you have read at least the following posts:
TIAI Update #4a, #4b, #4c, & #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14058}.
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1. Outline
1. Outline
2. Truth Will Prevail
3. Most Recent Predictions
4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
6. Katherine and Randy
7. Bahrain And Michael
8. God Can Protect
9. “His Own Words”
10. Eliza’s Court Case
11. Eleven Thirty
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2. Truth Will Prevail
Although I did mention the concept of being tested, I never said that the test would be intentionally false information (to see if anyone would catch it). That is of course a possibility; but it’s also possible that the only test is whether people will reject true information, without checking it out for themselves.
It is good to see people doing their own research, on some of the subjects that I have previously written (as well as other subjects); I have no complaints about this. If what I have written is wrong, in time that will become obvious; and if what I have written is truth, in time the “truth will prevail”.
However, just because someone questions or challenges what I have written, don’t expect me to respond impulsively. In time I will usually answer, especially if nobody else does; but don’t expect any knee-jerk reactions from me, I’ve never operated that way and never will. Quick reactions are usually emotionally charged, and not well thought out; I like to give time for the dust to settle, and also time for others to find answers—that way people are thinking for themselves, rather than just letting me spoon feed them. Furthermore, I normally post on key dates and times; and this case is no exception (see section 11, below).
Some have thought that my “return” and “bam” predictions were for the purpose of testing people. Again, this is possible; but there is another reason, which I won’t reveal until after the bam. And as I have said before, the “return” did have a double-meaning: one meaning was a possible bam, and the other meaning was “piece by piece” information about the hoax coming together, and especially things about the hoax hitting the media. This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months. Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
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3. Most Recent Predictions
Quoting from the redirect on November 2 (which mentions the November 1 redirect): “I think that it is not only the content of the [November 1] redirect that is important but the timing as well. ... I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. ... we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one. ... The term ‘the eleventh hour’ springs to mind and perhaps this is why TS redirected to this post on the first day of the eleventh month. It could mean we are moving into the next phase ... ‘Remember, remember the 5th of November’” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15306}
Does anybody feel like this month (November) has been the “next phase”, or “next level”—have things been a little crazy this month (after being rather quiet for a few months)? We got “Breaking News”, first preview on November 5 {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/05/michael-jacksons-new-music-breaking-news-song-sony-records/}; and “Opis None”, also on November 5 {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/06/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-mj-song-opus-released-music-jackson-secret-vault/}; the Oprah Encino interview happened this month (see section 6, below); and the news about MJ and Elvis still being alive was huge hoax news that came out this month (Teddy Riley and Akon).
By the way: did you notice that much of the media reported Riley as an “insane producer”—but the word “insane” was not used by TMZ? “MJ Producer Believes MJ is ALIVE!!!!!” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/michael-jackson-alive-dead-conspiracy-teddy-riley-blackstreet-dangerous-death-life-hiding/; http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22insane+producer%22+riley&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cae82668a2ddab14}.
So this has been quite a month. And just before this month began, on October 30, TIAI redirected to War of the Worlds: “On Oct. 30, 1938, up-and-coming actor and director Orson Welles stages a radio adapation of H.G. Welles’ novel War of the Worlds set in modern-day New Jersey. Presented as a series of news bulletins and without commercial breaks [breaking news] ...” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15242}
Elsa commented on this prediction: “I’ve realized that this TIAI redirect about the Orson Welles broadcast of War of the Worlds (The Greatest Hoaxes ever), was timed perfectly prior to Breaking News . The War or the Worlds broadcast was done as a series of news bulletins about Martians landing in New Jersey. Breaking News starts with news bulletins and was supposedly recorded in New Jersey.”
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15242&start=25#p263414}.
That TIAI redirect to War of the Worlds on October 30 was clearly first, because the song title “Breaking News” was not mentioned on TMZ until November 4 {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/04/michael-jackson-album-sony-breaking-news-fake-tracks-katherine-jackson-prince-paris-new-jersey/}.
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
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4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
I think that there are two main reasons why many people do not accept the numerology: either they are not mathematical, and don’t understand it very well—and/or they do not want to accept the meaning of it all (MJ planned his own death hoax; and New World Order, end of the world, Elvis connection, etc).
But the $999 reward is the solution for both of these two reasons. And the fact that nobody has come anywhere close to claiming the reward (or succeeded in passing the coincidence test)—after nearly three months, and multiple thousands of views on that $999 reward post—this is very strong proof that the numerology is irrefutable evidence. Nevertheless, in spite of the unclaimed reward: I will go into more details now, because of the high importance of the numerology, and also because of the fact that many still don’t understand or accept it.
Many people on the forum, as well as the general public, are not real good at math—especially if it gets complex. But the MJ numerology math itself is very simple, such as: 1998 / 2 = 999; or 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. What’s much more complex than the numerology itself, is calculating the statistics of whether the MJ numerology was all by chance or design. And this is what a lot of people are still not getting—especially when it comes to calculating not only the probabilities of a coincidence, but also the opportunities of a coincidence.
Recent complaints about the numerology have included statements such as: TS has been “crafting numerology”, or I just “kept looking until I found connections”, or there are “countless events which hold numerology”, etc. All such statements show a great lack of understanding the opportunities concept, in all the MJ hoax numerology. So I will try to explain this further.
First, we must understand that when some connection is made (whether a number, or anything else): if we want to assess the likelihood of the connection being merely by chance, we need to look at the opportunities for a coincidence on both ends of the connection (this is something many forget, and at most they look only for the opportunities on one end of the connection).
For example, what are the opportunities for MJ to die (one end of the connection) on June 25, 2009 (the other end of the connection)? Let’s take a close look at each end of this connection, starting with MJ. Why are we picking MJ’s death—why not Farrah, or someone else? How many opportunities are there for SOMEBODY to die on 6-25-09? Thousands of people die every day! And even if we were to limit the opportunities down to only famous or important people, we would still have a list of 16 people on Wikipedia who died that day {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_June_2009}.
Out of these 16 opportunities, why do we choose MJ—just because we like MJ? What about Farrah fans: should they limit the opportunities down to 1, merely because they like her? No, being a fan of MJ or Farrah does not change the opportunities of who might die on that day by chance.
However, did Farrah or anyone else in the world (other than MJ) have a record-breaking album, song, and video titled “Thriller”—which was about the dead being alive? Or did anyone other than MJ marry the daughter of an extremely famous person, who is very well known for possibly faking his death? It is these things, and not merely liking MJ, which allows us mathematically to reduce down to 1 the opportunities of a coincidence on this end of the connection (WHO died on 6-25-09).
Notice also at this point, that the opportunities for somebody ELSE famous or important dying on the same day is very likely—in fact, 15 other people are listed on Wikipedia that day, and several people are listed as dying on every day of the month in June 2009 (in fact, Wikipedia lists notable deaths regularly every day).
And if you were to start researching the other people who died on 6-25-09, you would almost certainly find SOME kind of connection with MJ—same age, or lived in the same town, or same color hair, or same first name, or same brand of car, or same SOMETHING! You will find connections which are merely coincidence, because you are browsing through an almost endless sea (multi-contextual research) of opportunities for a coincidence. So no, MJ did not plan to fake his death on the same day as Farrah’s death (or anyone else).
We have looked at MJ’s “death” on one end of the connection; now we are ready to look at the other end of the connection, the date (6-25-09). What are the opportunities of MJ dying on a particular date by coincidence? Why do we pick 6-25-09, merely because that is when it happened?
Wikipedia lists the current average worldwide lifespan as 67.2 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_life_span}. If we multiply 67.2 by 365.25 days in a year (average including leap years), we have 24,545 days in the average person’s life; this means that we have nearly 25,000 opportunities for MJ to actually die on SOME day by chance. So why do we pick 6-25-09? This is where the numerology really kicks in, and narrows the window of coincidence opportunities from 25,000 down to 1.
First, let’s look at the 2040 number on the spaceship. The year 2009 had 11 dates which add up to 2040 (and 2010 through 2027 have 12 dates each year). But these years all have more than 350 dates which do NOT add up to 2040; so even with no other numerology, there is only about 1 chance in 30 (~3%) that MJ really died on 6-25-2009 by chance—and 29 chances in 30 (~97%) that MJ planned to “die” (a fake death) on 6-25-2009!
True, numerology often continues adding and reducing until the answer is one digit (6 + 2 + 5 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 9 = 24; 2 + 4 = 6); however, that is not the only method of numerology. And since the 2040 was clearly copying Elvis (because both Elvis 2001 and MJ 2040 was a space-related concert into, adding up to the fake death day): then we can be sure that in this case, the date 6-25-2009 should not be reduced to one digit (just like 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001, not one digit). And please do not overlook the important fact that understanding the Elvis connection answers many of the MJ hoax questions and objections, etc.
Even with this 2040 connection, we should think about connections on both ends. We have already looked at the one end (6-25-2009); but what about opportunities on the other end of the connection, 2040? How many different numbers did MJ display on a space-related concert intro? Ten thousand, or fifty, or a dozen, or only 1? Maybe those of you who know MJ better than I do can help me out; but right now, I can only think of 1 opportunity on this end of the connection.
So even if we stopped the numerology right here: we could close the book and say that there’s a 3% chance MJ died on 6-25-2009 merely by coincidence, and a 97% chance that he faked his death by plan!!! Thankfully, MJ did not want to leave anyone with a 3% wiggle room; because human nature tends to prefer claiming rare coincidence, rather than admitting unwelcome truth. So MJ made sure that the numerology was less than 1 chance in a million, rather than 3 chances in a hundred (3%).
Especially since many people don’t like my long posts: I will stop here, rather than continuing to examine the opportunities of a coincidence (on both ends of each numerology connection). However, I will repeat here the list from my last post; and keep in mind that the 3% (above) is only one of the twelve listed below. Notice also that the numerology is all dealing with factors of time related to the “death”—which greatly reduces the scope of coincidence opportunities: it is NOT browsing through a wide sea of events, and multi-contextual researches, etc (quantity of album sales, street addresses, shoe sizes, length of paper clips, add infinitum).
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
I realize that this next statement could be referred to as “circular reasoning”; however, if you can accept even one step in the circle, then the whole circle becomes valid. #1 As long as nobody can claim the $999 reward, the numerology stands uncontested and irrefutable; #2 the numerology proves that MJ himself planned the timing of his own (fake) “death”, so he was not murdered; #3 the numerology explains the reasons for the hoax, including the Elvis connection; #4 TS has understood and explained the numerology better than anyone else in MJ hoaxland, so TS is valid; #5 TS supports TMZ (and TMZ supports TS); #6 TMZ is not playing games, unless MJ is really dead; but we know that MJ is not dead (see #2), so TMZ is in on the hoax; #7 TMZ gave us the first numerology clues (the 7’s), very shortly after MJ “died”; so we know that the numerology is part of the hoax (which leads right back to the start of the circle, #1).
And speaking of the unclaimed numerology reward: I could increase the reward up to 999 million dollars, but nobody would collect a penny—because the most advanced mathematician in the world can’t debunk it! You don’t have to be good at math personally; all you need to know is that no mathematician can debunk it.
What about DNA (even if it is handled under certain “chain of custody” requirements), do you need to be a lab technician to accept DNA evidence? Or could you accept the fact that lab technicians themselves are unable to refute certain DNA evidence?
Go ahead, take the $999 reward challenge; if you are not good at math, get a friend or math teacher to help you—and split the reward. You have nothing to lose (other than time). The phrase “You bET” in the title of that post was merely an expression (I realize that some who don’t know English as the first language might not recognize this expression); this expression (you bet) simply means “of course”! It was used primarily for the word “YET” (in all caps). It was not used to mean a gamble; you will not have to pay $999 if you take the challenge, but don’t succeed.
Finally, in all that I have said about the numerology, I am not just rattling off random numbers; I have backed it up with an almost ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR reward! And nobody has even come close to claiming it. Has any other hoaxer ever offered any such reward? As the saying goes: “put your money where your mouth is”—and I have done exactly that.
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5. Outthinking the Illuminati
I have never said that the whole company of Sony is in on the hoax. What I have said is that Michael planned this hoax for many years, and got a few key people in a few key positions. Some of what comes through Sony is part of MJ’s plan, but a lot of it is not.
And the statement by MJ, about outthinking Sony, is not being understood with the word “outthink” in mind. Yes, MJ did have some problems with Sony—especially TM, who is long gone. But was it really Sony that MJ was primarily talking about? Would stating in public and on video exactly who you are planning on outthinking, would that really qualify as outsmarting them—or would it be outstupiding them??
Do you really think that MJ was talking exclusively (or even primarily) about Sony, when he said that they have manipulated the “history books”? Or perhaps was MJ actually referring to outthinking the Illuminati, and using Sony as a bit of a diversion (although the Illuminati does have its fingers in every big pie, including Sony)?
The idea of the hoax being a cover up for murder has been discussed a lot, and recently it has been discussed in the context of TS possibly being part of this Sony and TMZ affiliated cover up. I have gone into the murder theory several times before, and won’t repeat all those things now. Of course the numerology is very strong against murder; but aside from that, I will make a couple of points here.
The family has already said they know who killed MJ, and “it’s all going to come out”. So if Sony, TMZ, and/or TS were involved in this murder plot—and the family has already figured it out—then continuing to promote the hoax concept would only make them look more and more guilty of trying to hide the murder. As soon as Sony, TMZ, and/or TS realized that the family was on to their tracks, they would distance themselves from the hoax theory as far and as fast as possible. Then why has that not happened???
Also, here is a very good point from jacilovesmichael: “If he was murdered, then those who murdered him [supposedly including TS] surely wouldn’t want to continue spreading the message [which is exactly what TS does] that he was murdered for.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15976&start=25#p271397}.
By the way: I have already said that I do not work for TMZ. I will now say that I do not work for Sony. Do you believe it? If so, then you have your answer; and if you don’t believe this answer, then there’s really no point in asking the question.
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6. Katherine and Randy
Speaking of the murder theory: many people have had their faith shaken lately—especially with Katherine crying in the Oprah interview, as well as some tweets from Randy. But again, if people would take the Elvis connection seriously: they would understand a lot more, and it would be much easier to “keep the faith”.
If you read the book by Elvis/Jesse (and Dr. Hinton), The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words (which I will abbreviate as TTAEAP): you will find repeated similar statements, such as this one—which is right up front in the introduction. “So many people have written or spoke about my death as a hoax. It was not a hoax! ... Elvis Presley did die that day.” The physical body lived on, yes; but the performer, the King of Rock, ceased to exist on 8-16-1977.
With MJ: his enemies really did kill the reputation, the image, the performer, the King of Pop—Michael Joseph Jackson. Therefore, the statements and emotions of the family are real—even though it is metaphorical murder, and not literal. Even the Bible uses death and murder in a metaphorical sense: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer[/u] ...” (1 John 3:15; see Luke 9:60; etc).
Katherine was crying on the Oprah interview; and it was real emotions and real tears, not just acting. She also said on that same interview, in the context of molestation charges and not the context of 6-25-2009: “I can’t talk about anything without crying ...” {4:31, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLy_-sCG76o}.
Also her biggest grief on June 25 was not when Murray told her that MJ was “gone” (to the airport). Instead, her major grief was when she had to take the children home with her; because at that point, MJ really was “gone”—and the children would not then be living with him or seeing him regularly {10:21, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLy_-sCG76o}.
But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
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7. Bahrain And Michael
One of the redirects included this statement: “It’s quite reasonable to think that one of the places MJ’s been hiding out in is Bahrain.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=15880#p268640}. Several questioned why I would redirect to this, and put MJ at risk.
First, let me repeat what I have said before: just because I redirect to something, it does not mean that I agree with every single word on the comment or webpage that is redirected; instead, look for the main points being said, not necessarily every detail. In this case, however, I did make sure to redirect to a post which had a very important detail in it: “ONE of the places MJ’s been hiding”.
Second, Bahrain could be a decoy. Third, whether or not it’s a decoy: TS is certainly not the only one who has given the Bahrain clue. It was also on the Jackson Reality Show, on the recent Oprah interview, and on TMZ. “Bahrain Company Didn’t Get Memo On MJ’s Death” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/19/michael-jackson-estate-creditors-claim-estate-bahrain-company-loan/}. As many noticed, this title had nothing to do with the article; the title was a clue that Bahrain didn’t know about MJ’s death, because they did know that he is not dead!
Elvis/Jesse has also listed several of his past hiding places—including Apopka, Florida; Tenino, Washington; and Hawaii, which is a paradise island (TTAEAP 28,38,40,48). Many rumors have circulated for years about Elvis living on some “paradise island”; well, he actually did! And of course, Bahrain is also a paradise island.
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8. God Can Protect
There was a fair amount of discussion recently regarding the Bible redirects—and whether they are spiritual messages for those who believe in God and the Bible, or hoax clues and hoax messages for those who don’t? The answer is: both! And it’s up to you whether to accept only one aspect of the Bible redirects, or both aspects.
I realize that there are many on this forum who are agonistic or atheist (don’t believe in God); and that is their choice—in fact, most if not all of us who do believe in God, we all recognize that God Himself gives everyone the freedom to choose whether or not to believe in Him (see Hebrews 11:6). So please don’t let what I say in this section (or anywhere else) be taken as disrespecting those who choose not to believe in God; I still respect you, even if I think that you have made the wrong choice.
However, for those of us who do believe in God—which includes Jesse/Elvis, Linda, Eliza, and of course MJ (as well as many on the hoax forums)—they all recognize that God is bigger and more powerful than all the people and all the money in the world combined! Therefore, if God wants the general public to know the truth about Elvis, and/or MJ: then nobody and nothing is going to stop it.
Furthermore, all who believe in God should also realize that He is fully capable of protecting both Elvis and MJ. And if MJ did not have a strong faith in God’s protection, he would’ve never planned any BAM at all. “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear ... He that feareth is not made perfect in love.” (1 John 4:18). Remember: It’s All For LOVE!
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
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9. “His Own Words”
There has been a lot of question and discussion lately about Linda Hood Sigmon, and whether she is a reliable informer for Elvis/Jesse. According to her: “Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case …” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
According to Eliza: “NEVER HAS MY BROTHER CONTACTED MYSELF VIA MAIL, PHONE OR EMAIL TO ASK, REQUEST OR ORDER ME TO DISCONTINUE AND/OR WITHDRAW FROM MY COURT CASE. NOT WHILE IT WAS FILED IN PROBATE COURT OR SINCE IT HAS BEEN FILED IN CHANCERY COURT. UNLESS OR UNTIL HE DOES, I SHALL CONTINUE TO ASSERT MY RIGHT TO DO SO.”
{http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2010/11/december-14-2010-130pm.html}.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Did you know that there was a similar situation between Linda and Dr. Hinton, regarding Jesse “coming out” in 2002? Both of them were in contact with Jesse, and both of them were informers; but Linda and Dr. Hinton did not agree on this aspect of the general public learning the truth about Jesse {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.
Also, notice this recent statement on Linda’s website: “He [Jesse] has mentioned coming to see me a few times and while he knows that he would be welcome, I have not encouraged it.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
The book by Dr. Hinton and Jesse, which I have already quoted from above, is titled: The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words! And many of the letters printed in this book, are also photocopied there in his own handwriting. So if we want the most accurate information about Jesse, this is it! This first quote which I will include from this book is about Jesse, but written by Dr. Hinton; while the other quotes, below the first one, were all written by Jesse himself (his own words).
Dr. Hinton said: “... they did not want him [Jesse] within five miles of Graceland, but he [Jesse] and one other person went up to his bedroom at Graceland late at night to get the cuff-links.” (TTAEAP 50).
Jesse: “The Graceland estate does not allow me to contact them personally, they are determined to keep the myth alive and don’t want me taking any chances. ... I can’t do a thing about it either. The Church of Scientology has something to do with it.” (TTAEAP 40,41).
Jesse: “You see I have everything taken care of except the fact that I am never given any cash whatsoever. When I do ask for cash, I am always given the third degree on what I need cash for. So you can see all the restrictions I have on me. People ... thought I was the same old Elvis handing out money ...” (TTAEAP 28; see 48).
Jesse: “I picked four (4) of us initially and to this day all have kept the secret. I also know when this book reaches the bookstores people (my loyal friends) will be heartbroken. They took care of me and convinced others that I was no longer alive.” (TTAEAP 31).
Jesse: “I have already been told through a source that Lisa Marie will cause problems if B.J.’s picture is shown.” (TTAEAP 63). And yet the picture of Jesse and Benjamin was included in Jesse’s book (on page 23).
Jesse: “I was told there was a survey that stated percentage wise that many people still thought I was alive! But as time went by I became more daring and went out [in public] with minimal disguises.” (TTAEAP 48).
Jesse: “As I get older I feel I must reveal more facts of my life as Jesse.” (TTAEAP 56).
Some may say that these statements by Jesse/Elvis were from about ten years ago, and perhaps things have changed since then. Yes, and I would also say that those who can read between the lines, think for themselves, and put themselves in Jesse’s shoes—they will probably be able to understand what has and has not changed in the last decade. Nuff said!
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10. Eliza’s Court Case
Many say that posts by TS are too long; and some people don’t even read them, because they are so long. Also, I was asked to keep this post short—and yet the same person complained that I left important information out of a previous post (update #6). It is possible to include more information, and it is also possible to keep the posts short; but it is not possible to do both. So what should I do: keep my posts short, and leave out important details? Or have long posts?
Anyway, the whole issue over DNA was not the result of intentionally misleading information from me or the attorney; I was merely trying to keep the post from being any longer than it was already. I did link to the blog by attorney Mayoras, giving more than half a dozen very strong reasons why the DNA was not falsified—even though the DNA did not qualify for the specific legalities that have been discussed {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}.
And by the way, the DNA itself is from real people—the laboratories do know this for sure; but the theoretical possibility here is that Eliza got the DNA from people other than Elvis and Presley relatives. However, even though this is a theoretical possibility, in this case it’s not a very realistic possibility.
Notice the following statements, which I made in update #6 (all of which would be pointless, if the DNA was already under the legally established protocol): “However, for the sake of keeping this fairly short, let’s stop here and notice some very clear reasons why Eliza’s story is not some elaborate fabrication. [P] If this was a big joke: it would be very easy for Graceland to disprove it (provide DNA); but they have not even tried. Also, Eliza did not set out to prove that Elvis is alive; instead, she set out to find her real father—and unexpectedly stumbled across amazing evidence that Vernon Presley was her real father (and therefore that Jesse/Elvis is her half brother). She is not asking for money, she only wants the public to know the truth; if she was trying to get tons of money, then that would probably raise questions about a possible motive for attempting a scam—but she is not.”
And even if Eliza was after money, now and/or in the future: there is no way that she could get any money from EPE—unless of course the DNA is valid! Surely if Eliza’s DNA sources were not valid (if they did not really come from Elvis and real Presley relatives): then EPE would come up with DNA (such as Lisa Marie’s) to disprove Eliza, rather than paying her megabucks! This evidence is common sense, think for yourself—even if this evidence does not have certain legal qualifications. Our forum here is for investigating all evidence, not merely evidences which abide by certain court regulations.
The attorney also made this same “common sense evidence”, as one of his strong points—which I will quote here: “Not to mention the fact that if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it’s not true ... unless, of course, it IS true.” {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}.
If Eliza’s DNA was all collected and shipped and handled under the specified legal criteria for chain of custody proof, etc: then there would be no need whatsoever for either the attorney or me to present these above arguments, in favor of Eliza’s DNA being genuine and not a scam. (By “Eliza’s DNA” here, I don’t mean merely her own personal DNA; I am talking about all the DNA tests and evidence that she has.)
And the same could be said of the discussions about possibly exhuming the graves of Vernon and/or Elvis. If Eliza’s DNA had been legally established, the court case would be settled without any need for any exhuming whatsoever. The very fact that this possibility was discussed (by Mayoras, and the TMZ redirect, etc) should have been an indicator that the current DNA evidence is lacking, at least in some manner.
It’s almost impossible to write a couple dozen long posts, and not be misunderstood several times. Here is one possible example: “the basis for a legal case which is already in court” (update #6); although I said “basis for a legal case”, I did not say the “legal basis”.
Without the DNA, Eliza most likely would not have the confidence to pursue the court case (and Eliza herself knows that she is being honest about the DNA, even if others do not). Therefore, the DNA is the basis for her choosing to go forward with legal case (even though the DNA is not the legal basis).
Also notice that in update #6, I never said the DNA was “legal” evidence which the court would accept. Instead, I used the phrase “scientific evidence”; and indeed, Eliza’s DNA evidence is scientific—regardless of legalities. I also used the term “strongest scientific proofs”; and by that, I did not mean it would be impossible for stronger proof to ever exist. Instead, I meant of all the evidences that have existed in the last 33 years about Elvis possibly being alive: these evidences are the strongest.
Notice also that I said “proofs” (plural); so I was not talking merely about the DNA. Other strong scientific evidences included the photograph, the lie detector test, and the graphology / Forensic Document Examiner {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16038&start=25#p272697}.
Actually, even the numerology is scientific evidence; it is based on math and statistics, which are very scientific. However, a court probably would not accept numerology evidence; and this again should show that scientific evidence and legal evidence are not always the same.
So does this all mean that Eliza’s court case will fall through the cracks, and be a waste of time for Eliza—as well as our own Elvis And MJ connections, etc? I am not the Judge (or Chancellor, in this case); but I can tell you that judges are not stupid—and most likely he will see the common sense evidence regarding the DNA, and understand that Eliza is being honest.
Actually, Linda has put more legal weight on the DNA evidence than I have ever done. “Once it became clear this month that the judge has refused to dismiss the case, after seeing the DNA results which revolve around my friend Jesse’s DNA … No judge would allow a case to proceed in this manner without substantiating proof … the court case will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Elvis is alive and is now Jesse.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
It is very likely that the Chancellor will not dismiss this case on December 14, merely because the methods of DNA collection/shipping do not match certain legal protocol, etc. Fortunately, we have only a couple of weeks to wait before we find out.
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11. Eleven Thirty
I have titled this post update #6.5 (not update #7), because this is primarily a continuation of update #6. And yes, it’s also because I said that update #7 will probably be after BAM. Does this mean that there will still be more updates and/or posts, before update #7 (6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.95, 6.96, 6.999, etc)? I won’t say absolutely no, but most likely not.
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
I will be watching, and if anyone wants to make a serious attempt at the $999 reward: I will certainly either respond to it or else send the money; but they must be serious calculations. Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again. If I have been wrong on anything, time will tell. And if I’ve been right, time will also tell—the truth will prevail.
Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it). But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point.
The hoax doesn’t rely only on TS anyway; as many have said, they believed in the hoax before TS ever posted anything. In fact, don’t you think there is good reason why I didn’t post any new thread—or even make a comment in an existing thread—until more than two months after the “death”? If I had posted immediately after 6-25-2009, then people could claim that TS is the reason for believing in the hoax; but it did not happen this way, for a good reason.
This update 6.5 (6 + 5 = 11) was posted at 11:30 PM (CA time), on 11-30 (November 30). Also, a few days ago TIAI redirected to a clock with the hands at 11:30 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16037}. What is the significance of this? As usual, the redirect had more than one meaning.
The Thriller album was released on 11-30 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)}; and Eliza’s case was previously scheduled for 11-30, although it is now rescheduled for 12-14 {http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696}.
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well I have to say first thing I see in the title is TIME DOUBTS!! Now to go read this long post!
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Thank you TS (again) God bless you, now I'm gonna read you post 8-)
With L.O.V.E. :D
TIME DOUBTS ??
Day 11/30 Time 11:30 TS you are Great !!!
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At last....some calm in the storm. Also, I'm loving the update #6.5 (as opposed to #7 which will probably not be before BAMsday) and DOUBTS!!! TS, I love you. :D
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At last....some calm in the storm. Also, I'm loving the update #6.5 (as opposed to #7 which will probably not be before BAMsday) and DOUBTS!!! TS, I love you. :D
YES, ME 2！
Thank you, TS! I'm reading.
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NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you. :D
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ok, I just finished reading,
hopefully people find the answeres they were looking for after reading..
I dont really know if this was necessary, I know I HATE repeating myself..
I'm actually disapointed that we wont get daily redirects, it seemed to be a big part of the adventure
well, its late here and I probably missed some things while reading since im so sleepy, but I will reread 2moro and comment!
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What exactly is the BAM, does BAM stand for anything?
Like TS said:
This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months. Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
Is this supposed to be significant (meaning having so much info coming, does that show we are getting closer to the BAM?)
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Thanks TS, I just finished reading and now I need to go to bed it's 12:21 here!! Looking forward to everyones comments on this one! One thing that sticks in my memory right now is the words "The Source"!! :P
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Very interesting read. The fact that the content captured my attention made it an easy read and as for the length, well I would say that it was not a problem, in fact after I finished reading I felt satisfied, for now. Of course, you always want to leave them wanting more, and I do. Side note, Iam watching Stevie Wonder on Larry King, speaking of MJ. God how this man (MJ) is loved.
-- Thank you TS.... till next time. Godspeed. 8-)
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TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
Notice how the TIai...has only the first two letters in capital, and then we have the DOUBle in lower and upper case.
TI .........DOUB ?????
And thankyou TS...Its all for L.O.V.E xoxo...
You know we will be here with you all the way. We are the ARMY OF LOVE..god bless you xoxo
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TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
Notice how the TIai...has only the first two letters in capital, and then we have the DOUBle in lower and upper case.
LI .........DOUB ?????
And thankyou TS...Its all for L.O.V.E xoxo...
You know we will be here with you all the way. We are the ARMY OF LOVE..god bless you xoxo
I think is more than that
TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
TIME DOUBTS
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yes november was one heck of a month :lol:
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TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
Notice how the TIai...has only the first two letters in capital, and then we have the DOUBle in lower and upper case.
LI .........DOUB ?????
And thankyou TS...Its all for L.O.V.E xoxo...
You know we will be here with you all the way. We are the ARMY OF LOVE..god bless you xoxo
I think is more than that
TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS??
TIME DOUBTS
Oh, now I see that...many thanks. Good on you..!!!! God bless you xoxo
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Time Doubts....hmmmmmm ...
Timing has always been vital.
Brilliant .... till next time....... 8-)
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TS, thank you so much for this post. Although there is not much new info in here for me, it might help others to rethink their recent actions and accusations. Common sense is a very important factor in this story, without it it's hard to understand any of it.
I had to laugh a few times as well, I like reading between the lines and I do like your way of saying the things in the way you do.
I hope you will rethink the redirects, because there are still many people who appreciate it a lot, I am one of them.
Thanks again, I would give you a big kiss if I could, please take this virtual one instead.
(http://members.home.nl/danabr/email/kiss.gif)
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Doubts? Never.... Its all for LOVE
I had the most wonderful dream last night that mj came back and i was finally allowed to say, " i told you so!" to everyone...it was kind of a bummer to wake from that dream :( but either way, i've been here gor almost 18months and i'm not leaving anytime soon <3
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I, for one, don't mind long posts.
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No doubts.
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Make the posts as long as you need to TS. If there's information that needs to be known then tell us in as much detail as needed because the one's who think it's too long obviously don't care enough about the importance of the information, so tough titties :lol: I don't mind it being long because it creates an intruiging read. Thanks for this post, it's always great to hear from you. Never mind the doubters, you have a whole Army of L.O.V.E working with you who really appreciate what you offer. Blessings.
L.O.V.E
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Hi TS!!! I read the post and... I'm going to let it sit in my brain overnight before I comment.
However, being totally transparent and honest, I am feeling a little sad. :cry:
I'm trying to figure out why.... was it the long post? No ;) I quite enjoy the posts, at any length.
Maybe it's because I probably wont get to enjoy the daily redirects... maybe it's a sense of loss.
Maybe it's because you spoke of 4 years and being half way and I realized that this may go on for another 2 years and... *sigh* I just... I just want to know MJ is ok... from his own lips.
Maybe I was hoping for something new and I didn't read anything new.... I hope I missed something.
Anyway, TS, as TIME goes on, I guess DOUBTS creep in. However, I have seen too much, I have researched too much, and I love what MJ and all involved have done for us too much, to walk away. Just know that I'm committed to this journey, even if we are only half way.... I look forward to saying "I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:" 2 Timothy 4:7 Much L.O.V.E., and prayers, and blessings your way, TS!
And to my fellow hoaxers, my comrades, the soldiers in the Army of L.O.V.E. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Gal 6:9 Goodnight MJDHI.... I love you guys!
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I hope you're watching this thread, as I'd like to thank you very, very, very much. I know lately there has been talk about your credibility, and it saddens me you've decided to stop the daily redirects. I'm not going to complain to you, as I'm just grateful for the information you've provided us thus far. Please know that the daily redirects were a guide to me. Believing isn't always easy (as we've seen people lose faith, get upset, blame others, blame you, etc). The redirects gave us a sense of hope, clarity, even calmness. I'll miss it, but I'm thankful for what has been given. Perhaps now, people won't take you for granted.
As for this post, not a lot of "new" information per say, but boy oh boy! The information is there!
With MJ: his enemies really did kill the reputation, the image, the performer, the King of Pop—Michael Joseph Jackson. Therefore, the statements and emotions of the family are real—even though it is metaphorical murder, and not literal. Even the Bible uses death and murder in a metaphorical sense: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer ...” (1 John 3:15; see Luke 9:60; etc).
-Here's the question I pose: Joseph vs. Joe? Which do we go with? TS writes Joseph, while many of us have argued Joe. Is this a "test?" Just because TS says it, do we believe it? Opinions?
Second, Bahrain could be a decoy. Third, whether or not it’s a decoy: TS is certainly not the only one who has given the Bahrain clue. It was also on the Jackson Reality Show, on the recent Oprah interview, and on TMZ. “Bahrain Company Didn’t Get Memo On MJ’s Death” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/19/michael-jackson-estate-creditors-claim-estate-bahrain-company-loan/}. As many noticed, this title had nothing to do with the article; the title was a clue that Bahrain didn’t know about MJ’s death, because they did know that he is not dead!
-Michael's been traveling!
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
-I've got an idea. It's been brewing since the beginning of the Updates (I've read all of them). There are subtle hints people. Subtle, but there.
Oh and TS, this gal thinks you're awesome. Your posts could take up the entire length of my computer screen in extra small font. Don't you worry. I'll pull out a magnifying glass and read every last word. I appreciate your work, and I look forward to hearing from you again (whenever that may be). Until then, God Bless You and sending out MAJOR love your way!
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so tough titties :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I know you won't answer my question, but TS, are you Elvis Presley.???? :?: :?: :?: 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Thank you TS for the latest update. :P
I have no doubts, and have HUGE FAITH, that the truth will prevail.
Do you really think that MJ was talking exclusively (or even primarily) about Sony, when he said that they have manipulated the “history books”? Or perhaps was MJ actually referring to outthinking the Illuminati, and using Sony as a bit of a diversion (although the Illuminati does have its fingers in every big pie, including Sony)?
Right from the outset, my personal investigations lead me to NWO and Illuminati connections, and that is what I have always believed was behind all of this, way before your original post on the old MJHD, but back in those days we were not able to post about NWO or Illuminati on MJHD the threads would be deleated. Always found that to be very strange. That lead me to this forum (old MJKIT original). so that was a positive :)
In your Elvis explanation you mention
"]Jesse: “The Graceland estate does not allow me to contact them personally, they are determined to keep the myth alive and don’t want me taking any chances. ... I can’t do a thing about it either. The Church of Scientology has something to do with it.” (TTAEAP 40,41).[/b"
From this quote, are we to take it that the Church of Scientology has taken over Elvis Estate from Lisa and her mother, from what research I have done on Scientology they take control of assets of members :shock: I do know the Presely Estate was "sold off" to some company who now run the Estate, Scientology is Creapy! Which leaves me to ponder is there connection between Church of Scientology and Illuminatti? :?
Thanks again TS you have given me more to think about.
Blessing to all.
L.O.V.E.
:)
edit sorry this post went a bit weird where I highlighted TS post :oops:
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Your posts are amazing, please do them exactly how you wish , long - short...i like them ! I would love to find out soon who you are 8-) God Bless You and thank you .
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Probably shouldn't be posting this here, but I thought it is relevant to a suggestion that "Church of Scientology and the illuminati" are connected as was suggested...I found this site:
http://theilluminatiwatch.com/tag/churc ... ientology/ (http://theilluminatiwatch.com/tag/church-of-scientology/)
This is the single most complete and well researched work in the field of mind control and Monarch Programming. Illuminati Formula provides an in-depth (and disturbing) look at the hidden world of mind control with mind-boggling detail. Although some parts might sound “preachy” and overtly christian, the factual background of the thesis remains undisputable. A must for those who want to understand the hidden force ruling this world.
“There are many dangers to the human race, some real and some imagined. I believe that the trauma-based mind control which this
book exposes is the greatest danger to the human race. It gives evil men the power to carry out any evil deed totally undetected. By the
time the astute reader finishes this book, they will be as familiar with how to carry out trauma-based mind-control as some of the
programmers. Ancient and more recent secrets will no longer be secrets. Over the years, I have spent thousands of hours studying the
Illuminati, the Intelligence agencies of the world, and the occult world in general. The centerpiece of these organizations is the trauma-based
mind control that they carry out. Without the ability to carry out this sophisticated type of mind-control using MPD, drugs, hypnosis and
electronics and other control methodologies, these organizations would fail to keep their dark evil deeds secret. When one of the mindcontrol programmers of the Church of Scientology, who has left Scientology, was asked about MPD, he said, “It’s the name of the game of mind control.” Research into this subject will never be complete. This book has tried to give a comprehensive view of how the programming is done. The basic techniques were developed in German, Scottish, Italian, and English Illuminati families and have been done for centuries. Some report that some of the techniques go back to ancient Egypt and ancient Babylon to the ancient mystery religions.”
The 12 Major Sciences of Monarch Mind Control
I. The Selection & Preparation of the Victim
A. Genetics & dissociative abilities
B. Availability
C. Physical & Mental requirements
D. List of organizations carrying out programming
E. 4 foundational steps for programming
F. Step 1. Spiritual requirements, Moon Child ceremonies, traumatization in vitro
G. Step 2. Trauma by premature birth
H. Step 3. Love bombing/love bonding
I. Step 4. Severing the “core” of the mind
J. Further considerations
II. The Traumatization & Torture of the Victim
A. A site for torture of children, NOTS China Lake
B. What trauma does, the creation of PTSD & DID (MPD)
C. How the torture is carried out, types of trauma
D. How MPD works
E. The Core
F. The Anchoring Experience
III. The Use of Drugs
A. A list of drugs used
B. A brief history of use
C. Applications for drugs to control a slave
IV. The Use of Hypnosis
A. Dissociation, trance, & its historical use
B. How to program with hypnosis
C. How to boost creativity of victim with hypnosis
D. Keeping the mind dissociative
E. Keeping the mind in a programming state
F. Hypnotic triggers & cues
G. Hypnosis in programs & other uses
V. The Skill of Lying, The Art of Deceit
A. Overview
B. The use of fiction
C. The use of lies externally, incl. covers and fronts
D. The use of internal deceptions, incl. the art of hiding things in a system
VI. The Use of Electricity & Electronics
A. For torture
B. For memory deletion
C. For implanting thoughts
D. Electronic communication & control
VII. Engineering & Structuring Of An MPD System
A. Structuring of MPD worlds
B. The creation of roles
C. Building in layered defenses
D. Building backup systems
VIII. Body Manipulation & Programming
A. Scarring the brain stem
B. Split brain work
C. Medical technologies
D. Histamines
E. The use of body programs
IX. Mind Manipulation by Psychological Programming
Methods: Behavior Modification, Psychological Motivation & NLP
A. Observing a satanic family conditioning their children
B. Behavior modification, obedience training
C. Isolation
D. Repetition
E. Psychological motivators, md. pride/needs/wants
F. Neuro-linguistic programming
G. The inversion of pain & pleasure
X. Spiritual Control Techniques, Possession, Trances, Etc.
A. Using spiritual principles against a person
B. How the Monarch program miniturizes what is done on a large scale
C. Dehumanization
D. Fear
E. The use of guilt, shame, ridicule & anger
F. Teaching that the master is God
G. Portals, Focal Points
H. Vows & oaths
I. The use of demon possession, layering in, etc.
J. The use of “angel” alters
K. The misuse of Scripture
L. Theta programming
XI. Internal Controls
A. Teaching occult philosophies & ideologies
B. Internal computers
C. Internal hierarchies
XII. External Control
A. Monitoring (Asset control)
B. The art of blackmail
C. Bribes
D. The Control of the Milieu E. Bonding & twinning
F. Peer pressure
Appendix I: The Programmers
The Antichrist: The Chief Handler/Programmer
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Thankyou TS :D
Long posts don't bother me in the least. The longer the better for me.
The last few weeks I have been re-reading your Updates and posts again and I still have no doubts. I'm going to miss your daily redirects and I hope you reconsider, but of course I respect your decision. I've been reading your redirects and Updates since they began last year and they have opened my eyes to so much in this world and made me research and look into things which I have not before.
Thank you for all the hard work, thought, care, research, explanation, time, patience and love you have put into your redirects and Updates.
I do love the little "hints" and "read between the lines" in your posts.....I doubt I have picked up on them all ....but think I've done OK the past year
.........recalling Lynyrd Skynyrd now for some reason ;) 8-) :(
Lots of Love to you TS...The Source...The Sign :D
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Always worth to read these long posts, :lol:
Thank you for the details,TS.
Keep the Faith with patience.
"Things will go better...."
I LOVE YOU ALL & GOD BLESS :)
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Thank you TS, I'm gonna read it, with the snow falling down from the sky...
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7. Bahrain And Michael. Coincidence?
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Anyone else got a headache after this and need Zanex?..
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Glad you posted, TS. :) Things have indeed been quieter the last few months and i have to admit it was a good rest, though I'm not sure if MJ planned it for this purpose, in any case I'm grateful. Even though there are less people posting (including me), i'm sure many still check for the TIAI redirects and any MJ-related news or updates. We're watching and we'll be here when you need us. Take care TS, I hope your next post won't be long!
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Well TS I think that you nailed it. I wanted to thank you for point 8 it means so much for me and I really believe that Michael is helped by God Almighty in this adventure and to know that is the main reason why I feel so "involved" in this. I will never lose faith God willing. You said it so well God is the Best Protector. Whatever Michael chooses to do, no matter where he is, there is abolutely nothing that can prevent him from accomplishing his mission, absolutely nothing! Nobody has ever taken control over the world no matter how hard they have tried....
God bless you always.
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Thanks so much TS!
Believe in GOD, Believe in L.O.V.E. :)
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TS, "so there' really s no point". Was thata clu e or atypo.
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When T.S said that they aren't working with TMZ than how comes in one of the TMZ stories about Heidi and Spencer it said Scared yet? and in T.S's "Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET" post the capital letters also say SCARED YET?
With this bit do you think its the same with MJ that there are so many similarities with the MJ and Elvis hoax.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
Maybe KJ wasn't told but she might know about MJ's death hoax. So maybe KJ will be told after 3 years, I only say this because of the similarities with Elvis.
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Thank u TS, lots of blessings from Peru. Actually i think im the only one here in my country who really feels and thinks that MJ is alive.... the other ones just doesnt..thats sad...and im also the only one here in my counmtry who follows thisisalsoit dot com.... im glad i do...believe it or not, before i started to be into MJ's music, i felt the need to change the world and ppls mind...after following MJ my conviction is stronger.. i think MJ is the chosen one from God, if im wrong i apologize, God hehe...L.o.v.e.
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My heartfelt thanks to you TS for this update. I really believe it has helped "clear the air" to some of the questions that have been brought up again recently.
I have always believed in my heart that Michael is alive and I have also come to realize that Elvis lives too, although their reasons for faking their death are very different. Just because Elvis hasn't returned for over 33 years now doesn't mean that Michael won't, nor does it mean that Elvis (Jesse) will always stay hidden although it's understandable if he does.
I believe your role is vital to this hoax and I appreciate that you've been re-directing for over a year now and that you waited so that a lot of us could realize on our own that MJ hoaxed his death before TIAI came along. Thinking for ourselves is key but it certainly doesn't hurt to be nudged in the right direction.
And yes, I definitely did notice that things got a bit crazy in November - piece by piece more is being revealed - as promised. I am keeping the faith and have been for 17 months now. This is truly the greatest hoax/adventure and I'm glad to be a part of it and knowing that it's all for love. Michael's mission is so important and it won't be long before the whole world realizes that for themselves. God bless everyone.
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7. Bahrain And Michael. Coincidence?
12.1.2010 = 1+2+1+2+1=7 Another coincidence? :lol:
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Thanks girl(s)
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What a mind blowing post this is TS! WoW! I had LOTS of things to write to you but now I remember any of them! When I was reading your post, I found many new shocking things but now I remember any of them. This must be your magic. It’s like you show it all but suddenly you take it all back. And you don’t make it yourself and on purpose but let our brains to play the game with us. I have to re-read the post over and over again to make up my mind. It is not because your posts are complicated, it is because you give so much information and explain them all in details for us to understand and it is because of an overload to our brains. Am I complaining about this? How can I? That would make me such an ungrateful person. But on the contrary I have no idea about how I can thank you enough for the things you helped me to understand, and for the things you taught me. Some people ask me what you taught us during the past year and my answer to them is; thanks to TS I learned so many things in this past year which I couldn’t learn during my life time, until last year.
With this post of yours, there shouldn’t be any questions left in people’s minds IF they didn’t close their minds to the truth itself which screams so loudly in your posts, and IF they don’t have any prejudice against you and IF their intention is NOT to oppose you to oppose something only. Everything is so open and clear as the beautiful sunlight. And it depends on people to see the beatiful view or the dark clouds.
Now I have to land on earth first before I go and read your post once more because I’m flying so high at the moment with the magic of your post. Within the harmony of these feelings and rave, I was about to forget the fact that you’re not going to make daily redirects which saddened me a lot. I do appreciate your decisions but still I would love to encourage you to think about this desicion once more since there are so many people that you light up and lead to think through the right direction. Otherwise we could be lost within many clues and issues going on. I’m not asking you to spoonfeed us but to lead us to the right direction has been the best for us and that’s what we still need.
Other than these, I don’t like to write “yeah I knew it, I knew TS was legit” or “I’d already known the things TS wrote” kind of things. But I want to write that, I LEARN more and more with your every new post! And I’m so grateful for this. I wish I had an idea how I can thank you more because I feel I owe you a lot. The words are never enough but it seems like it is all I can do for now, so THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU TS! Thank God that we have you. God bless you TS, and God bless Michael that he sent you to us and GOD BLESS MICHAEL, THE KING, THE LEADER, THE COMMANDER OF ARMY OF L.O.V.E!
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Thank u TS, lots of blessings from Peru. Actually i think im the only one here in my country who really feels and thinks that MJ is alive.... the other ones just doesnt..thats sad...and im also the only one here in my counmtry who follows thisisalsoit dot com.... im glad i do...believe it or not, before i started to be into MJ's music, i felt the need to change the world and ppls mind...after following MJ my conviction is stronger.. i think MJ is the chosen one from God, if im wrong i apologize, God hehe...L.o.v.e.
Hello there g32,
How great to see people from all over the world come together on this forum. Michael has an amazing magic to gather people. And it doesn't matter where you are coming from but it matter where you are going through! And with the leader we have, we are all going to the same direction and on his command we will begin! We will make that change all together; for ourselves, for the next generations, for the world, for the universe, for the LOVE!
Greetings from Turkey. :)
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With MJ: his enemies really did kill the reputation, the image, the performer, the King of Pop—Michael Joseph Jackson. Therefore, the statements and emotions of the family are real—even though it is metaphorical murder, and not literal. Even the Bible uses death and murder in a metaphorical sense: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer ...” (1 John 3:15; see Luke 9:60; etc).
-Here's the question I pose: Joseph vs. Joe? Which do we go with? TS writes Joseph, while many of us have argued Joe. Is this a "test?" Just because TS says it, do we believe it? Opinions?
I will try to reply your question with my own opinion. Michael Joseph Jackson was the King of Pop only. The musician, the artist. But he was "murdered" by his enemies on the 25th! We still have Michael JOE Jackson who is NOT only the musician but also the GREATEST ENTERTAINER in the world, the film maker, the producer, the businessman, the genius, the magician, the wake up caller for the world, the leader, the commander of Army of Love! MEET THE MAN YOU'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE! MEET THE MAN YOU'VE NEVER KNOWN BEFORE! ;)
I hope I could help you to get what it could mean. This is how I get it. :)
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Aww, I was mentioned in this one! I love when that happens :D
Thanks TS. Nothing really new was presented, but that doesn't mean it wasn't needed. Some things I realized already and some things I didn't, sometimes it's nice to have it pointed out. Although I have learned to look at things much differently and to find things on my own.
The most helpful part of this post, in my opinion, was the information/insight on Elvis. I never thought before that maybe he purposely told Linda he doesn't support the case, while still not objecting to Eliza. That is because he probably does want the truth to come out (otherwise, why would he have written that book?) but simply doesn't want to be found and put in danger. This makes a lot of sense. Like TS said...Elvis/Jesse is getting older and probably really does want to "BAM", but doesn't want that to change his current way of life. I try to put myself in his shoes. If it were me, I would want the whole world to know. But I certainly wouldn't want to be put back in the limelight as an old man when people would be expecting the king of rock and roll. I would want the truth to be known, but still live my life out in peace. Perhaps that is why he waited until he was an older man to write the book, he knows he's not going to live forever so if he wants the truth to be told, he better tell it now - that kind of thing.
Also an interesting point that TS made, is that in his book, Jesse talks about how his own father didn't know about the "hoax". His own dad didn't know! Now that doesn't automatically mean that Michael's mother doesn't know, but I do think it's safe to say that if MJ faked his death then the ENTIRE family could not possibly be allowed to be "in on it". That would be much too risky. Again, I try to put myself in MJ's shoes. If I were to fake my death, who would I tell? And the answer is easy - not very many people! I personally might not even tell my own mother. Actually, my mom is great at keeping secrets, so I probably would tell her. But I for SURE would not tell many others. Take my grandmother for instance - love her to death but she is TERRIBLE at keeping secrets. Even though I love her and know that my "death" would hurt her more deeply than I probably even know, I still would not be able to trust her with my secret. So I can totally understand the notion that maybe some of the family members do not know a thing. OR, I bet many of them were not told anything but have figured some of it out on their own based on investigation and speculation JUST LIKE US.
I am a little sad about the redirects as well, but for selfish reasons. It helps me wake up in a good mood, because I am excited to see what the redirect will be. I'm sure many can relate to my redirect addiction :lol: But in all seriousness, I think it may be a good sign that the redirects will be stopping. To me that says that there is more going on behind the scenes, something is brewing, and we're getting closer to the end... or the beginning I should say ;)
Thanks again TS! I truly hope those who haven't yet will take the time to read all of your posts before deciding you are fake. I am going to re-read this one (taking MJ's strong advice, and thinking (reading) twice :lol: ) And after that I will try to still my mind and keep watching. I believe often in life we miss very important things from others and from God because we are so busy trying to figure things out. So maybe once our hearts are calm and ready for what's to come....it will come.
Be still, and know that I am God Psalm 46:10
And for those who don't believe in God, you can replace "God" with "Love" because God IS Love, and I bet those who don't believe in God, DO believe in Love. So let's be still and know that it's all for Love and and know that Love makes all things possible.
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TS, "so there' really s no point". Was thata clu e or atypo.
LOL
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7. Bahrain And Michael. Coincidence?
Nice catch Sarahli! :D
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TS:
"Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!"
AMEN...
I agree with everything you posted. You have nothing to prove to me; what ever happens, don't let go of my hand...I'm here for the long run. ;) God is in the bigger picture. I just want to Thank You for everything TS. I enjoy your re-directs and will miss them; esp the Bible verses, they have ministered to my heart on more than one occasion. :cry:
I get it; 30 minutes to Midnight.
Along those lines I found the lyrics to this song interesting:
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TS...
May the Lord Bless you & keep you
The LORD make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
The LORD lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace.
Love you more... :)
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Thankyou TS. You surely are The Source. According to the scriptures, our words have the ability to create life or death, and in keeping with this thought, I want to say that I am sorry for anything that may have wounded you on this forum. I shall truly miss your redirects.
How hard it must have been for Elvis to see so little of his lovely daughter as she was growing up. I find this thought quite heartbreaking. The reference from Dr Hinton's book about scientology and the EPE makes me curious as to how Jesse feels about his daughter's involvement in such an organision, oh heck, lets call it as it is--cult. Perhaps this is another component of it being all for L.O.V.E. What parent would not do whatever it takes for their child?
Doubts? No. If God be for us, who can be against us? Sending love and peace to you and your family TS, and I hope it isn't too long till we hear from you again.
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THANK YOU, TS. YOUR POST, AS ALWAYS, IS APPRECIATED.
This can be for everyone.
Matthew 17:20 - He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth,
If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this
mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing
will be impossible for you.
LOVE Always♥
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Dear TS, I am sure that most of are very grateful for this update that is meant to reassure us and remind us that we need to be prepared for what is yet to come. I must admit, I am a bit SCARED, but thank you for also reminding us about the message of LOVE and to keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
By the way:
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
I think a few of us have felt your prescence sometimes, even in disguise. ;) THANK YOU and do I beLIEve ? YepYep :lol:
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Amen!!! TIME DOUBTS? But I'll keep the faith!
So excited! Thanks for my birthday gift, TS <3
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I dont care who TS is because i love him/her/he/she endlessly for keeping the faith and hanging here with us to keep the L.O.V.E ALIVE. Thank you so much TS. Biggest hugs ever to you.
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Some have thought that my “return” and “bam” predictions were for the purpose of testing people.
TS or Michael ..
I personally never said that the parallelism of Elvis and MJ is a scam.
1. Outline
1. Outline
2. Truth Will Prevail
3. Most Recent Predictions
4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
6. Katherine and Randy
7. Bahrain And Michael
8. God Can Protect
9. “His Own Words”
10. Eliza’s Court Case
11. Eleven Thirty
Regarding the scheme, I have no objection whatsoever to the case exepcion Eliza, I do not doubt that the DNA submitted by Eliza is true, and my objection is to the legal sphere, the chain of custody is not fulfilled, the laws are a set of written rules and rights that should give rise to liability, the scientific evidence may cause the judge in the case of Eliza makes a personal interpretation, according to their beliefs or values, in a subjective way, the objective would be to check this for the majority and not a minority, it might not be more fair value that each person has different values, something is not just being a law, should be a law that is fair.
When I speak of double BAM said it would be the success that would have Eliza in court, but it's my view now I think is going to be tricky, however we must wait and see what happens, I am not lawyer not pretend to be.
Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again.
paula-c wrote:
TS wrote :In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
In this respect, indeed, my apologies for having asked for an explanation.
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Thank you TS.
What a wonderful way to start the day. Always love coming to check for your daily updates. (I’m saddens me that they will no longer be here for my morning coffee) But you have your reasons.
Big HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
To you and Michael
Love You More :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Finally i decided to read the posts of TS :) english isnt my native language and i thought its so difficult to understand all of it ....today i decided to take a seat and i read it all what is been posted today :o and i am glad i did ;) its very interesting ...i have to re read it to understand it completely ..
i do BELIEVE in the HOAX since day 1 and nomatter what i will keep on doing that till Michael is back... :D
Thanks TS..
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Many say that posts by TS are too long; and some people don’t even read them, because they are so long. Also, I was asked to keep this post short—and yet the same person complained that I left important information out of a previous post (update #6). It is possible to include more information, and it is also possible to keep the posts short; but it is not possible to do both. So what should I do: keep my posts short, and leave out important details? Or have long posts?
TS , please don't think that I think your posts are too long! I never meant that, they are long, but I'm fine with that. Some people may not be, but please include as many details as you possibly can, do not leave anything out! If some people think that your posts are too long, then they should perhaps take breaks while reading them. I'm fine with the length of them, I hope you know this. ;)
But thank you SO SO much TS for this post!!!! God Bless you!! (http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0031.gif)(http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0031.gif)(http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0031.gif)(http://serve.mysmiley.net/love/love0031.gif)
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Thank you TS for this as usual great update! So many concerns with many answers, but so many more questions that open up for our enjoyment/investigation/discussion all while you stay and watch. You are a true friend to us! Already such interesting things people have noticed, a few that I had noted too. Sarahli, don't know how serious you were, but thoughts of Elvis have crossed my mind, but Michael is a better fit somehow. 8-) My sixth sense. :lol:
TS
...they all recognize that God is bigger and more powerful than all the people and all the money in the world combined! Therefore, if God wants the general public to know the truth about Elvis, and/or MJ: then nobody and nothing is going to stop it.
Furthermore, all who believe in God should also realize that He is fully capable of protecting both Elvis and MJ. And if MJ did not have a strong faith in God’s protection, he would’ve never planned any BAM at all. “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear ... He that feareth is not made perfect in love.” (1 John 4:18). Remember: It’s All For LOVE!
Jacilovesmichael
Be still, and know that I am God Psalm 46:10
And for those who don't believe in God, you can replace "God" with "Love" because God IS Love, and I bet those who don't believe in God, DO believe in Love. So let's be still and know that it's all for Love and and know that Love makes all things possible.
I fully believe this is a God-thing happening. This is what makes me feel at peace as things progress. Either --it's all a part of the plan--kinda a thing, or if God's not involved everything will unravel and disintigrate because it's Satan/illuminati that want him out/destroyed. One of the things I love about Michael is that he is so completely fearless, and yet is pure love. About no future redirects :( , TS said that he still can if he wants to. So I'm looking forward to whatever happens, TS!
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A well schematic presentation.
I must admit that after reading about the amount offered for opposing the numerology used in this hoax, I wondered if the person behind the answers of the post is a mathematician, a very experienced one, or if behind is a good team of mathematicians.
Also, it came in to my mind that may be people like me, who can´t put 2+2 together, are being totally fooled :D
However, numerology seems to be working right in this case.
Thanks for the answers that needed attention, TS.
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By the way:
If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
I think a few of us have felt your prescence sometimes, even in disguise. ;) THANK YOU and do I beLIEve ? YepYep :lol:
If I signed up with various usernames
I understood that as a hypothesis :?
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In a way an external visible disguise is similar to writing style disguises, and why can't Michael be master at both. Michael is well-read, but also I'm thinking that with MJ, all his life experiences of technical aspects of recording, legal aspects of his companies, many depositions and court times, etc., studying Elvis' numerology and much more, have amply prepared him math-wise. He has said that he studied the masters, and surrounds himself with masters in their fields. Earlier I had said TS was a mathematician with Michael standing at his shoulder, but maybe it's the other way around. :D He needs the mathematician to verify that he won't have to pay out any big bucks.
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For 999 millions? :D On my way to Helsinki :D
3%, even if is little, it´s part of the equation and it can fit as well.
Reflecting about some points of the posts I wonder what will be more "shocking";
MJ´s come back or Elvis/ Jesse´s come back?
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wow...this post is gooddd
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By the way:
If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
I think a few of us have felt your prescence sometimes, even in disguise. ;) THANK YOU and do I beLIEve ? YepYep :lol:
If I signed up with various usernames
I understood that as a hypothesis :?
Yes, @Gema of course this is an "If" and therefore, an hypothesis, thank you.
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Where are the TS opposers?
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Where are the TS opposers?
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Where are the TS opposers?
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Where are the TS opposers?
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Another Great Post TS --- THANK YOU
I felt this update had a more direct, personal, emotional style than previous ones, it may be that I am getting used to TS style but I felt something different... Just to take a few examples:
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help.
But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point.
Some may say that these statements by Jesse/Elvis were from about ten years ago, and perhaps things have changed since then. Yes, and I would also say that those who can read between the lines, think for themselves, and put themselves in Jesse’s shoes—they will probably be able to understand what has and has not changed in the last decade. Nuff said!
So please don’t let what I say in this section (or anywhere else) be taken as disrespecting those who choose not to believe in God; I still respect you, even if I think that you have made the wrong choice.
But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
Also a couple of specific comments:
1. "Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?"
I have personally felt more energy in the forum since early November. The release of Breaking News was some sort of trigger point for a busy week of news and confusion. The last two weeks have seen more debates challenging accepted evidences and facts, be it the Eliza case or TS authenticity and I also noticed a slight increase in new members and more users on line, at least guests.
And outside of the forum, there is definitely a lot more activity at the moment than there has been for a long time, the Oprah shows, active tweets from the like of Teddy Riley, album releases, family moving home, frequent TMZ updates, eliza court case...etc. It is like the show is picking up pace for all to see!
2. God Can Protect
I do have no doubts that God is playing his part in all of this... and it is a very humbling experience!
3. Eliza & Elvis
The facts presented in this update are consistent with the facts stated in update 6; I was then sceptical but optimistic that it could be true.
Today? I remain hopeful that the court proceeding on the 14th December will bring some positive news. I really hope it does!
Thank you again TS... It is all for Love!
With L.O.V.E
PS: TS...you know, with all the ID fraud taking place nowadays, you better keep your identity secret as we will end up with plenty of TS doubles everywhere and... and this will be really confusing... ;)
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Another Great Post TS --- THANK YOU
I felt this update had a more direct, personal, emotional style than previous ones,
I so agree, I got the feeling TS is a woman, lol
because of the more emptioal style, I always felt it was a guy because of the more direct and rational and ... I dunno
I think it could be because it wasnt planned and TS felt the need to explain himself..
I also got the feeling that he was hurt by what has been said about him
or maybe its because like you said we all got used to each other at this point of the journey and TS also feels the same way... dunno but I hope all is well in hoaxland,
Im still waiting for the haters,
did they get the answers they were looking for?
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Where are the TS opposers?
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Thanks TS for yet another insightful post. I held off from commenting on it because it was late when I first read it and just didn't get a 'good' feeling from it. I reread it several times today to see if perhaps I was just tired last night. Out of all of TS' posts so far, this is the only one that left me feeling...sad.
A few others have touched on this as well, so I know I'm not the only one who sensed a difference in this post. At first I thought I was feeling sadness over the fact that TS stated the redirects would stop. And, yes, that is disappointing since we all look forward to them. But the feeling I got was so much more than the sadness of knowing I wouldn't be able to wake up to a new redirect each day. I think we hurt TS...and when I say 'we', I certainly don't mean any one person. My sadness in reading the post was due to the sadness that permeated everything TS wrote.
Maybe I'm way off or maybe I misread it somehow...but each time I read it, I get this sense that TS was writing from a place of sadness, or disappointment, or frustration....or deflation. Perhaps the repeated baseless accusations did affect him over time...how could they not? Given that he stated he doesn't respond with knee-jerk reactions, the message he wanted to get across in this post has most likely been brewing for awhile. In it, he once again commented on people saying his posts are too long...perhaps a sign that those comments hurt him...given the fact that he has been the one most helpful individual in this entire hoax. He once again went back to debunking the murder theory...something he's done already with concrete proof, but yet people not only still believe the murder theory, they are now including TS as a prime suspect. It came across as him feeling backed into a corner with lots of fingers pointed at him....fingers connected to bodies that have somehow forgotten everything in his other 23 posts.
I don't know...just trying to put myself in his shoes and thinking that if I had spent a considerable amount of time and energy in helping a group of people, and all I got back was repeated criticism and accusations of betrayal...I would be left feeling pretty disappointed.
I know the majority of us support TS and his message and those that criticize are in the minority...but did we do enough to back him? Does he feel let down by us in some way? As I read the post and felt his sadness, I couldn't help but recall Michael at his trial and thinking how 'we' let him down then too. And much like TS, Michael then decided to leave...at least for awhile.
I do hope I'm way off and it's just close to my time of the month or something lol. But if I am right, even a bit, then I truly am sorry TS for anything I may or may not have done that contributed to your sadness.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Sincerity, accuracy, honest and above all consistency as always...
Thanks TS!
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Unfortunately what TS says is true about the re directs. He could re direct until BAM day and it would not really make any difference in any one believing any more than they do right now. I feel that at various points in time along this journey that people came to the conclusion of what they chose to believe or not believe.
Just as the re direct on Luke 16:31 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
There is not much more that could be said that would convience anyone more, and in debate of the truth confusion is created. I really hate to no longer see daily evidence of TS's presents. It was like waking up every morning to a dear sweet friend smiling at you from across the room or like a loving guiding hand that ever so gently nugged in the right direction. My worst fear is that Michael will be subjected to this same type of scrutiny when he returns. That will break my heart as bad as anything else. I just pray that God will give this Army wisdom and discernment, so that we can be productive as a whole when Michael returns, and not spend valuable time in debate of who he really is. Because when he does return, our time will be so short and we will have so much to do and so many people to guide and support in understanding what has just taken place in front of their eyes and the ultimate goal of it all. The return of Christ!! Yes and you can call it just my opinion if you like!! I love you Michael and TS thank you!!....Only God knows just how much you are Loved and Missed!!
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When T.S said that they aren't working with TMZ than how comes in one of the TMZ stories about Heidi and Spencer it said Scared yet? and in T.S's "Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET" post the capital letters also say SCARED YET?
You are mistaking what TS wrote ("working for") with the phrase "working with"—the former speaks of "employment", the latter indicates cooperation. TS is cooperating with TMZ (as she/he said in section 4), but is not their employee (as she/he said in section 5).
With this bit do you think its the same with MJ that there are so many similarities with the MJ and Elvis hoax.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
Maybe KJ wasn't told but she might know about MJ's death hoax. So maybe KJ will be told after 3 years, I only say this because of the similarities with Elvis.
I feel like the excerpt applies more to Joe and that he may be the one who is unaware of Michael faking his death—or at least in the name of drawing another parallel to Elvis, pretending to be unaware (it does say "Daddy", not "Mommy", afterall). And in view of how Joe keeps pushing that "Wrongful Death Lawsuit"—which he re-filed yesterday (11-30)—he seems the likelier candidate to be "out of the know". Personally, I think Katherine is very much "clued-in" (just a hunch though).
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It might be fun to start some sort of "Who is TS" campaign - not to find out his (or her) identity, but to draw more attention. Like have a t-shirt that says "Who is TS", or post it around the internet. People would see it and start wondering and maybe even google it or something.
We need more people "in the know", Michael is going to need the support of a lot of people so maybe we need to think of new ways or recruiting more and more members to the Army of L.O.V.E. And once people start reading TS's updates, it is kinda hard to argue his logic.
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When T.S said that they aren't working with TMZ than how comes in one of the TMZ stories about Heidi and Spencer it said Scared yet? and in T.S's "Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET" post the capital letters also say SCARED YET?
You are mistaking what TS wrote ("working for") with the phrase "working with"—the former speaks of "employment", the latter indicates cooperation. TS is cooperating with TMZ (as she/he said in section 4), but is not their employee (as she/he said in section 5).
With this bit do you think its the same with MJ that there are so many similarities with the MJ and Elvis hoax.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
Maybe KJ wasn't told but she might know about MJ's death hoax. So maybe KJ will be told after 3 years, I only say this because of the similarities with Elvis.
I feel like the excerpt applies more to Joe and that he may be the one who is unaware of Michael faking his death—or at least in the name of drawing another parallel to Elvis, pretending to be unaware (it does say "Daddy", not "Mommy", afterall). And in view of how Joe keeps pushing that "Wrongful Death Lawsuit"—which he re-filed yesterday (11-30)—he seems the likelier candidate to be "out of the know". Personally, I think Katherine is very much "clued-in" (just a hunch though).
Thanks melody for clearing that up, I've never been good at getting clues.
Also I just wanted to draw upon what TS said
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
I know we have said on other posts that unbelievers aren't believing and that they should wake up, which they should but I feel we should too. No doubt there are topics on this forum that cause controversy because people have their own opinions, controversy isn't always good, in the case, we shouldn't work against each other ( meaning arguing, which has been happening lately as we get closer and know more). This doesn't just affect the people who are involved in the arguing/controversy but everyone on the forum. Things are only going to get harder as we get closer and now or in the near future is not the time to divide.
I believe this site is mostly a loving and supportive site, but things around as might get us to lose focus and stray but we have to band together, we are stronger as a group.
To those who have left the site, we still wish you would come back and those who don't believe we wish you open your eyes and see what we can see.
Also I love these two quotes from the bible
About LOVE:
“Love is patient; love is kind and envies no one. Love is never boastful, nor conceited, nor rude; never selfish, not quick to take offense. There is nothing love cannot face; there is no limit to its faith, its hope, and endurance. In a word, there are three things that last forever: faith, hope, and love; but the GREATEST of them all is LOVE.”
And about faith:
"I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there" and it will move."
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Triple Seven has spoken!!! i mean TS! Like always, I'm stunned and keeping my faith strong. Thank you always for giving us the push we need it to see this more clearly. If by any change you come to Puerto Rico let me know so I can have you cook any dinner you like. :lol: Tito likes TACOS! In closing, thanks again for enlightening us the way.
Study Peace!
Yambo
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First, I am a TS "doubter". Secondly, we all have doubts about one thing or another, but we all believe in Michael. I hope we can all remember that, especially since TS took the time to put their thoughts onto this thread.
Yes, this "doubter" did read the posting in its entirety, which by the way is why I am now able to respond.
Lastly, I think it is much TS(Too Soon)before we all reach the end of this journey.
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Lol Triple Seven, that's cool. :D
What I noticed, is that in TS' post "Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET" he signs his post as "The Sign" but also, he randomly capitalizes "Time" so he's also kind of saying TS stands for "Time Sign" but in this post, he randomly capitalizes "The Source" :?
Maybe he's all three!
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I feel what you're saying guys I also had that feeling and felt some sadness and something else that I can't describe (can be wrong of course) but the story of Moses came to my mind.. when he left to bring some fire (warmth and light) and that people already forgot what he had teached them when he went back... he ended up with two believers.... etc.
Yesterday something else popped up in my head "My life has taken me beyond the planets and the stars..." somehow it can be relevant...
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Yesterday something else popped up in my head "My life has taken me beyond the planets and the stars..." somehow it can be relevant...
I'm still waiting for "Another Day" to leak (the complete one I mean of course), I am curious about the rest of the lyrics.
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I feel what you're saying guys I also had that feeling and felt some sadness and something else that I can't describe (can be wrong of course) but the story of Moses came to my mind.. when he left to bring some fire (warmth and light) and that people already forgot what he had teached them when he went back... he ended up with two believers.... etc.
Yesterday something else popped up in my head "My life has taken me beyond the planets and the stars..." somehow it can be relevant...
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I have often pondered on the same thing since the first time I heard that song last year. ;)
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I feel what you're saying guys I also had that feeling and felt some sadness and something else that I can't describe (can be wrong of course) but the story of Moses came to my mind.. when he left to bring some fire (warmth and light) and that people already forgot what he had teached them when he went back... he ended up with two believers.... etc.
Yesterday something else popped up in my head "My life has taken me beyond the planets and the stars..." somehow it can be relevant...
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I have often pondered on the same thing since the first time I heard that song last year. ;)
I don't know if you think what I think it is but maybe that this is it... :D
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By the way:
If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
I think a few of us have felt your prescence sometimes, even in disguise. ;) THANK YOU and do I beLIEve ? YepYep :lol:
If I signed up with various usernames
I understood that as a hypothesis :?
Yes, @Gema of course this is an "If" and therefore, an hypothesis, thank you.
A hypothesis that TS inferred himself!
ha ha ha-------good point, TS! Keep everyone guessing. Your identity may be a bigger mystery than the MJ hoax itself! :lol:
[center:9ep90mlc]But, on a serious note, I solemnly proclaim that:
I AM A BELIEVER!!!!!
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I don't believe Ms. Katherine doesn't know about the hoax.
Now it's my turn to say "He wouldn't do this to his Mother".
But who really knows..........
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I don't believe Ms. Katherine doesn't know about the hoax.
Now it's my turn to say "He wouldn't do this to his Mother".
But who really knows..........
But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
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If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
You could tell the truth or you could try to test us again :) I must confess I am one of those who thought they saw you under another username :D
If I was wrong - so be it......but I don't think so :D
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Thank you TS for speaking up at this time. I have a mental image of you as The Shepherd, skillfully guiding us to greener pastures. God bless you, Michael and Elvis/Jesse for making us aware that we have reached the eleventh hour in human history. Past. Present and Future, it was, is and always will be "ALL FOR LOVE" <3
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If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
You could tell the truth or you could try to test us again :) I must confess I am one of those who thought they saw you under another username :D
If I was wrong - so be it......but I don't think so :D
what username do you think TS used?
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Hi TS, I appreciate the time you spend trying to help .Your long posts are much expected...It was very difficult to "walk alone" trying to understand what did happen to Michael...It was incredible after several months to find clues and trails and people unsatisfied like me .So thank you so much...It's a great adventure.It's obvious that Michael was everywhere in November (not only in my dreams !), and not only because of money (to sell all the MJ's Products) there was much more, it was very odd and exciting...I won't be long...I'm french and it's still difficult for me not to lose the thread when I speak in english...Happy to be with you all , we 're all the same trying to be MJ's good soldiers of LOVE.We miss him so much.
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It might be fun to start some sort of "Who is TS" campaign - not to find out his (or her) identity, but to draw more attention. Like have a t-shirt that says "Who is TS", or post it around the internet. People would see it and start wondering and maybe even google it or something.
We need more people "in the know", Michael is going to need the support of a lot of people so maybe we need to think of new ways or recruiting more and more members to the Army of L.O.V.E. And once people start reading TS's updates, it is kinda hard to argue his logic.
HAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: I L.O.V.E. that idea! An official/unofficial Forum T-shirt.
Who is The Sign...
May The Sign be with you :lol:
Have you seen The Sign? 777 8-)
Triple Seven
777 The Sign of things to come
Oh we could have lots of fun with this... :mrgreen:
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Must... fight... the urge
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It might be fun to start some sort of "Who is TS" campaign - not to find out his (or her) identity, but to draw more attention. Like have a t-shirt that says "Who is TS", or post it around the internet. People would see it and start wondering and maybe even google it or something.
We need more people "in the know", Michael is going to need the support of a lot of people so maybe we need to think of new ways or recruiting more and more members to the Army of L.O.V.E. And once people start reading TS's updates, it is kinda hard to argue his logic.
HAHAHAHA! :lol: :lol: :lol: I L.O.V.E. that idea! An official/unofficial Forum T-shirt.
Who is The Sign...
May The Sign be with you :lol:
Have you seen The Sign? 777 8-)
Triple Seven
777 The Sign of things to come
Oh we could have lots of fun with this... :mrgreen:
I do think it would be fun. However, in all honesty I don't think it's necessary. I think the majority of people are aware of the possibility that MJ faked his death. And if not, they are at LEAST aware that something very strange is going on and it's not a normal death. That being said, when Michael bams, lots and lots (basically everyone) of people are going to notice and take interest. It will only be a matter of time before our forum is bombarded with people who want to know all the details. There may not be a lot of us "hoaxers" but I believe there is enough. I've been thinking that maybe Michael wants to keep the number of believers relatively low. If he wants to shock the world, he wants to shock the world...meaning, not everyone can know about it because otherwise it wouldn't be as shocking. And IF he wanted there to be more of us, he would make that happen. I mean come on, he pulled off the hoax, I think he could pull a few strings and get more people to believe. Perhaps thats what he was doing with Teddy Riley. Although, I think Teddy's role is to just plant the seed in the media and get people thinking about the idea, even if they think it's nuts. If it were a plan to get more believers, I think he would have chosen one of his more famous friends.
Also, we don't want to put too much emphasis on TS. Yes, it might spark interest. But how many people are actually going to come to the forum and spend 80 years reading TS' posts? :lol: Lol, I just mean that they are really long and nobody who is new to all of this is going to read all of those posts just to find out who TS is. Maybe it would bring more people to the forum, maybe not. I just think the most important thing we can do is keep reading and researching ourselves so that we know all the information when the time comes. I have found that most people are willing to listen to me talk about it, to have a conversation about it, but they don't want to come to the forum.
I don't know, just my 2 cents. I certainly don't think it would hurt anything just not sure if it would be worth the effort.
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Must... fight... the urge
I think SEHF should be handed the first T-shirt... :lol:
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I feel what you're saying guys I also had that feeling and felt some sadness and something else that I can't describe (can be wrong of course) but the story of Moses came to my mind.. when he left to bring some fire (warmth and light) and that people already forgot what he had teached them when he went back... he ended up with two believers.... etc.
Yesterday something else popped up in my head "My life has taken me beyond the planets and the stars..." somehow it can be relevant...
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I have often pondered on the same thing since the first time I heard that song last year. ;)
I don't know if you think what I think it is but maybe that this is it... :D
That would be difficult for me to judge, if that is what I think .... that this is it. ;) PM me if you what to chat about it let me know what you think :P
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Thanks TS for having donated most of his time to answer us. This was the best post you wrote, it has many answers we sought.
Anyway, it's good to have your attention and as you yourself wrote: Everything will go and the truth will prevail.
Meanwhile I'll keep in this adventure, waiting for this so day dreamed!
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Thanks TS for having donated most of his time to answer us. This was the best post you wrote, it has many answers we sought.
Anyway, it's good to have your attention and as you yourself wrote: Everything will go and the truth will prevail.
Meanwhile I'll keep in this adventure, waiting for this so day dreamed!
Make your words mine. I couldn´t say better. ;) :lol:
Thanx TS
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4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
Indeed, many people on the forum, as well as the general public, are not real good at math—especially if it gets complex. I'm one of these people, and I'm not ashamed to admit that the calculator is under one of the hot keys of my laptop and the calculator on my cell phone is one of my best friends. Your math skills are excellent while I suck at math.
Therefore, me calculating the statistics of whether the MJ numerology was all by chance or design would have the same foolish results as sending you into the show ring with one of my dogs and expecting you to handle it like I do with the same results.
It's not that I can't or won't accept the numerology, I just pointed out that, especially when one is familiar with multicontextual research, there are countless events in which numerology is involved. Does that mean that all these events are planned?
The following is for everyone, and not just for TS:
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
Do you really think that MJ was talking exclusively (or even primarily) about Sony, when he said that they have manipulated the “history books”? Or perhaps was MJ actually referring to outthinking the Illuminati, and using Sony as a bit of a diversion (although the Illuminati does have its fingers in every big pie, including Sony)?
TS is talking about two different things in two different speeches.
In this speech, recorded on July 6th 2002, MJ explicitly speaks out against Sony/Tommy Mottola:
[youtube:2yqz3yp2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4[/youtube:2yqz3yp2]
In this speech in Harlem in 2002, which according to the date appearing in the footage was recorded on July 9th, MJ doesn't even mention the words Sony and/or Mottola while talking about artists and the record companies.
[youtube:2yqz3yp2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo[/youtube:2yqz3yp2]
The things that stood out to me in these videos ware the differences of MJ's appearance. One day he wore shades and black gloves, the other day no shades and no gloves. Also the behaviour on both days is different. Thinking back of Randy who keeps saying MJ did not sign the 2002 will, the theory of a double with bad intentions being involved in the plot to bring MJ down comes up again and makes me wonder if it is the Real Deal in BOTH these videos. I know I'm not the only one who has this question.
Also, here is a very good point from jacilovesmichael: “If he was murdered, then those who murdered him [supposedly including TS] surely wouldn’t want to continue spreading the message [which is exactly what TS does] that he was murdered for.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15976&start=25#p271397}.
Sorry, but this is not logical thinking. Is it realistic to even think that the people who believe that the illuminati killed Michael Jackson or the roughly 1000 hoaxers who think that MJ planned this hoax to expose the illuminati would truly be able to threaten the illuminati? No, that's not realistic. According to the general public we are just conspiracy nutters, and we are not taken seriously. In fact, everyone is making fun of us. So IF Sony and/or TS would be involved in a murder plot (mind, I never said this was the case and I still don't) it wouldn't endanger anyone, it would just be ridiculed like the entire illuminati conspiracy is ridiculed by the general public.
I'm sorry TS, but this last update doesn't bring clarity regarding the Elvis/MJ issue as far as I'm concerned, instead it brings more confusion. Fact is that Linda Hood stopped supporting Eliza's ongoing court case in December 2009 and she stated her reasons for it on her website back then. In September you wrote that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda as an informer. Now you're adding more confusion by writing:
Elvis/Jesse has also listed several of his past hiding places—including Apopka, Florida; Tenino, Washington; and Hawaii, which is a paradise island (TTAEAP 28,38,40,48). Many rumors have circulated for years about Elvis living on some “paradise island”; well, he actually did! And of course, Bahrain is also a paradise island.
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
There has been a lot of question and discussion lately about Linda Hood Sigmon, and whether she is a reliable informer for Elvis/Jesse. According to her: “Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case …” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
According to Eliza: “NEVER HAS MY BROTHER CONTACTED MYSELF VIA MAIL, PHONE OR EMAIL TO ASK, REQUEST OR ORDER ME TO DISCONTINUE AND/OR WITHDRAW FROM MY COURT CASE. NOT WHILE IT WAS FILED IN PROBATE COURT OR SINCE IT HAS BEEN FILED IN CHANCERY COURT. UNLESS OR UNTIL HE DOES, I SHALL CONTINUE TO ASSERT MY RIGHT TO DO SO.”
{http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2010/11/december-14-2010-130pm.html}.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Now you are suggesting that you are The Elvis/Jesse Informer?
Then you quote a recent comment of Linda Hood:
Actually, Linda has put more legal weight on the DNA evidence than I have ever done. “Once it became clear this month that the judge has refused to dismiss the case, after seeing the DNA results which revolve around my friend Jesse’s DNA … No judge would allow a case to proceed in this manner without substantiating proof … the court case will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Elvis is alive and is now Jesse.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
I'm sorry, but according to you one time Linda doesn't know all of it, and the other time she is right. This still doesn't answer the question as to why you stated in September that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda as an informer, while it's been known that she stopped supporting the case 9 months prior to your statement. Instead of giving a clear answer to the questions you added more confusing and assuming statements.
Since I'm forensically examining the entire Michael Jackson saga and everything that seems to be connected to it I stick to facts instead of sticking to assumptions, believe and faith.
10. Eliza’s Court Case
Many say that posts by TS are too long; and some people don’t even read them, because they are so long. Also, I was asked to keep this post short—and yet the same person complained that I left important information out of a previous post (update #6). It is possible to include more information, and it is also possible to keep the posts short; but it is not possible to do both. So what should I do: keep my posts short, and leave out important details? Or have long posts?
From update #6:
For those who are entirely new to all this: Eliza is the lady who discovered DNA evidence that she is the half-sister of Elvis Presley—and to top it all off, the DNA also proves that Elvis is still alive! Elvis lives in hiding, and has been going by the name “Jesse”—named after his twin brother, who was stillborn.
Simply adding the words "the methods of DNA collection/shipping do not match certain legal protocol" or "Eliza’s DNA was not all collected and shipped and handled under the specified legal criteria for chain of custody proof" to the above quote would not have made your post significantly longer. These words would have given clarity right from the start and this simple addition would have avoided the whole recent discussion.
Notice also that I said “proofs” (plural); so I was not talking merely about the DNA. Other strong scientific evidences included the photograph, the lie detector test, and the graphology / Forensic Document Examiner {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16038&start=25#p272697}.
The photograph:
In addition to the DNA evidence, there are several other categories of evidence. The following video clip is a cross-fade from Elvis to Jesse, and the face remains the same
[youtube:2yqz3yp2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8[/youtube:2yqz3yp2]
How come that this cross-fade is overall accepted as strong scientific evidence of Jesse being Elvis, while numerous members objected to the cross-fades Souza and I published of several "MJs" in the thread "The real deal...at least that's what we think" at viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612&start=0)
We did not distort the photos we used for our cross-fades, during resizing and rotating them we constrained ALL proportions.
Food for thought for those who still reject the "double theory", but do accept the Elvis/Jesse cross-fade as strong scientific evidence.
The graphology / Forensic Document Examiner
You did not talk about a "Forensic Document Examiner" in update #6:
Shirley Mason, a certified graphologist who worked for the Kansas City Bureau of Investigations for many years, analyzed letters from Elvis and from Jesse; her conclusion was that “she would testify in court, under oath, that Elvis ‘has to be ALIVE.’
As a result of all this, Dr. Hinton was charged with fraud; but after investigation (including the graphologist, above), he was cleared of all charges.
The above four categories (DNA, photographic, graphologist, and lie detector) are very strong scientific evidence that Jesse is truly Elvis, and therefore he did fake his death.
In fact, the words "forensic" and "examiner" are not used in update #6 at all, they only appear in THIS update which you posted after Serenitys_Dream shared the results of her investigation regarding graphology and the acceptance of graphology in courts. The outcome: Is Graphology Accepted in Courts? The answer is NO.
The lie detector test:
Admissibility in Court
It seems to be the public's general opinion that the results of polygraph testing is not allowed in court under any circumstances.
The truth is that Polygraph results are admissible in most courts across the country. The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the issue of admissibility so it has been up to individual jurisdictions to allow or disallow them. There are some jurisdictions that have absolute bans on admitting polygraph results, but most allow them.
Then why is this public opinion so wide-spread?
The simple fact is that both the plaintiff and the defendant have to agree to having the results of the test be admissible, prior to the examination being conducted.
Since the results of the test are going to hurt one party and help the other, the likelihood that both parties will agree to admissibility before knowing how it will affect their case, is minimal. Because of this, results of Polygraph testing are rarely admitted as evidence.
Source: http://www.polygraphplace.com/docs/info ... issibility (http://www.polygraphplace.com/docs/information2.htm#admissibility)
I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I also think that "it's all going to come out", but I don't base that on a "slip up" by Jermaine. Many people have made slip ups while being interviewed, simply due to stress or due to their thoughts not being completely focussed on the interviewer and his/her questions. Don't we all say the most idiotic, non logical things when we're talking to people while our attention is caught by an event within out eye sight or an item we notice while talking?
A simple example is a telephone conversation I had with a friend of mine last Monday, when we talked about the show results of her dog on Sunday. She said: "He showed like a dream, he walked through the bus as if that was his natural enviroment." I said: "Ehhhh...bus???". She started laughing and said: "Oh I'm sorry, I just saw a bus passing my house, of course I meant RING instead of BUS!".
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
Your words remind me of something that happened last March. Are you going to take a break? If so, I might know someone you could spend some spare time with, I think the two of you would get along just fine.
Last but not least:
Has any other hoaxer ever offered any such reward?
The Power of Words..?
According to the people on these boards the word “hoaxer” refers to the people who are examining the hoax.
Definitions of hoaxer:
- S: (n) prankster, cut-up, trickster, tricker, hoaxer, practical joker (someone who plays practical jokes on others)
Source: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=hoaxer (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=hoaxer) - hoaxer (plural hoaxers) Someone who does hoaxes.
Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoaxer (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoaxer) - hoaxer - someone who plays practical jokes on others
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hoaxer (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hoaxer)
So your either saying you’re one of us, you’re playing a practical joke on us or you’re Michael Jackson. Mind: "any other hoaxer" are your words, not mine…[/b]
And speaking of the unclaimed numerology reward: I could increase the reward up to 999 million dollars, but nobody would collect a penny—because the most advanced mathematician in the world can’t debunk it!
This is the same as if I would offer you a 999 million dollars reward in case you can bring me back my dog. My dog died 18 months ago but you don’t know that, so every attempt by you to bring me back my dog would result in zero.
It’s very easy to offer any kind of reward while YOU are so sure of the fact that no one is able to debunk it. 1+1=0.
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wrote: I'm sorry TS, but this last update doesn't bring clarity regarding the Elvis/MJ issue as far as I'm concerned, instead it brings more confusion. Fact is that Linda Hood stopped supporting Eliza's ongoing court case in December 2009 and she stated her reasons for it on her website back then. In September you wrote that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda as an informer. Now you're adding more confusion by writing:
I have to admit, or rather I admitted in my post in this thread, my continuing confusion in this case.
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I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I also think that "it's all going to come out", but I don't base that on a "slip up" by Jermaine. Many people have made slip ups while being interviewed, simply due to stress or due to their thoughts not being completely focussed on the interviewer and his/her questions. Don't we all say the most idiotic, non logical things when we're talking to people while our attention is caught by an event within out eye sight or an item we notice while talking?
A simple example is a telephone conversation I had with a friend of mine last Monday, when we talked about the show results of her dog on Sunday. She said: "He showed like a dream, he walked through the bus as if that was his natural enviroment." I said: "Ehhhh...bus???". She started laughing and said: "Oh I'm sorry, I just saw a bus passing my house, of course I meant RING instead of BUS!".
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
Your words remind me of something that happened last March. Are you going to take a break? If so, I might know someone you could spend some spare time with, I think the two of you would get along just fine.
I read this over and over again before I decided to comment and I could find no other way to politely put it so here goes....
Do you sincerely believe that after over a year of TS posting compelling evidence that everything would come out and the truth would be known, that TS would base all of that on Jermaine's statement about the Airport? He had on earphones so could he have heard a jet fly over or maybe a picture of an Airport was hanging over head? Wonder what could have brought Airport to his mind so quickly when he was speaking every so deliberate and precise? So you think if was strickly because something involving Aviation distracted Jermaine? Because I am trying to figure out what distracted Harvey to say "If Michael was dead" What kind of pressure could Harvey be under to cause that kind of slip up? And all the other so many slip ups concerning this one issue. So many pressured people with distractions. How convenient to dismiss such a compelling statement.
What could you possibly know about Michael's endeavors on exposing the Illuminati? Reading between the lines of his lyrics and his speeches make it pretty clear, so that must not be a strong suit for you! TS never said Michael was going to DO something to them. Michael's purpose is to warn and bring awareness by exposing the corruption. I am really appauled FOR TS! Attiudes like yours are the very reason this Army has become divided, but then again I would have to tell myself you are really no part of it or you would not have such an attitude...because there IS NO L.O.V.E. anywhere to be found in your post.
I would hope your blatant saricasim and disrespect is a slip up MO! because I can guarantee mine IS NOT!!
Now I have to go ask forgiveness to the one who really matters and is watching, for my attitude.
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I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I also think that "it's all going to come out", but I don't base that on a "slip up" by Jermaine. Many people have made slip ups while being interviewed, simply due to stress or due to their thoughts not being completely focussed on the interviewer and his/her questions. Don't we all say the most idiotic, non logical things when we're talking to people while our attention is caught by an event within out eye sight or an item we notice while talking?
A simple example is a telephone conversation I had with a friend of mine last Monday, when we talked about the show results of her dog on Sunday. She said: "He showed like a dream, he walked through the bus as if that was his natural enviroment." I said: "Ehhhh...bus???". She started laughing and said: "Oh I'm sorry, I just saw a bus passing my house, of course I meant RING instead of BUS!".
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
Your words remind me of something that happened last March. Are you going to take a break? If so, I might know someone you could spend some spare time with, I think the two of you would get along just fine.
I read this over and over again before I decided to comment and I could find no other way to politely put it so here goes....
Do you sincerely believe that after over a year of TS posting compelling evidence that everything would come out and the truth would be known, that TS would base all of that on Jermaine's statement about the Airport? He had on earphones so could he have heard a jet fly over or maybe a picture of an Airport was hanging over head? Wonder what could have brought Airport to his mind so quickly when he was speaking every so deliberate and precise? So you think if was strickly because something involving Aviation distracted Jermaine? Because I am trying to figure out what distracted Harvey to say "If Michael was dead" What kind of pressure could Harvey be under to cause that kind of slip up? And all the other so many slip ups concerning this one issue. So many pressured people with distractions. How convenient to dismiss such a compelling statement.
What could you possibly know about Michael's endeavors on exposing the Illuminati? Reading between the lines of his lyrics and his speeches make it pretty clear, so that must not be a strong suit for you! TS never said Michael was going to DO something to them. Michael's purpose is to warn and bring awareness by exposing the corruption. I am really appauled FOR TS! Attiudes like yours are the very reason this Army has become divided, but then again I would have to tell myself you are really no part of it or you would not have such an attitude...because there IS NO L.O.V.E. anywhere to be found in your post.
I would hope your blatant saricasim and disrespect is a slip up MO! because I can guarantee mine IS NOT!!
Now I have to go ask forgiveness to the one who really matters and is watching, for my attitude.
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Something for us all to remember! :)
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4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
Indeed, many people on the forum, as well as the general public, are not real good at math—especially if it gets complex. I'm one of these people, and I'm not ashamed to admit that the calculator is under one of the hot keys of my laptop and the calculator on my cell phone is one of my best friends. Your math skills are excellent while I suck at math.
Therefore, me calculating the statistics of whether the MJ numerology was all by chance or design would have the same foolish results as sending you into the show ring with one of my dogs and expecting you to handle it like I do with the same results.
It's not that I can't or won't accept the numerology, I just pointed out that, especially when one is familiar with multicontextual research, there are countless events in which numerology is involved. Does that mean that all these events are planned?
Please provide us with the countless events in which 777, 999 and 1998 are repeatedly used, that would make sense in this hoax and the events in this hoax in which they are used. It is very clear this is all planned and since Mike himself promoted all these numbers AND the meaning behind it (death hoax in Moonwalker and Ghost, ressurection in Moonwalker and Ghosts, 1998 in the Dangerous autographes + that he warned for corruption in our governments and big companies for many years in his lyrics, speeches, art etc.). If you have the opinion that this is NOT planned by Mike, please explain how. If someone else uses these numbers that he promoted himself throughout the years, please explain how and why in a coherent theory that makes sense. You can come up with all kinds of loose theories, but until you back them up with logic reasoning, they don't make sense at all. Questioning the hoax or TS is fine and if you are proven right, then no one will oppose it, but you need to come up with good arguments. Lately it seems you just oppose to oppose.
The following is for everyone, and not just for TS:[/b]
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
Do you really think that MJ was talking exclusively (or even primarily) about Sony, when he said that they have manipulated the “history books”? Or perhaps was MJ actually referring to outthinking the Illuminati, and using Sony as a bit of a diversion (although the Illuminati does have its fingers in every big pie, including Sony)?
TS is talking about two different things in two different speeches.
In this speech, recorded on July 6th 2002, MJ explicitly speaks out against Sony/Tommy Mottola:
[youtube:33r55voq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4[/youtube:33r55voq]
In this speech in Harlem in 2002, which according to the date appearing in the footage was recorded on July 9th, MJ doesn't even mention the words Sony and/or Mottola while talking about artists and the record companies.
[youtube:33r55voq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo[/youtube:33r55voq]
The things that stood out to me in these videos ware the differences of MJ's appearance. One day he wore shades and black gloves, the other day no shades and no gloves. Also the behaviour on both days is different. Thinking back of Randy who keeps saying MJ did not sign the 2002 will, the theory of a double with bad intentions being involved in the plot to bring MJ down comes up again and makes me wonder if it is the Real Deal in BOTH these videos. I know I'm not the only one who has this question.
The bottom one seems like the real deal to me, the top one might as well be a double, but this opinion does not explain anything about any bad intentions. The bottom one (MJ himself in my opinion) talks about the history books being a lie. After investigating and thinking for myself for 18 months, I know that this is a fact and that he mentioned this many, many times. The top one may not be the real deal, but is saying the same as the man himself, because there is another speech you left out where he himself is saying the exact same things.
[youtube:33r55voq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0Un9K5dKQ&feature=related[/youtube:33r55voq]
This is the speech TS talked about in combination with the second one you posted. So Mike talked about BOTH Sony/Mottola and the history books being manipulated. So I don't understand why there should be bad intentions in any of these three videos. I am not opposing the theory that there might be a double with bad intentions, but I don't see why this would point that out, or why this would make TS unreliable.
Also, here is a very good point from jacilovesmichael: “If he was murdered, then those who murdered him [supposedly including TS] surely wouldn’t want to continue spreading the message [which is exactly what TS does] that he was murdered for.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15976&start=25#p271397}.
Sorry, but this is not logical thinking. Is it realistic to even think that the people who believe that the illuminati killed Michael Jackson or the roughly 1000 hoaxers who think that MJ planned this hoax to expose the illuminati would truly be able to threaten the illuminati? No, that's not realistic. According to the general public we are just conspiracy nutters, and we are not taken seriously. In fact, everyone is making fun of us. So IF Sony and/or TS would be involved in a murder plot (mind, I never said this was the case and I still don't) it wouldn't endanger anyone, it would just be ridiculed like the entire illuminati conspiracy is ridiculed by the general public.
Is it logical thinking to imply that the illuminati would set up such a scam to make only a roughly 1000 people think that this is a hoax? For what reason? They are not able to threaten them, but they are able to support them, even though they are exposing them? Sorry, but I miss the logic in this. Has it occured to you that maybe these 1000 hoaxers are needed to educate those who did NOT follow this all for 18+ months once the shit hits the fan? That this forum is an archive for those that want to see what has happened when they were asleep? All of a sudden these roughly 1000 hoaxers would become a real threat once people realize we were never crazy.
I'm sorry TS, but this last update doesn't bring clarity regarding the Elvis/MJ issue as far as I'm concerned, instead it brings more confusion. Fact is that Linda Hood stopped supporting Eliza's ongoing court case in December 2009 and she stated her reasons for it on her website back then. In September you wrote that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda as an informer. Now you're adding more confusion by writing:
Elvis/Jesse has also listed several of his past hiding places—including Apopka, Florida; Tenino, Washington; and Hawaii, which is a paradise island (TTAEAP 28,38,40,48). Many rumors have circulated for years about Elvis living on some “paradise island”; well, he actually did! And of course, Bahrain is also a paradise island.
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
There has been a lot of question and discussion lately about Linda Hood Sigmon, and whether she is a reliable informer for Elvis/Jesse. According to her: “Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case …” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
According to Eliza: “NEVER HAS MY BROTHER CONTACTED MYSELF VIA MAIL, PHONE OR EMAIL TO ASK, REQUEST OR ORDER ME TO DISCONTINUE AND/OR WITHDRAW FROM MY COURT CASE. NOT WHILE IT WAS FILED IN PROBATE COURT OR SINCE IT HAS BEEN FILED IN CHANCERY COURT. UNLESS OR UNTIL HE DOES, I SHALL CONTINUE TO ASSERT MY RIGHT TO DO SO.”
{http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2010/11/december-14-2010-130pm.html}.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Now you are suggesting that you are The Elvis/Jesse Informer?
Then you quote a recent comment of Linda Hood:
Actually, Linda has put more legal weight on the DNA evidence than I have ever done. “Once it became clear this month that the judge has refused to dismiss the case, after seeing the DNA results which revolve around my friend Jesse’s DNA … No judge would allow a case to proceed in this manner without substantiating proof … the court case will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Elvis is alive and is now Jesse.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
I'm sorry, but according to you one time Linda doesn't know all of it, and the other time she is right. This still doesn't answer the question as to why you stated in September that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda as an informer, while it's been known that she stopped supporting the case 9 months prior to your statement. Instead of giving a clear answer to the questions you added more confusing and assuming statements.
Since I'm forensically examining the entire Michael Jackson saga and everything that seems to be connected to it I stick to facts instead of sticking to assumptions, believe and faith.
Facts? What facts are you sticking with? Have you been involved in any of the cases? Do you know any of the people involved personally? Is there anything you know with absolute certainty? Have you been to any of the hearings? No you don't and no you haven't. You have been behind your laptop like all of us. We are all basing our THEORIES on assumptions, speculatios and investigating what we can find on the net, of which we are not even sure is a fact. After that we use our common sense to see if we can find a theory that makes sense. That is all we can do, try to connect the dots. If you read the post again, you will see that TS didn't mention anywhere that Linda is not Jesse's informer anymore. Sometimes " forensically examining" isn't enough and we need to use our own brain and logic. If we should only rely on facts in this hoax, we wouldn't get one tiny step further because we don't have any. Even the family makes contradicting statements all the time.
And why couldn't TS be an informer of Jesse? Linda can, but Eliza and TS can't? What makes Linda so special and believable and what makes TS and Eliza so unreliable? Did Linda provide us with the legal evidence you hang onto so much? She is only posting stories on a website. I am not saying Linda is full of BS, because I do think Linda tells the truth as well, but let's face it: she doesn't provide us with more evidence than TS or Eliza. TS also said:
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
In other words: Linda doesn't know everything, and probably Eliza doesn't know everything either. There can be many reasons why Jesse chose to do it like that, if you take his and theirs safety into consideration.[/color]
10. Eliza’s Court Case
Many say that posts by TS are too long; and some people don’t even read them, because they are so long. Also, I was asked to keep this post short—and yet the same person complained that I left important information out of a previous post (update #6). It is possible to include more information, and it is also possible to keep the posts short; but it is not possible to do both. So what should I do: keep my posts short, and leave out important details? Or have long posts?
From update #6:
For those who are entirely new to all this: Eliza is the lady who discovered DNA evidence that she is the half-sister of Elvis Presley—and to top it all off, the DNA also proves that Elvis is still alive! Elvis lives in hiding, and has been going by the name “Jesse”—named after his twin brother, who was stillborn.
Simply adding the words "the methods of DNA collection/shipping do not match certain legal protocol" or "Eliza’s DNA was not all collected and shipped and handled under the specified legal criteria for chain of custody proof" to the above quote would not have made your post significantly longer. These words would have given clarity right from the start and this simple addition would have avoided the whole recent discussion.
I will say it again: all the info you needed was in the blog that TS linked to. Part of " forensically examining" is reading all the info that is provided, also the info that is only linked. TS can't help it when people don't click the links.
Notice also that I said “proofs” (plural); so I was not talking merely about the DNA. Other strong scientific evidences included the photograph, the lie detector test, and the graphology / Forensic Document Examiner {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16038&start=25#p272697}.
The photograph:
In addition to the DNA evidence, there are several other categories of evidence. The following video clip is a cross-fade from Elvis to Jesse, and the face remains the same
[youtube:33r55voq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8[/youtube:33r55voq]
How come that this cross-fade is overall accepted as strong scientific evidence of Jesse being Elvis, while numerous members objected to the cross-fades Souza and I published of several "MJs" in the thread "The real deal...at least that's what we think" at viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612&start=0)
We did not distort the photos we used for our cross-fades, during resizing and rotating them we constrained ALL proportions.
Food for thought for those who still reject the "double theory", but do accept the Elvis/Jesse cross-fade as strong scientific evidence.
As long as both you and I can´t back up our theories as TS is backing up his information, we must accept that people don´t believe it. Frustrating maybe since WE see it, but something we need to deal with. After all, they are just theories and besides that, I think it´s pretty accepted these days that he used doubles.
The graphology / Forensic Document Examiner
You did not talk about a "Forensic Document Examiner" in update #6:
Shirley Mason, a certified graphologist who worked for the Kansas City Bureau of Investigations for many years, analyzed letters from Elvis and from Jesse; her conclusion was that “she would testify in court, under oath, that Elvis ‘has to be ALIVE.’
As a result of all this, Dr. Hinton was charged with fraud; but after investigation (including the graphologist, above), he was cleared of all charges.
The above four categories (DNA, photographic, graphologist, and lie detector) are very strong scientific evidence that Jesse is truly Elvis, and therefore he did fake his death.
In fact, the words "forensic" and "examiner" are not used in update #6 at all, they only appear in THIS update which you posted after Serenitys_Dream shared the results of her investigation regarding graphology and the acceptance of graphology in courts. The outcome: Is Graphology Accepted in Courts? The answer is NO.
Again, the info is all provided by TS in Update #6, where TS linked to this video:
[youtube:33r55voq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M[/youtube:33r55voq]
The lie detector test:[/b]
Admissibility in Court
It seems to be the public's general opinion that the results of polygraph testing is not allowed in court under any circumstances.
The truth is that Polygraph results are admissible in most courts across the country. The Supreme Court has yet to rule on the issue of admissibility so it has been up to individual jurisdictions to allow or disallow them. There are some jurisdictions that have absolute bans on admitting polygraph results, but most allow them.
Then why is this public opinion so wide-spread?
The simple fact is that both the plaintiff and the defendant have to agree to having the results of the test be admissible, prior to the examination being conducted.
Since the results of the test are going to hurt one party and help the other, the likelihood that both parties will agree to admissibility before knowing how it will affect their case, is minimal. Because of this, results of Polygraph testing are rarely admitted as evidence.
Source: http://www.polygraphplace.com/docs/info ... issibility (http://www.polygraphplace.com/docs/information2.htm#admissibility)
I will quote a part of this update:
So does this all mean that Eliza’s court case will fall through the cracks, and be a waste of time for Eliza—as well as our own Elvis And MJ connections, etc? I am not the Judge (or Chancellor, in this case); but I can tell you that judges are not stupid—and most likely he will see the common sense evidence regarding the DNA, and understand that Eliza is being honest.
All the evidence as mentioned above added up, will make a judge use his common sense and see that it is very likely that Eliza tells the truth. If common sense would not be used by a judge, lots of innocent people would be behind bars because the evidence was against them. Yet there were factors in many cases that made the judge rule otherwise. The law is not that black-and-white and many factors are taken into consideration. Certainly when there is that much evidence, because in this case it's not just the lie detector test.[/color]
I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I also think that "it's all going to come out", but I don't base that on a "slip up" by Jermaine. Many people have made slip ups while being interviewed, simply due to stress or due to their thoughts not being completely focussed on the interviewer and his/her questions. Don't we all say the most idiotic, non logical things when we're talking to people while our attention is caught by an event within out eye sight or an item we notice while talking?
A simple example is a telephone conversation I had with a friend of mine last Monday, when we talked about the show results of her dog on Sunday. She said: "He showed like a dream, he walked through the bus as if that was his natural enviroment." I said: "Ehhhh...bus???". She started laughing and said: "Oh I'm sorry, I just saw a bus passing my house, of course I meant RING instead of BUS!".
You made this look like TS is saying people should only believe this because of Jermaine's slip-up and is basing everything on just that. I for one do not and I think most people on this forum do not put their complete faith only in a slip-up (one of many by the way). Jermaine is also not the only one in the family who said it's all going to come out, they all said so.
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
Your words remind me of something that happened last March. Are you going to take a break? If so, I might know someone you could spend some spare time with, I think the two of you would get along just fine.
Even IF TS is going to take a break, I wouldn't blame him. I would have given up months ago and after the latest accusations I was even surprised he took the effort of writing this update. Lately I even got to understand the thing in March, even though it was mis interpretated, which is a shame.
Last but not least:
Has any other hoaxer ever offered any such reward?
The Power of Words..?
According to the people on these boards the word “hoaxer” refers to the people who are examining the hoax.
Definitions of hoaxer:
- S: (n) prankster, cut-up, trickster, tricker, hoaxer, practical joker (someone who plays practical jokes on others)
Source: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=hoaxer (http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=hoaxer) - hoaxer (plural hoaxers) Someone who does hoaxes.
Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoaxer (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoaxer) - hoaxer - someone who plays practical jokes on others
Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hoaxer (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hoaxer)
So your either saying you’re one of us, you’re playing a practical joke on us or you’re Michael Jackson. Mind: "any other hoaxer" are your words, not mine…[/b]
Your own words:
Sorry, but this is not logical thinking. Is it realistic to even think that the people who believe that the illuminati killed Michael Jackson or the roughly 1000 hoaxers who think that MJ planned this hoax to expose the illuminati would truly be able to threaten the illuminati? No, that's not realistic. According to the general public we are just conspiracy nutters, and we are not taken seriously. In fact, everyone is making fun of us. So IF Sony and/or TS would be involved in a murder plot (mind, I never said this was the case and I still don't) it wouldn't endanger anyone, it would just be ridiculed like the entire illuminati conspiracy is ridiculed by the general public.
And it is not just you who uses that word, we all do. So big chance that TS simply means just that. After all TS has posted, common sense tells us that he is not playing a practical joke on us and if he is Mike himself, all the better because that would mean he has a thick skin and can put the accusations aside more easily, since he endured much worse than that. But if he is, I would want to apologize that the accusations towards him based on assumptions and speculations are even going on on a forum dedicated to vindicate him.[/color]
And speaking of the unclaimed numerology reward: I could increase the reward up to 999 million dollars, but nobody would collect a penny—because the most advanced mathematician in the world can’t debunk it!
This is the same as if I would offer you a 999 million dollars reward in case you can bring me back my dog. My dog died 18 months ago but you don’t know that, so every attempt by you to bring me back my dog would result in zero.
It’s very easy to offer any kind of reward while YOU are so sure of the fact that no one is able to debunk it. 1+1=0.
In other words, it is impossible to debunk the numerology. That added to Mike's own symbology and use of numerology is the best proof we can get that he faked his death and is trying to guide us through his masterpiece. 1+1=2. Always has been, always will be. The key to all this: thinking for yourself and always keeping the 'we are all human' factor in mind. None of us is perfect, not even Michael Jackson, although his work comes close.
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Mo you are contradicting yourself because you say in one hand that you don't discard the numerology as being genuine and on the other hand you say that you're not good at maths and that you are therefore not able to debunk it due to that fact (I suck at math too by the way). If you think that the numerology is genuine and makes sense there's no need to try to debunk it because accepting the numerology implies that you think that it is not possible to debunk it. Or maybe that I have not understood you...
Hoaxer....yes Michael is a hoaxer he has hoaxed the world. We perfectly know what it means here in HOAXLAND this is a word that we all use to call ourselves as being part of the hoax like the citizens of Hoaxland are hoaxers and not as being pranksters or whatever else it can imply. These definitions picked up in this dictionnary do not apply here.
About the slip-up I had the very same one as Jermaine and believe me when I say that it means a lot. Now saying or implying that TS is basing himself on that to say that it is all going to come out is simply false. Makes me think of the airplane people were sure to have seen crashing on the pentagon... well I'm digressing here sorry. :?
About the Illuminati.... if we are only going to be ridiculed, if they are so strong and that nothing can be done then why are we here? Better give up then. I will repeat what I have said but absolutely nodody has ever taken control over the world, nobody and no matter how strong they were. Because this is all under God's control. They will never win, NEVER.
Well in the end the numerology has still not been debunked. There is another realm that you guys don't believe in forget about men made laws and dictionnaries God is more powerful and His will is the Truth. Peace.
Oh what happened in March? I def have a bad memory....
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"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Very good reminder jono. God bless you for that :)
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I would hope your blatant saricasim and disrespect is a slip up MO! because I can guarantee mine IS NOT!!
Now I have to go ask forgiveness to the one who really matters and is watching, for my attitude.
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Something for us all to remember! :)
Yes indeed jono that is the truth...so please pray for me because I am not perfect and I did get very upset at what was said to TS...and I usually pass up such comments but with everything going on as of late..."which is no excuse" I really lost it so thank you for the reminder....
PS I Love you MO...and will pray for your enlightenment because this world is in serious trouble.
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So TS, you want me to believe that Katherine may not know (even if you said it's a remote possibility), or Michael would be away from his children? I'm sorry, I don't think so.
I'm sure MJ would rather be dead for real.
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I would hope your blatant saricasim and disrespect is a slip up MO! because I can guarantee mine IS NOT!!
Now I have to go ask forgiveness to the one who really matters and is watching, for my attitude.
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Something for us all to remember! :)
Yes indeed jono that is the truth...so please pray for me because I am not perfect and I did get very upset at what was said to TS...and I usually pass up such comments but with everything going on as of late..."which is no excuse" I really lost it so thank you for the reminder....
PS I Love you MO...and will pray for your enlightenment because this world is in serious trouble.
It does sometime happen in the heat of the moment!
...I shall join you in praying for Mo's enlightenment! ;)
...It is all for Love Mo!
With L.O.V.E
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So TS, you want me to believe that Katherine may not know (even if you said it's a remote possibility), or Michael would be away from his children? I'm sorry, I don't think so.
I'm sure MJ would rather be dead for real.
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How can you make such a statement without the evidence to back it up :shock: How can you put those words in Michaels mouth! :roll:
Have we not yet learned better than this. I feel ashamed for you even writing this comment :oops:
Im sorry but I just had to comment. I cannot even comprehend you would even contemplate wishing Michael was dead :shock: If I have misunderstood your comment please forgive me.
LOVE & BLESSINGS TO ALL ... these times are hard.
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The main thing to remember here is when to use your common sense to decide if the evidence is true or not. Is it more likely true or is it more likely false? That is how to determine beyond a reasonable doubt what is what.
By the way: did you notice that much of the media reported Riley as an “insane producer”—but the word “insane” was not used by TMZ? “MJ Producer Believes MJ is ALIVE!!!!!” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/michael-jackson-alive-dead-conspiracy-teddy-riley-blackstreet-dangerous-death-life-hiding/; http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22insane+producer%22+riley&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cae82668a2ddab14}.
What is crazy about this? It just shows how the media copies and pastes each other with out checking facts for themselves. The google search is ridiculas with the amount of articles that wrote the same B.S. line...INSANE! Yes we are and what of it? I don't care... hee hee
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
LMAO... I may have been hostile towards you. That is just my Taurus side flaring up. Seriously you would get treated like I treat any username: if I got issues with them I got issues, if I am agreeing I am agreeing, etc. You would not get special treatment from me regardless of what username you used. ;)
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
I would believe you now.
What about DNA (even if it is handled under certain “chain of custody” requirements), do you need to be a lab technician to accept DNA evidence? Or could you accept the fact that lab technicians themselves are unable to refute certain DNA evidence?
This is a situation that comes down to common sense. There is proof from the DNA lab that states yes these DNA's match as family members. If I am using my common sense I would say I believe the DNA to be real. We aren't discussing the actual legality of the need for chain of custody when it comes to just believing in our own minds that Eliza and Elvis/Jesse are indeed related by the DNA documentation she does have from the labs.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
I have read the comments in this thread and a good majority of the people have stated there isn't much new info however I disagree. All the quotes from Elvis/Jesse that were taken from his book show that this is new info. I would bet many people here never even went to Linda's website. If they did they most likely didn't read very much. I read the above statement so yes I was aware of this fact.
It is very heartbreaking to think that Elvis/Jesse had to live with this secret all this time.
It is very heartbreaking that Elvis/Jesse didn't get the chance to tell his Daddy he was ok and alive. How very heartbreaking Elvis/Jesse hasn't been able to go to his house (Graceland) because of the restrictions from Scientology controlling his estate. How sad he can't spend what little time he may have left here with his family, Lisa Marie and her babies.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Yes I can wrap my head around this scenerio. On one hand Elvis/Jesse is protecting his friend Linda by asking her not to support the case. Elvis/Jesse understands and knows that the people who wanted him dead might go after Linda so yes asking her to stop supporting the case does make sense because of the possibility of danger to her.
Not opposing Eliza's case will help Elvis/Jesse to prove he is still alive so he can finally set records straight. He needs for Eliza to establish in a court of law that she is his half sister so he can finally have access to his stuff he has been denied by the Estate.
Some may say that these statements by Jesse/Elvis were from about ten years ago, and perhaps things have changed since then. Yes, and I would also say that those who can read between the lines, think for themselves, and put themselves in Jesse’s shoes—they will probably be able to understand what has and has not changed in the last decade. Nuff said!
I do read between the lines. When Linda stopped supporting Eliza's case I understood it as it was for her safety that Elvis/Jesse told her not to support it anymore. Exibit info below on why it would be dangerous for Linda.
With MJ: his enemies really did kill the reputation, the image, the performer, the King of Pop—Michael Joseph Jackson. Therefore, the statements and emotions of the family are real—even though it is metaphorical murder, and not literal. Even the Bible uses death and murder in a metaphorical sense: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer[/u] ...” (1 John 3:15; see Luke 9:60; etc).
Katherine was crying on the Oprah interview; and it was real emotions and real tears, not just acting. She also said on that same interview, in the context of molestation charges and not the context of 6-25-2009: “I can’t talk about anything without crying ...” {4:31, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLy_-sCG76o}.
Also her biggest grief on June 25 was not when Murray told her that MJ was “gone” (to the airport). Instead, her major grief was when she had to take the children home with her; because at that point, MJ really was “gone”—and the children would not then be living with him or seeing him regularly {10:21, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLy_-sCG76o}.
But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
I get it. I have been aware of this type of info from Elvis/Jesse book and I did apply the same thinking to Michael and his family. I have tried many times to hint at where people should look for examples of how to understand the clues. I tried to get people to see how we could use Elvis' own words to decifer Michael's hoax seeing how he paralleled almost all of it to Elvis.
However, for those of us who do believe in God—which includes Jesse/Elvis, Linda, Eliza, and of course MJ (as well as many on the hoax forums)—they all recognize that God is bigger and more powerful than all the people and all the money in the world combined! Therefore, if God wants the general public to know the truth about Elvis, and/or MJ: then nobody and nothing is going to stop it.
Furthermore, all who believe in God should also realize that He is fully capable of protecting both Elvis and MJ. And if MJ did not have a strong faith in God’s protection, he would’ve never planned any BAM at all. “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear ... He that feareth is not made perfect in love.” (1 John 4:18). Remember: It’s All For LOVE!
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
Nothing or no one will stop the truth from unfolding when God is in control. I gotcha and it wouldn't be far fetched to think that even Elvis/Jesse is another source to you as well. ;)
Is Lisa Marie Presley really opposing Eliza Presley's lawsuit?
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14844 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=14844)
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The Back Lash to The Presley Estate, Lisa, her mother, and Scientology is Huge!
There is so much evidence here on this forum that speaks of ties to the Scientology Cult by Both Priscilla and Lisa.
It is all about the loss of revenue why this is being opposed.
The enormous uproar this will cause.
For years fans have thought Elvis was "dead"
That was and is big money they spent.
They will be infuriated.
There is no way around this.
Sorry to burst the LMP and Michael "love story"
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13066&p=220487#p220487 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13066&p=220487#p220487)
CORRUPT...MIND CONTROL/BRAIN WASHING...CULT...IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebrities_con.html (http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/celebrities_con.html)
Travolta, Cruise and other celebrities con fans and media
FACTNet alert October 15, 1998
A director of FACTNet recently spent 20 hours interviewing former high-level Scientologist Jesse Prince . Jesse was second in command of all Scientology's operations worldwide. In these conversations, Jesse disclosed information never previously revealed on Scientology's celebrities.
The following synopsis on Scientology's celebrities is a condensation of information from Jesse Prince and other Scientology defectors.
Celebrities' Endorsements of Scientology a Scam
Scientology's celebrities are running a global scam on their fans and on the media. Stars like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, Chick Corea, Kirstie Alley, Nicole Kidman, Kelly Preston, Priscilla Presley, Lisa Presley, and others are secretly being given lucrative compensation for endorsing Scientology. In the recent film The Truman Show, Truman's wife incessantly pitched ads for household items, while her unaware husband was convinced she was simply stating her sincere fondness for the goods. In the same way, star Scientologists have betrayed their fans and hoodwinked interviewers by acting as though glowing endorsements of Scientology are strictly from the heart, of their own accord, and certainly not paid Scientology advertisements.
In reality, Scientology's celebrities are compensated richly for endorsements with:
Free Scientology services costing up to $1,000 dollars per hour. John Travolta alone has had in excess of $100,000 of free services in compensation.
Commissions of up to 10% for bringing people into Scientology (who subsequently pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for Scientology's services).
One or more Scientology staff being sent to travel full time with celebrities as "support," at Scientology's expense.
Free luxury accommodations and carte blanc use of the finest Scientology facilities and properties. Scientology's current leader David Miscavige learned that after Tom Cruise divorced Mimi Rogers, he was persuing Nicole Kidman. Miscavige also learns that Cruise has a fantasy of running through a field of tall wheat grass with Kidman. So, Miscavige orders a section of Scientology's desert compound in Giman Hot Springs to be plowed under and planted with wheat. At a cost of tens of thousands of dollars, and through the slave labor of cult members who work all day and all night for weeks, a field of tall wheat grass is grown in the desert so that Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman may run though it. During their visit, Cruise and Kidman are provided the additional luxuries of a specially prepared suite, maids, and two four-star chefs, all at scientology's expense as a quid pro quo exchange for Cruise's endorsements of Scientology.
Marriages and Divorces Arranged
Scientology actively helps arrange celebrities' divorces and marriages when Scientology deems them beneficial to Scientology.
Scientology arranged Tom Cruise's entire divorce from Mimi Rogers for no charge. The cult knows Cruise is dyslectic and has difficulty reading and so "convinced" him to let them handle his bookkeeping and the divorce from Mimi Rogers. Orchestrating this divorce was important to Scientology because Rogers was disaffected from Scientology; thus it was in Scientology's interest to distance Cruise from her. In managing the divorce for Cruise, Scientology still had enough influence over Mimi Rogers to convince her to accept a relatively paltry $10 million for the settlement.
:ugeek: Scientology also helped Lisa Marie Presley arrange her marriage to Michael Jackson. The idea was to make Jackson a Scientologist so he would become a recruiter and bring large numbers of youth into Scientology. While she was working on Michael Jackson, Presley inconveniently was already married, and to a Scientologist staff member. Scientology quickly ordered a divorce, so the Michael Jackson recruiting plan could go forward. :ugeek:
DIRTY DEVILS. 8-)
My other post which references Jesse Prince Affidavit; this quote is from this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=13134 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=13134)
I wonder, why does Priscilla and Lisa Marie still go to SC ?
[youtube:18ey0tne]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O2_rZIgrQI[/youtube:18ey0tne]
This is till scary to me.
Ok so I did some digging on this subject because I have felt in my gut for along time that Scientology is DIRTY and a EVIL/CULT. I also feel that they are a MIND CONTROL type of CHURCH/CULT.
When Tom kept referring to KSW, I was curious as to what he was meaning so I did a search and found the following info:
Affidavit of Jesse Prince (20 August 1999)
http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents ... 20.html#38 (http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/prince19990820.html#38)
EXCERPT:
7. Some of my specific duties as Deputy Inspector General, External, included supervising all litigation by or against any Scientology organization, intelligence and covert operations brought against perceived or imagined "enemies", trademark registrations, and the licensing of trademarks to other Scientology corporations to Why are they dead, Scientology?
http://www.whyaretheydead.info/ (http://www.whyaretheydead.info/)
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Peace
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13066 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13066)
This is what I could find on this subject that struck me as important.
DO A HENRY LOWELL…FOLLOW THE MONEY SEARCH
NEW MANN IN KATHERINE’S LIFE.. A GAMBLER
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11181 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11181)
DO A HOWARD MANN SEARCH RESULTS
Julien Auction proceeds and MusiCares/J Branca connection
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9166 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9166)
Ratner / Malnik / Motolla
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4236 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4236)
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I also think that Scientology has alot to do with the downfall or the beg. of MJ’s downfall and set up.
Do a Scientology search results
I can’t help but to keep thinking about all the similarities between Elvis and MJ.
So I search Linda’s website for relevant info and these always stand out to me.
I read them and just insert Michael’s name where Jesse/Elvis name is and it fits to find clues.
http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15)
I do want to emphasize very strongly the importance of the mentions of numerology in Jesse's introduction to his book. Jesse wanted the readers to see that he was handing them the information and the tool which they would need to decipher that date 8-16-1977 and recognize that only Elvis himself would have understood and known the many, many significant numbers derived from that "Perfect Date". This was his way of proving to each reader that he really is Elvis. The numbers don't lie.
You will see as you read on that 8-16-1977 was indeed "THE PERFECT DAY". Elvis said many times that he could feel God directing his life...and so he knew that this date was given to him by God as a sign.
http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33 (http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33)
Elvis/Jesse has suggested that we watch all of his movies with the idea in mind to look for significant numbers within the movies...such as the gravestone in "Loving You". I have found the numbers which he referred to in Jail House Rock. As you can see, the numbers behind and to the left of him 1313 again add up to the "8".
I spoke with Elvis/Jesse this week and we discussed something which he had brought up in our last prior conversation. It is involving Numerology which is a topic to which he wants his fans to pay attention. I promise that anyone, who takes the time to look back over the dates and name numbers in Elvis' life, will readily recognize why he trusts in and uses Numerology in his life still to this day. It is very fascinating once one looks into it. Also, I feel that most people will be like me... begin seeing that numbers have had a very strong influence in their own life... even when they were totally unaware of it.
He told me in our prior conversation that the gravestone in the movie "Loving You" even correlated with the August 16, 1977 date. I recalled that somewhere, in his book, he had mentioned that we all should look at the numbers in all of his movies. Since I have been primarily using my copy of the rough draft for references in doing this web site, it wasn't until yesterday that I remembered that there are several letters from Jesse in the published book which do not exist in my rough draft. I received my copy of the rough draft on September 20, 2000. The letters which I did not look at for a very long time were written by Jesse to Dr. Hinton after the rough draft was sent to me, and so there were more pages added to the book after I received my rough draft copy. I recalled that somewhere in the book, Jesse made the comments about checking out the numbers in his movies. But, I had totally forgotten that he specifically mentioned the gravestone in "Loving You". So, when I did not find the comment about the movies in my copy of the draft, I went looking in the published book and found that it was in one of the letters which Jesse wrote to Dr. Hinton in October, 2000.
I will place below the copies of several more letters from Jesse. In these letters, you will see that he greatly stresses the importance of Numerology.
*I do have the handwritten copy of one of the typed letters below and I will insert it at the very end of this article.
He has asked me to be his spokesperson and his "voice". So, I always want to make sure that I am putting the emphasis on the points which he wants to get across. The two most important thoughts which he definitely wants the fans to know are:
(1) The very significant part which Numerology has played in all of his life... even before he knew anything about Numerology i.e. the numerical translation of his name, the date of his birth, the number of times that the number 18 occurred in his life such as his year of birth 1+9+3+5 = 18, and the month and day of his birth 1-8...on and on.
(2) His "dying" was not done as a hoax,..he had to do so in order to even continue to physically survive. His life was in such a state of misery and he knew the only way to save his life was to "die". So he "died" in order that he might truly live...as Jesse.
If everyone will just stop and digest this gift which Elvis has just given us, surely the bickering can stop and everyone can just be so happy for him...and happy for each other, we who love him so much.
;)
http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page35 (http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page35)
I have attempted to convince people that there are so many, many reasons why I KNOW that Jesse is Elvis. Much of what he shared with me was over the phone, so I cannot prove that. There are his letters to me, but again, I will not place any of his private letters on my web site with out his explicit permission. That would be a betrayal of his trust.
But, in thinking back, I have been able to locate an example of the fact that he knew things and told us things which were going to be taking place LONG before the events were public knowledge in any way.
I have located one of his letters to Dr. Hinton in which he stated a fact that I can document showing that he is aware of private information prior to anyone knowing about it.
I will insert below full copies of two pages of a letter which Jesse wrote on May 13, 1999. In this letter, he states that there is going to be something in the news about Graceland and there is nothing he can do about it. In October, 1999 (five months after Jesse told us this), the huge auction of very private memorabilia took place. I will insert several Internet articles which document the dates of the auction.
Obviously this was not something of which Elvis/Jesse approved. It never made sense for them to sell such a huge lot of his personal possessions. :ugeek:
It was after this that Elvis/Jesse made the trip to Memphis and to Graceland to retrieve the pair of cuff links which he later sent to Dr. Hinton for Christmas in that same year...1999. Farther below you will see excerpts from the Christmas note which he sent to Dr. Hinton accompanying the cuff links in which he references not wanting them "to be sold in any auction". :ugeek:
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I only copied some things from her website. If you click the links and go to those pages and read everything there it will make alot of sense on how useful it will be to us to find clues from MJ.
Peace
I hope this helps. ;)
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So TS, you want me to believe that Katherine may not know (even if you said it's a remote possibility), or Michael would be away from his children? I'm sorry, I don't think so.
I'm sure MJ would rather be dead for real.
I think you misunderstood what was said. You might want to reread that part. It was hypothetical. Plus, do you know Mike personally? Who's to say what he would "rather" be or do? Sorry but we can't possibly know what he would or wouldn't do, can we?
Anyway...
I am completely saddened with some of what has been said here. I'm not going to give my arguments because they've already been presented very well by others (Souza, Sarahli, etc).
I think the opposing arguments are borderline laughable if I'm being honest... I hate to even say such things because everyone is entitled to their opinions and interpretations...but... that is how I feel. I keep getting this vibe that something fishy is going on with this. Maybe not, maybe I'm reading too much into it...
But I have to ask - Mo, are these your honest views or are you trying to test us? Or is there something that we don't know that you do? Forgive me, please don't get upset. I really don't want to argue and I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just genuinely curious because I'm just not getting it... :?
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So TS, you want me to believe that Katherine may not know (even if you said it's a remote possibility), or Michael would be away from his children? I'm sorry, I don't think so.
I'm sure MJ would rather be dead for real.
I think you misunderstood what was said. You might want to reread that part. It was hypothetical. Plus, do you know Mike personally? Who's to say what he would "rather" be or do? Sorry but we can't possibly know what he would or wouldn't do, can we?
Anyway...
I am completely saddened with some of what has been said here. I'm not going to give my arguments because they've already been presented very well by others (Souza, Sarahli, etc).
I think the opposing arguments are borderline laughable if I'm being honest... I hate to even say such things because everyone is entitled to their opinions and interpretations...but... that is how I feel. I keep getting this vibe that something fishy is going on with this. Maybe not, maybe I'm reading too much into it...
But I have to ask - Mo, are these your honest views or are you trying to test us? Or is there something that we don't know that you do? Forgive me, please don't get upset. I really don't want to argue and I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just genuinely curious because I'm just not getting it... :?
Jaci, it's commonly known that when people do not understand certain facts or situations, these get labeled. This doesn't mean that the label has anything to do with the opposing arguments but people need edges to clamp onto so I do understand your reaction.
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oh dear. michael, this is exactly why we need you.
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So TS, you want me to believe that Katherine may not know (even if you said it's a remote possibility), or Michael would be away from his children? I'm sorry, I don't think so.
I'm sure MJ would rather be dead for real.
It seems like people get so emotional lately that they forget to read the actual words on the screen:
But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
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With the whole Eliza courtcase and Elvis/Jesse wanting to set the record straight that he is alive, why now? Also this brings me to kinda the same question I asked on the other posts, why did Teddy only come out now about him believing MJ faked his death, didn't he only say that when someone asked him on twitter, so what Im saying is that was it MJ who wanted us to know that someone who is well known believes. Id like to think so but Im confused because it doesnt make sense.
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I am completely saddened with some of what has been said here. I'm not going to give my arguments because they've already been presented very well by others (Souza, Sarahli, etc).
I think the opposing arguments are borderline laughable if I'm being honest... I hate to even say such things because everyone is entitled to their opinions and interpretations...but... that is how I feel. I keep getting this vibe that something fishy is going on with this. Maybe not, maybe I'm reading too much into it...
But I have to ask - Mo, are these your honest views or are you trying to test us? Or is there something that we don't know that you do? Forgive me, please don't get upset. I really don't want to argue and I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just genuinely curious because I'm just not getting it... :?
You know what? I was thinking about the same thing too. I even thought that if this could be a game or some sort of test because there's so much contradiction btw the family members, friends and collegues and I thought that some sort of contradiction had been trying to be created on the forum too. :? I know that this is not true but Mo definitely doesn't sound like herself. No offense Mo but there is no logic in your theories. Souza, navibl and Sarahli have already written what I could write so I don't want to repeat what they wrote. I lost myself once, so I do understand how you are confused. When I lost my belief in TS, I thought that I started to think "out of the box" for the first time during the hoax issue. I thought that I was going to find something different from what we were told and found. But nope, there's nothing different out there. Just weird, illogical theories with dead ends. I started to check out everything, every detail from day 1 over and over again. I thought of every single possibility. And finally I found out that TS had been so right from the beginning. I'm not attacking or humiliating you, pls do not get this post that way. But I do believe that you need to get some rest and then start looking at every details from the beginning and think of every possibility. It works, it really does. I know that you will find it out if you get some rest and start digging again. I know that you think you're right and something is wrong with TS and the hoax but it is not like that. Just give some time to yourself and you will see. I know you will. Peace and Love.
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I am completely saddened with some of what has been said here. I'm not going to give my arguments because they've already been presented very well by others (Souza, Sarahli, etc).
I think the opposing arguments are borderline laughable if I'm being honest... I hate to even say such things because everyone is entitled to their opinions and interpretations...but... that is how I feel. I keep getting this vibe that something fishy is going on with this. Maybe not, maybe I'm reading too much into it...
But I have to ask - Mo, are these your honest views or are you trying to test us? Or is there something that we don't know that you do? Forgive me, please don't get upset. I really don't want to argue and I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just genuinely curious because I'm just not getting it... :?
You know what? I was thinking about the same thing too. I even thought that if this could be a game or some sort of test because there's so much contradiction btw the family members, friends and collegues and I thought that some sort of contradiction had been trying to be created on the forum too. :? I know that this is not true but Mo definitely doesn't sound like herself. No offense Mo but there is no logic in your theories. Souza, navibl and Sarahli have already written what I could write so I don't want to repeat what they wrote. I lost myself once, so I do understand how you are confused. When I lost my belief in TS, I thought that I started to think "out of the box" for the first time during the hoax issue. I thought that I was going to find something different from what we were told and found. But nope, there's nothing different out there. Just weird, illogical theories with dead ends. I started to check out everything, every detail from day 1 over and over again. I thought of every single possibility. And finally I found out that TS had been so right from the beginning. I'm not attacking or humiliating you, pls do not get this post that way. But I do believe that you need to get some rest and then start looking at every details from the beginning and think of every possibility. It works, it really does. I know that you will find it out if you get some rest and start digging again. I know that you think you're right and something is wrong with TS and the hoax but it is not like that. Just give some time to yourself and you will see. I know you will. Peace and Love.
...I thought the same thing about Mo not sounding like herself. I didn't want to say anything like that. But that's exactly what it's like. Mo, it's almost like your "Mo-ness", the essensce that makes you You, isn't there. I find myself reading some things and literally shaking my head in diisbelief, NOT because your opinions are different from my own, but because they don't make much sense and usually you make a lot of sense...
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I am completely saddened with some of what has been said here. I'm not going to give my arguments because they've already been presented very well by others (Souza, Sarahli, etc).
I think the opposing arguments are borderline laughable if I'm being honest... I hate to even say such things because everyone is entitled to their opinions and interpretations...but... that is how I feel. I keep getting this vibe that something fishy is going on with this. Maybe not, maybe I'm reading too much into it...
But I have to ask - Mo, are these your honest views or are you trying to test us? Or is there something that we don't know that you do? Forgive me, please don't get upset. I really don't want to argue and I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just genuinely curious because I'm just not getting it... :?
You know what? I was thinking about the same thing too. I even thought that if this could be a game or some sort of test because there's so much contradiction btw the family members, friends and collegues and I thought that some sort of contradiction had been trying to be created on the forum too. :? I know that this is not true but Mo definitely doesn't sound like herself. No offense Mo but there is no logic in your theories. Souza, navibl and Sarahli have already written what I could write so I don't want to repeat what they wrote. I lost myself once, so I do understand how you are confused. When I lost my belief in TS, I thought that I started to think "out of the box" for the first time during the hoax issue. I thought that I was going to find something different from what we were told and found. But nope, there's nothing different out there. Just weird, illogical theories with dead ends. I started to check out everything, every detail from day 1 over and over again. I thought of every single possibility. And finally I found out that TS had been so right from the beginning. I'm not attacking or humiliating you, pls do not get this post that way. But I do believe that you need to get some rest and then start looking at every details from the beginning and think of every possibility. It works, it really does. I know that you will find it out if you get some rest and start digging again. I know that you think you're right and something is wrong with TS and the hoax but it is not like that. Just give some time to yourself and you will see. I know you will. Peace and Love.
...I thought the same thing about Mo not sounding like herself. I didn't want to say anything like that. But that's exactly what it's like. Mo, it's almost like your "Mo-ness", the essensce that makes you You, isn't there. I find myself reading some things and literally shaking my head in diisbelief, NOT because your opinions are different from my own, but because they don't make much sense and usually you make a lot of sense...
Yes, this. And Mo, you won't respond to me or answer my questions or engage in debate with me at all. That's very unlike you.
In urban-ese, Mo, why you trippin? These ladies, our friends, have asked you some very legitimate questions and you've just been evasive.
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
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THANKS TS JUST READ IT AND YES NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS HE IS ALIVE LET'S WAIT IT OUT THE MAN KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING MICHAEL :D
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
You seem to be the only one which makes the whole thing twice as odd.
There's red flags all over this.
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I'm not saying she is but if Mo were to be playing a game, it would make a perfect test to see who really knows what's going on. What I mean by this is, Mo is an Admin here, a lot of people will take her word for things simply because she is an Admin, helped create the site and knows a lot more than some of us. Similar to the way some treat TS. So if Mo were to make statements like that, and people believed her then it would show that they are NOT thinking for themselves and that they are not truly understanding the message. On the topic of this "game", this is probably going to be too far-fetched but it's all for LOVE here so I thought I may as well say it. Is it possible Mo was approached by someone with the authority and power of someone like TS to do this to creat those doubts? I'm half expecting Mo to reply to this and shut down the suggestions BUT you never know :lol:
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Moonwalker:1988, Michael began to plan this hoax when he was 30 years old, WHY...?
Michael planned this hoax for 20+, He had LUCK, nothing changed his plan from the HIStory tour (2040spaceship) to 06/25/2009.
According to the dangerous autograph and TS' interpretation this hoax has a big purpose, but why did Michael choose to leave out Randy? And YES, TS suggested so, because he wrote about another possible MJ/Elvis parallel:
But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
Michael's number 777: Michael 7; Jackson 7; 7th child = 777
Oprah is in the hoax, she knows everything. Have you ALL forgotten what Oprah did?? :? Do you think that Michael will BAM during her last show or Michael told her everything?
Oh! BAM is a word used by TS to indicate MJ’s return. He based the definition on the scene after the credits, we know that they cut off that scene from a song’s rehearsal and put it in the end of the movie. Could we consider it as a hoax clue...? a hoax clue created by who made the editing..
This is it is not a movie nor a documentary, 'Michael' is not an album, do you think that Michael himself signed those deals with Sony..?
Sony, and NOT only Mottola, boycotted his best album.. do you think they are co-operating for this hoax??
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Actually Puff, we interpreted and coined Bam as the name of the return from the end of TII starting on opening night 10/28/09 (as soon as the first of us saw the movie and started talking about it on the forum). TS didn't even exist yet and S.T.D.Y. didn't use the word, or else it would have been an undeniable prediction. People were already talking about "MJ comes back at the end, after the credits" from the special 50-or-whatever person Japan early showing so we knew what to expect when we went to opening night, and then he said it: "bam". The word was being thrown around the forum by the morning. TS didn't use the word himself until 2010 (if memory serves). TS followed our lead on the usage of that word, using words like "return" and "reveal" rather then "bam" until the point that the word had become more or less immediate to mind and synonymous with the end of the hoax.
So, I'm sorry, that's not right about TS introducing the word "bam".
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I think TII was a way to make money for AEG, but the creative process was in Michael's hands, and we know nothing about all the hours of footage, that are not on TII.I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Michael is the real big boss behind all this.There is a big mystery here.I believe that choosing Oprah's show is strategic...millions of people watch it.That's all...and do you really think she is free to ask everything to Michael's children without control from the family . Everything is rehearsed, the questions are chosen , there is a contract, don't you believe ? I can't forget Blanket almost spitting in his hand before shaking Oprah's hand, did you see that ?
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Time will tell AND.....EVERYONE has THE RIGHT to his/her own opinion!!!
Perhaps we will never know the truth....I dont know...Do you?
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But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
I found this a rather odd thing for TS to say. It's like he's saying we can believe whatever we like if it makes it easier for us. Since when was this hoax about easy and believing whatever? Of course he's right - we CAN believe whatever we like, and to some extent we probably do - but it doesn't make it the truth. If he's about pointing us to the truth, it seemed a strange comment to me, that's all.
And regarding Elvis/MJ parallels and connections, I understood that MJ always studied 'the greats', then added his own twist/alterations - e.g. he didn't go with an open casket because it hadn't been a runaway success in Elvis' case. So, for me, just because Elvis didn't tell his father doesn't mean MJ did the same. I would think it very possible that he took on board how bad Elvis felt about not telling his father and decided not to do the same.
[BTW, I wonder what reason Elvis had for not telling his father at the beginning and why he was going to be told after 3 years. I cannot imagine making a decision like that - I can only think that it must've been for some really serious, life-threatening reason or else I can't help but view it as cold and heartless. The same goes for Lisa Marie, I can't get my head around doing that to your child.]
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I am completely saddened with some of what has been said here. I'm not going to give my arguments because they've already been presented very well by others (Souza, Sarahli, etc).
I think the opposing arguments are borderline laughable if I'm being honest... I hate to even say such things because everyone is entitled to their opinions and interpretations...but... that is how I feel. I keep getting this vibe that something fishy is going on with this. Maybe not, maybe I'm reading too much into it...
But I have to ask - Mo, are these your honest views or are you trying to test us? Or is there something that we don't know that you do? Forgive me, please don't get upset. I really don't want to argue and I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just genuinely curious because I'm just not getting it... :?
You know what? I was thinking about the same thing too. I even thought that if this could be a game or some sort of test because there's so much contradiction btw the family members, friends and collegues and I thought that some sort of contradiction had been trying to be created on the forum too. :? I know that this is not true but Mo definitely doesn't sound like herself. No offense Mo but there is no logic in your theories. Souza, navibl and Sarahli have already written what I could write so I don't want to repeat what they wrote. I lost myself once, so I do understand how you are confused. When I lost my belief in TS, I thought that I started to think "out of the box" for the first time during the hoax issue. I thought that I was going to find something different from what we were told and found. But nope, there's nothing different out there. Just weird, illogical theories with dead ends. I started to check out everything, every detail from day 1 over and over again. I thought of every single possibility. And finally I found out that TS had been so right from the beginning. I'm not attacking or humiliating you, pls do not get this post that way. But I do believe that you need to get some rest and then start looking at every details from the beginning and think of every possibility. It works, it really does. I know that you will find it out if you get some rest and start digging again. I know that you think you're right and something is wrong with TS and the hoax but it is not like that. Just give some time to yourself and you will see. I know you will. Peace and Love.
...I thought the same thing about Mo not sounding like herself. I didn't want to say anything like that. But that's exactly what it's like. Mo, it's almost like your "Mo-ness", the essensce that makes you You, isn't there. I find myself reading some things and literally shaking my head in diisbelief, NOT because your opinions are different from my own, but because they don't make much sense and usually you make a lot of sense...
Yes, this. And Mo, you won't respond to me or answer my questions or engage in debate with me at all. That's very unlike you.
In urban-ese, Mo, why you trippin? These ladies, our friends, have asked you some very legitimate questions and you've just been evasive.
NOT because your opinions are different from my own, but because they don't make much sense and usually you make a lot of sense...???
Every opinion makes sence, if you like it or not, because every human being has the right to give his/hers.
*all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights*
Who are you to judge, who gives you the rights?
I know that this is not true but Mo definitely doesn't sound like herself. No offense Mo but there is no logic in your theories.
Start reading again and perhaps you can find it.
And Mo definitely sounds like herself.
Every theory has logics in it if you like it or not.
There are always 2 sides ....yours and the other persons...
But the truth could be also somewhere in the middle...
That is the truth and nothing more and nothing less.
But the question is also....will the truth prevail....
And i am old enough to say from my own experience...
No.... Sometimes it DOES NOT.
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
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But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
I found this a rather odd thing for TS to say. It's like he's saying we can believe whatever we like if it makes it easier for us. Since when was this hoax about easy and believing whatever? Of course he's right - we CAN believe whatever we like, and to some extent we probably do - but it doesn't make it the truth. If he's about pointing us to the truth, it seemed a strange comment to me, that's all.
And regarding Elvis/MJ parallels and connections, I understood that MJ always studied 'the greats', then added his own twist/alterations - e.g. he didn't go with an open casket because it hadn't been a runaway success in Elvis' case. So, for me, just because Elvis didn't tell his father doesn't mean MJ did the same. I would think it very possible that he took on board how bad Elvis felt about not telling his father and decided not to do the same.
[BTW, I wonder what reason Elvis had for not telling his father at the beginning and why he was going to be told after 3 years. I cannot imagine making a decision like that - I can only think that it must've been for some really serious, life-threatening reason or else I can't help but view it as cold and heartless. The same goes for Lisa Marie, I can't get my head around doing that to your child.]
I agree with you curls.....why is TS doing this?!
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Souza! I just wanted to say that you have my full support. I totally agree with you.
Why are people starting to oppose the Hoax -theory WITHOUT answering all the important questions? To me it is just seems ignorant to do that when TS is the ONLY ONE so far to provide us with a big picture that makes sens and are connecting all the important pieces/dots.
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Sorry Souza, you kept repeating that Mo based her opinion on assumptions and theories, but this hoax as well is based on assumptions and theories, how do you know for sure that is what MJ really wants? Have you any kind of facts that can prove that this is indeed MJ's wish...? IF you have it please, show us, and I'm not talking about TS' posts because they are NOT enough... numbers and Tii predictions don't prove anything!
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Sorry Souza, you kept repeating that Mo based her opinion on assumptions and theories, but this hoax as well is based on assumptions and theories, how do you know for sure that is what MJ really wants? Have you any kind of facts that can prove that this is indeed MJ's wish...? IF you have it please, show us, and I'm not talking about TS' posts because they are NOT enough... numbers and Tii predictions don't prove anything!
I stated a hundred times that this is all based on assumptions and theories, please read my posts. I question Mo's theories and assumptions because to me they don't make sense and that is why I ask questions and ask her to explain her theories based on a coherent theory so that it makes sense. You and Mo both claim that we don't think for ourselves based on a theory of your own and not based on facts, and I refuted that by clearly showing I do think for myself. Until now I have had no answers to my questions. Like I said, opposing and questioning things is ok, but come up with good arguments to make your theory believable. Until then, accept that people like me will keep questioning your posts. If TS' posts are not enough for you then that is fine by me, no one says you have to believe it or read it. But when you keep violently opposing it you need to come up with arguments that actually make sense, or you will face the risk that people disagree with you.
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Sorry Souza, you kept repeating that Mo based her opinion on assumptions and theories, but this hoax as well is based on assumptions and theories, how do you know for sure that is what MJ really wants? Have you any kind of facts that can prove that this is indeed MJ's wish...? IF you have it please, show us, and I'm not talking about TS' posts because they are NOT enough... numbers and Tii predictions don't prove anything!
I stated a hundred times that this is all based on assumptions and theories, please read my posts. I question Mo's theories and assumptions because to me they don't make sense and that is why I ask questions and ask her to explain her theories based on a coherent theory so that it makes sense. You and Mo both claim that we don't think for ourselves based on a theory of your own and not based on facts, and I refuted that by clearly showing I do think for myself. Until now I have had no answers to my questions. Like I said, opposing and questioning things is ok, but come up with good arguments to make your theory believable. Until then, accept that people like me will keep questioning your posts. If TS' posts are not enough for you then that is fine by me, no one says you have to believe it or read it. But when you keep violently opposing it you need to come up with arguments that actually make sense, or you will face the risk that people disagree with you.
I have no problem if people disagree with me, but since this hoax and TS' posts are based on assumptions and theories how is it possible to not base our comments on theories and assumptions as well...? We don't know and you don't know as well...
TS wrote about the dangerous autograph and the fact that it is the proof that the hoax has a big purpose, but who said that Michael himself signed that autograph? We have seen some many MJ's signatures.... you are ASSUMING that mj himself signed it, but you could be right and you could be wrong....
Michael himself has never talked about the number 999 or 333.. again you can assume that those numbers are MJ connected... or is it the truth just because TS said it?
TS asked us to go to the media, because the world must know that MJ is still alive, but do you realize we are exposing michael jackson even if we have no proofs this is worth for HIS life?
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Sorry Souza, you kept repeating that Mo based her opinion on assumptions and theories, but this hoax as well is based on assumptions and theories, how do you know for sure that is what MJ really wants? Have you any kind of facts that can prove that this is indeed MJ's wish...? IF you have it please, show us, and I'm not talking about TS' posts because they are NOT enough... numbers and Tii predictions don't prove anything!
I stated a hundred times that this is all based on assumptions and theories, please read my posts. I question Mo's theories and assumptions because to me they don't make sense and that is why I ask questions and ask her to explain her theories based on a coherent theory so that it makes sense. You and Mo both claim that we don't think for ourselves based on a theory of your own and not based on facts, and I refuted that by clearly showing I do think for myself. Until now I have had no answers to my questions. Like I said, opposing and questioning things is ok, but come up with good arguments to make your theory believable. Until then, accept that people like me will keep questioning your posts. If TS' posts are not enough for you then that is fine by me, no one says you have to believe it or read it. But when you keep violently opposing it you need to come up with arguments that actually make sense, or you will face the risk that people disagree with you.
I have no problem if people disagree with me, but since this hoax and TS' posts are based on assumptions and theories how is it possible to not base our comments on theories and assumptions as well...? We don't know and you don't know as well...
TS wrote about the dangerous autograph and the fact that it is the proof that the hoax has a big purpose, but who said that Michael himself signed that autograph? We have seen some many MJ's signatures.... you are ASSUMING that mj himself signed it, but you could be right and you could be wrong....
Michael himself has never talked about the number 999 or 333.. again you can assume that those numbers are MJ connected... or is it the truth just because TS said it?
TS asked us to go to the media, because the world must know that MJ is still alive, but do you realize we are exposing michael jackson even if we have no proofs this is worth for HIS life?
Puff, his is going in circles and I get the feeling that whatever I say, you will oppose it. Fine, that's not my problem because I will keep backing up my replies.
The 1998 Dangerous Autograph code was signed by Mike. It was on his normal Dangerous album cover, the limited edition, on guitars, fedorahs and what else he signed. This autograph code includes 333 and 999 (if you understand the math of course) and since he signed with that autograph multiple times I would say yes, I know he mentioned those numbers himself many times. Unless you have a different thought about that of course like Mike never released the Dangerous album himself?
If you would listen to his songs, his speeches and look at his art and symbolism it is also quite clear that exposing TPTB has always been on his agenda. Unless you think he never gave those speeches or sang those songs himself, or got chicken shit and peeped out? But then I ask you: why make it so obvious that this is all a hoax? Why not just crash with a plane and get over with it? Why no open casket? Why all the BS the last 18 months (see the index of this website)?
TS' posts are just based on assumption and theory? That's your opinion, I disagree and I have said many times why I do, I will not repeat myself anymore. You and Mo seem to be desperate to debunk TS and convince others that he is a fraud. As long as that happens, I will be right here debunking your posts, because there are big holes in your theories and it is my right to point them out.
Last but not least, I will again ask you a counter question although it will probably stay unanswered like all the other questions I asked: If exposing the MJ hoax is dangerous for Mike, then WHY is this website still online? Is the whole family evil? They have not attempted once to shut this down. Never have they spoken out against it. I have always said that this site will be history as soon as the family would contact us that he is in danger because of it.
Again: I never said I was right or you were wrong, I simply said I make more sense. I am still waiting for that coherent theory that backs up your and Mo's theory.
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TS, I appreciate you taking the time for this update. Thanks again. =] :D
Good looking out! x] 8-)
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Having taken a couple of days to read and re-read update #6.5, and then sitting back to read the reactions to it, I think it's clear that whatever's been going on lately with certain members changing their opinion isn't going to be resolved by using the very thing that has caused their change of heart. Those with a strong distrust of TS will continue to have that view and those who don't will continue to have their view. Arguing over it is indeed going around in circles. TS did actually go into specifics in this update more than I expected him to in an effort to address certain concerns, however those who suspect him of deception just see this as more deception. More smoke and mirrors.
I don't know exactly what's been going on lately but in one respect the opposing views of the admins could be seen as a good thing if they're not at war with each other and the site remains. If Mo and Souza had exactly the same view on everything surely that would be more worrying? It might surprise some that Mo has started to question TS but I think we need differing viewpoints to balance us and make us think twice about everything. What intrigues me is the references to pentagrams she mentioned the other day and what she believes the significance of that is, there is a lot of what she says that makes sense but in relation to this hoax as a whole, the BIG picture, I'd like to know what her belief now is concerning all that we've seen and discovered the past 18 months, even after taking TS out of the equation. Assuming as she seems to suggest now that he is a fraud, where does that leave her as an investigator, what does she think now the real story might be? We know she has serious doubts about TS but as I've said before we're not here because of TS we're here because of Michael.
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thanks for this it is very good reading I have to go over again to take it all in! thanks again TS !!
L.O.V.E!! ;)
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Sorry Souza, you kept repeating that Mo based her opinion on assumptions and theories, but this hoax as well is based on assumptions and theories, how do you know for sure that is what MJ really wants? Have you any kind of facts that can prove that this is indeed MJ's wish...? IF you have it please, show us, and I'm not talking about TS' posts because they are NOT enough... numbers and Tii predictions don't prove anything!
I stated a hundred times that this is all based on assumptions and theories, please read my posts. I question Mo's theories and assumptions because to me they don't make sense and that is why I ask questions and ask her to explain her theories based on a coherent theory so that it makes sense. You and Mo both claim that we don't think for ourselves based on a theory of your own and not based on facts, and I refuted that by clearly showing I do think for myself. Until now I have had no answers to my questions. Like I said, opposing and questioning things is ok, but come up with good arguments to make your theory believable. Until then, accept that people like me will keep questioning your posts. If TS' posts are not enough for you then that is fine by me, no one says you have to believe it or read it. But when you keep violently opposing it you need to come up with arguments that actually make sense, or you will face the risk that people disagree with you.
I have no problem if people disagree with me, but since this hoax and TS' posts are based on assumptions and theories how is it possible to not base our comments on theories and assumptions as well...? We don't know and you don't know as well...
TS wrote about the dangerous autograph and the fact that it is the proof that the hoax has a big purpose, but who said that Michael himself signed that autograph? We have seen some many MJ's signatures.... you are ASSUMING that mj himself signed it, but you could be right and you could be wrong....
Michael himself has never talked about the number 999 or 333.. again you can assume that those numbers are MJ connected... or is it the truth just because TS said it?
TS asked us to go to the media, because the world must know that MJ is still alive, but do you realize we are exposing michael jackson even if we have no proofs this is worth for HIS life?
Puff, his is going in circles and I get the feeling that whatever I say, you will oppose it. Fine, that's not my problem because I will keep backing up my replies.
The 1998 Dangerous Autograph code was signed by Mike. It was on his normal Dangerous album cover, the limited edition, on guitars, fedorahs and what else he signed. This autograph code includes 333 and 999 (if you understand the math of course) and since he signed with that autograph multiple times I would say yes, I know he mentioned those numbers himself many times. Unless you have a different thought about that of course like Mike never released the Dangerous album himself?
If you would listen to his songs, his speeches and look at his art and symbolism it is also quite clear that exposing TPTB has always been on his agenda. Unless you think he never gave those speeches or sang those songs himself, or got chicken shit and peeped out? But then I ask you: why make it so obvious that this is all a hoax? Why not just crash with a plane and get over with it? Why no open casket? Why all the BS the last 18 months (see the index of this website)?
TS' posts are just based on assumption and theory? That's your opinion, I disagree and I have said many times why I do, I will not repeat myself anymore. You and Mo seem to be desperate to debunk TS and convince others that he is a fraud. As long as that happens, I will be right here debunking your posts, because there are big holes in your theories and it is my right to point them out.
Last but not least, I will again ask you a counter question although it will probably stay unanswered like all the other questions I asked: If exposing the MJ hoax is dangerous for Mike, then WHY is this website still online? Is the whole family evil? They have not attempted once to shut this down. Never have they spoken out against it. I have always said that this site will be history as soon as the family would contact us that he is in danger because of it.
Again: I never said I was right or you were wrong, I simply said I make more sense. I am still waiting for that coherent theory that backs up your and Mo's theory.
Who said that Michael himself didn't release the Dangerous album? I know very well that he spread that message all over his life and career but that doen't mean that he decided to hoax his death for it!
I was just saying that Michael probably didn't sign THAT autograph, and I'm curious, where is that autograph now if it has such important meaning...?
He signed various autograph with 1998 thing, but JUST one of them revealed the hoax thing, curious......
According to TS:
There are several unique things about THIS Dangerous autograph, DIFFERENT than the other 1998 autographs.
The other "1998" autographs:
(http://static.gigwise.com/gallery/5656311_IMG_1374.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iq2vQY1Jeaw/SlejGk3y6cI/AAAAAAAAOIs/oT0CMpQ2JdI/s400/MJ-fedora2.jpg)
(http://static.gigwise.com/gallery/4947749_mjmicky.jpg)
(http://i80.servimg.com/u/f80/14/20/46/34/5144_110.jpg)
Souza, maybe you don't get the point, I'm not saying that Michael is dead and they killed him, I'm saying that probably Michael didn't plan THIS hoax...
You know that the estate HAS the power to shut down websites with michael jackson name in the domains...? Food for thoughts.......
If there are holes in my theories is just because no one knows the truth so it's impossible that all the story matches perfectly. I know people prefer to take what they like the most, but this colud not be necessarly the truth and I'm just being humble in questioning TS because we don't know who is it and I've never talked to Michael one to one, like none of us ever did, including you.That's why I feel very unconfortable exposing MJ to the media. It's sad that people seem to forget all of a sudden what Michael has always thought about the media. It seems like they're more intrigued with all that happened after June 25, 2009 rather than Michael's message and life.Of course he gave those speeches and sang those songs himself, but this doesn't explain the use of those numbers the way TS wrote. It remains a theory. We didn't see an open casket just because he wasn't inside of course. Again, that doesn't suggest this is an hoax the way you call it. I see the index of this website and many of those you call clues maybe are like that just because you want to see them like that. Souza, I really think that your idea of this website being history one day has completely made you blind. The Jackson family will never contact you because they've got better and more serious things to deal with. This website won't be shut down as well as the other many death hoax forums. Michael faked his death and most likely he'd better think about how to be in contact with his kids, just to give you an example. Or do you think he is monitoring this forum day by day? I'm not saying you are wrong and I am right, I'm just saying I make more sense.
P.S
you are not debunking my post, you are just twisting words...
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Sorry Souza, you kept repeating that Mo based her opinion on assumptions and theories, but this hoax as well is based on assumptions and theories, how do you know for sure that is what MJ really wants? Have you any kind of facts that can prove that this is indeed MJ's wish...? IF you have it please, show us, and I'm not talking about TS' posts because they are NOT enough... numbers and Tii predictions don't prove anything!
I stated a hundred times that this is all based on assumptions and theories, please read my posts. I question Mo's theories and assumptions because to me they don't make sense and that is why I ask questions and ask her to explain her theories based on a coherent theory so that it makes sense. You and Mo both claim that we don't think for ourselves based on a theory of your own and not based on facts, and I refuted that by clearly showing I do think for myself. Until now I have had no answers to my questions. Like I said, opposing and questioning things is ok, but come up with good arguments to make your theory believable. Until then, accept that people like me will keep questioning your posts. If TS' posts are not enough for you then that is fine by me, no one says you have to believe it or read it. But when you keep violently opposing it you need to come up with arguments that actually make sense, or you will face the risk that people disagree with you.
I have no problem if people disagree with me, but since this hoax and TS' posts are based on assumptions and theories how is it possible to not base our comments on theories and assumptions as well...? We don't know and you don't know as well...
TS wrote about the dangerous autograph and the fact that it is the proof that the hoax has a big purpose, but who said that Michael himself signed that autograph? We have seen some many MJ's signatures.... you are ASSUMING that mj himself signed it, but you could be right and you could be wrong....
Michael himself has never talked about the number 999 or 333.. again you can assume that those numbers are MJ connected... or is it the truth just because TS said it?
TS asked us to go to the media, because the world must know that MJ is still alive, but do you realize we are exposing michael jackson even if we have no proofs this is worth for HIS life?
Puff, his is going in circles and I get the feeling that whatever I say, you will oppose it. Fine, that's not my problem because I will keep backing up my replies.
The 1998 Dangerous Autograph code was signed by Mike. It was on his normal Dangerous album cover, the limited edition, on guitars, fedorahs and what else he signed. This autograph code includes 333 and 999 (if you understand the math of course) and since he signed with that autograph multiple times I would say yes, I know he mentioned those numbers himself many times. Unless you have a different thought about that of course like Mike never released the Dangerous album himself?
If you would listen to his songs, his speeches and look at his art and symbolism it is also quite clear that exposing TPTB has always been on his agenda. Unless you think he never gave those speeches or sang those songs himself, or got chicken shit and peeped out? But then I ask you: why make it so obvious that this is all a hoax? Why not just crash with a plane and get over with it? Why no open casket? Why all the BS the last 18 months (see the index of this website)?
TS' posts are just based on assumption and theory? That's your opinion, I disagree and I have said many times why I do, I will not repeat myself anymore. You and Mo seem to be desperate to debunk TS and convince others that he is a fraud. As long as that happens, I will be right here debunking your posts, because there are big holes in your theories and it is my right to point them out.
Last but not least, I will again ask you a counter question although it will probably stay unanswered like all the other questions I asked: If exposing the MJ hoax is dangerous for Mike, then WHY is this website still online? Is the whole family evil? They have not attempted once to shut this down. Never have they spoken out against it. I have always said that this site will be history as soon as the family would contact us that he is in danger because of it.
Again: I never said I was right or you were wrong, I simply said I make more sense. I am still waiting for that coherent theory that backs up your and Mo's theory.
Who said that Michael himself didn't release the Dangerous album? I know very well that he spread that message all over his life and career but that doen't mean that he decided to hoax his death for it!
I was just saying that Michael probably didn't sign THAT autograph, and I'm curious, where is that autograph now if it has such important meaning...?
He signed various autograph with 1998 thing, but JUST one of them revealed the hoax thing, curious......
Souza, maybe you don't get the point, I'm not saying that Michael is dead and they killed him, I'm saying that probably Michael didn't plan THIS hoax...
You know that the estate HAS the power to shut down websites with michael jackson name in the domains...? Food for thoughts.......
If there are holes in my theories is just because no one knows the truth so it's impossible that all the story matches perfectly. I know people prefer to take what they like the most, but this colud not be necessarly the truth and I'm just being humble in questioning TS because we don't know who is it and I've never talked to Michael one to one, like none of us ever did, including you.That's why I feel very unconfortable exposing MJ to the media. It's sad that people seem to forget all of a sudden what Michael has always thought about the media. It seems like they're more intrigued with all that happened after June 25, 2009 rather than Michael's message and life.Of course he gave those speeches and sang those songs himself, but this doesn't explain the use of those numbers the way TS wrote. It remains a theory. We didn't see an open casket just because he wasn't inside of course. Again, that doesn't suggest this is an hoax the way you call it. I see the index of this website and many of those you call clues maybe are like that just because you want to see them like that. Souza, I really think that your idea of this website being history one day has completely made you blind. The Jackson family will never contact you because they've got better and more serious things to deal with. This website won't be shut down as well as the other many death hoax forums. Michael faked his death and most likely he'd better think about how to be in contact with his kids, just to give you an example. Or do you think he is monitoring this forum day by day? I'm not saying you are wrong and I am right, I'm just saying I make more sense.
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you are not debunking my post, you are just twisting words...
I'm sorry Puff but we are many who think that you are not making much sense (no offence) because you don't answerer Souza questions and you don't provide us with a big picture of things... I don't know about all of you guys but to me what Souza says makes much more sense ;)
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I know people prefer to take what they like the most, but this colud not be necessarly the truth and I'm just being humble in questioning TS
You call that humble? Throwing accusations at people like that while you are even admitting yourself now it's only just a theory? That's not humble at all, that's just plain wrong. And I don't take what I like most, I think and use my head and I can see the bigger picture here.
Souza, I really think that your idea of this website being history one day has completely made you blind.
Blind? As in what? What do I not see here? Your logic? No I don't see your logic, does that make me blind? So in other words people that do not support your theory full of holes are blind sheep? Again: is that humble? I asked many times to come up with a coherent theory to support your claims and I haven't seen one still. I have never said you were blind not to believe me, please reread my posts. I also never attacked anyone for his/her opinion, I only opposed it with valid arguments, like I do with everything I disagree with. As soon as I reply to Mo, I get you on my back, attacking me by saying I am blind? What's up Puff? What's the deal here? And where did I say history? I think I used the word ARCHIVE.
Again, your theory and Mo's do not make sense at all so far and if you want to convince people, provide us with a story that does make sense. Since this is going in circles and both you and Mo have seem to have made up your minds about this, I am done. I have posted enough good arguments to support my point of view and I am repeating myself. If you don't want to see it, then don't see it. And please do not twist MY words. I have asked you lots of questions to support your theory, you answered ZERO. Answer them before you question me, because I took the effort many times already to answer your questions.
The fact that you have another opinion doesn't mean yours is right and others are blind sheep Puff. Note that I never claimed that the other way around. Why are you so desperate to convince people with your shaky theory?
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Mo is presenting his opinion in an intelligent manner, I see nothing unreasonable about it. Remember that we are investigating theories and not facts, along this research can change your mind or to present research from a different point of view or in a "multicontextual."
My personal opinion about the case of Eliza is Eliza's case was not clarified by TS, still persist in my doubts and confusion, I must say I'm not saying that the DNA submitted by Eliza is false, simply did not meet the protocol legal gathering, and now is the fact that handwriting results are not accepted by the courts according to research published by Serenitys_Dream. Perhaps TS refirion Eliza both the case of scientific evidence and proof that Elvis is alive, but he also spoke of the double "BAM" this past summer Eliza referring to the success of the court and we are seeing that the case is complicated.
This evidence may make the judge makes his own personal interpretation of a subjective way and forget about the legal protocol?, I do not know, am not a lawyer or judge or pretend to be, I'll wait to see what happens.
I think the acceptance of the views of others is an act of maturity, I can accept other opinions even disagree with them, but quite immature completely deny
To accept and integrate critical observations on the other (positive or negative), it is important to know listening and reading. Seemingly, we all know to do so. In practice, many people have authentic difficulties to do so. Contrary, practise selective reading. I.e. selected unconsciously fragments that were tells them, what they want to read or hear, and not all of the message. I or any of us can not be based on an idea or theory, so that idea or theory come TS,... or Michael Jackson.
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paula, if you would read all the comments you will see I have never said I dismissed any theory, I asked Mo and Puff to explain their theories, like they urged TS to explain himself. The theories Mo and Puff present are inaccurate and don't make sense. I am not the only one who feels about it that way, see other comments as well. I think calling people blind sheep that follow anything TS said is immature and even disrespectful and therefore I have the full right to voice my opinion on that. I never stated anything like that. Please reread all my posts and stay fair about this.
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TS, whoever you are (Triple Seven, as mentioned in this thread might come very close ;), I may be right or wrong in my assumptions and hope you will be able to reveal your identity some day, as you said. Even if you post(ed) under different usernames /different writing styles, I think I would feel you). I wish you health, safety and well-being. I do understand - more than words can tell.
The Elvis-connection is undeniable and I am aware of the fact that everything going on in this matter, be it legal cases or estate affairs, cannot be dealt with as they are done under "normal" circumstances, because the people involved have been officially declared "dead", which makes it extremely difficult, if lives are at stake f.e.
You are a brilliant writer, and I like to read between the lines a lot, no matter how long your posts are.
Your latest post helps me understand more than I did before, even if not everything is on the surface.
In a time where some people tend to write superficial texts, you take great care to compose a text and have something to say with a meaning.
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
I shall believe in your integrity as long as I have not been convinced of the contrary, which has not happened up to now.
Please, forgive all doubters, don't take it personally. It's all for a common goal - to find the truth, justice for people, who may not be in a position to fight for it themselves.
All attacks are justified, as those who have doubts, are only looking for the reliability of the information itself.
It is hard to tell who is behind a username, be it XYZ, TS, an admin, a moderator, just any bloody name can hide someone you didn't expect.
So it is only a way of protection not to be too blind and ask questions.
We have been fooled so many times in this "hoax", and we don't want to be fooled again.
Everybody with a common sense of mind understands: This is real, not fiction.
All members here have their detective glasses on and are looking for answers.
Whenever you want to communicate and tell us something, please do. I am looking forward to it :!: and hope you come back often.
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I know people prefer to take what they like the most, but this colud not be necessarly the truth and I'm just being humble in questioning TS
You call that humble? Throwing accusations at people like that while you are even admitting yourself now it's only just a theory? That's not humble at all, that's just plain wrong. And I don't take what I like most, I think and use my head and I can see the bigger picture here.
Souza, I really think that your idea of this website being history one day has completely made you blind.
Blind? As in what? What do I not see here? Your logic? No I don't see your logic, does that make me blind? So in other words people that do not support your theory full of holes are blind sheep? Again: is that humble? I asked many times to come up with a coherent theory to support your claims and I haven't seen one still. I have never said you were blind not to believe me, please reread my posts. I also never attacked anyone for his/her opinion, I only opposed it with valid arguments, like I do with everything I disagree with. As soon as I reply to Mo, I get you on my back, attacking me by saying I am blind? What's up Puff? What's the deal here? And where did I say history? I think I used the word ARCHIVE.
Again, your theory and Mo's do not make sense at all so far and if you want to convince people, provide us with a story that does make sense. Since this is going in circles and both you and Mo have seem to have made up your minds about this, I am done. I have posted enough good arguments to support my point of view and I am repeating myself. If you don't want to see it, then don't see it. And please do not twist MY words. I have asked you lots of questions to support your theory, you answered ZERO. Answer them before you question me, because I took the effort many times already to answer your questions.
The fact that you have another opinion doesn't mean yours is right and others are blind sheep Puff. Note that I never claimed that the other way around. Why are you so desperate to convince people with your shaky theory?
Well Souza, and what did you do? Didn't you silence all those people who opposed to TS/TIAI? I was not born yesterday, I know what happened … So the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't need to convince anyone, I provided you enough FACTS that you have rejected just with: "TS said so, and TS claimed so….. " TS is not gospel…. Again, what TS stated is REALLY what Michael wants?
and yes, all this story made you blind, you rejected Michael's words, just because TS claimed the contrary, what can I call it…? You can call it: " think for yourself" I call it "following someone blindly".. We agree to disagree.
You can come up with the fact that nobody has debunked the dangerous autograph, I can say that the last "6" is not a "6" but a "0", again my vision against yours. I can say that the 'arrow' doesn't mean "subtract" in maths, but then you will come up with something else… It will be an endless story…
I'm not going to repeat myself, keep ignoring what I've already provided you ~you skipped the whole "dangerous autograph" part in my previous reply ( and all the other replies that I gave you during those days as well) ~ that's fine by me, but don't tell me that I didn't give you anything because maybe YOU need to re-read all my posts and if you don't find them logical then that' s not my problem anymore…
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~Souza~ worte:
paula, if you would read all the comments you will see I have never said I dismissed any theory, I asked Mo and Puff to explain their theories, like they urged TS to explain himself. The theories Mo and Puff present are inaccurate and don't make sense. I am not the only one who feels about it that way, see other comments as well. I think calling people blind sheep that follow anything TS said is immature and even disrespectful and therefore I have the full right to voice my opinion on that. I never stated anything like that. Please reread all my posts and stay fair about this.
Well, actually not that Mo call people sheep, would have to explain herself.
I also asked him a very polite to TS an explanation in relation to the case of Eliza, and I say, for me his explanation was not clear, I think is a little annoying that, because some people will ask for an explanation This was one of his answers, and what I wrote:
Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again.
paula-c wrote:
TS wrote :In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
In this respect, indeed, my apologies for having asked for an explanation.
Should I admit that when I wrote apologizing for having TS asked for an explanation I was a little ironic, because I had the perception that TS with that response was a little proud, as he himself said it is your choice if you write or not write and nothing is going to force to send another post, so I will refrain from asking explanations and I'm going to wait and see how things are happening.
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I know people prefer to take what they like the most, but this colud not be necessarly the truth and I'm just being humble in questioning TS
You call that humble? Throwing accusations at people like that while you are even admitting yourself now it's only just a theory? That's not humble at all, that's just plain wrong. And I don't take what I like most, I think and use my head and I can see the bigger picture here.
Souza, I really think that your idea of this website being history one day has completely made you blind.
Blind? As in what? What do I not see here? Your logic? No I don't see your logic, does that make me blind? So in other words people that do not support your theory full of holes are blind sheep? Again: is that humble? I asked many times to come up with a coherent theory to support your claims and I haven't seen one still. I have never said you were blind not to believe me, please reread my posts. I also never attacked anyone for his/her opinion, I only opposed it with valid arguments, like I do with everything I disagree with. As soon as I reply to Mo, I get you on my back, attacking me by saying I am blind? What's up Puff? What's the deal here? And where did I say history? I think I used the word ARCHIVE.
Again, your theory and Mo's do not make sense at all so far and if you want to convince people, provide us with a story that does make sense. Since this is going in circles and both you and Mo have seem to have made up your minds about this, I am done. I have posted enough good arguments to support my point of view and I am repeating myself. If you don't want to see it, then don't see it. And please do not twist MY words. I have asked you lots of questions to support your theory, you answered ZERO. Answer them before you question me, because I took the effort many times already to answer your questions.
The fact that you have another opinion doesn't mean yours is right and others are blind sheep Puff. Note that I never claimed that the other way around. Why are you so desperate to convince people with your shaky theory?
Well Souza, and what did you do? Didn't you silence all those people who opposed to TS/TIAI? I was not born yesterday, I know what happened … So the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't need to convince anyone, I provided you enough FACTS that you have rejected just with: "TS said so, and TS claimed so….. " TS is not gospel…. Again, what TS stated is REALLY what Michael wants?
and yes, all this story made you blind, you rejected Michael's words, just because TS claimed the contrary, what can I call it…? You can call it: " think for yourself" I call it "following someone blindly".. We agree to disagree.
You can come up with the fact that nobody has debunked the dangerous autograph, I can say that the last "6" is not a "6" but a "0", again my vision against yours. I can say that the 'arrow' doesn't mean "subtract" in maths, but then you will come up with something else… It will be an endless story…
I'm not going to repeat myself, keep ignoring what I've already provided you ~you skipped the whole "dangerous autograph" part in my previous reply ( and all the other replies that I gave you during those days as well) ~ that's fine by me, but don't tell me that I didn't give you anything because maybe YOU need to re-read all my posts and if you don't find them logical then that' s not my problem anymore…
Again and for the last time: what facts Puff? And you didn't answer any of my questions, you only attacked TS' posts so that's what I refuted. My problem is and never has been questioning things or TS for that matter, it is and always has been disrespect to others. That's all I have to say to you and yes, let's agree to disagree. But next time get your facts straight before you throw mud in people's faces.
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I know people prefer to take what they like the most, but this colud not be necessarly the truth and I'm just being humble in questioning TS
You call that humble? Throwing accusations at people like that while you are even admitting yourself now it's only just a theory? That's not humble at all, that's just plain wrong. And I don't take what I like most, I think and use my head and I can see the bigger picture here.
Souza, I really think that your idea of this website being history one day has completely made you blind.
Blind? As in what? What do I not see here? Your logic? No I don't see your logic, does that make me blind? So in other words people that do not support your theory full of holes are blind sheep? Again: is that humble? I asked many times to come up with a coherent theory to support your claims and I haven't seen one still. I have never said you were blind not to believe me, please reread my posts. I also never attacked anyone for his/her opinion, I only opposed it with valid arguments, like I do with everything I disagree with. As soon as I reply to Mo, I get you on my back, attacking me by saying I am blind? What's up Puff? What's the deal here? And where did I say history? I think I used the word ARCHIVE.
Again, your theory and Mo's do not make sense at all so far and if you want to convince people, provide us with a story that does make sense. Since this is going in circles and both you and Mo have seem to have made up your minds about this, I am done. I have posted enough good arguments to support my point of view and I am repeating myself. If you don't want to see it, then don't see it. And please do not twist MY words. I have asked you lots of questions to support your theory, you answered ZERO. Answer them before you question me, because I took the effort many times already to answer your questions.
The fact that you have another opinion doesn't mean yours is right and others are blind sheep Puff. Note that I never claimed that the other way around. Why are you so desperate to convince people with your shaky theory?
Well Souza, and what did you do? Didn't you silence all those people who opposed to TS/TIAI? I was not born yesterday, I know what happened … So the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't need to convince anyone, I provided you enough FACTS that you have rejected just with: "TS said so, and TS claimed so….. " TS is not gospel…. Again, what TS stated is REALLY what Michael wants?
and yes, all this story made you blind, you rejected Michael's words, just because TS claimed the contrary, what can I call it…? You can call it: " think for yourself" I call it "following someone blindly".. We agree to disagree.
You can come up with the fact that nobody has debunked the dangerous autograph, I can say that the last "6" is not a "6" but a "0", again my vision against yours. I can say that the 'arrow' doesn't mean "subtract" in maths, but then you will come up with something else… It will be an endless story…
I'm not going to repeat myself, keep ignoring what I've already provided you ~you skipped the whole "dangerous autograph" part in my previous reply ( and all the other replies that I gave you during those days as well) ~ that's fine by me, but don't tell me that I didn't give you anything because maybe YOU need to re-read all my posts and if you don't find them logical then that' s not my problem anymore…
Again and for the last time: what facts Puff? And you didn't answer any of my questions, you only attacked TS' posts so that's what I refuted. My problem is and never has been questioning things or TS for that matter, it is and always has been disrespect to others. That's all I have to say to you and yes, let's agree to disagree. But next time get your facts straight before you throw mud in people's faces.
For the last time... I GAVE you the 1998 autograph fact (and not only that), but you chose to ignore it.
Don't forget, TS gave you ASSUMPTIONS about it......
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First of all TS's post arent any more better than any of ours or any less than ours. I feel that everyone who has posted on this forum has either had thought of something no one else has thought of or helped someone who felt they couldnt go on anymore. I like the bit in the TS post that says something along the lines of they dont post straight away as they would respond in an emotive way which could bring problems/arguments on the forum. Also if TS is who they say they are and if it is in fact MJ then we are sorry TS but we get vocal when it comes to figuring out the truth and also we on the forum dont want to add anymore pressure on MJ because he has gone through enough already.
To those on the forum,the thing we have in common is believing MJ is alive but we must act in a mature and respectful way, the closer we get to the end of this hoax the more difficult it will get,there is no doubt about that. We should all start on a clean slate starting now. I appreciate each and everyone one this forum and I'm sure everyone appreciates each other on here too. I pray we can get through this together and united. We are all brothers and sisters here and we dont stand before or behind one another but we stand together.
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Sooo done with this thread. This is not good for my inner chi. :lol: Instead I'm going to go take a chill pill and meditate.... who's with me?
But seriously, done with it. I'm feeling as if I'm missing vital information for some reason, so I'm not going to judge any of it. Oh how I wish we could all get together in one room and speak to each other normally...so many things get miscontrued and I think this medium of communication is the culprit, just because so many things can be "lost in translation" if you will, and we miss important things like body language and tone of voice, not to mention cultural differences...making it very easy to misunderstand or not fully understand each other...
Anyways, I'm going take a chill pill and meditate a little later today. Right now I need coffee :shock: :lol: Hope you all have a lovely time here... see you on the other threads! 8-)
xoxo,
jaci
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
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Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
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Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
With L.O.V.E
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Good Lord... :shock:
I vote for T-shirts all around! :lol: :lol: :lol: It's all for L.O.V.E. remember?
I support you Souza. From what little I know of Mo; it doesn't sound like her, so I understand all the questioning. I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum. That Sucks.
Keep The Faith guys <3
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
People, it is a quite funny situation... You fight for who disagree's more with the other side... There is logic in all sides and that should be respected. And why seeing red flags? For someone checking in his laptop twice a day for new posts your reaction is amusing. What could I possibly do? Cast a spell on you through the internet and change your minds? :lol:
Anyway, I said that about *Mo*, because people kept telling her she lost herself and things like that. Changing one's mind could also mean reconsideration. And I vote for that in this case. Of course I was not here to defend you from the attacks made to you. I am not a savior or anything like that. I just felt the same misunderstanding on her views as well in mine, Puff's and other people's here, so I answered. Although, I have to admit that my being linked to some kind of conspirancy was quite predictable. I don't care after all.
But, note that not everything is motivated by "the dark side of the force". Stop searching for Darth Sidious. Personally I am more like Qui-Gon Jinn, if you know what I mean... :)
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I dont like too make parties. We are all the same.. But what Souza says make sense for me. and for that, I support her!
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Reg flags meaning there's more to the story then is being presented and deception is likely.
Call it instinct or a gut feeling or whatever you like, but there's bad juju out n about with this situ.
Woo woo, you know?
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Sooo done with this thread. This is not good for my inner chi. :lol: Instead I'm going to go take a chill pill and meditate.... who's with me?
I am soo with you. Soo done with this whole rediculous debate. I will chose to believe what I see as reasonable. Period.
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@Uranus...I'm not really familiar with the "newer" installmants of the Star Wars series. I'm more of "the original three) kind-of-girl. I felt it necessary to do some digging, so that I would know who you are "like." So that we ALL may "compare and contrast", here are the Wiki's for the two characters that you mentioned:
"...But, note that not everything is motivated by "the dark side of the force". Stop searching for Darth Sidious. Personally I am more like Qui-Gon Jinn, if you know what I mean..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qui-Gon_Jinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qui-Gon_Jinn)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpatine)
Good Jedi vs. bad Jedi. I like Qui-Gon better. :)
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
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Souza you have my full support , not because I believe in TS , as I have Honestly always been confused as to wether he's an informer or a 'hoaxer'
What I don't understand though is why are people questioning the the numerogoly TS has presented to us right now.. Ive always had these questions in my mind , and I find it rather odd , that some are questioning those things right now as it is something new , while numerology has been a big part of TS posts since the beginning..
I think Mo made really good points on this thread though..
*thinking*
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
I second this. Those videos are to valuable to loose. :(
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
I second this. Those videos are to valuable to loose. :(
Already uploading them again to my other account, but it might take a few days :lol:
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~Souza~ wrote.
frogh777 wrote:
*Mo* wrote:
MsTrinity333 wrote:
I've also noticed to my that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
Answer
Web Sheriff is an internet policing company based in the United Kingdom. It acts for the rights of its clients against a wide range of media copyright infringement, privacy violations, trademark infringement and domain name squatting.[1][2][3] The company also generates official content for its clients by designing, building and maintaining websites, YouTube channels, MySpace pages and the like. It produces video edits for several of its household name clients and also manufactures watermarked CDs and DVDs as well as providing individually watermarked streams of audio and video.[4] Clients include record labels and musical artists, media organizations, newspapers, broadcasters, film companies and celebrities.[5][2] It enforces online rights management for record labels and film companies by managing album and movie leaks and is most notable for policing blogs, BitTorrent trackers, file-sharing sites, film-sharing sites and websites that are offering downloads of copyrighted music and film. Web Sheriff initially interacts by sending "take-down" notices to the offending parties.[6]
Although most of the company's work relies heavily on the entertainment industry with enforcing copyright and new release protection, it handles all forms of illegal activity on the internet. It has been instrumental in the removal of Ken Bigley execution videos and has closed down terrorist related sites[7] as well as the extreme pornographic strangulation sites at the center of the notorious Jane Longhurst 2003 murder trial at the Old Bailey in London, England.[8][9]
Described as "Europe's leading policing specialist",[10] Web Sheriff was founded in 2000 by former music business lawyer, John Giacobbi who acts as managing director.[11] Former deputy chairman of G-Cap Media, Steve Orchard serves as chairman of the company, which has operations in two offices in the UK and a work team of 20 patrolling the web 24/7.[5][1][12]
Operating methods
Web Sheriff uses web-crawler programmers for searching, as well as human auditing and investigations;[7] it relies heavily on phone calls and relationship building rather than merely on technology. It does not use technical means to illegally interfere with a music-sharing site or add bogus files but targets the persons running the sites.[13] The most common problem the company deals with is the leaking of pre-released albums and movies.[14] If an MP3 pirated track shows up on a tracking site or BitTorrent, fan blog or website, the copyright offending sites are asked politely to take down the postings and only upon non-compliance is the ISP notified to forcibly remove the content or close down the website.[7] Some of the BitTorrent sites give Web Sheriff access to remove the files themselves.[1] The company's premise is that "most file sharing is done by highly enthusiastic fans. We just try to educate them about the harm they might be committing."[6] Web Sheriff has further stated that "while we do take down sites illegally sharing files, we also then direct them to sources of legal and official music, such as promotional tracks or YouTube channels."[15]
[edit] Fan reactions
Music fans and bloggers often respond angrily when first requested by Web Sheriff to take down MP3 tracks or to not post them on the music-related site. Web Sheriff's usual approach is an appeal to the fans to respect the wishes of the band with offers of links to approved tracks and samples for the new album. Fans sometimes interpret this as Web Sheriff saying, "I've got my eye on you."[16] But eventually most of the fans tend to respect the wishes of their favored artists by cooperating. The Prodigy fans on the brainkiller forum engaged with Web Sheriff on a thread that lasted through 18 pages. Some of the fans who had been hostile at the beginning, then asked what they could do to help the band.[14] Bit Torrent file sharers are much more resistant to a friendly approach and may be sent letters threatening the consequences of non-compliance with civil or criminal charges being instigated.[7]
[edit] Clients: MICHAEL JACKSON
Clients are predominantly from the United States and United Kingdom and include Bryan Adams,[14][17] Adele,[18] Animal Collective,[1] Antony and the Johnsons,[1][7] Arctic Monkeys,[14][19] Estate of Chet Baker,[20] The Black Crowes,[21] Bloc Party,[22][23][12] Broken Bells,[24] Chicane,[25][12] Depeche Mode,[1] Bob Dylan,[26] Franz Ferdinand,[7] The Hold Steady,[4] Michael Jackson,[27][28] Estate of Bob Marley,[29] George Michael,[19][12] Moby,[6] Mogwai,[4] Van Morrison,[14][1] The New Pornographers,[30] Cat Power,[4] Prince,[1] The Prodigy,[14][17] The Raconteurs,[31] The Shins,[6] Sonic Youth,[32] Spoon,[33] Third Eye Blind,[34] Travis,[12] UB40,[29] Vampire Weekend,[5] Village People,[13][30] The White Stripes,[14][1][12] Yo La Tengo[30] and Thom Yorke.[7] Record labels that are represented include Columbia Records,[35] Matador Records,[4] Warner Bros. Records,[31] Universal, Ministry of Sound,[36] Domino Records,[37] V2 Records,[19] XL Recordings,[18] Cooking Vinyl[14] and Rough Trade Records.[4] Film distribution companies such as Magnolia Pictures,[7][38] and BreakThru Films have hired Web Sheriff's services in order to get their copyrighted content removed from websites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Sheriff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Sheriff)
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http://www.godfire.net/words.html (http://www.godfire.net/words.html)
The Words That We Speak
The words that we speak, are they life or death? Do they give us hope or discouragement? Since we are held responsible for every word we speak, I think we had better listen very carefully to what we are saying, not just to our brethren, but also to ourselves. Notice what Jesus said: "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned" (Mt.12:36-37). Let us look at the words, justified and condemned a little more closely. By being Justified -- we are being freed from all blame, we are without guilt and we are shown or proven to be right. Condemned means -- to be pronounced unfit for use, guilty. By our own words we can be free from blame and without guilt, or we can pronounce ourselves guilty and unfit for the use of God. If it is the Word of God -- it is Life, it is freedom. If it is ourselves speaking -- it is death, and words of death will destroy, kill everyone that hears us; and not only they who hear us, but ourselves as well. Proverbs 18:21 says, "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."
So what do we love -- Life or death? What are we eating, and what are we 'living' on? Is it Life or Death? It is one or the other. Let us quote Proverbs 18:21 again, it says that "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof." And in 18:20, "A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled." Is our belly satisfied and filled with life, which is Christ, and live; or are we filled with the manna of death, which is an enemy, and die? Let it be life, and then this verse will come to pass, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (1 Cor.15:26).
All evil comes forth from the heart and proceeds out of the mouth. " The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jer 17:9). "...For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" (Mat 12:34). "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies" (Mat 15:18-19). We need the circumcision that is of the heart, by the spirit (Rom 2:29), then the evil that comes out of our hearts will cease. "And I will give them one new heart, and I will put a new Spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh" (Ezek 11:19).
Let us take a moment to see what the heart expresses through the tongue. "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and is set on fire of hell, for every kind of beast, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" (Jms.3:6-11). I could go on with the rest of the verses, but I am sure you can read the whole chapter yourself, which is very good.
Has anyone ever said something negative to you, and you just wilted and felt like you had died inside, or perhaps they said some beautiful words to you, then you just blossomed like a flower. This is the way of the tongue. Let us, therefore, tend to life with our tongue, which may seem to be an impossible task; but be assured with God all things are possible (Mk 9:23). We will and shall be able to tame the tongue and only speak living words of life and reality. In Proverbs 26:20 we also find these words: "Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth." When our wood, hay and stubble is consumed, the carnal fire has gone out, but the eternal flame of God will burn for ever. Praise God Hallelujah!
We can see there is a negative (dark) side, but there is always a positive (light) side as well. What is important to us is that which is positive, that which gives us life eternal, and we know our life comes from God the Father through Christ Jesus, Who is the savior of all man. It is good to know the dark side of things, so we can stand against the wiles of evil, but it is so much better to live and have our being in the positive (the side of light and life).
I myself want to live. What about you? I know the answer to that. We are all wanting to live, and not just live but to live life more abundantly.
So now that we know we are all wanting to live, let us look at some of the scriptures that speak of those things that give us life:
Proverbs 10:20 says, "The tongue of the just is as choice silver", (silver speaks of redemption & righteousness),( see also Proverbs 25:4-5 and Psa. 12:6).
"A wholesome tongue is a tree of life" (Prov. 15:4), and we know that Jesus Christ is the Tree of Life -- ever living (Rev. 2:7).
"The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life" (Prov.10 :11), and John 4:14 tells us that He (Jesus) is the water for the thirsty. Jesus also said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto Me, and drink" (John 7:37). "In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found..." (Prov. 10:13), "...and with wisdom the house is built" (Prov. 24:3-4).
"The lips of the righteous feed many" (Prov. 10-21), and Jesus said, "Feed My sheep" (John 21:15-17).
To have all the words of life we must be circumcised in the heart and put on the mind of Christ, also communicate, and have an intimate relationship with Him, with Christ the living Spirit which dwells in us. And He is in us, don't we know? "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach" (Rom. 10:8). You see He is so close, in our mouths and in our hearts -- so why don't we speak words of Life and Live? Because our hearts first need to be circumcised and we need to have His mind. "Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Rom 2:12). "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways" (James 1:8). We know a double mind can mean death or life. And "For to be carnally (fleshly) minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace" (Rom 8:6). As long as we are thinking or speaking negatively of anything or anybody, we do not have His mind, nor are our hearts circumcised. We die each time we utter ill words, they cause us to abide in death. To walk in His life, we must have His fullness and His mind. There cannot be any negative thoughts or words spoken, because they will result in death. As long as we possess carnal minds, we have death, we are dying, and we will go to the grave.
Jesus tells us in John 5:19 "The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." He also said in John 14:24, "...The word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me."
Can you see what Jesus is saying to us? We have to hear the Father and speak what we hear. Let me make this very plain. We can know the Bible from one end to the other, have it all memorized in these heads of ours, and we can tell the world all about it, till we are blue in the face; but without the Spirit, and if God did not tell us to speak -- it is death!
Jesus, in John 6:63, said, "It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life." Do you see it? The flesh profits nothing -- the carnal mind, the written word. Second Corinthians.3:6 says, "...The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." So let us not speak the scriptures for the sake of being heard; but let it be the Spirit that quickens -- makes alive. So when the Spirit moves through us, let us speak like it says in 1 Corinthians 2:4-7, "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory. "And now, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus..." (Phil 2:5). Then the words that we speak are Spirit and Life. They glorify God, not ourselves! Amen.
Margit H. Roach
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:3-5&version=NIV)
Matthew 7:3-5 (New International Version, ©2010)
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
http://www.successconsciousness.com/index_000087.htm (http://www.successconsciousness.com/index_000087.htm)
The World's Illusion, Spiritual Awakening and Enlightenment
By Remez Sasson
The world around us looks so real, and to proclaim that it is only an illusion may seem sheer nonsense. How can it be? Yet, it is possible to accept this idea. I believe you agree with me, if I say that the body is some sort of an extraordinary machine. It is made up of a combination of materials, but it functions as a unit. Can you say confidently that you are the body? Are you the hair that is cut and thrown away when you go to the hairdresser? Are you your fingers nails, nose, legs or thighs?
The body changes through the years, do you really feel that you are this changing form?
Many thoughts pass through the mind every day. Can you say that you are any one of these thoughts? They are like a movie that plays in front of your eyes. Do you remember what you thought one hour ago? Yesterday? How can these thoughts be the real you if they always come and go? You think them, but you are not them.
The same thing goes for your feelings. What do you think is more correct to say, "I am angry", "I am sad", "I am happy" or "I am letting feelings of anger, sadness or happiness to occupy my consciousness for a while"? As with thoughts, feelings and emotions pass through you, they come and they go. You cannot be your feelings, which constantly change.
Then who are you? After reading the above, do you still believe that you the body, feeling and thoughts, or something beyond them? To know who you really are, you have to take your awareness beyond the mind. The answer comes when you are able to transcend your mind. Spiritual traditions and experience say that you are an inseparable part of the eternal, impersonal consciousness that created the world and infused life into everything, including this conglomeration of body, feelings and thoughts that you call "me".
This homogenous, indivisible, impersonal Consciousness manifests in and through everything. It is the life principle of the manifestation that you consider to be yourself. The manifestation, which is the combination of body, thoughts and feelings, is nothing without this life principle. This Life Principle - Consciousness, is the only real thing, and every manifestation is created by it, and therefore is dependent on it.
Can you become aware of this Consciousness? When you develop some inner detachment and inner peace, you will be able to turn your attention within you, instead of to the external world, and then you will become aware of the Consciousness that is beyond the mind.
Silence of the mind is the prerequisite for becoming aware of this Consciousness. Only when the mind is silenced and there are no thoughts, you realize who you really are - the vast, eternal Consciousness.
This is also what has been called enlightenment. This is what yogis, saints and seekers on the spiritual path seek. Through constant meditation the mind is made quiet. Then, from deep inside will rise great silence, peace, bliss and consciousness. Then you will know who you really are. This is enlightenment.
The way to spiritual awakening is open for everyone. Only attachment and erroneous thoughts and concepts hide it. It can come suddenly, and it can come gradually. The funny thing is that you do not have to search for it, and you do not need to reach anywhere. All you have to do is dive within with a quiet mind, become aware of this inner, eternal underlying consciousness and stay there.
If you watch a movie with inner detachment, you can still enjoy it, yet you are not agitated by what happens in it. You know it is just a movie, the projection of light and color on a screen. After gaining inner peace and silence, and becoming aware of your real I, you see the world and live in it, but yet, at the same time you understand that it is not real. This helps you stay calm and detached in all kinds of situations.
When you are spiritually awakened, nothing can affect your mind and moods. You may still need to work and interact with other people and the world around you, yet you will do so while remaining uninvolved in consciousness, as if outside of the world.
The mind and its thoughts create your world - the illusion you are living in. Thoughts and imagination are creative, and therefore mold and affect your world. As your thoughts are, so is your world.
When you awaken to your real Consciousness, you will be able to master your mind and thoughts, and therefore if needed, be able to change your illusion - your world, through the creative power of your mind. By focusing your mind on the thoughts you choose, you can affect your "reality" accordingly.
You might say that after spiritual awakening you will be beyond the world's illusion, and material things will not matter any more. This is true, but yet, the illusion has to be lived. You have to eat, pay bills and take care of the body. It is true, you will approach these matters in a completely different way, but you will still need to take care of them.
Even an enlightened master has to eat, drink and sleep.
Going beyond the mind, beyond the illusion of the world, puts a great power and responsibility in your hands, for then you have the power to affect the world. Your awakened consciousness is an immense power that can stimulate the spiritual awakening in others. As all Consciousness is one, calming down your mind, going beyond it, and becoming conscious of your real being, to some extent, affects the whole world.
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Re: We only have four years?
by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:51 pm
MJalive999 wrote:
When he sets himself up as God war will break out in heaven. Satan, having received false glory as the Almighty from his son the antichrist, will be cast down to earth along with his legions of demons who side with him in the heavenly battle. This will occur three and a half years after the peace agreement has been signed and marks the beginning of the 1,290 day desolation period.
I am REALLY GLAD to see this!
Someone is getting the BIGGER picture!
I pray that more people will soon have the DECEPTIVE veil lifted from their eyes.
While the hoax is providing us with clues to many things about why MJ had to construct his "death" as a shock value for US to wake up to these REALITIES, it is also causing many to get confused and not focus correctly.
I have read the theories related to what some think is the meaning behind 4 years and I say it is humorous at times but, also very sad.
I am getting the impression here that there are alot of younger people who need their elders to get involed. I hope that if the younger ones on this forum become aware that they in turn inform their parents to help them gain a better understanding of this enormous concept.
Don't lose hope and give into FEAR!
Love you all.
L.O.V.E. = Law of vibrational energy!
http://www.60daystohealth.com/LOVE-PAGE.html (http://www.60daystohealth.com/LOVE-PAGE.html)
PEACE
Re: We only have four years?
by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:41 pm
Although this text comes from a website in which the plan of the devil ( satan) uses a deception on people to believe that this information is coming from an Alien, like E.T. if people of (faith who understand it to be exactly what it is) and interpret this information correctly it is very good insight to truth.
A SPIRITUAL WARFARE between good and evil. Warfare between God, Jesus, The Holy Spirit ( Trinity) <Good vs. Evil> ( satan and his demons).
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html (http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html)
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Below is VERY IMPORTANT INFO:
Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out.
Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today.
You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'.
When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice.
Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose.
It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others.
We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.
There will be dramatic changes to your climate and weather conditions over the next few years, as the time of the Great Harvest approaches.
You will see windspeeds surpassing 300 miles per hour at times. There will be raging tsunamis and widespread devastation; and a solar emission in late 2009 early 2010 that will cause major melting of the ice caps, and subsequent drastic rise in sea levels, leaving many (international) metropolitan areas underwater.
That is all I have time for at present. I have a Sacrifice I must attend now.
No, not really.
Let's see if we can increase the 'depth' of enquiry and question matter in the next session. Seek beyond the superficial. Get to the 'Core' of the matter.
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Now if you read this as a person of FAITH and see it for what it is, this is a spirit ( don't know for sure which side it is on) but, it has told it like it is. It has given us Humans the answer, and WE have FREE WILL to choose what we want here and NOW!
L.O.V.E.= Law of vibrational energy.
Stop living in FEAR and Confusion.
Thanks.
Peace
However for those who do not view this like some of us do, here is a more human (vs. spiritual) and surface explanation to the phenom of what is going on with the non-believers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._F._Skinner)
Burrhus Frederic Skinner (March 20, 1904 – August 18, 1990) was an American psychologist, author, inventor, social philosopher, and poet. He was the Edgar Pierce Professor of Psychology at Harvard University from 1958 until his retirement in 1974.
Skinner invented the operant conditioning chamber, innovated his own philosophy of science called Radical Behaviorism, and founded his own school of experimental research psychology—the experimental analysis of behavior. His analysis of human behavior culminated in his work Verbal Behavior, which has recently seen enormous increase in interest experimentally and in applied settings.
Skinner discovered and advanced the rate of response as a dependent variable in psychological research. He invented the cumulative recorder to measure rate of responding as part of his highly influential work on schedules of reinforcement. In a June, 2002 survey, Skinner was listed as the most influential psychologist of the 20th century. He was a prolific author who published 21 books and 180 articles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World)
Brave New World is a novel by Aldous Huxley, written in 1931 and published in 1932. Set in London of AD 2540 (632 A.F. in the book), the novel anticipates developments in reproductive technology and sleep-learning that combine to change society. The future society is an embodiment of the ideals that form the basis of futurism. Huxley answered this book with a reassessment in an essay, Brave New World Revisited (1958), and with his final work, a novel titled Island (1962), both summarized below.
http://www.huxley.net/studyaid/bnwbarron.html (http://www.huxley.net/studyaid/bnwbarron.html)
THE PLOT
Brave New World is partly a statement of ideas (expressed by characters with no more depth than cartoon characters) and only partly a story with a plot.
The first three chapters present most of the important ideas or themes of the novel. The Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning explains that this Utopia breeds people to order, artificially fertilizing a mother's eggs to create babies that grow in bottles. They are not born, but decanted. Everyone belongs to one of five classes, from the Alphas, the most intelligent, to the Epsilons, morons bred to do the dirty jobs that nobody else wants to do. The lower classes are multiplied by a budding process that can create up to 96 identical clones and produce over 15,000 brothers and sisters from a single ovary.
All the babies are conditioned, physically and chemically in the bottle, and psychologically after birth, to make them happy citizens of the society with both a liking and an aptitude for the work they will do. One psychological conditioning technique is hypnopaedia, or teaching people while they sleep- not teaching facts or analysis, but planting suggestions that will make people behave in certain ways. The Director also makes plain that sex is a source of happiness, a game people play with anyone who pleases them.
The Controller, one of the ten men who run the world, explains some of the more profound principles on which the Utopia is based. One is that "history is bunk"; the society limits people's knowledge of the past so they will not be able to compare the present with anything that might make them want to change the present. Another principle is that people should have no emotions, particularly no painful emotions; blind happiness is necessary for stability. One of the things that guarantees happiness is a drug called soma, which calms you down and gets you high but never gives you a hangover. Another is the "feelies," movies that reach your sense of touch as well as your sight and hearing.
After Huxley presents these themes in the first three chapters, the story begins. Bernard Marx, an Alpha of the top class, is on the verge of falling in love with Lenina Crowne, a woman who works in the Embryo Room of the Hatchery. Lenina has been dating Henry Foster, a Hatchery scientist; her friend Fanny nags her because she hasn't seen any other man for four months. Lenina likes Bernard but doesn't fall in love with him. Falling in love is a sin in this world in which one has sex with everyone else, and she is a happy, conforming citizen of the Utopia.
Bernard is neither happy nor conforming. He's a bit odd; for one thing, he's small for an Alpha, in a world where every member of the same caste is alike. He likes to treasure his differences from his fellows, but he lacks the courage to fight for his right to be an individual. In contrast is his friend Helmholtz Watson, successful in sports, sex, and community activities, but openly dissatisfied because instead of writing something beautiful and powerful, his job is to turn out propaganda.
Bernard attends a solidarity service of the Fordian religion, a parody of Christianity as practiced in England in the 1920s. It culminates in a sexual orgy, but he doesn't feel the true rapture experienced by the other 11 members of his group.
Bernard then takes Lenina to visit a Savage Reservation in North America. While signing his permit to go, the Director tells Bernard how he visited the same Reservation as a young man, taking a young woman from London who disappeared and was presumed dead. He then threatens Bernard with exile to Iceland because Bernard is a nonconformist: he doesn't gobble up pleasure in his leisure time like an infant.
At the Reservation, Bernard and Lenina meet John, a handsome young Savage who, Bernard soon realizes, is the son of the Director. Clearly, the woman the Director had taken to the Reservation long ago had become pregnant as the result of an accident that the citizens of Utopia would consider obscene. John has a fantasy picture of the Utopia from his mother's tales and a knowledge of Shakespeare that he mistakes for a guide to reality.
Bernard gets permission from the Controller to bring John and Linda, his mother, back to London. The Director had called a public meeting to announce Bernard's exile, but by greeting the Director as lover and father, respectively, Linda and John turn him into an obscene joke. Bernard stays and becomes the center of attention of all London because he is, in effect, John's guardian, and everybody wants to meet the Savage. Linda goes into a permanent soma trance after her years of exile on the Reservation. John is taken to see all the attractions of new world society and doesn't like them. But he enjoys arguing with Helmholtz about them, and about Shakespeare.
Lenina has become popular because she is thought to be sleeping with the Savage. Everyone envies her and wants to know what it's like. But, in fact, while she wants to sleep with John, he refuses because he, too, has fallen in love with her- and he has taken from Shakespeare the old-fashioned idea that lovers should be pure. Not understanding this, she finally comes to his apartment and takes her clothes off. He throws her out, calling her a prostitute because he thinks she's immoral, even though he wants her desperately.
John then learns that his mother is dying. The hospital illustrates the Utopia's approach to death, which includes trying to completely eliminate grief and pain. When John goes to visit Linda he is devastated; his display of grief frightens children being taught that death is a pleasant and natural process. John grows so angry that he tries to bring the Utopia back to what he considers sanity and morality by disrupting the daily distribution of soma to lower-caste Delta workers. That leads to a riot; John, Bernard, and Helmholtz are arrested.
The three then confront the Controller, who explains more of the Utopia's principles. Their conversation reveals that the Utopia achieves its happiness by giving up science, art, religion, and other things that we prize in the real world. The Controller sends Bernard to Iceland, after all, and Helmholtz to the Falkland Islands. He keeps John in England, but John finds a place where he can lead a hermit's life, complete with suffering. His solitude is invaded by Utopians who want to see him suffer, as though it were a sideshow spectacle; when Lenina joins the mob, he kills himself.
THE CHARACTERS
Because this is a Utopian novel of ideas, few of the characters are three-dimensional people who come alive on the page. Most exist to voice ideas in words or to embody them in their behavior. John, Bernard, Helmholtz, and the Controller express ideas through real personalities, but you will enjoy most of the others more if you see them as cartoon characters rather than as full portraits that may seem so poorly drawn that they will disappoint you.
It boils down to social conditioning from birth.
The biggest "hoax" towards humanity being played out on the world stage is from the biggest liar of all time.
The devil. 8-)
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by Im_convincedmjalive » Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:29 pm
I am taking a shot in the dark and a guess at what might be the important connection and why TS is hinting so strongly at Elvis/ Michael parallels.
I am thinking it has alot to do with spirituality, numerology, and coming back as a different person. Michael is evolving from The king of Pop to a leader of The Army Of Love, etc. I am sure more...
Maybe the comparisons are to show that since Elvis gave up his old life so his brother could live, he had asked Linda if people would understand this?
Maybe Michael wants to know the same thing, will people understand him being a different person?
Jesse/Elvis wrote his book to explain to his fans why he did what he did, and he has seen the reactions of the people over the years and he has seen how people have used his name to make money. Now it seems like he wants to set these rumours, and money hungry dogs straight.
Perhaps that is what is going on with Michael, he is watching our reactions and he sees the rumours and the dirty dogs making money off his name. Perhaps he would like to set records straight too.
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by Im_convincedmjalive » Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:15 pm
There will be consequences for how we live.
Whether it comes from God himself or just life in general, the energy you put out is what you get in return. What you focus on will become your reality. The negativity you hold onto is going to eat you alive from the inside out. I know from experience. The results of always focusing on negativity will keep you in a unhappy place.
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by Im_convincedmjalive » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:14 am
Wow!
I am not surprised by all this in-fighting and confusion happening now. I am really learning alot about Human Nature. At the first sign of trouble, the family falls apart instead of rallying together. The NWO doesn't have to do a thing to us, we are doing it to ourselves and falling nicely into the chaos.
None of what has happened in History is TS' fault. I take his information as a blessing. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn about these horrific crimes upon humanity by the real enemy.
Some people will never be satisfied and I realized that a while ago when I tried to comfort a few members by letting them know they weren't alone. LOL... that fell on blind eyes to the very ones I was addressing.
There is absolutely NOTHING that TS could say now that would be good enough for those who are unwilling to live without fear.
Some people expressed fear over the redirect to Bahrain, thinking that would expose Michael to the enemy and say where he is hiding. LOL... come on. We are speculating he is hiding there. We have absolutely no proof he is there. A redirect from TS does not prove he is in hiding there. It does explain that IF he is there, he won't be extradited to USA because there is no extradition treaty. That is GENIUS. Pointing out a possible place won't necessarily put him in danger either. If anything drawing more public attention to this "hoax" and exposing the NWO for what they are is like shining a bright light on the dirty rats.
Do you honestly think they would dare try something now when we are aware of them? I will be the first to snitch on them if they dared to make an attempt now on Michael's life. He is safer now than he has ever been. People now know of the plots on his life and ours. He has so much security around him, it is probably like Fort Knox.
http://mystery-babylon.org/psychology.html (http://mystery-babylon.org/psychology.html)
"Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."
I John 3:13
How do people end up adopting these ways?
It all begins in the human mind! The people of Noah's day knew of God,
and His judgment on the world. Evidence of their world-wide flood was
everywhere. Some of their ancestors who lived through it were still alive.
Yet, all it took was a couple of hundred years to bring them together once
again - united against God! Why?
What caused the people to turn so quickly against the God who created
them? What was behind all of their rising animosity? Simply, there was
ideology being pumped into the masses on a large scale - the same ideology
which individually produced a change of heart before the flood. This
ultimately, again, worked to seduce the overall majority of the populous.
This became their own, ancient version of "political correctness"
Culture - a definition:
“… a pattern of behavior, learned, developed or otherwise… that has
worked well enough to be considered valid and, therefore, to be taught to
new members as the correct way to perceive, think and feel in relation to
those problems.”
Edgar H Schein,
Organizational Culture and Leadership 201,
p. 1
The great "veil" that Mystery Babylon hides behind, back then as well as
today, often involves "political correctness". Certain views are flooding into
our society. Today, it is through a propaganda "machine" - a progressively
left-leaning news media, entertainment media, and academia. The
political bombardment by these media outlets have the same effect on our
world as Hitler's propaganda "machine" did in the 1940's! Back then, people
were seduced by certain ideologies, and wanted to feel good about being
"politically correct", so they began to adopt whatever the 'movers and
shakers' around them told them was right. It's all the same today - only
from a different theological viewpoint.
There is one fact about the human mind - it is divided into two halves, with
a "left" and "right" brain. One side or the other usually dominates the
individual's thought. Those with "right-brain" dominance often seem to think
with their "heart", or their emotions. They can be more passionate, artistic,
and open to new experiences. Those with "left-brain" dominance, however,
may often tend to think with their "head" - with logical, rational thoughts;
with less emotion.
Funny, those with this "right-brain" dominance seem to run parallel with
those who adopt a number of ideals of this "left" wing. As stated in
Politically Correct Babylon, those who take on these political views often
look at the world in terms of how compassionate or fair something is, or
how much impact something would have on their individual freedom. Again,
emotions, compassion, and freedom of ideology often come into play, in
these cases. Facts often mean little to these people - it's perception that
matters; how they feel about it.
What begins to lead a person to follow these modems of thought often starts
at a young age - when their mind is young. All it may take is one or two
traumatic events in childhood to start to turn someone towards these ways
of thinking. Sure, bad things happen to all people. It's how we react to the
negative aspects life that matter. Those who begin to go down the
"politically correct" way of Babylon and, ultimately, the "Ways of Cain",
begin to take on the same mindset as many people did back in the Tower of
Babel.
Many who maintain these "left" thoughts often want the world to be a
certain way, and just plain cannot accept the reality that it isn't. Any fool
can see that we are not the same - we have differences in culture and ways
of life that separate us - some that can be downright negative. True, we
should all get along. True, we all have rights; but, collectively, we have to
put something into a society before we get something out of it! A lot of
people think they are entitled to "40 acres and a mule" without having to
work to achieve it. Some scream out "where's my program" and "where's
my money", but cannot understand, nor would be willing to accept, personal
sacrifice. There is truly no honor - in the classical sense - in many people,
now a days.
True, life is not fair, but we also must realize it became that way because of
Adam and Eve's sin. Our world is this way because of man's sin, not God.
Some people want to continually blame God for their own situations and
failures. True, some things happen that are truly not our fault, but, more
often than not, people get themselves in their own situations.
As with Cain, people also begin to believe the world begins to revolve
around themselves, and not God.
These "Way of Cain" are truly coming back to us - full circle.
What do we do about it, to stop our world from collapsing under the weight
of these detrimental ways of life? First, realize it's so easy to "play the
victim" as Cain did, and avoid the real truths of life. It's so easy to twist the
reality of things, to try to get away from personal responsibility. Be strong;
don't cower at the first sign of bad weather.
It is this whole sense of "entitlement without effort" that drains money and
strength from any society - this happened in the past, collapsing so many
cultures and empires before us; and it is happening again, in our modern day.
Why can't more of us see through this political "veil" of Mystery Babylon?
Why are people acting just like they did when Semiramis and Nimrod ruled?
It's because there are a number of people in key positions around us,
intentionally or unintentionally contributing to our own blindness. A person
in the media, for example, might not like something or someone around
them. They will make the politics of the entire situation sound as favorable
to their beliefs as possible. These people might report on the exception of
the story, rather than the rule. Instead of reporting on the 99 times out of
100 something works, they concentrate on the 1 time it didn't - all to make
the entire system look bad. This is one of the easiest ways to twist a story,
destroy authority, and bring others on the same ideological band wagon!
Once someone, by these manipulations, begins to concentrate on how
negative the 1 exception is, they begin to consider the political thoughts of
the agitator. This is how ideological change slowly manipulated the masses
in Nazi Germany; this is how it works today.
What results, on a grand scale, is that the ways of God and the Bible are
twisted, and made to look bad. God and the Bible now become a person's
"oppressor" - a way to take away individual freedoms; a way to stifle
compassion! As a result, the ways of Babylon and Cain become the keys to
"true" ways to compassion and freedom!
Just notice how many Christian values are being shunned, today - the
ideologies taking it's place are none other than these self-centered, pagan
concepts. We, at Mystery-Babylon.org, ask the individual to not be
influenced by empty thoughts of "political correctness", and not fall to the
political morals portrayed by much of the media, but rather discover where
these ideological thoughts actually might come from.
We need to discover what actually are the "Ways of Cain"; we need to
decipher what actually comes from Babylon. The more we know, the closer
to understanding the true direction the world is heading, as well the ancient
force that's continually heading us there!
In the end, we need to ask ourselves a couple of questions: where do many
of these "politically correct" ideologies and political thoughts come from if
they don't come from the Bible and God? Also, in what direction would
these thoughts ultimately head us towards if not God? Could they being
heading us, not forwards, but backwards - towards the same "one world
government" that was once Babylon?
Please get it together family.
Peace
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
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Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
With L.O.V.E
I believe that Souza was the shepherd bringing in the sheep.....
So how can Mo know where the sheep are?
Perhaps in a stable hiding from the cold?
This needs further investigation for sure!
[youtube:2rx5iwjy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBws-gApi0A[/youtube:2rx5iwjy]
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I have to say that I do not get it. Should everyone have the same opinion around here? Why being so anxious about it, when someone doesn't agree with you? I think that *Mo* has made some very logical statements and whether she is right or not, time will prove it and not anybody else. Telling somebody that he/she has lost him/herself, just because he/she seems to be considering another point of view than he/she used to and that is different to others' views isn't an argument at all, and tends to be extremely narrow minded as an opinion.
People are asking a genuine question since Mo is on a mission to oppose everything regarding TS or the Eliza case. She bases her opinion on assumptions and theories and that is fine as long as she stops dissing others telling them they are sheep and implying she is the only one who can think for herself. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, but if someone else posted the same as Mo, that person would have gotten the exact same reply and believe me, they would have had the same reply from HER as well a few weeks ago. Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, so do we and when I see things that I don't agree with, I reply and post my arguments, Mo is no exception. I didn't diss her, I didn't attack her, I simply questioned her post. I have no reason to give her special treatment. As you have stated before, we are here to investigate. So why should it be ok for Mo to oppose TS' posts, but we can't oppose hers? Do we need to believe everything she says or should we simply ignore her posts? That's a little strange and to me THAT is narrow-minded.
If you are such a fighter for the right to voice your opinion, I wonder where you were when the two of us were attacked for the various theories we posted? Never ever have you posted before, what makes this case so special? My red flags are up as well.
Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I was searching for it can someone help me out?
Chappie
Sure, here in her own words:
IF IT TURNS OUT THIS INDEED WAS A TEST:
To the ones who will get angry with TS – Don’t blame TS. In fact, if it turns out that this was a test, then there’s no one to blame but yourself. You, like me, gullibly believed everything TS said in Update #6. Keep in mind that he simply summarized the already existing stories on the internet, he didn’t make this up himself.
Don’t point out fingers to TS, but look in the mirror and point towards the one you see in that mirror - the one who was gullible.
We were warned.
Since people are blindly following TS in this case, here's the reason as to why people believe Linda:
She shouldn't speak for others. If she felt she was fooled because she never really questioned TS' posts, then fine, but that isn't the same for me or others on this board.
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Where are the sheep that Mo was telling about?
Just a thought Chappie...!
Why don't you PM Mo to ask her where the sheep have gone...? Then post the link as it seems to be of interest to the discussion at hand!
With L.O.V.E
I believe that Souza was the shepherd bringing in the sheep.....
So how can Mo know where the sheep are?
Perhaps in a stable hiding from the cold?
This needs further investigation for sure!
[youtube:180oilra]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBws-gApi0A[/youtube:180oilra]
Your Words Chappie ;) : Where can I find the sheep theory Mo wrote
I definitely beLIEve that it deserves a much more thorough investigation... Mo may have some sheep... and may have written on them .... I really don't know!
We once had painted cows in London, but well... a cow is not a sheep!
Take care...
With L.O.V.E
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I did some thorough investigation and just found 2!
Breaking news the new Black and White release!
;)
[youtube:313zviiv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xNhmQBpTac[/youtube:313zviiv]
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Whatever, thanks for the post TS, I went through it and from what I understand, things are highly complex and not too easy to understand because there are things that cannot be be said, for so called good reasons. That seems to be the frustration we have to deal with and that sometimes leads to speculations in a maybe wrong direction. All in all I stick to keeping the faith;there is enough evidence in total!
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I was not going to comment on this thread but I feel I have to. TS has addressed some of the questions but not all that have been raised. We have people defending TS and I feel that TS is capable of defending their opinions and theories themselves and anything anyone writes on their behalf is just that individuals opinion and perception. TS should be responding for themselves.
On the Graphology issue:
Graphology is not forensic document examination to determine authorship of a document.
Graphology is the analysis of writing to reveal personality and/or psychological characteristics of an individual (this may include diseases of the brain and/or nervous system). It is mainly used in employment issues to analyze suitability for a position or promotion.
Linda submitted an autograph by Jesse, signed as Elvis Presley, to a company which certifies autographs on memorabilia. This analysis was done through an online analysis of the handwriting and she received a letter of online authenticity. This was certified as Elvis' autograph but this type of analysis is not admissible in court.
Linda then submitted the same autograph for an actual hands on analysis and could not obtain authentication because the autograph was in the book which had been published in 2001 and Elvis had reportedly died in 1977. Again, this means that this autograph could not be used to prove that Jesse is Elvis because it can not be certified forensically as having been written by Elvis. It would not be accepted by a court as evidence of Jesse being Elvis and therefore that Elvis is alive. If it would be acceptable, Eliza would have submitted this evidence to support the Jesse DNA in her paternity case. (I haven't heard if that has been done or not). Fox News had the documents forensically analyzed and could not get them certified as having been written by Elvis either; the results were inconclusive.
Now, I am in no way saying that Linda's evidence is fake nor that she is a fraud. What I am saying is that though we may believe her (and as a matter of fact I do) that this does not LEGALLY prove that Jesse is Elvis. The case against Dr. Hinton would have been dropped by the AG because though this analysis can not legally prove that Jesse is Elvis, it raises enough "REASONABLE DOUBT" in the case, that Dr. Hinton would not have been convicted of the the charge of fraud which had been brought against him.
The Eliza DNA Evidence:
Mo has shown that the there are "Chain of Custody" issues with the DNA in the Eliza paternity case.
Chain of Custody
The chain of custody begins when an item of evidence is collected, and the chain is maintained until the evidence is disposed of. The chain of custody assures continuous accountability. This accountability is important because, if not properly maintained, an item may be inadmissible in court.
http://www.tpub.com/legalman/80.htm
What is the Chain of Custody procedure?
"Chain of custody" refers to the proper management or control of the DNA samples throughout the testing process. First, it requires a neutral third party to verify the identity of the individuals being tested and collect their DNA samples. Following that, the DNA samples and appropriate paperwork (including signed copies of identification papers) need to be delivered to the testing location ensuring that they have not been tampered with. Finally, the DNA laboratory performing the test needs to ensure they handle the DNA samples and paperwork correctly by tracking and documenting the DNA samples throughout all of the testing process. If the procedures are followed correctly, this will allow the laboratory to issue notarized test results that can be stand up in court.
Legal DNA Paternity Test
In essence, a legal paternity test is a test in which the DNA samples are collected by an independent third party who becomes responsible for confirming the identities of the persons who are taking part in the test and assumes general responsibility for assuring that the DNA samples are not in any way tampered with. Therefore whilst in a home paternity DNA test, samples are usually collected by the participants themselves in their own home environment, a legal DNA paternity test usually necessitates a visit to a clinic or laboratory where the specialist will collect the samples.
Chain of Custody
This procedure is called maintaining the ‘chain of custody', and is necessary in order to ensure that the test results are reliable, valid and that this fact can be witnessed by an independent third party. For this reason, results of a home DNA paternity test cannot be used in a court of law, because there is no way of proving without doubt that the persons participating in the test on paper are indeed the same persons who have provided the DNA samples. So, for example, a person who does not wish to provide child support may send a sample from another person instead of his own, using a home DNA paternity test. For this reason, the results of a home DNA paternity test can be used for ‘informational' purposes only.
http://www.articlesbase.com/mental-health-articles/legal-dna-paternity-testing-court-admissible-dna-test-legal-dna-test-2013385.html
Okay, so a lab did verify that there are links between the DNA samples but it did not collect the DNA nor did it verify from whom the DNA was collected, so this is the issue with the Chain of Custody on this DNA. Therefore the DNA may be considered inadmissible because it has not been gathered in such a way as is required to be considered in the courts.
This does not mean that Eliza is being deceitful or that the DNA isn't from the people she says it is. It does mean that there is a good chance that this case may be dismissed. It leaves the door open for the defense to ask the judge to dismiss this evidence because it does not meet the chain of custody for evidence requirements and without this evidence there is no paternity case.
The real issue here is that TS said this in update number 6:
After 33 years of question and debate over whether Elvis Presley faked his death: we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! And this is not based on some lunatic fantasy whims, that Elvis is living on a paradise island; no, this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer!
Yes, DNA evidence is scientific proof but it is not legally admissible, if it is has not been collected in such a way that follows the procedures of chain of custody for evidence as required. Graphology is not accepted by the courts and there has been no certification by a forensic document examiner on anything written by Jesse. The problem here is that TS has led us to believe that the outcome of Eliza's case will be Elvis' "bam" and that this was most likely going to occur this past summer. Well, Eliza's court case was not decided this last summer, the issues with the DNA may cause the case to be dismissed, if that happens than Eliza may try to appeal. The Eliza/Vernon/Elvis case is no where near being decided at all, as here we are in December and it is no further along than it was when update number 6 was posted on June 16, 2010. This case could be settled within a few months or it could take years still. There has been nothing in all of this that LEGALLY proves so far that Elvis is alive.
We are all free to believe whatever we choose but no matter what we believe, no matter what our common sense may tell us...this is not legal proof nor is the general public going to accept anything less than legal proof of Elvis actually being alive. Linda has loads of "evidence", there has been a book written by Dr. Hinton, there has been multiple sightings, there are photos, there has been media coverage, there is even DNA; none of it has been enough. What TS has brought to the table is nothing new and it hasn't proven anything beyond what was already known in the Elvis case. What has happened is that more people are personally believing that Elvis is alive and seeing the connection to the possibility that Michael also hoaxed his death...but we already knew that. ;)
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TS wrote:
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
How do you guys interpret that?
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That´s another question.
Why sending such a document to a graphologist when the procedure would be sending it to a department with calligraphic expertise (forensic handwriting) wich is a discipline of criminology and accepted by court?
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TS wrote:
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
How do you guys interpret that?
Look, I still think TS could be an insider or Michael himself but the above statement does not provide any facts. I could say that I know somethings about Michael that no one else does but that doesn't mean I do, it also doesn't mean I don't. TS has not stated what they know nor how they know this. TS could know something or the above statement could be a way to create a sort of credibility for themselves. If TS chooses to clarify this statement further that would be great but if not, then it carries no weight for myself.
We are again being "told" to figure out "The Source" this is opening the door to more speculation and multiple interpretations, just as many of the redirections did. At this point, call me pessimistic if you want but I feel if you have something to say or information to share, than just do it and do it in such a way that is understandable, direct and as complete as possible. If you can't do that than just don't say anything at all because I personally have had enough with all the veiled comments, contradictions and unclear statements.
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TS wrote:
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
How do you guys interpret that?
(http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073282659_dangling%20carrot.JPG)
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Do sheep eat carrots? :roll:
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TS wrote:
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
How do you guys interpret that?
(http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073282659_dangling%20carrot.JPG)
Does that mean he's leading us further down the rabbit hole? Or yanking our chains? :( I don't particularly like having my chain yanked.....
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Another thing I wanted to point out in all of this is:
Doubts are what brought us all here in the first place. We doubted the media reports that Michael was dead, this has led to critically thinking and analyzing ALL of the material being presented and just because someone is questioning the validity of the content of anyone's posts (including TS') doesn't mean that these theories are being tossed out. They are being analyzed as they should be, as everything should be.
Critical Thinking
Critical thinking, in its broadest sense has been described as "purposeful reflective judgment concerning what to believe or what to do."
The application of logical principles, rigorous standards of evidence, and careful reasoning to the analysis and discussion of claims, beliefs, and issues.
An essential tool of inquiry; purposeful, self-regulatory judgment that results in interpretation, analysis, evaluation, and inference, as well as explanation of the evidential, conceptual, methodological, criteriological, or contextual considerations upon which that judgment is based. The ideal critical thinker is habitually inquisitive, well-informed, trustful of reason, open-minded, flexible, fair-minded in evaluation, honest in facing personal biases, prudent in making judgments, willing to reconsider, clear about issues, orderly in complex matters, diligent in seeking relevant information, reasonable in the selection of criteria, focused in inquiry, and persistent in seeking results which are as precise as the subject and the circumstances of inquiry permit.
The process of evaluating propositions or hypotheses and making judgments about them on the basis of well-supported evidence
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Dbf&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=s&defl=en&q=define:Critical+thinking&sa=X&ei=t3n5TP-kB4O8sAPUqpCjAg&ved=0CBsQkAE
"The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth." - author unknown
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TS wrote:
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
How do you guys interpret that?
(http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073282659_dangling%20carrot.JPG)
Does that mean he's leading us further down the rabbit hole? Or yanking our chains? :( I don't particularly like having my chain yanked.....
I thought it was a depressed carrot who just hanged itself! ...
With L.O.V.E
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Another thing I wanted to point out in all of this is:
Doubts are what brought us all here in the first place. We doubted the media reports that Michael was dead, this has led to critically thinking and analyzing ALL of the material being presented and just because someone is questioning the validity of the content of anyone's posts (including TS') doesn't mean that these theories are being tossed out. They are being analyzed as they should be, as everything should be.
Critical Thinking
Critical thinking, in its broadest sense has been described as "purposeful reflective judgment concerning what to believe or what to do."
The application of logical principles, rigorous standards of evidence, and careful reasoning to the analysis and discussion of claims, beliefs, and issues.
An essential tool of inquiry; purposeful, self-regulatory judgment that results in interpretation, analysis, evaluation, and inference, as well as explanation of the evidential, conceptual, methodological, criteriological, or contextual considerations upon which that judgment is based. The ideal critical thinker is habitually inquisitive, well-informed, trustful of reason, open-minded, flexible, fair-minded in evaluation, honest in facing personal biases, prudent in making judgments, willing to reconsider, clear about issues, orderly in complex matters, diligent in seeking relevant information, reasonable in the selection of criteria, focused in inquiry, and persistent in seeking results which are as precise as the subject and the circumstances of inquiry permit.
The process of evaluating propositions or hypotheses and making judgments about them on the basis of well-supported evidence
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Dbf&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=s&defl=en&q=define:Critical+thinking&sa=X&ei=t3n5TP-kB4O8sAPUqpCjAg&ved=0CBsQkAE
"The beginning of wisdom is found in doubting; by doubting we come to the question, and by seeking we may come upon the truth." - author unknown
You are absolutely right Serenity, we are here to evaluate what we see and draw our own conclusions... and clearly some controversy is being created at the moment for a purpose... which I have yet to figure out... I however think there is a parallel with the controversy we saw in MJ life... but what does it mean?
I would also add that this Hoax is also "testing" our ability to connect the dots ( see the big picture), which is commonly referred to as strategic thinking. Imagine being given 10000 pieces to make up a puzzle when you actually only need 5000 and you only know which pieces is relevant when you start building your puzzle...not before!
With L.O.V.E
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@RunningGirl....that's funny!! :lol:
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Thank you, TS. I appreciate the post very much and I found it extremely helpful to me. I truly feel WIDE-AWAKE.
I BELIEVE that Michael is alive and well. I believed that before I came to this forum and I continue to believe it. I've read all the comments in this thread and am now going to re-read all of TS's posts. I have more to say, but for now I will withdraw --just for a bit -- to THINK, FEEL, REFLECT, PRAY, and ask that PEACE be still. I must WAIT on the Lord and the many gifts He's given me of DISCERNMENT, all the while remaining FAITHFUL in what I believe, but cannot always see.
Psalm 91. L.O.V.E. and Light to all. {hugs}
I was thinking about Michael and what he wants from us and this song came to me. I wish there was a video of it and I can't figure out how to download an audio:
Wide Awake
Tuck & Patti
(Patricia Cathcart Andress)
© 1994 Grey Kitty Music (BMI)/Windham Hill Music (BMI)
There was a time in life
When I felt my only choice was to run away
From so much hatred
It seems sometimes that the killing will never end
I was afraid, I could not see the end in sight
And so I did what many of us often do
I took all my feelings and put them all to sleep
Until I could not feel any more pain
But you cannot change a thing if you cannot feel your heart
And so I prayed for strength to help me face my fears
I remember the day, and although it hurt me deep
I was happy for my tears
I am wide awake, ready to take my place
In the war that's going on for hearts and minds
I am wide awake and I won't hesitate
To stand and tell the truth to save a life
So many suffer and cry
While too many of us turn our heads and hide
For lack of our love
Today 10,000 children closed their eyes and died
It's hard to take, we cannot face the madness
And so we go back to the place where we feel safe
We take all our feelings and put them all to sleep
Until we cannot feel any more pain
But don't you be afraid cause
Wide awake there will be many others
Who will join you on your way
Oh and there is so much beauty,
You just have to open up your eyes
Wide awake sometimes your heart will break
When you hear another angushed cry
In the middle of this sorrow
You have got to realize
If you cannot look, then you cannot change
Open up your eyes, don't be afraid
I'm right here beside you
I wll never leave you lonely.
I keep my head up and my heart wide open
I'm here to tell you it is worth any pain you feel
Don't go to sleep, do not slumber
So many are depending on you
I am wide awake ready to take my place
You'll be wide awake ready to take your place
We are wide awake ready to take our place.
I'm thankful and I'm so grateful that I'm wide awake.
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No I have nothing more to comment on the case of Eliza, Mo and Serenitys_Dream have good arguments, the only thing left is to wait.
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Some people don't get the point. I will say it once more: Questioning is fine, if people feel the need to doubt and question certain things; that is FINE. All I am asking is RESPECT for other people, wheter that are other members, Linda, Eliza, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, someone else on the GD internet or TS: I do not allow any more accusations towards anyone based on speculations and theories. This forum has ALWAYS stood for that and it will stay that way.
@keyboardwizz: keep your disrespectful comments for yourself next time.
I am serious about this, this is nothing new and whether or not Mo allows it nowadays, I will never allow any bashing towards people on this forum.
Thank you.
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Reading this thread I actualy see some people do get the point, there are just some points that don't make sense, the dangling carrot is a well chosen image for the statement TS makes (about "happen to know something") , and imho is not disrespectfull. I remember times when those kind of statements set off a troll alert.......
No, I m not insuinating TS is a troll and nobody is calling TS a fraud , (this is the label you have given him).
Imho it's just healthy to ask questions, and not take all the given info for granted, I don't see anyone being hurt or being treated disrespectfull in this thread, but in other threads I see some personal attacks, and noone comments on those.
And yes sheep do eat carrots .......... (just my quirky sense of humour)
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Reading this thread I actualy see some people do get the point, there are just some points that don't make sense, the dangling carrot is a well chosen image for the statement TS makes (about "happen to know something") , and imho is not disrespectfull. I remember times when those kind of statements set off a troll alert.......
No, I m not insuinating TS is a troll and nobody is calling TS a fraud , (this is the label you have given him).
Imho it's just healthy to ask questions, and not take all the given info for granted, I don't see anyone being hurt or being treated disrespectfull in this thread, but in other threads I see some personal attacks, and noone comments on those.
And yes sheep do eat carrots .......... (just my quirky sense of humour)
I was talking about your COMMENT. Since I have to repeat myself all the time lately: keep them to yourself in the future. The ridiculing, bashing and accusing stops right here.
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Time to put things in order:
- I have never called people sheep, nor have I spoken for anyone else. My first comment that was quoted in regards to "sheep" is taken from a WHAT IF post, so taken out of context. My second comment is also taken out of context, read the post I replied to and my full answer here: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15871&start=100#p270183 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15871&start=100#p270183)
- I have never called TS a fraud.
- I have never presented a theory about TS, despite of what some people suggest in this thread.
- Repeatedly discrediting me and my posts as well as posts by other members in this thread and the thread "Eliza Presley's DNA evidence no Legal Evidence?" demonstrates weakness, especially when presented good arguments and even facts are being ignored time after time.
- Repeatedly some people try to distract the attention from what I'm writing by addressing things that actually never happened, in example saying that I'm disrespectful to people. These comments do not add anything valuable to the discussion, they only cause drama.
- I have no "purpose" to cause "confusion" "distraction" or "controversy" by simply stating my opinion.
- My posts are very clear, I say what I have to say, there are no "hidden messages" so stop assuming I'm actually meaning something else.
- It has come to my knowledge that people are set against me by spreading lies in PM and through chat programs, simply to discredit me. The traitor never sleeps... If you receive certain "information" about me, don't hesitate to contact me for verification. If you insist on playing, play a fair game.
- Thank you for all your concerns about my well being, but no worries, I'm doing very well.
What's been happening here on this forum the last couple of weeks is that my words have been twisted, taken out of proportion, I have been discredited, and simply because some people started turning things into a certain direction I'm now "under suspicion" while I'm simply investigating things like everyone else. It's very likely that the subjects of my investigation are most certainly not appreciated by some people, and therefore I needed to be "taken down".
Remember - "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Indeed, the ridiculing, bashing and accusing stops right here.[/b]
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Time to put things in order:
- I have never called people sheep, nor have I spoken for anyone else. My first comment that was quoted in regards to "sheep" is taken from a WHAT IF post, so taken out of context. My second comment is also taken out of context, read the post I replied to and my full answer here: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15871&start=100#p270183 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15871&start=100#p270183)
- I have never called TS a fraud.
- I have never presented a theory about TS, despite of what some people suggest in this thread.
- Repeatedly discrediting me and my posts as well as posts by other members in this thread and the thread "Eliza Presley's DNA evidence no Legal Evidence?" demonstrates weakness, especially when presented good arguments and even facts are being ignored time after time.
- Repeatedly some people try to distract the attention from what I'm writing by addressing things that actually never happened, in example saying that I'm disrespectful to people. These comments do not add anything valuable to the discussion, they only cause drama.
- I have no "purpose" to cause "confusion" "distraction" or "controversy" by simply stating my opinion.
- My posts are very clear, I say what I have to say, there are no "hidden messages" so stop assuming I'm actually meaning something else.
- Thank you for all your concerns about my well being, but no worries, I'm doing very well.
What's been happening here on this forum the last couple of weeks is that my words have been twisted, taken out of proportion, I have been discredited, and simply because some people started turning things into a certain direction I'm now "under suspicion" while I'm simply investigating things like everyone else. It's very likely that the subjects of my investigation are most certainly not appreciated by some people, and therefore I needed to be "taken down".
Remember - "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Indeed, the ridiculing, bashing and accusing stops right here.[/b]
Taken down Mo? Come on, give me a break! You received critisism to your post, you did the same to mine. Can't you handle that? If you would not have posted untrue statements in your post, no one would have bothered.
Although you didn't use the actual word 'sheep' you did say the same with your comments based on the fact that you suddenly question TS' intentions. The latter is fine, but disrespecting members on this forum by claiming they follow him blindly or are gullible, is not and disrespectful.
You didn't accuse or ridicule people yourself, but you allowed others to do so in the thread, just because they agree with you. As an admin that is equally wrong, and in my opinion even worse. Not once did you warn anyone to lower their voice on their accusations.
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There will be an answer
[youtube:dsqy6nji]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl444KtdO3o[/youtube:dsqy6nji]
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YES THERE WILL BE AN ANSWER...LOVE!
[youtube:2ib313p5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGWyfGk_LU&playnext=1&list=PL091C0EF016B882D8&index=28[/youtube:2ib313p5]
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Start reading again and perhaps you can find it.
And Mo definitely sounds like herself.
Every theory has logics in it if you like it or not.
There are always 2 sides ....yours and the other persons...
But the truth could be also somewhere in the middle...
That is the truth and nothing more and nothing less.
But the question is also....will the truth prevail....
And i am old enough to say from my own experience...
No.... Sometimes it DOES NOT.
Chappie, you don't need to jump on people. Nobody said anything to you. I'm sure that Mo can defend herself so well if she wants to. ;) And I wrote my opinion about her theory. I still find no logic in what she writes. And that is my opinion. So calm down first.
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Sooo done with this thread. This is not good for my inner chi. :lol: Instead I'm going to go take a chill pill and meditate.... who's with me?
But seriously, done with it. I'm feeling as if I'm missing vital information for some reason, so I'm not going to judge any of it. Oh how I wish we could all get together in one room and speak to each other normally...so many things get miscontrued and I think this medium of communication is the culprit, just because so many things can be "lost in translation" if you will, and we miss important things like body language and tone of voice, not to mention cultural differences...making it very easy to misunderstand or not fully understand each other...
Anyways, I'm going take a chill pill and meditate a little later today. Right now I need coffee :shock: :lol: Hope you all have a lovely time here... see you on the other threads! 8-)
xoxo,
jaci
I'm so with you babes. :D And let's call Souza too. ;)
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Mmm, I think TS may purposely sometimes write certain things in his updates in an ambiguous manner. Meaning it can be interpreted in a number of different ways and opens up debates. TS knows the updates cause controversy and maybe part of a test is to see if we can work it out ourselves or talk in circles, never really resolving anything. We're the death hoax investigators and we feel that we "get it", we know Michael's alive and it's just a matter of time before the rest of the world knows. But we DON'T know EVERYTHING and we're not supposed to and like I said before, TS can't give everything away in the updates because that's not how it's supposed to go down. We're given bits and pieces to see if we can logically come up with the answers and sometimes I don't think we're necessarily supposed to - hence the ambiguity. We do have an advantage over the non-believers in that we can look at the evidences presented and have come to our own conclusions that Michael HAS to be alive - we are thinking for ourselves and not blindly believing what the media tells us. BUT, if the rest of the world is being messed with, then we're not necessarily above being messed with too - by Michael - but that's cool because he's doing it for LOVE, he is actually DOING SOMETHING about the state of the world and making people realize what's really important. I mean, if he doesn't try something drastic to change the world for the better - who else will??
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Mmm, I think TS may purposely sometimes write certain things in his updates in an ambiguous manner. Meaning it can be interpreted in a number of different ways and opens up debates. TS knows the updates cause controversy and maybe part of a test is to see if we can work it out ourselves or talk in circles, never really resolving anything. We're the death hoax investigators and we feel that we "get it", we know Michael's alive and it's just a matter of time before the rest of the world knows. But we DON'T know EVERYTHING and we're not supposed to and like I said before, TS can't give everything away in the updates because that's not how it's supposed to go down. We're given bits and pieces to see if we can logically come up with the answers and sometimes I don't think we're necessarily supposed to - hence the ambiguity. We do have an advantage over the non-believers in that we can look at the evidences presented and have come to our own conclusions that Michael HAS to be alive - we are thinking for ourselves and not blindly believing what the media tells us. BUT, if the rest of the world is being messed with, then we're not necessarily above being messed with too - by Michael - but that's cool because he's doing it for LOVE, he is actually DOING SOMETHING about the state of the world and making people realize what's really important. I mean, if he doesn't try something drastic to change the world for the better - who else will??
Fantastic post, @Andrea. I think that you are 100% on the mark here. Controversy brings change! Love to you.
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Mmm, I think TS may purposely sometimes write certain things in his updates in an ambiguous manner. Meaning it can be interpreted in a number of different ways and opens up debates. TS knows the updates cause controversy and maybe part of a test is to see if we can work it out ourselves or talk in circles, never really resolving anything. We're the death hoax investigators and we feel that we "get it", we know Michael's alive and it's just a matter of time before the rest of the world knows. But we DON'T know EVERYTHING and we're not supposed to and like I said before, TS can't give everything away in the updates because that's not how it's supposed to go down. We're given bits and pieces to see if we can logically come up with the answers and sometimes I don't think we're necessarily supposed to - hence the ambiguity. We do have an advantage over the non-believers in that we can look at the evidences presented and have come to our own conclusions that Michael HAS to be alive - we are thinking for ourselves and not blindly believing what the media tells us. BUT, if the rest of the world is being messed with, then we're not necessarily above being messed with too - by Michael - but that's cool because he's doing it for LOVE, he is actually DOING SOMETHING about the state of the world and making people realize what's really important. I mean, if he doesn't try something drastic to change the world for the better - who else will??
Fantastic post, @Andrea. I think that you are 100% on the mark here. Controversy brings change! Love to you.
Love to you too! :D And love to those who read this, and love to those who don't.
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Has anybody else seen that Oprah is going to interview Teddy Riley on 12/6? I'm intrigued.
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I wondered if the Admins would consider re-assigning the TS posts to the Blog section? Speaking for myself, I find it easier to read lengthy info in a blog format.
By the way, speaking of Blogs, Souza and Mo, you promised us a new Blog piece, is it ready yet?
I really enjoy your blogs and I am anxiously waiting for your latest news.
:D
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I wondered if the Admins would consider re-assigning the TS posts to the Blog section? Speaking for myself, I find it easier to read lengthy info in a blog format.
I have to make screenshots etc. before the post will be on the website, but working on it.
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I've also noticed to my :? that all the TIAI videos & updates have been wiped from YouTube and this forum.[/b]
In fact, youtube deleted our entire channel around 5AM today due to a third time violation of copyrights. This time it was a claim from Web Sheriff, concerning the video "Michael Jackson - Gangsta (No friend of mine)".
WOW.. THAT IS STRANGE!!!!!!!!!, why not only that video, why the entire channel???
Third violation. I wonder who that Web Sheriff is, because that video was up for months and months.
I think u should make a new account. and post all those videos again. not that gangsta video, but those Hoax videos were great. Maybe they wanted those videos removed, and that Web Sheriff used the gangsta video for a reason to do...
I second this. Those videos are to valuable to loose. :(
Already uploading them again to my other account, but it might take a few days :lol:
Good News.
The absence of TS Update videos has really done a number on my YouTube Channel! :D
Yours is the second channel this web sheriff has deleted. The other channel was using some sort of "sony" video editing program and this sheriff deleted the entire channel & video catalog of the uploader. This has left me with major holes in my playlists that I wont be able to fill till after the Holidays... I just barely caught up from Thanksgiving! :roll:
Which account are you referring to? The YT link at the bottom of your post sig? I'll make sure to subscribe so I don't loose you. 8-)
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
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This is interesting. It's almost the same style of writing and outlining as TS's. I noticed when TS first started to post that "he/she" uses an excessive amount of "commas" in his phrasing. The excessive use of "commas" is a style that hasn't been used in the American public school system for several years. It isn't wrong...but not commonly used now. He obviously takes great care in his grammar and writing style. Very similar to TS. Just an observation....no conclusion.
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
We discussed about this issue several months ago. Maybe you should read that topic. And TS wrote about that page in one of his updates. No need to bring old stories here.
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I agree with Souza ... respect is fundamental and often slips down out of habit, for a joke... for not read well and carefully ...for not to listen ....for protagonism, for cause, for have fun etc.
The long post of TS are precious mines from which to extract the minerals a after another little by little. Refute or to argue opinions that's fine, but not debunk. :roll:
I do not think there are some Totem or Myths in this forum that from time to time should be demolished.
We are here to investigate, exchange ideas on suspected hoax designed and questioning is fine if people feel the need to doubt certain things.
Everyone has their head to think and decide, there is no mythologizing of any person or at least should not exist ....
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
We discussed about this issue several months ago. Maybe you should read that topic. And TS wrote about that page in one of his updates. No need to bring old stories here.
I do not know the topic you suggest. Yet I found this article about S.T.U.D.Y., that I definetely did not know of. So, only for those interested in old stories here is a link:
http://annatomyofahoax.wordpress.com/20 ... lly-about/ (http://annatomyofahoax.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/what-tiai-is-actually-about/)
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Thanks for the link, Uranus.
And here is other information from the thread you reference on MJHD. SD, I hope you don't mind me linking to your thorough research, please let us know if any of the info has changed since you first posted this on the other site:
FROM MJHD
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... 3&start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=1183&start=50)
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Re: S.T.U.D.Y. revealed
by Serenitys_Dream » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:02 pm
Okay so I went to Tim Simkins website at http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/ (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/)
and I have read the links there.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
An introduction to S.T.U.D.Y - Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself
This pdf of a newsletter and is an introduction to techniques to use when undertaking Bible study. To learn to understand bible scripture on your own without having someone else tell you what the scripture means.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf)
Are You: Response-Able? In other words, are you “ready always [able] to give an answer [response]” to
questions about what you believe? Even in secular education, a primary method of testing someone’s knowledge and understanding is through questions (and answers).
This pdf is explaining how to answers questions effectively about your beliefs regarding what you have learned through Bible study. How to effectively convey your beliefs to others, how to educate others of the meanings you have discovered through your study of the scriptures in the Bible.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF)
There’s little value examining specific truths, especially areas where there is a difference of belief—until we understand the basic principles that apply to all truths, and the basic principles involved in resolving differences of belief.
This pdf is again about addressing different beliefs, what is truth for each individual etc. All of this has to do with bible study and conveying what you have learned from your individual study to others.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF)
Especially from those who are teachers, the “not enough time” plea should never be heard! Are they too
busy teaching the “truth” (so-called), to find out if the teaching really is truth?!? As long as a teacher doesn’t
have enough time to answer the questions on a certain subject, he also doesn’t have enough time to teach that
subject! This principle holds true even in secular teachings—how much more so, in religious teachings!
This pdf is addressing issues of teaching about the Bible and conflicts one may have about accepting money for services etc. After reading these newsletters so far I am getting the feeling that Tim Simkins was teaching people how to effectively study the Bible and educate others. Teaching people how to be "Ministers", this does not seem to be a church itself or a cult but an educational tool to educate others about Bible study and become teachers/ministers.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF)
This final newsletter pdf is about how to create wedding videos and the advantages of having a wedding ceremony over getting married in a civil court. This again suggests that these newsletters are being directed towards Ministers and in an effort to help them teach about the bible and subjects important when one is educating a congregation.
I also went to the Response-Able website which is linked on the s-t-u-d-y.org page.
http://www.response-able.net/ (http://www.response-able.net/)
This site is under construction but there is an essay written here.
http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm (http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm)
This essay is again the information from the newsletters plus a further elaboration on the subjects.
Also there has been no further newsletters since 2005 and the above website has not been completed after having been originally created during the time these newsletters were posted. It appears that this idea was not successful has been abandoned or something.
My impression from this is that Tim Simkins is promoting an Educational System, tools to help understand the bible and transmit what you believe to others. He also wanted to link up churches that were using this system, no matter the denomination of the congregation, as means of improving and working out unity issues.
I am not really understanding why everyone sees this as a cult. There is also no mention of NWO, Illuminati, conspiracy theories, Michael Jackson or anything else that indicates that this is Tim Simkins agenda at all and that he may be responsible for TIAI.
TS wrote:
Quoted from Update #6:
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
What I see here is that TS freely admits that they are aware of this website. It seems to me that they have read the site and are utilizing the same techniques that Tim Simkins has written about but not to educate us on the bible but instead the Hoax. This does not mean that TS is Tim Simkins, it simply means that they read the information on how to approach educating others on a subject and they liked it and are using it to transmit the Hoax information to us.
I do not see how any of what I have read on these web pages has proven that TS is fake. This thread has not debunked them in the least.
Also let us not forget that Marlon Jackson wrote STUDY peace in the funeral book.
And finally, has anyone even tried to contact Tim Simkins and asked him about the S.T.U.D.Y. program and if he has any involvement in TIAI, if they are so skeptical about the "TS" on MJHDI?
Isn't it possible that the TS on this forum chose the initials "TS" because they were utilizing Mr. Simkins ideas about education etc in regards to informing us about the hoax? I mean I use Serenitys Dream or SD on this forum as my name, yet it has nothing to do with my actual name.Last edited by Serenitys_Dream on Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:08 pm, edited 1 time in total. Serenitys_Dream
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by Anna.K » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:07 pm
Serenitys_Dream wrote:
Okay so I went to Tim Simkins website at http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/ (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/)
and I have read the links there.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
An introduction to S.T.U.D.Y - Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself
This pdf of a newsletter and is an introduction to techniques to use when undertaking Bible study. To learn to understand bible scripture on your own without having someone else tell you what the scripture means.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf)
Are You: Response-Able? In other words, are you “ready always [able] to give an answer [response]” to
questions about what you believe? Even in secular education, a primary method of testing someone’s knowledge and understanding is through questions (and answers).
This pdf is explaining how to answers questions effectively about your beliefs regarding what you have learned through Bible study. How to effectively convey your beliefs to others, how to educate others of the meanings you have discovered through your study of the scriptures in the Bible.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF)
There’s little value examining specific truths, especially areas where there is a difference of belief—until we understand the basic principles that apply to all truths, and the basic principles involved in resolving differences of belief.
This pdf is again about addressing different beliefs, what is truth for each individual etc. All of this has to do with bible study and conveying what you have learned from your individual study to others.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF)
Especially from those who are teachers, the “not enough time” plea should never be heard! Are they too
busy teaching the “truth” (so-called), to find out if the teaching really is truth?!? As long as a teacher doesn’t
have enough time to answer the questions on a certain subject, he also doesn’t have enough time to teach that
subject! This principle holds true even in secular teachings—how much more so, in religious teachings!
This pdf is addressing issues of teaching about the Bible and conflicts one may have about accepting money for services etc. After reading these newsletters so far I am getting the feeling that Tim Simkins was teaching people how to effectively study the Bible and educate others. Teaching people how to be "Ministers", this does not seem to be a church itself or a cult but an educational tool to educate others about Bible study and become teachers/ministers.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF)
This final newsletter pdf is about how to create wedding videos and the advantages of having a wedding ceremony over getting married in a civil court. This again suggests that these newsletters are being directed towards Ministers and in an effort to help them teach about the bible and subjects important when one is educating a congregation.
I also went to the Response-Able website which is linked on the s-t-u-d-y.org page.
http://www.response-able.net/ (http://www.response-able.net/)
This site is under construction but there is an essay written here.
http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm (http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm)
This essay is again the information from the newsletters plus a further elaboration on the subjects.
Also there has been no further newsletters since 2005 and the above website has not been completed after having been originally created during the time these newsletters were posted. It appears that this idea was not successful has been abandoned or something.
My impression from this is that Tim Simkins is promoting an Educational System, tools to help understand the bible and transmit what you believe to others. He also wanted to link up churches that were using this system, no matter the denomination of the congregation, as means of improving and working out unity issues.
I am not really understanding why everyone sees this as a cult. there is also no mention of NWO, Illuminati, conspiracy theories, Michael Jackson or anything else that indicates that this is Tim Simkins agenda at all and that he may be responsible for TIAI.
TS wrote:
Quoted from Update #6:
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
What I see here is that TS freely admits that they are aware of this website. It seems to me that they have read the site and are utilizing the same techniques that Tim Simkins has written about but not to educate us on the bible but instead the Hoax. This does not mean that TS is Tim Simkins, it simply means that they read the information on how to approach educating others on a subject and they liked it and are using it to transmit the Hoax information to us.
I do not see how any of what I have read on these web pages has proven that TS is fake. This thread has not debunked them in the least.
Also let us not forget that Marlon Jackson wrote STUDY peace in the funeral book.
And finally, has anyone even tried to contact Tim Simkins and asked him about the S.T.U.D.Y. program and if he has any involvement in TIAI, if they are so skeptical about the "TS" on MJHDI?
Isn't it possible that the TS on this forum chose the initials "TS" because they were utilizing Mr. Simkins ideas about education etc in regards to informing us about the hoax? I mean I use Serenitys Dream or SD on this forum as my name, yet it has nothing to do with my actual name.
The motto that both STUDY use (Tim Simkins and TIAI Study) is not Study Peace. It's Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself. Clearly, you have not read the page thoroughly
There's no sensation to compare with this
Suspended animation, a state of bliss
Can't keep my mind from the circling skies
Tongue-tied, twisted just an earthbound misfit
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by Serenitys_Dream » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:14 pm
Anna.K wrote:
The motto that both STUDY use (Tim Simkins and TIAI Study) is not Study Peace. It's Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself. Clearly, you have not read the page thoroughly
Actually you clearly have not read my post. The first PDF I linked says exactly that.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
An introduction to S.T.U.D.Y - Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself
This pdf of a newsletter and is an introduction to techniques to use when undertaking Bible study. To learn to understand bible scripture on your own without having someone else tell you what the scripture means.
doc·trine n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Something taught; a teaching.
And Marlon Jackson did write "S.T.U.D.Y. peace" in the funeral book. This can be read two ways as in a clue to TS who at that time was using the screen name S.T.U.D.Y. and then "peace" as an ending to his message (goodbye sort of thing) or it could be a suggestion to utilize these educational tools, on the study.org site, in a quest for peace.Serenitys_Dream
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by Serenitys_Dream » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:40 am
Credit to Glinda @MJHDI
Jackson 5 : Man Of War Lyrics
Chorus:
Man of war
Don't go to war no more
Why don't you
Why don't you study peace
Man of war
Don't go to war no more
Study peace
Cause peace is what we need
You think your way
Is the best way for all
You don't know everything
You don't know it all
You got respect a man
For the way he feels
You can't make people do
Things against their will
[Chorus]
Just because your army
Gives you strength and might
Truth is gonna
win...wrong will
Never conquer right
Every man has the right to
Think and be free
You're like a spoiled brat
You want everything you see
You think you bombs
guns, and planes
Make you a big man
When you invade
Another man's land
Tryin' to make him be what
You want him be
Tryin' to make him do
What you want him to
Tryin' to make him say
What you want him to say
I know there's got to
Be a better way
You think your way
Is the best way for all
You don't know everything
You don't know it all
You got respect a man
For the way he feels
You can't make people do
Things against their will
[Chorus]
http://www.mp3lyrics.org/t/the-jackson-5/man/Last (http://www.mp3lyrics.org/t/the-jackson-5/man/Last) edited by Serenitys_Dream on Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
We discussed about this issue several months ago. Maybe you should read that topic. And TS wrote about that page in one of his updates. No need to bring old stories here.
I do not know the topic you suggest.
Why not? I thought that you had been reading the forum for such a long time. How did you miss that one especially when it comes to TS? I can offer you to check out the section we created for the beginner hoaxers and you can ask the admins where you can find the topics. Almost all of us know about this topic as we had talked about the issue several months ago and there's still no need to bring old ones here, especially with specific purposes! http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=102 And this one http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14529
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Hi SoldierofLove,
I was wondering if you could also share these on this part of the forum where we're talking about TS' old posts. I think that section would be better and more people would read these there.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14529
Thanks for the link, Uranus.
And here is other information from the thread you reference on MJHD. SD, I hope you don't mind me linking to your thorough research, please let us know if any of the info has changed since you first posted this on the other site:
FROM MJHD
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/ ... 3&start=50 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=1183&start=50)
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Re: S.T.U.D.Y. revealed
by Serenitys_Dream » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:02 pm
Okay so I went to Tim Simkins website at http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/ (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/)
and I have read the links there.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
An introduction to S.T.U.D.Y - Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself
This pdf of a newsletter and is an introduction to techniques to use when undertaking Bible study. To learn to understand bible scripture on your own without having someone else tell you what the scripture means.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf)
Are You: Response-Able? In other words, are you “ready always [able] to give an answer [response]” to
questions about what you believe? Even in secular education, a primary method of testing someone’s knowledge and understanding is through questions (and answers).
This pdf is explaining how to answers questions effectively about your beliefs regarding what you have learned through Bible study. How to effectively convey your beliefs to others, how to educate others of the meanings you have discovered through your study of the scriptures in the Bible.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF)
There’s little value examining specific truths, especially areas where there is a difference of belief—until we understand the basic principles that apply to all truths, and the basic principles involved in resolving differences of belief.
This pdf is again about addressing different beliefs, what is truth for each individual etc. All of this has to do with bible study and conveying what you have learned from your individual study to others.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF)
Especially from those who are teachers, the “not enough time” plea should never be heard! Are they too
busy teaching the “truth” (so-called), to find out if the teaching really is truth?!? As long as a teacher doesn’t
have enough time to answer the questions on a certain subject, he also doesn’t have enough time to teach that
subject! This principle holds true even in secular teachings—how much more so, in religious teachings!
This pdf is addressing issues of teaching about the Bible and conflicts one may have about accepting money for services etc. After reading these newsletters so far I am getting the feeling that Tim Simkins was teaching people how to effectively study the Bible and educate others. Teaching people how to be "Ministers", this does not seem to be a church itself or a cult but an educational tool to educate others about Bible study and become teachers/ministers.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF)
This final newsletter pdf is about how to create wedding videos and the advantages of having a wedding ceremony over getting married in a civil court. This again suggests that these newsletters are being directed towards Ministers and in an effort to help them teach about the bible and subjects important when one is educating a congregation.
I also went to the Response-Able website which is linked on the s-t-u-d-y.org page.
http://www.response-able.net/ (http://www.response-able.net/)
This site is under construction but there is an essay written here.
http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm (http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm)
This essay is again the information from the newsletters plus a further elaboration on the subjects.
Also there has been no further newsletters since 2005 and the above website has not been completed after having been originally created during the time these newsletters were posted. It appears that this idea was not successful has been abandoned or something.
My impression from this is that Tim Simkins is promoting an Educational System, tools to help understand the bible and transmit what you believe to others. He also wanted to link up churches that were using this system, no matter the denomination of the congregation, as means of improving and working out unity issues.
I am not really understanding why everyone sees this as a cult. There is also no mention of NWO, Illuminati, conspiracy theories, Michael Jackson or anything else that indicates that this is Tim Simkins agenda at all and that he may be responsible for TIAI.
TS wrote:
Quoted from Update #6:
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
What I see here is that TS freely admits that they are aware of this website. It seems to me that they have read the site and are utilizing the same techniques that Tim Simkins has written about but not to educate us on the bible but instead the Hoax. This does not mean that TS is Tim Simkins, it simply means that they read the information on how to approach educating others on a subject and they liked it and are using it to transmit the Hoax information to us.
I do not see how any of what I have read on these web pages has proven that TS is fake. This thread has not debunked them in the least.
Also let us not forget that Marlon Jackson wrote STUDY peace in the funeral book.
And finally, has anyone even tried to contact Tim Simkins and asked him about the S.T.U.D.Y. program and if he has any involvement in TIAI, if they are so skeptical about the "TS" on MJHDI?
Isn't it possible that the TS on this forum chose the initials "TS" because they were utilizing Mr. Simkins ideas about education etc in regards to informing us about the hoax? I mean I use Serenitys Dream or SD on this forum as my name, yet it has nothing to do with my actual name.Last edited by Serenitys_Dream on Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:08 pm, edited 1 time in total. Serenitys_Dream
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by Anna.K » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:07 pm
Serenitys_Dream wrote:
Okay so I went to Tim Simkins website at http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/ (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/)
and I have read the links there.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
An introduction to S.T.U.D.Y - Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself
This pdf of a newsletter and is an introduction to techniques to use when undertaking Bible study. To learn to understand bible scripture on your own without having someone else tell you what the scripture means.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/2Response-Able.pdf)
Are You: Response-Able? In other words, are you “ready always [able] to give an answer [response]” to
questions about what you believe? Even in secular education, a primary method of testing someone’s knowledge and understanding is through questions (and answers).
This pdf is explaining how to answers questions effectively about your beliefs regarding what you have learned through Bible study. How to effectively convey your beliefs to others, how to educate others of the meanings you have discovered through your study of the scriptures in the Bible.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/3FirstPrinciples.PDF)
There’s little value examining specific truths, especially areas where there is a difference of belief—until we understand the basic principles that apply to all truths, and the basic principles involved in resolving differences of belief.
This pdf is again about addressing different beliefs, what is truth for each individual etc. All of this has to do with bible study and conveying what you have learned from your individual study to others.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/4Understanding.PDF)
Especially from those who are teachers, the “not enough time” plea should never be heard! Are they too
busy teaching the “truth” (so-called), to find out if the teaching really is truth?!? As long as a teacher doesn’t
have enough time to answer the questions on a certain subject, he also doesn’t have enough time to teach that
subject! This principle holds true even in secular teachings—how much more so, in religious teachings!
This pdf is addressing issues of teaching about the Bible and conflicts one may have about accepting money for services etc. After reading these newsletters so far I am getting the feeling that Tim Simkins was teaching people how to effectively study the Bible and educate others. Teaching people how to be "Ministers", this does not seem to be a church itself or a cult but an educational tool to educate others about Bible study and become teachers/ministers.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/5Wed&Web.PDF)
This final newsletter pdf is about how to create wedding videos and the advantages of having a wedding ceremony over getting married in a civil court. This again suggests that these newsletters are being directed towards Ministers and in an effort to help them teach about the bible and subjects important when one is educating a congregation.
I also went to the Response-Able website which is linked on the s-t-u-d-y.org page.
http://www.response-able.net/ (http://www.response-able.net/)
This site is under construction but there is an essay written here.
http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm (http://www.response-able.net/Response.htm)
This essay is again the information from the newsletters plus a further elaboration on the subjects.
Also there has been no further newsletters since 2005 and the above website has not been completed after having been originally created during the time these newsletters were posted. It appears that this idea was not successful has been abandoned or something.
My impression from this is that Tim Simkins is promoting an Educational System, tools to help understand the bible and transmit what you believe to others. He also wanted to link up churches that were using this system, no matter the denomination of the congregation, as means of improving and working out unity issues.
I am not really understanding why everyone sees this as a cult. there is also no mention of NWO, Illuminati, conspiracy theories, Michael Jackson or anything else that indicates that this is Tim Simkins agenda at all and that he may be responsible for TIAI.
TS wrote:
Quoted from Update #6:
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
What I see here is that TS freely admits that they are aware of this website. It seems to me that they have read the site and are utilizing the same techniques that Tim Simkins has written about but not to educate us on the bible but instead the Hoax. This does not mean that TS is Tim Simkins, it simply means that they read the information on how to approach educating others on a subject and they liked it and are using it to transmit the Hoax information to us.
I do not see how any of what I have read on these web pages has proven that TS is fake. This thread has not debunked them in the least.
Also let us not forget that Marlon Jackson wrote STUDY peace in the funeral book.
And finally, has anyone even tried to contact Tim Simkins and asked him about the S.T.U.D.Y. program and if he has any involvement in TIAI, if they are so skeptical about the "TS" on MJHDI?
Isn't it possible that the TS on this forum chose the initials "TS" because they were utilizing Mr. Simkins ideas about education etc in regards to informing us about the hoax? I mean I use Serenitys Dream or SD on this forum as my name, yet it has nothing to do with my actual name.
The motto that both STUDY use (Tim Simkins and TIAI Study) is not Study Peace. It's Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself. Clearly, you have not read the page thoroughly
There's no sensation to compare with this
Suspended animation, a state of bliss
Can't keep my mind from the circling skies
Tongue-tied, twisted just an earthbound misfit
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by Serenitys_Dream » Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:14 pm
Anna.K wrote:
The motto that both STUDY use (Tim Simkins and TIAI Study) is not Study Peace. It's Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself. Clearly, you have not read the page thoroughly
Actually you clearly have not read my post. The first PDF I linked says exactly that.
xxxx wrote:
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
An introduction to S.T.U.D.Y - Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself
This pdf of a newsletter and is an introduction to techniques to use when undertaking Bible study. To learn to understand bible scripture on your own without having someone else tell you what the scripture means.
doc·trine n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Something taught; a teaching.
And Marlon Jackson did write "S.T.U.D.Y. peace" in the funeral book. This can be read two ways as in a clue to TS who at that time was using the screen name S.T.U.D.Y. and then "peace" as an ending to his message (goodbye sort of thing) or it could be a suggestion to utilize these educational tools, on the study.org site, in a quest for peace.Serenitys_Dream
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by Serenitys_Dream » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:40 am
Credit to Glinda @MJHDI
Jackson 5 : Man Of War Lyrics
Chorus:
Man of war
Don't go to war no more
Why don't you
Why don't you study peace
Man of war
Don't go to war no more
Study peace
Cause peace is what we need
You think your way
Is the best way for all
You don't know everything
You don't know it all
You got respect a man
For the way he feels
You can't make people do
Things against their will
[Chorus]
Just because your army
Gives you strength and might
Truth is gonna
win...wrong will
Never conquer right
Every man has the right to
Think and be free
You're like a spoiled brat
You want everything you see
You think you bombs
guns, and planes
Make you a big man
When you invade
Another man's land
Tryin' to make him be what
You want him be
Tryin' to make him do
What you want him to
Tryin' to make him say
What you want him to say
I know there's got to
Be a better way
You think your way
Is the best way for all
You don't know everything
You don't know it all
You got respect a man
For the way he feels
You can't make people do
Things against their will
[Chorus]
http://www.mp3lyrics.org/t/the-jackson-5/man/Last (http://www.mp3lyrics.org/t/the-jackson-5/man/Last) edited by Serenitys_Dream on Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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sure, pure love. i'm reading everything and trying to catch up on threads i've missed. i'm not on mjhd by i read what uranus linked us to. i will post the info i have where you've indicated.
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:ugeek:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Peter%203:1-13&version=AMP)
2 Peter 3:1-13 (Amplified Bible)
1 BELOVED, I am now writing you this second letter. In [both of] them I have stirred up your unsullied (sincere) mind by way of remembrance,
2 That you should recall the predictions of the holy (consecrated, dedicated) prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior [given] through your apostles (His special messengers).
3 To begin with, you must know and understand this, that scoffers (mockers) will come in the last days with scoffing, [people who] walk after their own fleshly desires
4 And say, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the forefathers fell asleep, all things have continued exactly as they did from the beginning of creation.
5 For they willfully overlook and forget this [fact], that the heavens [came into] existence long ago by the word of God, and the earth also which was formed out of water and by means of water,
6 Through which the world that then [existed] was deluged with water and perished.
7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been stored up (reserved) for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly people.
8 Nevertheless, do not let this one fact escape you, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord does not delay and is not tardy or slow about what He promises, according to some people's conception of slowness, but He is long-suffering (extraordinarily patient) toward you, not desiring that any should perish, but that all should turn to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are thus in the process of being dissolved, what kind of person ought [each of] you to be [in the meanwhile] in consecrated and holy behavior and devout and godly qualities,
12 While you wait and earnestly long for (expect and hasten) the coming of the day of God by reason of which the flaming heavens will be dissolved, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will flare and melt with fire?
13 But we look for new heavens and a new earth according to His promise, in which righteousness (uprightness, freedom from sin, and right standing with God) is to abide.
Peace
:ugeek:
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
I thought of that too. But if TS is so secretive about his identity, it doesn't make sense to me that a 30 second search on the internet uncovers the name Tim Simkin with S-T-U-D-Y. I mean, you'd think he'd cover his tracks more if that's who TS really is. But the writing style is similar which is why I won't dismiss Tim Simkin as a possibility, even if he has been debunked. The debunking could be "part of it" too.
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
I thought of that too. But if TS is so secretive about his identity, it doesn't make sense to me that a 30 second search on the internet uncovers the name Tim Simkin with S-T-U-D-Y. I mean, you'd think he'd cover his tracks more if that's who TS really is. But the writing style is similar which is why I won't dismiss Tim Simkin as a possibility, even if he has been debunked. The debunking could be "part of it" too.
And then we also have LMP with her special connection with TS:
LMP blog from the 26th June 2009 " ...watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again ..."
And LMP with her Back-like expressions:
LMP MJ interview with Oprah: " That was a train heading in a certain direction and no one could stop it"
Back on 29/06/2007: "You can try throwing as many speed bumps as you like. Watch them crumble. There's no stopping a locomotive at full speed and there's no stopping a 10 ton boulder dropping from the sky. This is a "takeover" and my "intuitive foresight" says "Ain't No Stopping Us Nowwwwww---We're On The Move".
With L.O.V.E
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sure, pure love. i'm reading everything and trying to catch up on threads i've missed. i'm not on mjhd by i read what uranus linked us to. i will post the info i have where you've indicated.
Thank you so much and God bless. :)
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
Hmmm. Excellent point PureLove.
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read more later.neeeeeed sleeeeeeep
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
@PureLove
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities. I have to remind you that a person can change his/her mind about something, you are a perfect example, only a few months ago you was the biggest TS opposer, now you think that MJ is TS and you feel free to jump on everybody who disagree with you, do you think it's fair? No, I don't think so... Let people express their point of view. Thank you.
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In the old post, TS did mention the option that the STUDY website with Tim Simkins could be a decoy. TS also mentioned now, how he might possibly have other user names (like BACK) where he uses other writing styles. Michael wears various disguises that usually are imitating a real person, such as DD, mayor as Tom Sneddon. Perhaps TS is Michael with a writing style that imitates Tim, and Back's style imitates someone, too. Who, I don't think anyone has suggested. This is an elaborate piece of art. Michael is ACTING, directing, producing, and more. Just thinking...
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What exactly is the BAM, does BAM stand for anything?
Like TS said:
This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months. Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
Is this supposed to be significant (meaning having so much info coming, does that show we are getting closer to the BAM?)
In my opinion it is not an abbreveation of certain words. It is just BAM= explosion. What I just heard now, the BAM scene starts with BAM...........ends with BAM. May be most of you knew it, but this is new for me. Below of my signature is a BAM fragment where is sounds very clear. So, he started with BAM=death announcement and will end with BAM=resurrection.
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I agree that if TS wants to stay anonymous, he would have covered his tracks, so that means we were meant to find Tim Simkins and his s.t.u.d.y. website. Could it mean that TS is Tim Simkins and is playing with hoaxers? Sure, but in that case I have a few questions:
-How did he get in contact with TMZ?
-How did he get so tied up with Sony?
-How did he get in contact with at least Marlon/Jermaine (since one of them made sure the Army of Love tweet was on the first page again).
-How did he know what we would see in TII?
-How did he know the parallels between MJ and the movie 2012?
Doesn't make sense. If he is a troll, he's a damn good one because not one other troll has ever provided info that he is linked to TMZ, Sony and the Jacksons.
There are some interesting things in his newsletters that caught my eye. First thing is that the last newsletter is from November 2003, right before MJ got arrested. No new newsletters are uploaded after that. Here is what he says about his plans on the web:
Yet the mere fact of publishing S.T.U.D.Y. material on the Web is not my main calling; it is the type of Web publishing that I am planning to do—which is unique, important, and my main calling. I plan to take Web publishing and doctrinal STUDY to a level never done before, as far as I know (and I am fairly sure that I would
know it, if anyone else out there were already doing what I am planning to do). I am not going to “let the cat out of the bag” just yet; but I will give a little detail regarding my plans in this newsletter, and there will be much more detail on this in my next (October) newsletter.
What I have in mind would be very difficult or impossible without the Internet; and although the Internet is used a lot in the promotion of evil, I believe that GOD has provided the Internet as a significant tool—perhaps even the primary tool—in getting the gospel message to every soul on this planet (see Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6; etc). Of course this does not mean that every soul will accept the truth, but the truth must be given so clearly that nobody can plead honest ignorance (see Acts 17:30,31; James 4:17; 2 Peter 3:3,5; etc).
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But the problem we face today is that there are continually more and more winds of doctrine blowing (see Ephesians 4:11-16), and so many different voices crying out so many different and conflicting messages, etc—that in view of the current condition of things: it seems almost impossible that the whole truth can go to the whole world. Then what hope is there? I firmly believe that there is hope!! And I also believe that the time is not far distant when there will not be any more honest ignorance in the world—praise the LORD!
How, then, can this be accomplished? Of course there will be many tools and many people involved in finishing this work; but I believe that if I am faithful to my calling, what I have planned for the Website will have a major impact on finishing the work of getting the whole truth to the whole world!
Think of it what you want, but I found it a little ambitious for just a Tim Simkins. It reminds me of this forum and the hoax.
There is also a newsletter about his wedding, which I found a little odd. A complete newsletter about a wedding and the emphasis on how to work with your video equipment, how DVD players work, where you can find info on DVD players, how to set the colors for your television screen. Very technical for something that should be romantic. I thought it was a little weird, but you should read it yourself. Tim Simkins allegedly has made lots of videos, yet not one is found anywhere on the internet. He says he's a regular speaker, yet I can't find him mentioned anywhere.
I enjoyed reading his newsletters as much as I enjoy TS' posts. Although he supposedly is talking about studying the Bible and uses many Bible scriptures, I thought his points are way more general and food for thought, not only about the truth in the Bible, but the truth in everything and that you need to be Response-Able, that you should have an answer for everything and not just blindly believe in yourself or others, but that you need to study yourself to get the answers to your unanswered questions. Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself. Doctrines are not always religious:
doc·trine (dktrn)
n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
Here is a part that I find quite interesting, but I advise to read it all, since it's a pretty good read, although quite long.
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People Can Give a Wrong Answer
A wrong answer can be defined as anything, other than silence, that is not a correct answer. A very common type of wrong answer is one that does not address the question (sidetracking); another type does address the question, but is an incomplete and/or inaccurate answer. Because of the potential for wrong answers: some may think that the Response-Able system will not be very effective, in distinguishing truth from error.
It is true that sidetracking is very frequently used, when someone can’t give a clear answer. There are examples of this in the Bible: “Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.” (John 18:29,30; see Mark 15:13,14; Luke 23:22,23; etc). They gave a reply, but it was not an answer to the question that Pilate asked—they did not state any specific “accusation”; they were sidetracking! “They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But [instead of answering] they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made ...” (Matthew 27:22-24). Here we see that instead of calm, intelligent reasoning: they were operating on raw emotions; and again, we see that their reply (“Let him be crucified”) was not an answer to the question (“what evil hath he done?”).
Another frequently used method of sidetracking is personal attacks, regarding the character of the one asking the question(s); it is an age-old tactic of the devil: if you can’t successfully attack the message, then attack the messenger! But even IF the accusations (stubborn, proud, unloving, etc) were true, and often they are not, this still would not be a valid reason to be excused from answering. The Scripture says: “… be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you …” (1 Peter 3:15; see Colossians 4:6; etc); it does not say that you may be excused from answering—as long as the other guy is stubborn, or proud, or unloving, etc.
Then there is the type of answer that does address the question, and yet fails to be an accurate answer. This is certainly better than sidetracking; and it may often be the result of an honest misunderstanding, instead of an intentional evasion of the truth (such as sidetracking). Nevertheless, it is still a wrong answer.
So how does the Response-Able system solve the problem of wrong answers? It helps to prevent raw emotional outbursts (such as the example in Matthew 27:22-24): by providing an environment that promotes calm, intelligent reasoning—since the questions and answers will be in writing, and available for everyone to carefully examine. This environment will also help to prevent sidetracking; in fact, it should even help to prevent an answer that does address the question, and yet isn’t carefully thought out (a quick or sloppy answer).
However, even with a carefully thought out answer: the possibility still exists for a mistake in the answer. And if that happens, and someone else has a better understanding of the point at hand: then the other person can provide additional information and questions, which will reveal the point of error—based on the same “give an answer” (or Response-Able) understanding test principle, etc.
I have a seven-year-old son, Teilen, who has at times done something wrong (believe it or not). When I confront him with a question, he often has no answer; and even at his young age: he knows that when he is guilty, he cannot give an honest and straight answer in defense of his actions. Sometimes when he can’t answer, he confesses that he did wrong; other times he tries to make excuses, and/or starts sidetracking. But all I have to do is ask one or two more questions, and then he is silenced—and ready to admit that he has done wrong.
So if an answer really is an error: then the question can be restated a little differently, and/or other additional questions asked, which will pinpoint the error; before too long, there will either be no answer—or else an obviously wrong answer (sidetracking, or nonsense, etc; see Exodus 32:21-24). In either case (whether no answer, or an obviously wrong answer): the truth on that point should surface, and become quite obvious.
Of course the ideal solution for wrong answers, is for everyone to follow all the principles of truth—and not give any wrong answers. But if it becomes obvious that a wrong answer has been given, then it will be time to change the teaching on that point. “Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.” (Proverbs 24:26).
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S.T.U.D.Y. To Understand Doctrines Yourself Tim, Sonya, and Teilen Simkin
My bet is that this site is created for the purpose of the hoax, for distraction, to see if anyone would dismiss TS' evidence because of it without studying themselves and I also think we should read and understand the newsletters. Even though Tim Simkins hasn't updated his site in 7 years, he still renews the domain every year.
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What exactly is the BAM, does BAM stand for anything?
Like TS said:
This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months. Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
Is this supposed to be significant (meaning having so much info coming, does that show we are getting closer to the BAM?)
In my opinion it is not an abbreveation of certain words. It is just BAM= explosion. What I just heard now, the BAM scene starts with BAM...........ends with BAM. May be most of you knew it, but this is new for me. Below of my signature is a BAM fragment where is sounds very clear. So, he started with BAM=death announcement and will end with BAM=resurrection.
Thanks for clearing that up. :D
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I agree that if TS wants to stay anonymous, he would have covered his tracks, so that means we were meant to find Tim Simkins and his s.t.u.d.y. website. Could it mean that TS is Tim Simkins and is playing with hoaxers? Sure, but in that case I have a few questions:
-How did he get in contact with TMZ?
-How did he get so tied up with Sony?
-How did he get in contact with at least Marlon/Jermaine (since one of them made sure the Army of Love tweet was on the first page again).
-How did he know what we would see in TII?
-How did he know the parallels between MJ and the movie 2012?
Doesn't make sense. If he is a troll, he's a damn good one because not one other troll has ever provided info that he is linked to TMZ, Sony and the Jacksons.
There are some interesting things in his newsletters that caught my eye. First thing is that the last newsletter is from November 2003, right before MJ got arrested. No new newsletters are uploaded after that. Here is what he says about his plans on the web:
Yet the mere fact of publishing S.T.U.D.Y. material on the Web is not my main calling; it is the type of Web publishing that I am planning to do—which is unique, important, and my main calling. I plan to take Web publishing and doctrinal STUDY to a level never done before, as far as I know (and I am fairly sure that I would
know it, if anyone else out there were already doing what I am planning to do). I am not going to “let the cat out of the bag” just yet; but I will give a little detail regarding my plans in this newsletter, and there will be much more detail on this in my next (October) newsletter.
What I have in mind would be very difficult or impossible without the Internet; and although the Internet is used a lot in the promotion of evil, I believe that GOD has provided the Internet as a significant tool—perhaps even the primary tool—in getting the gospel message to every soul on this planet (see Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6; etc). Of course this does not mean that every soul will accept the truth, but the truth must be given so clearly that nobody can plead honest ignorance (see Acts 17:30,31; James 4:17; 2 Peter 3:3,5; etc).
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But the problem we face today is that there are continually more and more winds of doctrine blowing (see Ephesians 4:11-16), and so many different voices crying out so many different and conflicting messages, etc—that in view of the current condition of things: it seems almost impossible that the whole truth can go to the whole world. Then what hope is there? I firmly believe that there is hope!! And I also believe that the time is not far distant when there will not be any more honest ignorance in the world—praise the LORD!
How, then, can this be accomplished? Of course there will be many tools and many people involved in finishing this work; but I believe that if I am faithful to my calling, what I have planned for the Website will have a major impact on finishing the work of getting the whole truth to the whole world!
Think of it what you want, but I found it a little ambitious for just a Tim Simkins. It reminds me of this forum and the hoax.
There is also a newsletter about his wedding, which I found a little odd. A complete newsletter about a wedding and the emphasis on how to work with your video equipment, how DVD players work, where you can find info on DVD players, how to set the colors for your television screen. Very technical for something that should be romantic. I thought it was a little weird, but you should read it yourself. Tim Simkins allegedly has made lots of videos, yet not one is found anywhere on the internet. He says he's a regular speaker, yet I can't find him mentioned anywhere.
I enjoyed reading his newsletters as much as I enjoy TS' posts. Although he supposedly is talking about studying the Bible and uses many Bible scriptures, I thought his points are way more general and food for thought, not only about the truth in the Bible, but the truth in everything and that you need to be Response-Able, that you should have an answer for everything and not just blindly believe in yourself or others, but that you need to study yourself to get the answers to your unanswered questions. Study To Understand Doctrines Yourself. Doctrines are not always religious:
doc·trine (dktrn)
n.
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
Here is a part that I find quite interesting, but I advise to read it all, since it's a pretty good read, although quite long.
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People Can Give a Wrong Answer
A wrong answer can be defined as anything, other than silence, that is not a correct answer. A very common type of wrong answer is one that does not address the question (sidetracking); another type does address the question, but is an incomplete and/or inaccurate answer. Because of the potential for wrong answers: some may think that the Response-Able system will not be very effective, in distinguishing truth from error.
It is true that sidetracking is very frequently used, when someone can’t give a clear answer. There are examples of this in the Bible: “Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.” (John 18:29,30; see Mark 15:13,14; Luke 23:22,23; etc). They gave a reply, but it was not an answer to the question that Pilate asked—they did not state any specific “accusation”; they were sidetracking! “They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But [instead of answering] they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made ...” (Matthew 27:22-24). Here we see that instead of calm, intelligent reasoning: they were operating on raw emotions; and again, we see that their reply (“Let him be crucified”) was not an answer to the question (“what evil hath he done?”).
Another frequently used method of sidetracking is personal attacks, regarding the character of the one asking the question(s); it is an age-old tactic of the devil: if you can’t successfully attack the message, then attack the messenger! But even IF the accusations (stubborn, proud, unloving, etc) were true, and often they are not, this still would not be a valid reason to be excused from answering. The Scripture says: “… be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you …” (1 Peter 3:15; see Colossians 4:6; etc); it does not say that you may be excused from answering—as long as the other guy is stubborn, or proud, or unloving, etc.
Then there is the type of answer that does address the question, and yet fails to be an accurate answer. This is certainly better than sidetracking; and it may often be the result of an honest misunderstanding, instead of an intentional evasion of the truth (such as sidetracking). Nevertheless, it is still a wrong answer.
So how does the Response-Able system solve the problem of wrong answers? It helps to prevent raw emotional outbursts (such as the example in Matthew 27:22-24): by providing an environment that promotes calm, intelligent reasoning—since the questions and answers will be in writing, and available for everyone to carefully examine. This environment will also help to prevent sidetracking; in fact, it should even help to prevent an answer that does address the question, and yet isn’t carefully thought out (a quick or sloppy answer).
However, even with a carefully thought out answer: the possibility still exists for a mistake in the answer. And if that happens, and someone else has a better understanding of the point at hand: then the other person can provide additional information and questions, which will reveal the point of error—based on the same “give an answer” (or Response-Able) understanding test principle, etc.
I have a seven-year-old son, Teilen, who has at times done something wrong (believe it or not). When I confront him with a question, he often has no answer; and even at his young age: he knows that when he is guilty, he cannot give an honest and straight answer in defense of his actions. Sometimes when he can’t answer, he confesses that he did wrong; other times he tries to make excuses, and/or starts sidetracking. But all I have to do is ask one or two more questions, and then he is silenced—and ready to admit that he has done wrong.
So if an answer really is an error: then the question can be restated a little differently, and/or other additional questions asked, which will pinpoint the error; before too long, there will either be no answer—or else an obviously wrong answer (sidetracking, or nonsense, etc; see Exodus 32:21-24). In either case (whether no answer, or an obviously wrong answer): the truth on that point should surface, and become quite obvious.
Of course the ideal solution for wrong answers, is for everyone to follow all the principles of truth—and not give any wrong answers. But if it becomes obvious that a wrong answer has been given, then it will be time to change the teaching on that point. “Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.” (Proverbs 24:26).
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S.T.U.D.Y. To Understand Doctrines Yourself Tim, Sonya, and Teilen Simkin
My bet is that this site is created for the purpose of the hoax, for distraction, to see if anyone would dismiss TS' evidence because of it without studying themselves and I also think we should read and understand the newsletters. Even though Tim Simkins hasn't updated his site in 7 years, he still renews the domain every year.
for some reason the last newsletter reminds me of MJ's birthday speach in 2003 when he tells the fans about his plans...... when he says i dont wanna give away too much,
its an interesting read...
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
@PureLove
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities. I have to remind you that a person can change his/her mind about something, you are a perfect example, only a few months ago you was the biggest TS opposer, now you think that MJ is TS and you feel free to jump on everybody who disagree with you, do you think it's fair? No, I don't think so... Let people express their point of view. Thank you.
Can you show me where I attacked to VeryLittleSusie in my post? I was adding some points and agreeing with her in her second option about TS. It is YOU who got it as an attack in which I never did! I need to ask you to stop jumping on me and try to blame me with the things I didn't do. Thank You.
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
@PureLove
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities. I have to remind you that a person can change his/her mind about something, you are a perfect example, only a few months ago you was the biggest TS opposer, now you think that MJ is TS and you feel free to jump on everybody who disagree with you, do you think it's fair? No, I don't think so... Let people express their point of view. Thank you.
Can you show me where I attacked to VeryLittleSusie in my post? I was adding some points and agreeing with her in her second option about TS. It is YOU who got it as an attack in which I never did! I need to ask you to stop jumping on me and try to blame me with the things I didn't do. Thank You.
Calm down.....I was talking IN GENERAL... I don't attack you, I've just asked you politely something, so your reply is way off....
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Sorry Puff, but you attacked PureLove for her post, since you quoted it and that was not really fair because she just gave a normal and calm answer to another member. But lately "Sorry seems to be the hardest word".
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Sorry Puff, but you attacked PureLove for her post, since you quoted it and that was not really fair because she just gave a normal and calm answer to another member. But lately "Sorry seems to be the hardest word".
No, Souza... I did not mention any of PureLove's replies, in fact I wrote:
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities
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Let people express their point of view
I was talking in general.. and yes I can repeat it: it's not fair.
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Sorry Puff, but you attacked PureLove for her post, since you quoted it and that was not really fair because she just gave a normal and calm answer to another member. But lately "Sorry seems to be the hardest word".
No, Souza... I did not mention any of PureLove's replies, in fact I wrote:
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities
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Let people express their point of view
I was talking in general.. and yes I can repeat it: it's not fair.
Scroll up and see what you quoted Puff. 'Nuff said.
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Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
@PureLove
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities. I have to remind you that a person can change his/her mind about something, you are a perfect example, only a few months ago you was the biggest TS opposer, now you think that MJ is TS and you feel free to jump on everybody who disagree with you, do you think it's fair? No, I don't think so... Let people express their point of view. Thank you.
Can you show me where I attacked to VeryLittleSusie in my post? I was adding some points and agreeing with her in her second option about TS. It is YOU who got it as an attack in which I never did! I need to ask you to stop jumping on me and try to blame me with the things I didn't do. Thank You.
Calm down.....I was talking IN GENERAL... I don't attack you, I've just asked you politely something, so your reply is way off....
You quoted my reply that I made to VeryLittleSusie and wrote under it that I didn't need to attack someone who disagrees with me. And I asked you where I attacked VeryLittleSusie. How can my reply is way off since you accused me of attacking her? It seems like you want to get my posts as an attack and that's not my problem. No need to discuss more about this nonsense.
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To this reader of the thread, it is clear that Puff attacked PureLove and falsely accused her of attacking people for not agreeing with her even though PureLove was involved in a respectful discussion with VeryLittleSuzy.
Ok Puff, now it's your turn, why you trippin? You're a MOD.
This some weird shizzle.
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To this reader of the thread, it is clear that Puff attacked PureLove and falsely accused her of attacking people for not agreeing with her even though PureLove was involved in a respectful discussion with VeryLittleSuzy.
Ok Puff, now it's your turn, why you trippin? You're a MOD.
This some weird shizzle.
I agree. What on earth is going on here lately... :|
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Here is something you should read, when you ask yourself who TS ( Timothy D. Simkin aka S.T.U.D.Y. ) is. In his newsletter from 2002 you can clearly see that he gravitates toward numerology. He also describes himself and what he feels his avocation is.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Wow, the similarity is striking! Especially underlining of some words in the text.
Hmm... There are 2 options: either Mr. Simkins is playing with our minds for his own entertainment... Or Michael (who also studied the Bible very carefully) might have known TS and asked him to prepare a solid background for the Hoax... Hmmm... Who knows... :?:
Even if TS is Tim Simkins, do we know who Tim Simkins is? Do we know if there's someone for real with the name of Tim Simkins? Anyone can use any name on the internet. How do we know that Tim Simkins is not an internet name that is used by MJ himself? With the information TS provided us, I do not doubt that he is an insider or probably Michael himself. So I go with number two.
@PureLove[/color]
No need to attack who doesn't agree with you, thank god we have different thoughts and personalities. I have to remind you that a person can change his/her mind about something, you are a perfect example, only a few months ago you was the biggest TS opposer, now you think that MJ is TS and you feel free to jump on everybody who disagree with you, do you think it's fair? No, I don't think so... Let people express their point of view. Thank you.
Can you show me where I attacked to VeryLittleSusie in my post? I was adding some points and agreeing with her in her second option about TS. It is YOU who got it as an attack in which I never did! I need to ask you to stop jumping on me and try to blame me with the things I didn't do. Thank You.
Calm down.....I was talking IN GENERAL... I don't attack you, I've just asked you politely something, so your reply is way off....
There you are, in red..
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Probably I quoted the wrong PureLove's reply, but if you go through her replies, posted on the other threads as well, you understand what I was talking about.
So, I apologize for that, but the meaning of my statement doesn't change.
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After going through all the replies in this thread again I decided that the time has come to set the records straight about the things that set everything in motion, because again due to holding back information people are led to think into a certain direction.
The following has been known by a few other people for months, so there's no use of accusing me of making all of this up. Before making comments about 'integrity', ask yourself if integrity means keep holding back information to lead people to think into a desired direction.
The blogs "Debunking “Wacko Jacko” for once and for all!", "Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?", "The Grammys 2010: Caves are opened, sharp exits are made" and "V for Vendetta – V for Vengeance" were NOT initiated by Souza and me. Therefore, these theories are not OUR theories.
I had never heard of the illuminati, and Souza ridiculed the indea of the illuminati being involved with a hoax or murder plot right from the beginning. It wasn't until an anonymous person kept urging us to research MK Ultra and the illuminati that we started reading up on it, which resulted in the blog "Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?". The very same anonymous person "hinted" us about an obedience drug (fluoride), kept urging us about the importance of TIAI, and asked us to blog about the Grammys and the trial. When we had questions, this anonymous person answered them. He had his answers to many of the questions we had, but some things 'he could not tell us'. These blogs actually are HIS theories, not ours, we only wrote them based on the information the anonymous person gave us while he kept out of sight. The 'clues' in MJ's songs and speeches are HIS clues, not ours. Many of the statements we made over the past 12 months are actually HIS statements, not ours.
Although some predictions he did came true, in example the fall of MJHD last year in November, this anonymous person gave us key dates and predicted events, but these days went by unnoticed and these events never occurred. We had a theory of a bamsday of which he said: "That's it.", but that date also went by while nothing happened.
Certain inside information he gave us to reward us for our work I recently found out was already available on the internet before he gave it to us, even the insider photograph was already out there and discussed. Inside information turned out to be public information after all.
All the above info was 'given' to us in PM. The only big difference between this anonymous person and TIAI/TS is that the anonymous person repeatedly told us that he despises religion as according to him religion is a mind fuck and another way to brainwash and control people, while TIAI/TS keeps shoving bible quotes down our throats and encouraged us to go "door to door" with the Elvis/MJ issue. If the anonymous person we talked to in PM is one of MJ's informers and strongly objects to everything that has to do with religion, then there's a HUGE contradiction with the messages by TIAI/TS. If TIAI/TS is one of MJ's informers, then there's a HUGE contradiction with the "helper" we talked to in PM.
All this has never been made public, as well as investigation into certain clues that have never been made public as I was not permitted to post that clue research info because 'this could influence the believe of the hoaxers'.
I found out certain things which made me realize that there had been a clever use of our credulity, which resulted in us starting to 'unfold' the purpose of this hoax through our blogs, posts and videos. Our findings were 'confirmed' by TIAI/TS, and TIAI/TS and this anonymous person clearly are connected. After the anonymous person hightailed it in the beginning of March due to an argument in PM TS completely took over, taking things a step further with every post he made.
The above, and the persuading redirects to the MJ/Elvis issue caused me to start investigating everything again, but this time I kept in mind that we could have been fooled. During this research I time after time bumped into findings which in my opinion confirms this.
So, there is no "Souza and Mo theory" at all. All we have ever written in the above mentioned blogs was whispered into our ears and confirmed by anonymous persons. I'm sorry for being gullible and I apologize for bringing this out in the open so late, but unless ALL the information is given the members here have no idea what's going on.
The confirmation of the purpose of MJ's hoax people still hold on to is the Dangerous autograph, explained by TS in Update #4b. NO ONE knows if that explanation is the truth, it is the ONLY Dangerous autograph which is signed that way, and explained by TS who is yet another anonymous person. There's a Michael Jackson autograph with 1998 written next to it in the Victory tour book, long before the Bad album and Moonwalker and long before 06/25/2009.
Michael Jackson ONLY wore the number 777. The numbers 333, 666 and 999 he never wore or used. Everything that has to do with 333, 666 and 999 was brought in by TS. Yes, that explanation sounded logical, especially after the blogs we wrote, the videos we made, the TIAI redirects and the TS posts. But keep in mind that this was ALL information given by ANONYMOUS PERSONS, and NONE of us know what purpose these people have in mind.
I'm baffled to see continues vicious attacks on people appearing time after time, while everything regarding "the theory" is in fact based on what a few anonymous people, who clearly cooperated to get THEIR word out, whispered into our ears and about which we blogged. It's ironic how other people in this hoax were "finished off" because they wrote their theories based on what their "informers" told them, yet The Theory here is based on the very same thing. It's ALL assumptions, and it's time people start realizing this.
I really don't care who these anonymous persons are, even if they were Michael Jackson himself, his relatives or persons he "send to help". I'm sick and tired of the manipulation, the telling of half truths, the attacks and the attempts to silence people who do know what happened behind the scenes. We're here to find out the TRUTH, and the TRUTH won't be found by holding information back. If we want to fight the illuminati and NWO, half truths and manipulation will have to be banned from our own community first.
I will continue my research and publish the outcome of it, because this STILL is an investigation website. Unless EVERYTHING is investigated, there's no investigation at all.
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Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
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Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
Can you elaborate on this a bit more?
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Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
Can you elaborate on this a bit more?
It was a private joke I was having with another member in pm......I was hoping to be entertained a bit more...... that's all!!
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" Sigh " So in effect the whole TS could be a Hoax perpetrated by some unknown person with a lot of time on their hands to create an elaborate series of posts. " Sigh"
Once again we are left to wonder WHO could be playing games with us? Maybe an elaborate scheme....maybe not. Maybe it is all real......maybe not. Maybe a mean Hoax within the Hoax......maybe not. "sigh" Thanks for info Mo. appreciate the honesty.
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Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
Can you elaborate on this a bit more?
It was a private joke I was having with another member in pm......I was hoping to be entertained a bit more...... that's all!!
Oh ok :) I think you aren't the only one that is entertained now......
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Waiting for Souza's answer... :D How do we know for sure Mo that you are not being whispered things now? No offense of course it's just that you know... :?
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Waiting for Souza's answer... :D How do we know for sure Mo that you are not being whispered things now? No offense of course it's just that you know... :?
I have tons of written evidence proving what I wrote is the truth.
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Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
LOL seems like. It's thrilling huh? :lol: don't know how it will end but the truth is really destined to prevail...
Waiting for Souza's answer... :D How do we know for sure Mo that you are not being whispered things now? No offense of course it's just that you know... :?
I have tons of written evidence proving what I wrote is the truth.
Okay I still have to think about all that.
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To Mo (thanks for the post) and Souza based on the info TS and the other anonymous person gave you, is TS more credible than the anonymous person or vice versa or are they equally the same or not yet to be proven credible?
Thanks Again. :)
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After going through all the replies in this thread again I decided that the time has come to set the records straight about the things that set everything in motion, because again due to holding back information people are led to think into a certain direction.
The following has been known by a few other people for months, so there's no use of accusing me of making all of this up. Before making comments about 'integrity', ask yourself if integrity means keep holding back information to lead people to think into a desired direction.
The blogs "Debunking “Wacko Jacko” for once and for all!", "Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?", "The Grammys 2010: Caves are opened, sharp exits are made" and "V for Vendetta – V for Vengeance" were NOT initiated by Souza and me. Therefore, these theories are not OUR theories.
I had never heard of the illuminati, and Souza ridiculed the indea of the illuminati being involved with a hoax or murder plot right from the beginning. It wasn't until an anonymous person kept urging us to research MK Ultra and the illuminati that we started reading up on it, which resulted in the blog "Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control?". The very same anonymous person "hinted" us about an obedience drug (fluoride), kept urging us about the importance of TIAI, and asked us to blog about the Grammys and the trial. When we had questions, this anonymous person answered them. He had his answers to many of the questions we had, but some things 'he could not tell us'. These blogs actually are HIS theories, not ours, we only wrote them based on the information the anonymous person gave us while he kept out of sight. The 'clues' in MJ's songs and speeches are HIS clues, not ours. Many of the statements we made over the past 12 months are actually HIS statements, not ours.
Although some predictions he did came true, in example the fall of MJHD last year in November, this anonymous person gave us key dates and predicted events, but these days went by unnoticed and these events never occurred. We had a theory of a bamsday of which he said: "That's it.", but that date also went by while nothing happened.
Certain inside information he gave us to reward us for our work I recently found out was already available on the internet before he gave it to us, even the insider photograph was already out there and discussed. Inside information turned out to be public information after all.
All the above info was 'given' to us in PM. The only big difference between this anonymous person and TIAI/TS is that the anonymous person repeatedly told us that he despises religion as according to him religion is a mind fuck and another way to brainwash and control people, while TIAI/TS keeps shoving bible quotes down our throats and encouraged us to go "door to door" with the Elvis/MJ issue. If the anonymous person we talked to in PM is one of MJ's informers and strongly objects to everything that has to do with religion, then there's a HUGE contradiction with the messages by TIAI/TS. If TIAI/TS is one of MJ's informers, then there's a HUGE contradiction with the "helper" we talked to in PM.
All this has never been made public, as well as investigation into certain clues that have never been made public as I was not permitted to post that clue research info because 'this could influence the believe of the hoaxers'.
I found out certain things which made me realize that there had been a clever use of our credulity, which resulted in us starting to 'unfold' the purpose of this hoax through our blogs, posts and videos. Our findings were 'confirmed' by TIAI/TS, and TIAI/TS and this anonymous person clearly are connected. After the anonymous person hightailed it in the beginning of March due to an argument in PM TS completely took over, taking things a step further with every post he made.
The above, and the persuading redirects to the MJ/Elvis issue caused me to start investigating everything again, but this time I kept in mind that we could have been fooled. During this research I time after time bumped into findings which in my opinion confirms this.
So, there is no "Souza and Mo theory" at all. All we have ever written in the above mentioned blogs was whispered into our ears and confirmed by anonymous persons. I'm sorry for being gullible and I apologize for bringing this out in the open so late, but unless ALL the information is given the members here have no idea what's going on.
The confirmation of the purpose of MJ's hoax people still hold on to is the Dangerous autograph, explained by TS in Update #4b. NO ONE knows if that explanation is the truth, it is the ONLY Dangerous autograph which is signed that way, and explained by TS who is yet another anonymous person. There's a Michael Jackson autograph with 1998 written next to it in the Victory tour book, long before the Bad album and Moonwalker and long before 06/25/2009.
Michael Jackson ONLY wore the number 777. The numbers 333, 666 and 999 he never wore or used. Everything that has to do with 333, 666 and 999 was brought in by TS. Yes, that explanation sounded logical, especially after the blogs we wrote, the videos we made, the TIAI redirects and the TS posts. But keep in mind that this was ALL information given by ANONYMOUS PERSONS, and NONE of us know what purpose these people have in mind.
I'm baffled to see continues vicious attacks on people appearing time after time, while everything regarding "the theory" is in fact based on what a few anonymous people, who clearly cooperated to get THEIR word out, whispered into our ears and about which we blogged. It's ironic how other people in this hoax were "finished off" because they wrote their theories based on what their "informers" told them, yet The Theory here is based on the very same thing. It's ALL assumptions, and it's time people start realizing this.
I really don't care who these anonymous persons are, even if they were Michael Jackson himself, his relatives or persons he "send to help". I'm sick and tired of the manipulation, the telling of half truths, the attacks and the attempts to silence people who do know what happened behind the scenes. We're here to find out the TRUTH, and the TRUTH won't be found by holding information back. If we want to fight the illuminati and NWO, half truths and manipulation will have to be banned from our own community first.
I will continue my research and publish the outcome of it, because this STILL is an investigation website. Unless EVERYTHING is investigated, there's no investigation at all.
Excellent post Mo, I can back this story up myself, since I was there when Mo & Souza discussed this matter. It s clear to me someone is trying to control the information we get. It has even gone so far that info is being witheld from this forum, it's time the trut is revealed.....
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Is it me or all that sounds scripted?
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Nothing more to add.
Mo is telling the truth in her last post.
Why?
Because I know.
Mo you have my full support!
Chappie
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Is it me or all that sounds scripted?
It's absolutely not just you, my dear...
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Nothing more to add.
Mo is telling the truth in her last post.
Why?
Because I know.
Mo you have my full support!
Chappie
So we just have to believe you?
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The truth should prevail, at least they say so....
Thanks Mo for letting us know what happened behind the curtain.....
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Nothing more to add.
Mo is telling the truth in her last post.
Why?
Because I know.
Mo you have my full support!
Chappie
So we just have to believe you?
Yes.
And I am not going to argue.
This is IT and let me tell you This is NO Shit!
I have that information from the beginning.
Chappie
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Hello
This is my very first post and probably also my last one.
I am a lurker from the very first beginning of this hoax.
I watch, I read, and make up my own mind. I love it and just see this whole thing as one exciting book, and no one knows how it is going to end.
There were times when I thought “ok, I login” , but never did it. It’s difficult to express yourself on paper. No one knows your mood and a lot of written messages are often misunderstood. Also something I’ve discovered reading this forum. And besides that English is not my first languish.
Today Mo’s post took me over the edge. I have always thought there was more behind the whole hoax thing. The informers, TS/TIAI and all the others things that passed by and still are going on.
Who are they, what do they want? Is it a test, mind control, to see how people can be influenced? The only thing I can think of: no matter what people write about MJ, it’s news (good or bad) and keeps his legacy alive and brings in a lot of money. Or is there really a death hoax going on.
I hope we will find the truth.
Love you all :D
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I know I do not post much but I follow this site and admire your efforts and unity....
My opinion on numerology is this
- numerology is very well represented on kabbalah and various religions ( recommend Papus/Gérard Encauss works on Kabalah and numerology )
- while certain numbers that are so well known - as the significance of 7 as holly number, 3 seen as symbol of trinity, 666 satanic number, 13 unlucky number etc - and folks paying certain amount of attention to these numbers I see as perfect normal
- Also the number 7 is very important in MIke's life. But we see it now, it's sort like destiny... Not Mike as in doing calculations to fit his life around those numbers, to fit the number 7. Numbers are important in ones destiny, but we only see it after time passes not before. We cannot shape life around numbers.
- to make calculations on everything, and assume Mike calculated everything and shaped his life for years this way.... now this is huge difference.... Mike wore 777 numbers, was fascinated with 7, under his signature wrote for few years the 1998 year ( childish thing ) and that was pretty much everything, the only connections that Mike had with numerology. I do not believe Mike shaped his years of life here, making calculations to fit other calculations.
- some people think that numbers can influence ones life but through centuries I do not see that this can be proved
- However number connections can be made in infinite permutations about everything, every subject every topic, everything can be expressed in numbers and random links can be made in all directions, showing them as having some 'deep meaning'.... when in fact are just connections, nothing more... Links that human mind can make and play with.... One can make those links relating for example a potato to the moon. Or excrement to diamonds. ( let me do the calculations LOL )
- Those theories escaping control, made in abundance, with those countless numbers and calculations - sorry for me saying this - are signs of people manipulating others to fit their agenda, or even worse people generating huge amounts of these, can show signs of paranoia syndrome, with conspiracy theories as part of the hallucination process.
If one want to understand this better - there are clinical books out there, dealing with paranoia, or even easier a movie I recommend - Beautiful Mind ( got Oscar for best film ) where the central personage is dealign with this disease, and losing himself in calculations. The film inspired by real life/character.
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Nothing more to add.
Mo is telling the truth in her last post.
Why?
Because I know.
Mo you have my full support!
Chappie
So we just have to believe you?
Yes.
And I am not going to argue.
This is IT and let me tell you This is NO Shit!
I have that information from the beginning.
Chappie
What information exactly? I mean elaborate a little because here there's no proof only talk. I can also say that I know things about the hoax that no one knows. Do you believe me? No. I don't want to argue I just want to understand if there is something to understand of course. You guys say that you are for the truth etc., but you waited that long to say that. Why now? In what state of mind where you when "you knew" and you saw all of us little sheeps following the wrong path? This is not very credible you must admit (if it is true of course I still sense some scripted things here the timing is way too odd!!).
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Is it me or all that sounds scripted?
It's absolutely not just you, my dear...
Not by me Sarahli. Look at how keyboardwizz is supporting, who has operated the thisisalmostit twitter account with Mo's approval all this time. Talking about manipulation.
Now we are only waiting for puff. Here is my response:
You will not like this again, but I want to comment on your post, because again this is twisting the facts, which is something you have been desperately doing for weeks now. I do see now what your problem is, it is as I expected and pointed out to you a few times in my e-mails.
Since YOU now want to discuss the person who we talked to, while you were the one who wanted to protect him so anxiously all these months, I want to say some things as well, because what you are doing now is not fair at all and again shows your lack of integrity and you are clearly trying to manipulate the members because you need supporters for your new theory that allows vicious attacks on other people.
First of all let's make it clear that you chose to attack me on the forum for your own personal gain, because you have had a problem with me since day 1. Many times have you complained that I had more followers on Twitter, that people write Souza & Mo instead of Mo & Souza, you had a problem that TS didn't redirect to your posts enough, and every time he redirected to one of mine I felt uncomfortable because I knew you would have a problem with it again. All this time the problem was credits, credits for Mo, because if I posted something without putting your name underneath it, I had a problem and you would be cranky for days. Yet on the other hand many people also thanked you for certain things you never contributed to, and I never cared, because we were in this together. But after all the issues I told you we should split up and work alone, to avoid more issues. So that is what we did and you accused me after that for being on a solo-tour. Apparently you don't need me because you can think so well for yourself, so what do you need me for? I told you many times that this is not a game for me, and that it isn't about credits. It's not a rat race and there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
As for the person who helped us out, you are pissed because he hasn't been in contact since March, and that is the sole reason you are now attacking him and questioning his intentions.
Distance yourself from the theories Mo, I don't care, but to the members I would like to say the following about this person:
This person is someone I got in contact with in September 2009. This person mentioned very interested things and that is why I decided to contact HIM, not the other way around. This person never shoved anything up our throats. At first, before Mo joined the conversations, we just had nice talks, about things unrelated to the hoax. I started to ask questions about things and later on Mo joined and did the same. All he did was answer our questions and he never said we had to post certain things. He said many times "I don't tell you what to do, I only answer your questions". With every blog we wrote we verified things on the internet, with sources outside of TS/TIAI. All our blogs are sourced and never have we claimed that we had an informer, since everything we posted was from other sources, and not just merely a Q&A from an informer like we had with BoW. We always said they were theories, we never claimed it to be truth, and people have always been able to believe it or not. As for the V for Vendetta blog, that is not a theory at all, those are facts. This makes the blogs OUR theories and no one else's.
This person has always been very respectful about Mike and his family and gave us valuable information that helped us write our blogs. But never did he shove something down our throats. Every blog written is very well investigated and verified with sources on the internet. This person has always been nice to us and gave us advise how to protect our personal info and he always let us think for ourselves. The fact that you now reject the blogs is probably because I wrote most of it and read more about the issues discussed. Therefore I can still stand right behind the theories. You can distance yourself from them, but you can't debunk them either, same as you can't debunk TS and that is why you are desperately trying to manipulate the members now with your attacks towards TS and this person, let's call him 'Bob'. The fact that you can't wrap your mind around TS' post, the fact that you can't understand the math, doesn't mean the posts are BS. I am still waiting for answers to many of my questions in previous posts, but you can't seem to answer them.
'Bob', like TS, has ties with TMZ. Many times he has proven that to us with articles on TMZ that had things discussed between us in it, or even literal wording. 'Bob' hasn't contacted us since March because of a misunderstanding between him and myself, Mo wasn't even there and first attacked me for fucking it up. I had to let her read the discussion 10 times before she saw the misunderstanding. As lovely as 'Bob' often was, he could piss me off sometimes when he had a bad day. For months and months 'Bob' talked to us, answered questions and just entertained us with his extremely good sense of humor. Mo has been pissed from that moment on that he didn't talk to her either anymore after the fall/out he had with me and that kept an issue. As pissed as I was in the beginning about this misunderstanding and his assumption that was not true, I left it behind me. For months he had helped us out and I appreciated that, but I don´t need him to function.
If 'Bob' and TS are fooling people, TMZ and the family are doing the same. But in that case I think it should be very easy to debunk TS but until now, no one even came close. It´s easy to say `TS is fooling people but I can´t tell you why because I suck at math`. Ask someone else if you suck at math yourself. Same with the Elvis connection. I would like to see someone debunk that fact.
It is also not true that TS took over when 'Bob' left, TS was redirecting for months already and had posted up until update 3 already, so that is again manipulation of the facts. As for the bamsday we had in mind, that was just one sentence on the bottom in a 2-page theory we had back then about a connection with a picture from TII and a city in the US. Big chance he meant ´that´s it´ about the theory, since he told me before that alleged bamsday that that was not the date. That´s how facts can be twisted and things written on a screen misunderstood, just like the issue I had with ´Bob´ in March. The danger of the internet.
Here are a few questions again to you Mo, please answer them:
-If TS is a fraud, then Bob is as well, but also the family and TMZ. Please tell me why the family would support a post from TS by getting the Army of LOVE tweet on the bottom of the page again.
-Why would TMZ support TS and 'Bob'? TMZ is getting 2,466,367 pageviews a day, I bet thay can miss the annoying hoaxers with their annoying questions they are not allowed to answer anyway.
-What is suddenly not plausible about the theories on the blog? What made you change your mind? Who is telling you what? Or do you just want the forum members to support you so you can get rid of me? That way you will get all the credits huh? But I am not going to let that happen.
Again you are attacking people, including me, based on a new theory and assumptions. Never have I seen TS or 'Bob', do the same. You lack common sense again. Still waiting for your coherent theory that shows .
As for banning members, I think I remember where you banned Gema once, without reason and I got the shit while I didn't even agree with it and unbanned her. Every single member I banned was a member that couldn't behave. I have disagreements with many people here on the board, yet they are still here, so don't accuse me of silencing people. Take a long look in the mirror Mo.
You keep attacking ME for manipulation here on the board, yet all you are doing is manipulating people yourself with your "OMG I'm so honest" posts. You have no answers to any of my questions and you haven't debunked a thing. You are showing your true colors Mo. You lack patience, trust and you are too obsessed with this, that is why you are pissed at everyone. 'Bob' couldn't answer everything, just like the family can't say it all yet, like TMZ still can't report it and TS can't reveal it all yet. Although the goal is big, he added some entertainment too and we have to accept that we can't know it all (yet). Next time when you attack people, including me, post your theory with it that proves your claims. As long as it is just another theory, refrain from your vicious attacks and manipulation towards other people. And stop complaining about me and twisting the facts towards the mods. This is all to get me off the board and it's not going to work. Who is silencing who here?
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Thank you Souza for that reply. Makes more sense. I just have a question if you are willing to answer about what sponge "Bob" did say about religion. Is it correct?
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Thank you Souza for that reply. Makes more sense. I just have a question if you are willing to answer about what sponge "Bob" did say about religion. Is it correct?
I forget to mention that. 'Bob' said, and I quote: "God doesn't need man in dresses" or something in that order, I can't check it now since I am at work. So 'Bob' does believe in God, yet thinks religion is a way to control people. Which I agree with when you look at all the wars that happened due to religion. If you link 'Bob' to TS and TS to Tim Simkins of the www.s-t-u-d-y.org (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org) website, you will see that that is also what Tim Simkins says, that many religious leaders do not preach the truth about the Bible and that you should think and study for yourself to find the truth.
I am not religious, but I have said many times I believe there is 'something' that is guiding us. If people call that 'God', then yes, I believe in God. Religion is something man-made and it's purpose is to restrict people from living their lives fully. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and we don't need religious leaders who tell us what we should or shouldn't do. Mankind is by nature good, other men make some people evil. It's like with animals. Every animal is good by nature, but if you try hard enough and condition them the wrong way, they can become false. You can also contition them in a good way. My dog listens to me, but is not false and has a great life. My parents 'conditioned' me, but in a good way. They taught me to become a good person and have respect to other people, animals and nature. This is not a mind fuck or mind control, it's guiding someone to become a good person.
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Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
you said this before..... I'm going to start counting it :lol:
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Nothing more to add.
Mo is telling the truth in her last post.
Why?
Because I know.
Mo you have my full support!
Chappie
So we just have to believe you?
Yes.
And I am not going to argue.
This is IT and let me tell you This is NO Shit!
I have that information from the beginning.
Chappie
What information exactly? I mean elaborate a little because here there's no proof only talk. I can also say that I know things about the hoax that no one knows. Do you believe me? No. I don't want to argue I just want to understand if there is something to understand of course. You guys say that you are for the truth etc., but you waited that long to say that. Why now? In what state of mind where you when "you knew" and you saw all of us little sheeps following the wrong path? This is not very credible you must admit (if it is true of course I still sense some scripted things here the timing is way too odd!!).
Ok
Is the fact that I have contact with Mo And Souza on a daily basis, skype or skype phone for months enough?
So I know what this is all about.
And I just keep to the information I heard and have seen.
Call me a Mo and Souza Insider.
And for Mo, she is just giving the facts based on research, nothing more...
Souza, stop what you are doing or I will react to some things you are writing in your post.
You know what I am talking about.
Keep private things in the closet and keep to the facts!
Or could I be banned for telling the truth?
;)
Chappie
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what the fuck is going on here
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Thank you Souza for that reply. Makes more sense. I just have a question if you are willing to answer about what sponge "Bob" did say about religion. Is it correct?
I forget to mention that. 'Bob' said, and I quote: "God doesn't need man in dresses" or something in that order, I can't check it now since I am at work. So 'Bob' does believe in God, yet thinks religion is a way to control people. Which I agree with when you look at all the wars that happened due to religion. If you link 'Bob' to TS and TS to Tim Simkins of the http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org) website, you will see that that is also what Tim Simkins says, that many religious leaders do not preach the truth about the Bible and that you should think and study for yourself to find the truth.
I am not religious, but I have said many times I believe there is 'something' that is guiding us. If people call that 'God', then yes, I believe in God. Religion is something man-made and it's purpose is to restrict people from living their lives fully. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and we don't need religious leaders who tell us what we should or shouldn't do. Mankind is by nature good, other men make some people evil. It's like with animals. Every animal is good by nature, but if you try hard enough and condition them the wrong way, they can become false. You can also contition them in a good way. My dog listens to me, but is not false and has a great life. My parents 'conditioned' me, but in a good way. They taught me to become a good person and have respect to other people, animals and nature. This is not a mind fuck or mind control, it's guiding someone to become a good person.
Ok thanks I thought something else, I agree with Bob then and Tim as well and what you say is pertinent so I also agree with you. Okay everything ends well finally. :lol:
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Chappie, you decided to choose Mo's side and that is fine, but all I said in my post was the honest truth and you know that as well since you and I have discussed this many times and I pointed out what my issue with all this was many times. It's not the questioning, it's the deliberately causing controversy and attacks towards people based on empty accusations.
I don't need supporters, I know who I am and I know what I stand for and what I want to see on this forum, which is RESPECT. If others keep accusing me of things untrue, I loose respect as well. I am being attacked for weeks on my own forum because the other admin is pissed. I am accused of manipulation, together with other people, based on assumptions and theories. I will never let anyone discredit me like that.
And no worries, this was all I had to say about this issue, it's all there and the members can think for themselves, but I have the RIGHT to comment on this.
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Chappie, you decided to choose Mo's side and that is fine, but all I said in my post was the honest truth and you know that as well since you and I have discussed this many times and I pointed out what my issue with all this was many times. It's not the questioning, it's the deliberately causing controversy and attacks towards people based on empty accusations.
I don't need supporters, I know who I am and I know what I stand for and what I want to see on this forum, which is RESPECT. If others keep accusing me of things untrue, I loose respect as well. I am being attacked for weeks on my own forum because the other admin is pissed. I am accused of manipulation, together with other people, based on assumptions and theories. I will never let anyone discredit me like that.
And no worries, this was all I had to say about this issue, it's all there and the members can think for themselves, but I have the RIGHT to comment on this.
I DONT CHOOSE ANYBODY'S SIDE!!!!!!
I KEEP TO FACTS NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS.
TELLING THE TRUTH IS NOT ABOUT CHOOSING A SIDE SOUZA!
CHAPPIE
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So then tell me what is not the truth about my post Chap? I balanced her post, because I have the right to, since she keeps attacking me. She blocked me on MSN, Skype and dismisses every e-mail, so thi is the only way I CAN react.
Shall we just take this private, instead of causing another war on the board?
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So then tell me what is not the truth about my post Chap? I balanced her post, because I have the right to, since she keeps attacking me. She blocked me on MSN, Skype and dismisses every e-mail, so thi is the only way I CAN react.
Shall we just take this private, instead of causing another war on the board?
What is wrong about the truth Souza?
Dutch:Als je A zegt kan je B verwachten.
And I am the last one that wants to start a war.
I just listen and never judge people.
I am on nobody's side and you know that for months!
Just keep to the facts and nothing else.
Chappie
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...All this controversy!!!
Woaw!!! Who would have thought about this in-fighting when reading the "doubledutchblogs"!!!
http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/author/doubledutchblogs/page/9/
Mo & Souza! I think it may be time for Badkolo to make another soup and invite Puff and Chappie as well ... sometimes soup discussions are the best way to remove tensions... I never thought it was the case when I was a kid but I guess it was part of my education...
With L.O.V.E
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what the fuck is going on here
LOL. :lol:
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what the fuck is going on here
LOL. :lol:
Just keeping the truth alive... nothing more.
It's all about Love...
Not about starting a war.
Just facts and not an attack on people.
I am the last one that wants that.
But sometimes the truth has to be said.
And that could hurt.
So be it.
Chappie
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what the fuck is going on here
LOL. :lol:
Haha! This is awesome! What a mess :lol:
But no... Really it isn't. I know Michael wouldn't like all this arguing :cry:
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I'd just like to say....
I have only commented once on this thread and it was to say pretty much what I am going to say now..
I have absolutley ZERO idea of what the hell is going on,as do probably 90% of the people on here,who the hell TS is and tbh I don't really care.
It has sounded -from the parts I have read over the past week or two like it is scripted..That is my opinion and I agree with Sarahli on her saying it and no,she is not the only one,a few people have said the same thing in private.
I will tell you what I know,100% fact,truth and that is,the only side I am on,is the side of Mr Michael Jackson.
I am working my butt off and I am on here supporting and believing for him and him alone.
Not for Elvis,Eliza,LMP,The Jacksons,TS,the illuminati,the NWO,Prince,Bob,Tim,Santa,the Easter bunny,Jack and Sally..or anyone else that gets mentioned on this website.
Just Michael.
He is all it should be about.Start to finish.
If there is truth,information and other things being witheld from people on here,which I do not doubt then it is time it ALL comes to light,whoever wants to spill it...go ahead and don't hold back.
As for this
"BlackJack"]Looks like my prayers were answered.... the game has now officially begun!! lol
LOL.Got your popcorn ready?Just got your email,will reply asap.
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But sometimes the truth has to be said.
And that could hurt.
So be it.
Chappie[/b]
Exactly
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I don't have an informer, I have researched everything in the posts and videos I have made by myself and the thing is there have been overlaps in information between my posts and Mo & Souza's blogs as well TS' posts before I was even aware the content of these writings.
For example, Mo & Souza wrote a blog about the 2005 court and the people involved, I never read that blog but I discovered a connection between the Jewish mafia and Michael. Some of the information in my post was the same and/or similar to the blog by Mo & Souza. So much so that Mo actually commented on how people should read their blogs or something like that. I researched that independent of any other forum members posts, so for myself, I know that there is truth in that information, so how can "Bob" and TS just be dismissed?
I really do wish that you all had been upfront about these informers though. I feel that this has been very unfair to the forum members and is somewhat deceitful even if your intentions were good. This situation is dividing us and trust really has been lost. Honesty, truth and trust are the most valuable commodities in this investigation. I really am disappointed in everyone that has come forward having known about this situation.
I suggest maybe you think about how we on the "outside" feel because I do feel manipulated by you all. As I said at the start though these informers did have accurate information. How they came by that could have been as easily as I did on some things, they could be MJ insiders or they could be the very people who were after Michael. I am seriously questioning if there is even a hoax now and I am in tears because if there isn't Michael is dead and we have been mind fucked for the last 18 months. Really how could you do this because omission is just as bad as lying. I am so confused...
Integrity is telling myself the Truth. And Honesty is telling the Truth to other people. ~ Spencer Johnso
A half Truth is a whole lie. ~ Yiddish Proverb
Those who think it is permissible to tell white lies soon grow color-blind. ~ Austin O’Mally
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i agree serenity, this is very upsetting...
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Nothing more to add.
Mo is telling the truth in her last post.
Why?
Because I know.
Mo you have my full support!
Chappie
So we just have to believe you?
Yes.
And I am not going to argue.
This is IT and let me tell you This is NO Shit!
I have that information from the beginning.
Chappie
What information exactly? I mean elaborate a little because here there's no proof only talk. I can also say that I know things about the hoax that no one knows. Do you believe me? No. I don't want to argue I just want to understand if there is something to understand of course. You guys say that you are for the truth etc., but you waited that long to say that. Why now? In what state of mind where you when "you knew" and you saw all of us little sheeps following the wrong path? This is not very credible you must admit (if it is true of course I still sense some scripted things here the timing is way too odd!!).
Ok
Is the fact that I have contact with Mo And Souza on a daily basis, skype or skype phone for months enough?
So I know what this is all about.
And I just keep to the information I heard and have seen.
Call me a Mo and Souza Insider.
And for Mo, she is just giving the facts based on research, nothing more...
Souza, stop what you are doing or I will react to some things you are writing in your post.
You know what I am talking about.
Keep private things in the closet and keep to the facts!
Or could I be banned for telling the truth?
;)
Chappie
No because Souza does not agree with what Mo said. So who should I believe? For the moment the only person who is credible is Souza, she is the only one who actually elaborates her answers with specific points and is asking you to answer but you don't. So if you are for the truth as you say it is time now to tell what you "know".
What you have said is not helping the truth, when we have something to hide in the closet it does not sound very good... at least you shouldn't have said it and really kept it secret. Here you're kinda trying to blackmail her imo.
With LOVE of course 8-)
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And what about Badkolo. I remember it being mentioned that he has a connection to The Huffington Post is this true? Because by coincidence, I have recently been researching that media source and there are some things that have me questioning everything. So what is really going on here?
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And what about Badkolo. I remember it being mentioned that he has a connection to The Huffington Post is this true? Because by coincidence, I have recently been researching that media source and there are some things that have me questioning everything. So what is really going on here?
was'nt that something to do with the name louis klarevas
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I also agree with Serenitys_Dream, and also not about being on the side of a person or another, what the fuck is going on?
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Here is the thing. If you were in contact with anyone, anywhere. It doesn't mean if it if hoax related or not. If you respect and appreciate that person and that person asks you to keep certain things private, would you go out and post whatever you discussed? I would never do that, because I hate it when people betray MY trust as well.
I do get what you mean about the fact that we should have told about 'Bob', but that would mean a few things if we did:
-betraying someone's trust
-people would have dismissed every blog without even reading it, while they are all well researched.
-making people think we only posted the blogs because someone told us, which is not true. Like I said, every blog is well investigated and verified with different sources. Someone only hinted like many people on the forum already did. Since we both were naive and thought the Illuminaty theory was BS, we ignored all those posts. This person was credible and proved to us he was connected to TMZ and he only told us to not just dismiss those theories without looking into it. After that every blog was researched. Never have we posted anything without backing it up and we never said it was truth, but we did provide every reader with well researched arguments and sources.
So these blogs are our theories, at least they still are mine. I have read up on all the subjects many times and I believe in these theories, not only because 'Bob' hinted to it, but because it makes sense. So there is no manipulation in the blog but just honest research. If a forum member would have posted something to make us rethink the Illuminati Theory, I don't think anyone would have bothered if we didn't tell you.
Michael Jackson is still alive and this is still a hoax. This mud-throwing doesn't change anything about that. The site is full of evidence for that, other than the stuff TS provided us, or our blogs. Our investigation is NOT the main reason people believe this is a hoax, it is even strongly opposed.
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if stuff can be disclosed now , how exactly did this person "proove" their connection to TMZ? I ask because you say the blogs were based on these person(s) ideas and them pushing you in those directions to blog about those kind of things whereas before you both admit to not going for the whole nwo illuminati mind control stuff. Can you atleast tell us what kind of proof we're talking about here. Thanks.
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I agree with some of the posts on here.
What I don't get is everything is coming out now after TS posted this recent post.
To me I don't know what to believe anymore, is MJ alive? I don't know.
I can only speak for myself but it seems some on this forum incluuding me feel like we have been manipulated and played (which I think is understandable), lets hope to get this (whatever is going on) straightened out.
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if stuff can be disclosed now , how exactly did this person "proove" their connection to TMZ? I ask because you say the blogs were based on these person(s) ideas and them pushing you in those directions to blog about those kind of things whereas before you both admit to not going for the whole nwo illuminati mind control stuff. Can you atleast tell us what kind of proof we're talking about here. Thanks.
Like I said, articles appeared on TMZ that had stuff in it that we discussed a day before, or just little jokes elsewhere on the TMZ website/in the galleries.
I am not ever going to post private discussions with anyone, so please don't expect me to do that. You can take my word for it or decide not to believe it.
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Who's Bob :? ?
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Who's Bob :? ?
Its just the name of an anonymous person
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Who's Bob :? ?
LMAO.
Exactly.
Read my previous post....he might as well be with the rest of the 'characters' I listed.
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Who's Bob :? ?
LMAO.
Exactly.
Read my previous post....he might as well be with the rest of the 'characters' I listed.
I missed reading this thread for 2 days and look what happens ...
Yes I saw your list :lol:
May I borrow your Verified BeLIEver signature ?
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:?
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I can not believe this is happening. I do not speak of the information, everyone should be able to decide whether what is published is true or false, or if TS is reliable or not, I can not understand is the public battle between administrators
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I can not believe this is happening. I do not speak of the information, everyone should be able to decide whether what is published is true or false, or if TS is reliable or not, I can not understand is the public battle between administrators
This is true but we should have all the information and know who and what the source is so we can make an informed decision on what we feel is true or not. As for the admins disagreeing... I say amen and the truth shall prevail!
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Who's Bob :? ?
LMAO.
Exactly.
Read my previous post....he might as well be with the rest of the 'characters' I listed.
I missed reading this thread for 2 days and look what happens ...
Yes I saw your list :lol:
May I borrow your Verified BeLIEver signature ?
True story,Jack and Sally are on here somewhere.....don't laugh
haha
Yes you may borrow my signature
and here is Bob...
[youtube:2mvpbnrh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B5pE1DEHyk[/youtube:2mvpbnrh]
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i'm extremely upset, i think we deserve to know whats going on
whats the whole mess with the thisisalmostit twitter? So far as i understand this twitter is made by mjhd? Was that the infighting a couple of weeks ago with keyboard wizz and souza all about?? Why does'nt everybody just come clean? To blog about mind control etc while pushing members here in a certain direction is not same thinhg? Will i now be told if i don't like it here go to other forum, too easy way out! Its not fair on all members here, you've (admins and mods) started something here and still in alot of your posts on this thread to eachother you don't say it like it is , members not allowed to know everything?
Then you should'nt have started attacking and accusing each other in public and left us in ignorance, but now you've started you should continue , let everything out and let us the members finally decide what we want to do after hearing ALL the FACTS and TRUTHS.
I'm sorry but i'm REALLY upset...This was just starting to feel like home...
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I find this all very interesting and I wish I knew exactly what was going on. I don't choose sides and have respect for the admins here even when they disagree. Running this site can NOT be easy.
Michael LOVES and LIVES for controversy, right? And just what is happening on this forum right now? ;)
Everyone should use their own common sense and not be discouraged. Michael is alive and to be honest I believe it even more now, if possible.
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:lol: ... yoou guys are funny.
You know in reality it does not surprise me that much, I kind of suspected that an informer would contact the admins so that they speak about certain things. It does not shake my faith not even a little bit. Seems like it is more about personal issues here more than anything else.
Will we recognize the truth now if it is told/presented to us? Not everything is a conspiracy (hope so :? :lol: ) I mean that there can be very rational answers to all that, but the fact that we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle makes us go paranoid and suspicious of everything. Even the truth can be dismissed at some point if we let fear and confusion take control over our common sense.
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Chill out everyone.. do what MJ would do. Get drunk with some midgets and have a little fun.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/mjhd/3.jpg)
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:lol: ... yoou guys are funny.
You know in reality it does not surprise me that much, I kind of suspected that an informer would contact the admins so that they speak about certain things. It does not shake my faith not even a little bit. Seems like it is more about personal issues here more than anything else.
Will we recognize the truth now if it is told/presented to us? Not everything is a conspiracy (hope so :? :lol: ) I mean that there can be very rational answers to all that, but the fact that we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle makes us go paranoid and suspicious of everything. Even the truth can be dismissed at some point if we let fear and confusion take control over our common sense.
I agree with all you said, but I would like to point out that I contacted this person, not the other way around and how I wish this were funny or scripted. Unfortunately it is not.
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Chill out everyone.. do what MJ would do. Get drunk with some midgets and have a little fun.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/mjhd/3.jpg)
That one looks like Michael but can NOT be him :lol:
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As Souza and Mo made this public discussion, I will say that I thought I had a cordial relationship between you, it is true that none of us here know but that's my perception, my attention the following;
Souza wrote: First of all let's make it clear that you chose to attack me on the forum for your own personal gain, because you have had a problem with me since day 1. Many times have you complained that I had more followers on Twitter, that people write Souza & Mo instead of Mo & Souza, you had a problem that TS didn't redirect to your posts enough, and every time he redirected to one of mine I felt uncomfortable because I knew you would have a problem with it again. All this time the problem was credits, credits for Mo, because if I posted something without putting your name underneath it, I had a problem and you would be cranky for days. Yet on the other hand many people also thanked you for certain things you never contributed to, and I never cared, because we were in this together. But after all the issues I told you we should split up and work alone, to avoid more issues.
All blog that's in this forum Souza and Mo clearly say, that is written by its authors not for the people of this forum.
Sorry for the question, but really no problem for the number of followers on twitter?, I think you are very smart people and I really can not believe you have a problem about this.
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and here is Bob...
[youtube:10dxm8im]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B5pE1DEHyk[/youtube:10dxm8im]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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*Warning: Sorry for the long post, but thanks to anyone who takes the time to read it*
Like many, I have absolutely NO clue as to what is going on lately on this forum. I do find it very interesting, though, as to the timing of all this 'controversy'. We have TS' latest post ending with "until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!"....then we have Ted Riley laughingly telling us that MJ LOVES controversy....then we have all of this 'stuff' happening on the board...hmmm. Yes, the timing does seem fitting and someone is definitely having some 'fun' with all of this but it seems that the majority are not.
We now have 'new' information from Mo and Souza that was intentionally withheld from the board members. They could have simply included a sentence in their blogs stating that their motivation for investigating a certain topic came from a private conversation with someone whom they are choosing to keep annonymous. This could then have been followed with another statement letting readers know that whatever info is in the blogs has come from their own research and findings. My question, though, is would that 'disclaimer' have changed the credibility of the information? Every single one of us is here because of something we were told, something we heard or read, or something that caused us to know that something just wasn't 'right' about MJ's 'death'. Does that mean that everything we have investigated means nothing because the motivation that led us down certain paths was external to ourselves? If that is the case, then we might as well abolish the entire school system because education is based on ideas, theories, facts, and assumptions that originate from another source and are THEN investigated and accepted or discarded based on someone's research and findings.
Although some members might feel 'manipulated' by these recent events, we should not discard the information that we, ourselves, have found to be logical or illogical surrounding the hoax. It seems like everytime there is a 'new' discovery, or interview, or article in opposition to what we believe, the doubts rush in. This is only natural because until something is proven to be 'fact', we can't know for certain if what we believe is the truth. In regards to the hoax, all we do really have is theories and anything that shakes the theories we believe in, sends us into a state of confusion...again, normal. But this is a knee-jerk reaction and once it passes, what is important IMO is to think back to everything that got you to believe in the theories in the first place and all the findings that supported that theory that unfolded afterwards. As Souza stated, even if we remove TS and 'Bob' from the equation, there is a mountain of findings on this board alone that sheds a huge light on the fact that there's a lot more to MJ's 'death' than we are being told, and whatever we are being told (by media, family, etc) is not accurate.
If the doubts are still there once you do that, then ask yourself what TS' or 'Bob's' (or Tim Simkin for that matter)....what would be their motivation in 'fooling' us or as TS called it...'scamming' us? If MJ really is dead, then we have these 'informers' who, for over a year now, have been manipulating us into believing MJ is really alive. We all know that money in today's society and culture is THE prime motivator for many people...have either of these 'informers' or Tim Simkin made any money based on their role(s) in the hoax? (If anything, TS stood to lose money if anyone would have been able to debunk the numerology, which is yet to be done). The site, itself, has no ads or money generating merchandise...so money can't be the motivation behind it either. Another motivation could be fame...but as of yet, these 'informers' have remained annonymous, so if that is their motivation then I would think they would have already exposed who they really are. Sure, these motivations (money and fame) could be a future prospect, in the sense that if we are being fooled, they could someday write a book about how they fooled us and sell it. Would you buy it? Would your family members buy it? Do you know of anyone that would buy it? Why would they when they can sign up to this site for free and read all about it?
The only other motivation I can think of would be to fulfill their own agenda while using our love and dedication to MJ against us in the process. But we aren't dealing with 'cult' leader-type personalities here, are we? TS, for example, has never asked us to do anything illegal or harmful to anyone, let alone ask us to believe in anything he said. Apart from all the information directly linked to MJ that TS provided us with, he also pointed us towards educating ourselves on the NWO, the Illuminati, on spreading love, and on being aware and awake by thinking for ourselves. Would someone who was trying to manipulate us, for their own agenda, lead us down these paths? If so, then what's their agenda? Spreading love? Educating people? Awakening people's minds to TPTB's agendas? Could be, I guess, but my experience tells me that manipulation usually has sinister undertones to it, far from spreading positive messages about changing the world for the better.
I guess this all comes back, once again, to TS' question "Do you think for yourself?". Do you believe what you believe because of something Mo and Souza wrote or failed to mention...or do you believe/not believe because you've investigated on your own and came to your own conclusions? Do you take everything TS says as 'truth' or do you use his posts as a springboard to educate yourself further? Any 'new' information, whether it be something that supports what you believe or opposes it, should NOT be removed from the big picture but rather be incorporated as a 'dot' into your own investigation. The toughest part in all of this is that most of us are 'emotionally' invested in this hoax because of our love for Michael and also because we are all human...so even when someone opposes us (even if it's not MJ related), we respond in an emotional manner. This reminds me of one of TS' posts where he said that good investigators aren't swayed by their emotional ties to the subject/object of their investigation. Again, it's only natural that we are but that IMO is all the more reason to take a few deep breaths or go for a walk before saying or doing something that you'll only regret later. This is true about the board and life itself.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I find this all very interesting and I wish I knew exactly what was going on. I don't choose sides and have respect for the admins here even when they disagree. Running this site can NOT be easy.
Michael LOVES and LIVES for controversy, right? And just what is happening on this forum right now? ;)
Everyone should use their own common sense and not be discouraged. Michael is alive and to be honest I believe it even more now, if possible.
yep yep.
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You wanna say Michael Joker Jackson is sitting behind a screen and having fun watching Souza and Mo playing at fighting ?
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Chill out everyone.. do what MJ would do. Get drunk with some midgets and have a little fun.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/mjhd/3.jpg)
hahahahhaa! thanks, needed that!
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*Warning: Sorry for the long post, but thanks to anyone who takes the time to read it*
Like many, I have absolutely NO clue as to what is going on lately on this forum. I do find it very interesting, though, as to the timing of all this 'controversy'. We have TS' latest post ending with "until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!"....then we have Ted Riley laughingly telling us that MJ LOVES controversy....then we have all of this 'stuff' happening on the board...hmmm. Yes, the timing does seem fitting and someone is definitely having some 'fun' with all of this but it seems that the majority are not.
We now have 'new' information from Mo and Souza that was intentionally withheld from the board members. They could have simply included a sentence in their blogs stating that their motivation for investigating a certain topic came from a private conversation with someone whom they are choosing to keep annonymous. This could then have been followed with another statement letting readers know that whatever info is in the blogs has come from their own research and findings. My question, though, is would that 'disclaimer' have changed the credibility of the information? Every single one of us is here because of something we were told, something we heard or read, or something that caused us to know that something just wasn't 'right' about MJ's 'death'. Does that mean that everything we have investigated means nothing because the motivation that led us down certain paths was external to ourselves? If that is the case, then we might as well abolish the entire school system because education is based on ideas, theories, facts, and assumptions that originate from another source and are THEN investigated and accepted or discarded based on someone's research and findings.
Although some members might feel 'manipulated' by these recent events, we should not discard the information that we, ourselves, have found to be logical or illogical surrounding the hoax. It seems like everytime there is a 'new' discovery, or interview, or article in opposition to what we believe, the doubts rush in. This is only natural because until something is proven to be 'fact', we can't know for certain if what we believe is the truth. In regards to the hoax, all we do really have is theories and anything that shakes the theories we believe in, sends us into a state of confusion...again, normal. But this is a knee-jerk reaction and once it passes, what is important IMO is to think back to everything that got you to believe in the theories in the first place and all the findings that supported that theory that unfolded afterwards. As Souza stated, even if we remove TS and 'Bob' from the equation, there is a mountain of findings on this board alone that sheds a huge light on the fact that there's a lot more to MJ's 'death' than we are being told, and whatever we are being told (by media, family, etc) is not accurate.
If the doubts are still there once you do that, then ask yourself what TS' or 'Bob's' (or Tim Simkin for that matter)....what would be their motivation in 'fooling' us or as TS called it...'scamming' us? If MJ really is dead, then we have these 'informers' who, for over a year now, have been manipulating us into believing MJ is really alive. We all know that money in today's society and culture is THE prime motivator for many people...have either of these 'informers' or Tim Simkin made any money based on their role(s) in the hoax? (If anything, TS stood to lose money if anyone would have been able to debunk the numerology, which is yet to be done). The site, itself, has no ads or money generating merchandise...so money can't be the motivation behind it either. Another motivation could be fame...but as of yet, these 'informers' have remained annonymous, so if that is their motivation then I would think they would have already exposed who they really are. Sure, these motivations (money and fame) could be a future prospect, in the sense that if we are being fooled, they could someday write a book about how they fooled us and sell it. Would you buy it? Would your family members buy it? Do you know of anyone that would buy it? Why would they when they can sign up to this site for free and read all about it?
The only other motivation I can think of would be to fulfill their own agenda while using our love and dedication to MJ against us in the process. But we aren't dealing with 'cult' leader-type personalities here, are we? TS, for example, has never asked us to do anything illegal or harmful to anyone, let alone ask us to believe in anything he said. Apart from all the information directly linked to MJ that TS provided us with, he also pointed us towards educating ourselves on the NWO, the Illuminati, on spreading love, and on being aware and awake by thinking for ourselves. Would someone who was trying to manipulate us, for their own agenda, lead us down these paths? If so, then what's their agenda? Spreading love? Educating people? Awakening people's minds to TPTB's agendas? Could be, I guess, but my experience tells me that manipulation usually has sinister undertones to it, far from spreading positive messages about changing the world for the better.
I guess this all comes back, once again, to TS' question "Do you think for yourself?". Do you believe what you believe because of something Mo and Souza wrote or failed to mention...or do you believe/not believe because you've investigated on your own and came to your own conclusions? Do you take everything TS says as 'truth' or do you use his posts as a springboard to educate yourself further? Any 'new' information, whether it be something that supports what you believe or opposes it, should NOT be removed from the big picture but rather be incorporated as a 'dot' into your own investigation. The toughest part in all of this is that most of us are 'emotionally' invested in this hoax because of our love for Michael and also because we are all human...so even when someone opposes us (even if it's not MJ related), we respond in an emotional manner. This reminds me of one of TS' posts where he said that good investigators aren't swayed by their emotional ties to the subject/object of their investigation. Again, it's only natural that we are but that IMO is all the more reason to take a few deep breaths or go for a walk before saying or doing something that you'll only regret later. This is true about the board and life itself.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Excellent post!! :D
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BeTheChange, thank you for your voice of reason, great post.
I am going to take a break from this thread because I am too pissed off to comment anyway. Not because TS is being attacked, since I think he has balls enough to defend himself, but because this board is turning into a site that attacks people, whoever they may be, based on assumptions and speculations and even worse: the behaviour is being approved by admins and mods. I am guilty for getting personal in this thread and I shouldn't have done that, but I wanted to point out that there is always more to a story then meets the eye and I don't like to be called manipulative by anyone. I apologise to the members for doing that.
I remember MJKIT, where people still respected each other, and theories were posted as theories with respect to anyone who was questioned. I hope that atmosphere will return to this board and that people will not start doubting and being confused about anything anyone says, wheter it is TS, 'Bob', Mo, Souza or whoever and keep thinking for themselves. We came here because the story of MJ's 'death' is inaccurate and none of us came here because TS posted, he only guided us.
And I would like to see someone answering BeTheChange's questions. Mine are still unanswered, maybe someone can answer these, which are quite the same but better phrased.
Lastly, as for the truth and some people keeping things behind including TS, the family and us, I will quote 'Bob':
"Sometimes the truth needs to take a back seat for the safety of an individual."
If everything had to be revealed yet, we would have known it all but we don't. Everyone is still keeping their mouths closed. Apparently there is a good reason for that.
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I think that even if the administrators had not shared part of their information with most of the members of this forum, it was quite clear that they had some contacts or sources different to those that most people had. This has been a bit obvious by the fact that they used to make research on specific issues and then they used to find connections(true or false, no matter what) to MJ. The clue about the source was the choice of the subject to connect to MJ. The answer to the question "why this subject(MK Ultra for example)?" was "Because something indicated a connection between this subject and the admins". This something could be their personal knowledge and thinking or some kind of source or both. Now, we know the case or actually it seems that we know.
I will stand strong for my personal view, that whether you judge or not the clues given to you, a certain source gives certain clues and as a result a certain direction to your research. That alone cannot stand for being manipulation when other patterns of thought are respected, but it is manipulation when they are not. For example, when I posted about the propablity of TS's connection to Sony, most of the people started saying that I called others being sheep, that I made a different username to cause confusion and that I made a personal attack to TS, without actually even those things had been implied by me and it was crystal clear on my posts. To be honest those who accused me of doing personal attacks falsely, were attacking me personally having as a result the conversation to have as a subject me instead of TS's identity! Many members were treated similar to me as well. So, *Mo*'s claim that other theories, which suggested a different pattern, tended to be discarded is true for me and hides the danger of manipulation.
As far as the admistrators' personal affairs are concerned I have no knowledge and I do not care to obtain some. Finally, I think they should keep them for themselves except for the case there is something interesting about the investigation.
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I actually don't blame Mo and Souza for "holding out on us" or whatever you want to call it. As admins, they are in trustworthy positions so if someone gives them information and wants to remain annonymous, then that's how it should be - whether this person contacts them or the admins initiated contact. If someone here PM's someone else and doesn't want it posted for all to read, wouldn't we all respect that? And isn't that why we have PM?
The very nature of this forum is controversial - how could it not be? We are investigating a hoax that no one else thinks happened. There are many different points of view on here which I love because sometimes somebody will say something that I'd been thinking but couldn't put into words or someone says something I'd never considered before. Like I said before, I have the utmost respect for the admins, as well as all the members of the forum. I've noticed emotions can run high, which is natural - we're all human - but like many have said before, we're in this together. Debates and conversations are good, arguments and ridiculing need to be avoided so we can find our balance and stay focused on why we're here.
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Holy hell.
So much can happen here in just a day or two.
Ok, I have to say that I'm a bit upset too. I'm not grinding my teeth and clenching my fists or anything, but I do feel a bit slighted. As a mod, it would be nice to know "the whole story" so that I am able to make better judgement calls. Granted, I haven't been a mod since the beginning, so I can't really blame anyone for not calling me up to tell me every detail. I could understand keeping it private between the admins, but I see that some other mods seem to be in the loop...so I would expect all members to be as well.
Probably a good thing that nobody told me any of this, because I WOULD NOT have withheld the information from the members. Not because I cannot be trusted to keep a secret, but because I CAN be trusted to tell the truth. And telling the truth wouldn't necessarily mean revealing this person's identity..
I guess that's what I don't understand. I can understand not wanting to betray the trust of this annonymous person. However, if they are annonymous and remain that way, then I can't really understand the problem of disclosing that information as long as their identity isn't exposed? Maybe someone can help me understand that better? To me, that really does sound more like manipulation than anything on the part of this "insider", but again - I do not know what exactly went on in those private conversations, so I cannot make that call.
I do feel like something strange is going on here. I think the fact that so many members are sensing that says a lot...
I also see that most the mods have taken sides. I don't feel like I have enough information to choose a side, nor do I feel like that would be an efficient use of time or energy. I do tend to relate more to Souza's posts, as they just make more sense to me. When I read Mo's posts, as well as those in agreement with her, I can't get past the feeling that something is still being hidden. It seems like questions are never answered directly and information is only disclosed half-way. But maybe that's just me being paranoid. I'd say we all have good reason to feel paranoid at this point.
If I wasn't still convinced that MJ is alive, despite theses revelations, I would probably be leaving the forum because this is all very VERY senseless and immature in my humble opinion. But I do still think that Michael faked his death, and we have accumulated too much valuable information here for me to leave. But, this forum could easily come to an end and I would still be convinced of the hoax based on all the other evidence. TIAI is NOT where the hoax began, so it shouldn't even have the power to initiate an "end". In fact, for a moment, let's imagine the internet didn't exist and we only had television. Would it still be clear that this is a hoax? The answer is yes.
Like Andrea said, I do think the controversy is a good thing - as long as we are all able to handle it with respect for each other. It gets us talking and thinking in ways we might not otherwise.
But...it still makes me say "holy hell!" :lol:
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Not by me Sarahli. Look at how keyboardwizz is supporting, who has operated the thisisalmostit twitter account with Mo's approval all this time. Talking about manipulation.
You "forgot" to mention, that it was you in the first place who got the idea of starting a twitter account to deceive the fans, we actualy talked you out of it (since it shouldn't be connected to mjdhi, so you both aproved the account for a long time. I started the account for sharing things I found interesting regarding the hoax, and actualy got a lot of interesting thrown back at me and it gave me a great insight in the way little fun facts are being interpreted......
The only thing I did on thisisalmostit was redericting to information that was allready available on the internet , (just like T.S. did) , so if I'm manupilating, what would you call what T.S. is doing ?
First of all let's make it clear that you chose to attack me on the forum for your own personal gain, because you have had a problem with me since day 1. Many times have you complained that I had more followers on Twitter, that people write Souza & Mo instead of Mo & Souza, you had a problem that TS didn't redirect to your posts enough, and every time he redirected to one of mine I felt uncomfortable because I knew you would have a problem with it again. All this time the problem was credits, credits for Mo, because if I posted something without putting your name underneath it, I had a problem and you would be cranky for days. Yet on the other hand many people also thanked you for certain things you never contributed to, and I never cared, because we were in this together. But after all the issues I told you we should split up and work alone, to avoid more issues. So that is what we did and you accused me after that for being on a solo-tour. Apparently you don't need me because you can think so well for yourself, so what do you need me for? I told you many times that this is not a game for me, and that it isn't about credits. It's not a rat race and there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
As for the person who helped us out, you are pissed because he hasn't been in contact since March, and that is the sole reason you are now attacking him and questioning his intentions.
Distance yourself from the theories Mo, I don't care, but to the members I would like to say the following about this person:
This person is someone I got in contact with in September 2009. This person mentioned very interested things and that is why I decided to contact HIM, not the other way around. This person never shoved anything up our throats. At first, before Mo joined the conversations, we just had nice talks, about things unrelated to the hoax. I started to ask questions about things and later on Mo joined and did the same. All he did was answer our questions and he never said we had to post certain things. He said many times "I don't tell you what to do, I only answer your questions". With every blog we wrote we verified things on the internet, with sources outside of TS/TIAI. All our blogs are sourced and never have we claimed that we had an informer, since everything we posted was from other sources, and not just merely a Q&A from an informer like we had with BoW. We always said they were theories, we never claimed it to be truth, and people have always been able to believe it or not. As for the V for Vendetta blog, that is not a theory at all, those are facts. This makes the blogs OUR theories and no one else's.
This person has always been very respectful about Mike and his family and gave us valuable information that helped us write our blogs. But never did he shove something down our throats. Every blog written is very well investigated and verified with sources on the internet. This person has always been nice to us and gave us advise how to protect our personal info and he always let us think for ourselves. The fact that you now reject the blogs is probably because I wrote most of it and read more about the issues discussed. Therefore I can still stand right behind the theories. You can distance yourself from them, but you can't debunk them either, same as you can't debunk TS and that is why you are desperately trying to manipulate the members now with your attacks towards TS and this person, let's call him 'Bob'. The fact that you can't wrap your mind around TS' post, the fact that you can't understand the math, doesn't mean the posts are BS. I am still waiting for answers to many of my questions in previous posts, but you can't seem to answer them.
'Bob', like TS, has ties with TMZ. Many times he has proven that to us with articles on TMZ that had things discussed between us in it, or even literal wording. 'Bob' hasn't contacted us since March because of a misunderstanding between him and myself, Mo wasn't even there and first attacked me for fucking it up. I had to let her read the discussion 10 times before she saw the misunderstanding. As lovely as 'Bob' often was, he could piss me off sometimes when he had a bad day. For months and months 'Bob' talked to us, answered questions and just entertained us with his extremely good sense of humor. Mo has been pissed from that moment on that he didn't talk to her either anymore after the fall/out he had with me and that kept an issue. As pissed as I was in the beginning about this misunderstanding and his assumption that was not true, I left it behind me. For months he had helped us out and I appreciated that, but I don´t need him to function.
If 'Bob' and TS are fooling people, TMZ and the family are doing the same. But in that case I think it should be very easy to debunk TS but until now, no one even came close. It´s easy to say `TS is fooling people but I can´t tell you why because I suck at math`. Ask someone else if you suck at math yourself. Same with the Elvis connection. I would like to see someone debunk that fact.
It is also not true that TS took over when 'Bob' left, TS was redirecting for months already and had posted up until update 3 already, so that is again manipulation of the facts. As for the bamsday we had in mind, that was just one sentence on the bottom in a 2-page theory we had back then about a connection with a picture from TII and a city in the US. Big chance he meant ´that´s it´ about the theory, since he told me before that alleged bamsday that that was not the date. That´s how facts can be twisted and things written on a screen misunderstood, just like the issue I had with ´Bob´ in March. The danger of the internet.
A clear example of twisting words (or misinterpretation), Mo isn't distancing herself from the theories , she is doubting the source and the way the info was brought to you both. "Bob" was giving hints and directions for your blogs, what resulted in some excelent blogs and became a valueable source of information, with some excellent investigation from you both.
Second: Mo never stated she rejected the blogs, another thing you made up......
Even "Bob" gave you some inside information, what turned out to be information that was already available, so it isn't strange Mo is questioning "The Source"......
Here are a few questions again to you Mo, please answer them:
-If TS is a fraud, then Bob is as well, but also the family and TMZ. Please tell me why the family would support a post from TS by getting the Army of LOVE tweet on the bottom of the page again.
-Why would TMZ support TS and 'Bob'? TMZ is getting 2,466,367 pageviews a day, I bet thay can miss the annoying hoaxers with their annoying questions they are not allowed to answer anyway.
-What is suddenly not plausible about the theories on the blog? What made you change your mind? Who is telling you what? Or do you just want the forum members to support you so you can get rid of me? That way you will get all the credits huh? But I am not going to let that happen.
These are some valid questions (and not for Mo only), and of course are things that need investigation, and no it isn't about credits or followers , truth and credibility are more important imho.
And no, it isn't about the plausibility of the theory, only the way the information was directed and not "shuved through our throats"(your twisted words again)
Again you are attacking people, including me, based on a new theory and assumptions. Never have I seen TS or 'Bob', do the same. You lack common sense again. Still waiting for your coherent theory that shows .
There is no new theory, only new information, what clearly sets the hoax in a different view, and no, those are no assumptions but based on facts. The fact that you are trying to hold back certain information and twist words is highly questionable and the last few weeks it seems as you are the one that's afraid of losing followers and credits. Attackin and feeling attacked are two totally different things ........
As for banning members, I think I remember where you banned Gema once, without reason and I got the shit while I didn't even agree with it and unbanned her. Every single member I banned was a member that couldn't behave. I have disagreements with many people here on the board, yet they are still here, so don't accuse me of silencing people. Take a long look in the mirror Mo.
Glad you brougt up the mirror, in most of your answers on this thread you are simply mirroring the attacks, a real easy way to distract from the truth.....
You keep attacking ME for manipulation here on the board, yet all you are doing is manipulating people yourself with your "OMG I'm so honest" posts. You have no answers to any of my questions and you haven't debunked a thing. You are showing your true colors Mo. You lack patience, trust and you are too obsessed with this, that is why you are pissed at everyone. 'Bob' couldn't answer everything, just like the family can't say it all yet, like TMZ still can't report it and TS can't reveal it all yet. Although the goal is big, he added some entertainment too and we have to accept that we can't know it all (yet). Next time when you attack people, including me, post your theory with it that proves your claims. As long as it is just another theory, refrain from your vicious attacks and manipulation towards other people. And stop complaining about me and twisting the facts towards the mods. This is all to get me off the board and it's not going to work. Who is silencing who here?
Nobody is wanting you off the board , you obviously feel attacked, because some forum "ïnsiders" know what is going on behind the curtain of this site, and those people (including me) want the whole truth out there and want to end the misinformation that is happening lately on this site.
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Probably I quoted the wrong PureLove's reply, but if you go through her replies, posted on the other threads as well, you understand what I was talking about.
So, I apologize for that, but the meaning of my statement doesn't change.
:roll: :roll: :roll: I don't even feel the need of making an explanation to you. Everything is so obvious and everyone can see who is attacking who.
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*Warning: Sorry for the long post, but thanks to anyone who takes the time to read it*
Like many, I have absolutely NO clue as to what is going on lately on this forum. I do find it very interesting, though, as to the timing of all this 'controversy'. We have TS' latest post ending with "until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!"....then we have Ted Riley laughingly telling us that MJ LOVES controversy....then we have all of this 'stuff' happening on the board...hmmm. Yes, the timing does seem fitting and someone is definitely having some 'fun' with all of this but it seems that the majority are not.
We now have 'new' information from Mo and Souza that was intentionally withheld from the board members. They could have simply included a sentence in their blogs stating that their motivation for investigating a certain topic came from a private conversation with someone whom they are choosing to keep annonymous. This could then have been followed with another statement letting readers know that whatever info is in the blogs has come from their own research and findings. My question, though, is would that 'disclaimer' have changed the credibility of the information? Every single one of us is here because of something we were told, something we heard or read, or something that caused us to know that something just wasn't 'right' about MJ's 'death'. Does that mean that everything we have investigated means nothing because the motivation that led us down certain paths was external to ourselves? If that is the case, then we might as well abolish the entire school system because education is based on ideas, theories, facts, and assumptions that originate from another source and are THEN investigated and accepted or discarded based on someone's research and findings.
Although some members might feel 'manipulated' by these recent events, we should not discard the information that we, ourselves, have found to be logical or illogical surrounding the hoax. It seems like everytime there is a 'new' discovery, or interview, or article in opposition to what we believe, the doubts rush in. This is only natural because until something is proven to be 'fact', we can't know for certain if what we believe is the truth. In regards to the hoax, all we do really have is theories and anything that shakes the theories we believe in, sends us into a state of confusion...again, normal. But this is a knee-jerk reaction and once it passes, what is important IMO is to think back to everything that got you to believe in the theories in the first place and all the findings that supported that theory that unfolded afterwards. As Souza stated, even if we remove TS and 'Bob' from the equation, there is a mountain of findings on this board alone that sheds a huge light on the fact that there's a lot more to MJ's 'death' than we are being told, and whatever we are being told (by media, family, etc) is not accurate.
If the doubts are still there once you do that, then ask yourself what TS' or 'Bob's' (or Tim Simkin for that matter)....what would be their motivation in 'fooling' us or as TS called it...'scamming' us? If MJ really is dead, then we have these 'informers' who, for over a year now, have been manipulating us into believing MJ is really alive. We all know that money in today's society and culture is THE prime motivator for many people...have either of these 'informers' or Tim Simkin made any money based on their role(s) in the hoax? (If anything, TS stood to lose money if anyone would have been able to debunk the numerology, which is yet to be done). The site, itself, has no ads or money generating merchandise...so money can't be the motivation behind it either. Another motivation could be fame...but as of yet, these 'informers' have remained annonymous, so if that is their motivation then I would think they would have already exposed who they really are. Sure, these motivations (money and fame) could be a future prospect, in the sense that if we are being fooled, they could someday write a book about how they fooled us and sell it. Would you buy it? Would your family members buy it? Do you know of anyone that would buy it? Why would they when they can sign up to this site for free and read all about it?
The only other motivation I can think of would be to fulfill their own agenda while using our love and dedication to MJ against us in the process. But we aren't dealing with 'cult' leader-type personalities here, are we? TS, for example, has never asked us to do anything illegal or harmful to anyone, let alone ask us to believe in anything he said. Apart from all the information directly linked to MJ that TS provided us with, he also pointed us towards educating ourselves on the NWO, the Illuminati, on spreading love, and on being aware and awake by thinking for ourselves. Would someone who was trying to manipulate us, for their own agenda, lead us down these paths? If so, then what's their agenda? Spreading love? Educating people? Awakening people's minds to TPTB's agendas? Could be, I guess, but my experience tells me that manipulation usually has sinister undertones to it, far from spreading positive messages about changing the world for the better.
I guess this all comes back, once again, to TS' question "Do you think for yourself?". Do you believe what you believe because of something Mo and Souza wrote or failed to mention...or do you believe/not believe because you've investigated on your own and came to your own conclusions? Do you take everything TS says as 'truth' or do you use his posts as a springboard to educate yourself further? Any 'new' information, whether it be something that supports what you believe or opposes it, should NOT be removed from the big picture but rather be incorporated as a 'dot' into your own investigation. The toughest part in all of this is that most of us are 'emotionally' invested in this hoax because of our love for Michael and also because we are all human...so even when someone opposes us (even if it's not MJ related), we respond in an emotional manner. This reminds me of one of TS' posts where he said that good investigators aren't swayed by their emotional ties to the subject/object of their investigation. Again, it's only natural that we are but that IMO is all the more reason to take a few deep breaths or go for a walk before saying or doing something that you'll only regret later. This is true about the board and life itself.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Thank you for making sense. That is all. :)
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Chill out everyone.. do what MJ would do. Get drunk with some midgets and have a little fun.
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/mjhd/3.jpg)
hahahahhaa! thanks, needed that!
And that is awesome. Every time I see that photo, I am going to comment because...well look at it! It's great! :lol: And I agree with SEHF. Everyone should just relax, take a breather, walk it out because in the grand scheme of things, it's not that serious.
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Although I said I would not post anymore in this thread, I will comment to keyboardwizz's post, because this is again a manipulation of the members. First of all, you are a long-time personal friend of Mo, and are therefore never objective enough to judge the situation, so I will only comment on your thisisalmostit twitter account.
Here is the complete honest truth for those who are having a 'huh?' moment again:
I was at Mo's house and keyboardwizz was there as well. We were discussing the fake MJ's and how quick people believed any person on the net claiming to be MJ. I said that I would make a twitter account, pretend to be MJ for a few days and then reveal myself to point out that you shouldn't believe just anyone on twitter, youtube or whatever. Mo went on a rant and said she wouldn't allow it because I was affiliated with her and the website. No way that was going to happen. I did something similar on MJHD in the chat. Just for a few hours and some people seriously thought I was MJ. I logged back in and revealed it was me, and people laughed and saw my point. That was exactly my intention and I had no bad intentions whatsoever.
At start when Mo told me thisisalmostit was keyboardwizz, I was fine with it, because I had the same idea. But time went on and many people believed he was an insider and he took advantage of it by supporting our theories and thoughts, or stuff he and Mo discussed. I told Mo I wasn't comfortable with it and that I wanted him to reveal himself to explain what his point was, but it never happened. I told Mo many times I didn't agree with it because it was deceiving members for making believe that our and their theories were the truth. Although I know many people here take most stuff with a pinch of salt, many also are gullible and therefore people should not keep up appearances. At one time I had made him stop tweeting, but after the problems between Mo and I went on and got worse, he started again.
Should I have told the truth back then? Maybe, but that would have made things worse and I would have started a fight on the board that had no goal whatsoever.
That is the honest truth about that twitter account. As for the rest wizz, I am not going into this discussion again, I want this war to end and I want some peace and respect back to this board, because it IS possible to question things respectfully.
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I just saw my name popping up :D
All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
And it is also true that I targeted all my frustration on to Souza, something I still regret doing, out of my confusion of who was who plus a computer virus just happening at the same second I received the [ironic mode on]super friendly an in no way bully PM from Badkolo[ironic mode off]following my banning.
I don´t remember if I apologized to Souza via twitter but I take the time to do it again here for what happened and how I handled the situation.
@keyboardwizz, imo after reading your latest thisisalmostit updates, you used that account as a moral weapon towards Souza, and this I find ironic.
And now, all together!! :D
Cumbayáaaa my friend cumbayáaaaaaa
(http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/Smileys/alive/grouphug.gif)
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Cumbayáaaa my friend cumbayáaaaaaa
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I just saw my name popping up :D
All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
And it is also true that I targeted all my frustration on to Souza, something I still regret doing, out of my confusion of who was who plus a computer virus just happening at the same second I received the [ironic mode on]super friendly an in no way bully PM from Badkolo[ironic mode off]following my banning.
I don´t remember if I apologized to Souza via twitter but I take the time to do it again here for what happened and how I handled the situation.
@keyboardwizz, imo after reading your latest thisisalmostit updates, you used that account as a moral weapon towards Souza, and this I find ironic.
And now, all together!! :D
Cumbayáaaa my friend cumbayáaaaaaa
(http://www.yoyonation.com/talk/Smileys/alive/grouphug.gif)
Hahahahha! Gema you crack me up! Thanks for always keeping things light, it is very much needed and appreciated!
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Ma pleasure 8-)
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That is the honest truth about that twitter account. As for the rest wizz, I am not going into this discussion again, I want this war to end and I want some peace and respect back to this board, because it IS possible to question things respectfully.
That's what I want too. John Lennon said: "Piss for peace, smile for peace, go to school for peace, don't go to school for peace - whatever you do, do it for peace."
We're the Army of Love! When Michael returns, thousands and thousands (if not more) will flock to this site to play catch up. So let's practice what we preach because who would want to join an Army of Love that can't keep the peace within it's own ranks?
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That is the honest truth about that twitter account. As for the rest wizz, I am not going into this discussion again, I want this war to end and I want some peace and respect back to this board, because it IS possible to question things respectfully.
That's what I want too. John Lennon said: "Piss for peace, smile for peace, go to school for peace, don't go to school for peace - whatever you do, do it for peace."
We're the Army of Love! When Michael returns, thousands and thousands (if not more) will flock to this site to play catch up. So let's practice what we preach because who would want to join an Army of Love that can't keep the peace within it's own ranks?
I'm with you guys. Great quote from Lennon by the way, love that!
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but after all, thank you Souza and Mo for everything..I hope everything will return the way it was. But I have to say, After the things I am reading in this thread, that Souza makes sense to me...
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Perhaps someone can help me out since this has all become so gray and bleak.
So, if there are insiders involved who are they? Is TS a known insider? If so, why can one not reveal his identity?
Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
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Ok after all the madness going on here, I want to say a couple of things. Firstly it makes me sad to see us like this. We're splitting into two groups and keep on attacking each other. This is defnitely not Michael would love to see and this is not his message.
Second of all, TS is NOT someone we know, so we have no reason to protect him for no reason. I see that people write that all of the things TS wrote could ONLY be his theory. I agree with that, yes all of them can be TS' theory. Probably he's not an insider but aren't we forgetting something here? The dates of the funeral and memorial are FACTS and TS could NOT decide for those dates, right? So how come these dates makes a perfect 7 7 7 and how could TS was THE ONLY ONE who found and told this to us? Tell me if anyone else found this before TS? NO, NOBODY DID! If the numerology was only TS' theory, how come the dates perfectly fit like the way TS explained? So the family is in the murder plan too as they decided for the dates? But they decided to make it fit with 9 9 9 date perfectly, I wonder why they did that?
Like Souza wrote, that Army of Love tweet came from the Jacksons and there's MORE!!! After TS started to write about the Elvis connection, didn't you guys realize the Jacksons started to talk more about Elvis??? Did you forget Jermaine's tweets and his words about LMP at the Larry King interview? Finally Jermaine wrote that the album's name was going to be "The King" but they changed it because of Elvis. He wrote "No disrespect to Elvis, Michael is the King" kind of tweet. You can find it on his twitter. Oprah had an interview with LMP. I mean can't you see how suddenly Elvis issue came prominent in the hoax?
You guys say that Michael only used 7 7 7 and you ignore the FACT that he used 2040 spaceship in his history tour which fits perfectly with his "death" date!
So all I'm trying to say is, even if TS is not an insider (I do believe that he is), he gave us so much information that NOBODY could find. If you say that it's just his theories and numerology can be created, show me how you can create such a perfect numerology! And if you say that you didn't learn anything new from TS, sorry but you are arrogant and despising TS.
When I and Jaci wrote to Mo that she doesn't sound like herself, Chappie got this as an attack to Mo. It wasn't. We made that comment about Mo BECAUSE Mo was someone who USED to see ALL of the slip-ups, not focus only one of the slip-ups that was made by Jermaine and she wasn't someone who could make a poor statement about that slip-up like Jermaine could have thought about an airport and mistakenly said that word. Mo was used to be someone who would think about all other slip-ups we heard from several people. I'm trying to explain it with an example why we think that Mo didn't sound like herself. Because when I look at you guys who changed their ideas about TS, I see that you narrowed your point of views. And the example I gave is showing so perfectly what I'm trying to say.
I'm an open minded person and I'm so aware of anything can happen in this hoax. I'm not blindly believing in anyone. But when we give you the reasons why we think that TS is legit and ask you to give your reasons and answer to our questions why TS can not be legit, we can get NO answers from you. If you could answer our questions and give us specific reasons that shows us TS is a fake, why wouldn't we believe you? But with the things the family has been doing, it seems like they're supporting what TS told us and that makes TS' authenticity more real.
I didn't make this post to attack anyone. I tried to explain why I think this way. I'm still open to any ideas but as long as this sounds logical to me, I'll stick with my opinion.
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Thanks to those who took the time to read my post and respond to it.
I just wanted to add one more thing since the words 'manipulated', 'fooled', and 'scammed' are popping up all over the place lately. It may very well turn out that MJ is dead and we have been wrong this whole time about everything...time will tell. But after all we have learned about ourselves throughout this entire hoax, who are we kidding in blaming someone else for manipulating, fooling, or scamming us into believing anything? Is it not our own personal choice to believe or not believe what we see, hear, or read...whether on this board or anywhere in our private lives? Is anyone forcing us to log in here everyday and continue this investigation? Or for that matter, is anyone trying to force you to believe anything they are telling you?
We have all harped on how the media is the 'bad' guy when it comes to MJ because they repeatedly try to manipulate people with what they write about him or how they portray him. And, yes, they are guilty as charged. BUT they are only one side of the equation! If people actually took the time to find the answers themselves, the truth about what kind of person MJ is and was has always been out there. It's that people just take what is written as gospel without questioning it. So who's more to blame...the media for printing it or the people who just take their word for it? The media can only manipulate those that are open to being manipulated.
It's the same thing with the hoax. Whether we believe what we believe because we have taken the time to investigate and think for ourselves, or whether it's because we just believe everything TS or anyone else writes....when all is said and done, if we were fooled then there is no one other than ourselves to hold accountable. People can try all they want to manipulate, fool, or scam others, but at the end of the day, YOU are responsible and accountable for YOUR beliefs, whatever they be. To place blame on someone else for your beliefs is, in essence, saying that you were not thinking for yourself.
I, for one, resigned myself a long time ago to the possibility that the day may come where I discover that I was wrong all along and that MJ is really gone. And if I truly felt that he was gone, I wouldn't keep going on with this investigation. But it is MY choice to continue with it, MY choice to continue reading and posting on this site, MY choice as to what I believe and/or discard based on MY own investigation(s). If in the end it turns out that I was wrong in my beliefs, it will be no one's fault but MY own.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Currently at a station called CHAOS ... have decided to stay on board this train NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. Since we've been told MJ loves controversy, I'm surmising that he believes the end justifies the means. Keep the faith my fellow train buddies. "Ordo ab Chao" ;) .
Amid all the controversy and craziness, I continue to learn some valuable lessons from you all and I want to thank you for that. We WILL get through this so stay firm in the beliefs which brought you to this site and has kept you here so far. Don't let the current situation distract you or cause you to lose hope. Remember this is still Michael's hoax and "it's all for L.O.V.E.". I love you guys ... Emerald xo
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I am going to take a break from this thread because I am too pissed off to comment anyway
I have something for you
(http://i53.tinypic.com/b67bqq.jpg)
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I am sure many of us here have guessed that others on the forum have been privy to more information than the majority and "the cat has now been let out of the bag" so to speak - this is not a surprise
I very much agree with your post @Andrea
by Andrea » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:07 pm
That's what I want too. John Lennon said: "Piss for peace, smile for peace, go to school for peace, don't go to school for peace - whatever you do, do it for peace."
We're the Army of Love! When Michael returns, thousands and thousands (if not more) will flock to this site to play catch up. So let's practice what we preach because who would want to join an Army of Love that can't keep the peace within it's own ranks?
This is another quote from a very famous man that I think is pertinent here
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"You can pray to the angels and they will listen, but the best way to call them, I am told, is to laugh. Angels respond to delight, because that is what they're made of. In fact, when people's minds are clouded by anger or hatred, no angel can reach them." M. Jackson
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I am going to take a break from this thread because I am too pissed off to comment anyway
I have something for you
(http://i53.tinypic.com/b67bqq.jpg)
haaaahahaha. god you guys are great!
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I am sure many of us here have guessed that others on the forum have been privy to more information than the majority and "the cat has now been let out of the bag" so to speak - this is not a surprise
I very much agree with your post @Andrea
by Andrea » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:07 pm
That's what I want too. John Lennon said: "Piss for peace, smile for peace, go to school for peace, don't go to school for peace - whatever you do, do it for peace."
We're the Army of Love! When Michael returns, thousands and thousands (if not more) will flock to this site to play catch up. So let's practice what we preach because who would want to join an Army of Love that can't keep the peace within it's own ranks?
Amazing quote. How fitting! :D
This is another quote from a very famous man that I think is pertinent here
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"You can pray to the angels and they will listen, but the best way to call them, I am told, is to laugh. Angels respond to delight, because that is what they're made of. In fact, when people's minds are clouded by anger or hatred, no angel can reach them." M. Jackson
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Wow, talk about clearing the air a little! We find out on Oprah that MJ loves and lives for controversy, and bang, controversy explodes here. Coincidence? When I was completely ignorant last fall, I remember being amazed that people like Mo and Souza had brilliant theories right off the bat, and was trying to devour everything in sight trying to make sense. Souza I do appreciate your honesty, and whether information was withheld from us or not, I still believe no one knows everything, and absolutely I believe Michael is alive and is behind this hoax. That's where independent study and finding your own proofs comes into play. There's verses in James about that, but don't take it in the religious sense:
James 1:2-8 (King James Version)
2My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Souza, when you were describing "Bob", he almost sounds like BACK, with the 'Mind Fuck' talk? I know we talked about the whole doubles theory, but I'm thinking about the song "Threatened" and the line, "be in two places at the same time".
Could these writing-styles doubles be TS/Tim and Bob/Back?
Just some other thoughts also. When you posted Tim's 2003 article, I thought about the fact that for many years every Sunday, Michael went door to door peddling JWism. He obviously must have developed his own style of "selling" the product and learned a thing or two about manipulation as MJ is smart-smart-smart. This whole thing could be an outgrowth of that. Plus all the while he's wearing a fat-suit and disguise. How many people have to layer their whole life like that. VERY UNIQUE if you ask me. MJ could easily handle hoax within hoax within hoax, and be in two places at the same time. Did not V also provide for himself elaborate well-oiled cover-ups for his own protection, simply because he'd gotten "burned", like MJ has many times.
Akon said he thinks MJ thinks planetary. Back said it's a takeover. I believe whatever it is, we here are at the hub of it. We are in the eye of the hurricane. We just have to hang on, and just enjoy the ride, breathe deep, and love it. Love the controversy, think for ourselves, love each other. Trust MJ.
Bottom line about this thread, is that we shouldn't bite the hand that feeds us. I really appreciate both of you Souza and Mo, for all your hard work and dedication as leaders here. I appreciate the mods too. I love being here, it is a family. I dread the thought of it disintigrating from lack of trust, respect and doing our own research. :)
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Wow, talk about clearing the air a little! We find out on Oprah that MJ loves and lives for controversy, and bang, controversy explodes here. Coincidence? When I was completely ignorant last fall, I remember being amazed that people like Mo and Souza had brilliant theories right off the bat, and was trying to devour everything in sight trying to make sense. Souza I do appreciate your honesty, and whether information was withheld from us or not, I still believe no one knows everything, and absolutely I believe Michael is alive and is behind this hoax. That's where independent study and finding your own proofs comes into play. There's verses in James about that, but don't take it in the religious sense:
James 1:2-8 (King James Version)
2My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
5If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Souza, when you were describing "Bob", he almost sounds like BACK, with the 'Mind Fuck' talk? I know we talked about the whole doubles theory, but I'm thinking about the song "Threatened" and the line, "be in two places at the same time".
Could these writing-styles doubles be TS/Tim and Bob/Back?
Just some other thoughts also. When you posted Tim's 2003 article, I thought about the fact that for many years every Sunday, Michael went door to door peddling JWism. He obviously must have developed his own style of "selling" the product and learned a thing or two about manipulation as MJ is smart-smart-smart. This whole thing could be an outgrowth of that. Plus all the while he's wearing a fat-suit and disguise. How many people have to layer their whole life like that. VERY UNIQUE if you ask me. MJ could easily handle hoax within hoax within hoax, and be in two places at the same time. Did not V also provide for himself elaborate well-oiled cover-ups for his own protection, simply because he'd gotten "burned", like MJ has many times.
Akon said he thinks MJ thinks planetary. Back said it's a takeover. I believe whatever it is, we here are at the hub of it. We are in the eye of the hurricane. We just have to hang on, and just enjoy the ride, breathe deep, and love it. Love the controversy, think for ourselves, love each other. Trust MJ.
Bottom line about this thread, is that we shouldn't bite the hand that feeds us. I really appreciate both of you Souza and Mo, for all your hard work and dedication as leaders here. I appreciate the mods too. I love being here, it is a family. I dread the thought of it disintigrating from lack of trust, respect and doing our own research. :)
Fantastic insight, MJonmind! Thank you for that. I think you are right about being in the eye of the storm. And I really believe this is much bigger than any one individual person could know...
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Thanks to those who took the time to read my post and respond to it.
I just wanted to add one more thing since the words 'manipulated', 'fooled', and 'scammed' are popping up all over the place lately. It may very well turn out that MJ is dead and we have been wrong this whole time about everything...time will tell. But after all we have learned about ourselves throughout this entire hoax, who are we kidding in blaming someone else for manipulating, fooling, or scamming us into believing anything? Is it not our own personal choice to believe or not believe what we see, hear, or read...whether on this board or anywhere in our private lives? Is anyone forcing us to log in here everyday and continue this investigation? Or for that matter, is anyone trying to force you to believe anything they are telling you?
We have all harped on how the media is the 'bad' guy when it comes to MJ because they repeatedly try to manipulate people with what they write about him or how they portray him. And, yes, they are guilty as charged. BUT they are only one side of the equation! If people actually took the time to find the answers themselves, the truth about what kind of person MJ is and was has always been out there. It's that people just take what is written as gospel without questioning it. So who's more to blame...the media for printing it or the people who just take their word for it? The media can only manipulate those that are open to being manipulated.
It's the same thing with the hoax. Whether we believe what we believe because we have taken the time to investigate and think for ourselves, or whether it's because we just believe everything TS or anyone else writes....when all is said and done, if we were fooled then there is no one other than ourselves to hold accountable. People can try all they want to manipulate, fool, or scam others, but at the end of the day, YOU are responsible and accountable for YOUR beliefs, whatever they be. To place blame on someone else for your beliefs is, in essence, saying that you were not thinking for yourself.
I, for one, resigned myself a long time ago to the possibility that the day may come where I discover that I was wrong all along and that MJ is really gone. And if I truly felt that he was gone, I wouldn't keep going on with this investigation. But it is MY choice to continue with it, MY choice to continue reading and posting on this site, MY choice as to what I believe and/or discard based on MY own investigation(s). If in the end it turns out that I was wrong in my beliefs, it will be no one's fault but MY own.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Thank you! I also would like to add, if I may, that we should always take responsibility in our own lives and not DEPEND on someone else to come and save us. The only way to be saved is by saving ourselves. I've been saying that from the beginning. I really do not think it's fair to depend on Michael to save this world or to save a portion or to save anything. If you wish to believe that Michael is coming back for these reasons, that's okay but don't be mad at Michael or anyone else for that matter if those beliefs are false. I know this is slightly off topic but thought it fits in this thread.
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All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
No Gema, you repeatedly posted the Private Messages you got from Badkolo on the forum. Before I banned you, you received warnings. You ignored the warnings and continued posting Badkolo's PMs. That is the reason I banned you. For your information - I was also the one who unbanned you.
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Thanks to those who took the time to read my post and respond to it.
I just wanted to add one more thing since the words 'manipulated', 'fooled', and 'scammed' are popping up all over the place lately. It may very well turn out that MJ is dead and we have been wrong this whole time about everything...time will tell. But after all we have learned about ourselves throughout this entire hoax, who are we kidding in blaming someone else for manipulating, fooling, or scamming us into believing anything? Is it not our own personal choice to believe or not believe what we see, hear, or read...whether on this board or anywhere in our private lives? Is anyone forcing us to log in here everyday and continue this investigation? Or for that matter, is anyone trying to force you to believe anything they are telling you?
We have all harped on how the media is the 'bad' guy when it comes to MJ because they repeatedly try to manipulate people with what they write about him or how they portray him. And, yes, they are guilty as charged. BUT they are only one side of the equation! If people actually took the time to find the answers themselves, the truth about what kind of person MJ is and was has always been out there. It's that people just take what is written as gospel without questioning it. So who's more to blame...the media for printing it or the people who just take their word for it? The media can only manipulate those that are open to being manipulated.
It's the same thing with the hoax. Whether we believe what we believe because we have taken the time to investigate and think for ourselves, or whether it's because we just believe everything TS or anyone else writes....when all is said and done, if we were fooled then there is no one other than ourselves to hold accountable. People can try all they want to manipulate, fool, or scam others, but at the end of the day, YOU are responsible and accountable for YOUR beliefs, whatever they be. To place blame on someone else for your beliefs is, in essence, saying that you were not thinking for yourself.
I, for one, resigned myself a long time ago to the possibility that the day may come where I discover that I was wrong all along and that MJ is really gone. And if I truly felt that he was gone, I wouldn't keep going on with this investigation. But it is MY choice to continue with it, MY choice to continue reading and posting on this site, MY choice as to what I believe and/or discard based on MY own investigation(s). If in the end it turns out that I was wrong in my beliefs, it will be no one's fault but MY own.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Thank you! I also would like to add, if I may, that we should always take responsibility in our own lives and not DEPEND on someone else to come and save us. The only way to be saved is by saving ourselves. I've been saying that from the beginning. I really do not think it's fair to depend on Michael to save this world or to save a portion or to save anything. If you wish to believe that Michael is coming back for these reasons, that's okay but don't be mad at Michael or anyone else for that matter if those beliefs are false. I know this is slightly off topic but thought it fits in this thread.
I wouldn't blame him for anything, not even if he decided to hang himself. I would fully understand that when I think of what he had to endure in life. But that's not the point, everything in this saga shows us that there is only one possibility, and that is that he is still alive.
When I look at everything we have investigated so far and the way he hightailed it (in a too obvious way) I come to only one conclusion and that is that he planned to return. If he won't, this complete circus would have been in vain.
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Thank you! I also would like to add, if I may, that we should always take responsibility in our own lives and not DEPEND on someone else to come and save us. The only way to be saved is by saving ourselves. I've been saying that from the beginning. I really do not think it's fair to depend on Michael to save this world or to save a portion or to save anything. If you wish to believe that Michael is coming back for these reasons, that's okay but don't be mad at Michael or anyone else for that matter if those beliefs are false. I know this is slightly off topic but thought it fits in this thread.
Thanks looking4truth. That is sooo very true. Michael's been trying to tell us that as well. "If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make that change".
All of this has opened my eyes to so many things in the world. But perhaps the most profound thing I've learned is what I am made of. If it's been a huge mirror for me. I feel like I know myself better now. I think alot of people these days have a hard time with their sense of self, and therefore always need someone to tell them what they should do. The answers are within us all.
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It's the same thing with the hoax. Whether we believe what we believe because we have taken the time to investigate and think for ourselves, or whether it's because we just believe everything TS or anyone else writes....when all is said and done, if we were fooled then there is no one other than ourselves to hold accountable. People can try all they want to manipulate, fool, or scam others, but at the end of the day, YOU are responsible and accountable for YOUR beliefs, whatever they be. To place blame on someone else for your beliefs is, in essence, saying that you were not thinking for yourself.
True, people believe what they want and we are all responsible for causing our actions, we should not blame others.
I'm not saying TS is false, but now I have my doubts, and my question is as I have said repeatedly for Eliza.
Anyway time will tell who is right.
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[youtube:mued4fi9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnrDDsaNr84[/youtube:mued4fi9]
Let the TRUTH unfurl. 8-)
I believe in me so you believe in you.
Wanna be startin somethin. ;)
Michael (archangel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28Angel%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_%28Angel%29)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12:1&version=AMP)
Daniel 12:1 (Amplified Bible)
Daniel 12
1 AND AT that time [of the end] Michael shall arise, the great [angelic] prince who defends and has charge of your [Daniel's] people. And there shall be a time of trouble, straitness, and distress such as never was since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the Book [of God's plan for His own].
:ugeek:
3 more Jesus and MJ parallels for whoever's interested
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256&start=0)
“The End Is Near” 777, ARK, WARNINGS...
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426&start=0)
Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14516 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14516)
2012 - The Age of Aquarius / Mike?
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14414 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14414)
There is alot of information on this board that hints to the parallels of Michael and Jesus. I am not claiming to say that Michael is Jesus. It is no different than the parallels of the "death" hoax he did using Elvis/Jesse as a guide.
So in saying that I say if you read the following info (below) and insert Michael's name where they speak of Jesus, you will see that HIStory is repeating itself.
Michael is causing controversy just like Jesus did back then. Jesus also had 12 disciples that he chose to continue his work after he was gone. Do you suppose that Michael would have disciples now or is he carefully choosing who would be the best disciples for the job at hand coming up?
The NWO and the EOW are subjects that still exist. Why are you (anyone) who is shaken at the latest controversy allowing that to conflict with your faith?
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16112&p=274036#p274036 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16112&p=274036#p274036)
I said what I did in this thread (above) for a reason. Do you see what is happening here? The illusion is being shattered and what is happening? You are falling apart because you were to involved in the illusion and not reality.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/gc/gc12.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/gc/gc12.htm)
The Great Controversy, by Ellen G. White, [1858], at sacred-texts.com
CHAPTER 11
The Ascension of Christ
All heaven was waiting the hour of triumph when Jesus should ascend to his Father. Angels came to receive the King of glory, and to escort him triumphantly to heaven. After Jesus had blessed his disciples, he was parted from them, and taken up. And as he led the way upward, the multitude of captives who were raised at his resurrection followed. A multitude of the heavenly host was in attendance; while in heaven an innumerable number of angels awaited his coming. As they ascended up to the holy city, the angels who escorted Jesus cried out, Lift up your heads, O ye gates, and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors, and the King of glory shall come in. With rapture the angels in the city, who awaited his coming, cried out, who is this King of glory? The escorting angels with triumph answered, The Lord strong and mighty! The Lord mighty in battle! Lift up your heads, O ye gates! even lift them up, ye everlasting doors, and the King of glory shall come in. Again the heavenly host cried out, Who is this King of glory? The escorting angels in melodious strains answered, The Lord of hosts! He is the King of Glory! And the heavenly train passed into the city. Then all the heavenly host surrounded the Son of God, their majestic commander, and with the deepest adoration bowed, casting their glittering crowns at his feet. And then they touched their golden harps, and in sweet, melodious strains, filled all heaven with their rich music and songs to the Lamb who was slain, yet lives again in majesty and glory.
Next I was shown the disciples as they sorrowfully gazed towards heaven to catch the last glimpse of their ascending Lord. Two angels clothed in white apparel stood by them, and said unto them, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. The disciples, with the mother of Jesus, witnessed the ascension of the Son of God, and they spent that night in talking over his wonderful acts, and the strange and glorious things which had transpired within a short time.
Satan counselled with his angels, and with bitter hatred against God’s government, told them that while he retained his power and authority upon earth, their efforts must be tenfold stronger against the followers of Jesus. They had prevailed nothing against Jesus; but his followers they must overthrow if possible, and carry on his work through every generation, to ensnare those who should believe in Jesus, his resurrection and ascension. Satan related to his angels that Jesus had given his disciples power to cast them out, rebuke them, and heal those whom he should afflict.
Then Satan’s angels went forth like roaring lions, seeking to destroy the followers of Jesus.
See Psalms 24:7-10, Acts1:1-11
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/gc/gc13.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/gc/gc13.htm)
The Great Controversy, by Ellen G. White, [1858], at sacred-texts.com
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CHAPTER 12
The Disciples of Christ
With mighty power the disciples preached a crucified and a risen Savior. They healed the sick, even one who had always been lame was restored to perfect soundness, and entered with them into the temple, walking and leaping and praising God in the sight of all the people. The news spread, and the people began to press around the disciples. Many ran together, greatly astonished and amazed at the cure that had been wrought.
When Jesus died the chief priests thought that there would be no more miracles wrought among them, that the excitement would die, and that the people would again turn to the traditions of men. But, lo! right in their midst, the disciples were working miracles, and the people were filled with amazement, and gazed with wonder upon them. Jesus had been crucified, and they wondered where the disciples had obtained this power. When he was alive they thought that he imparted power to his disciples; when Jesus died, they expected those miracles would end. Peter understood their perplexity, and said to them, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers hath glorified his Son Jesus, whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. But ye denied the Holy One, and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you, and killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead, whereof we are witnesses. Peter told them that it was faith in Jesus that had caused this perfect soundness of a man who was before a cripple.
The chief priests and elders could not bear these words. They laid hold of the disciples and put them in confinement. But thousands were converted, and believed in the resurrection and ascension of Christ, by hearing only one discourse from the disciples. The chief priests and elders were troubled. They had slain Jesus that the minds of the people might be turned to themselves; but the matter was now worse than before. They were openly accused by the disciples of being the murderers of the Son of God, and they could not determine to what extent these things might grow, or how they themselves would be regarded by the people. They would gladly have put the disciples to death; but dared not for fear the people would stone them. They called for the disciples, who were brought before the council. The very men who eagerly cried for the blood of the Just One were there. They had heard Peter's cowardly denial of Jesus, with cursing and swearing, as he was accused of being one of his disciples. They thought to intimidate Peter; but he was now converted. An opportunity was here given Peter to exalt Jesus. He once denied him; but he could now remove the stain of that hasty, cowardly denial, and honor the name he had denied. No cowardly fears reigned in the breast of Peter then; but with holy boldness, and in the power of the Holy Spirit, he fearlessly declared unto them that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at naught of you builders, which has become the head stone of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The people were astonished at the boldness of Peter and John. They took knowledge of them that they had been with Jesus; for their noble, fearless conduct compared well with the appearance of Jesus when he was persecuted by his murderers. Jesus, by one look of pity and sorrow, reproved Peter after he had denied him, and now as he boldly acknowledged his Lord, Peter was approved and blessed. As a token of the approbation of Jesus, he was filled with the Holy Spirit.
The chief priests dared not manifest the hate they felt towards the disciples. They commanded them to go aside out of the council, and they conferred among themselves, saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem, and we cannot deny it. They were afraid to have this good work spread. If it should spread, their power would be lost, and they would be looked upon as the murderers of Jesus. All that they dared to do was to threaten them, and command them to speak no more in the name of Jesus lest they die. But Peter declared boldly that they could but speak the things which they had seen and heard.
By the power of Jesus the disciples continued to heal every one of the afflicted and the sick which were brought to them. The high priests and elders, and those particularly engaged with them, were alarmed. Hundreds were enlisting daily under the banner of a crucified, risen and ascended Saviour. They shut the apostles up in prison, and hoped that the excitement would subside. Satan triumphed, and the evil angels exulted; but the angels of God were sent and opened the prison doors, and, contrary to the command of the high priest and elders, bade them go into the temple, and speak all the words of this life. The council assembled and sent for their prisoners. The officers unclosed the prison doors; but the prisoners whom they sought were not there. They returned to the priests and elders, and said to them, The prison truly found we shut with all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors; but when we had opened we found no man within. Then came one and told them, saying, Behold the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people. Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence; for they feared the people lest they should have been stoned. And when they had brought them, they set them before the council; and the high priest asked them, Did not we straitly command you, that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
They were hypocrites, and loved the praise of men more than they loved God. Their hearts were hardened, and the most mighty acts wrought by the apostles only enraged them. They knew that if the disciples preached Jesus, his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension, it would fasten guilt upon them, and proclaim them his murderers. They were not as willing to receive the blood of Jesus as when they vehemently cried, His blood be on us, and on our children.
The apostles boldly declared that they ought to obey God rather than man. Said Peter, The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Spirit whom God hath given to them that obey him. Then were those murderers enraged. They wished to imbrue their hands in blood again by slaying the apostles. They were planning how to do this, when an angel from God was sent to Gamaliel to move upon his heart to counsel the chief priest and rulers. Said Gamaliel, Refrain from these men, and let them alone; for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to naught; but if it be of God ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. The evil angels were moving upon the priests and elders to put the apostles to death; but God sent his angel to prevent it, by raising up a voice in favor of the disciples in their own ranks.
The work of the apostles was not finished. They were to be brought before kings, to witness to the name of Jesus, and to testify to the things which they had seen and heard. But before these chief priests and elders let them go, they beat them, and commanded them to speak no more in the name of Jesus. They departed from the council praising God that they were accounted worthy to suffer for his dear name. They continued their mission, preaching in the temple and in every house where they were invited. The word of God grew and multiplied. Satan had moved upon the chief priests and elders to hire the Roman guard to falsely say that the disciples stole Jesus while they slept. Through this lie they hoped to conceal the facts; but, lo, springing up all around them were the mighty evidences of Jesus' resurrection. The disciples boldly declared it, and testified to the things which they had seen and heard, and through the name of Jesus they performed mighty miracles. They boldly placed the blood of Jesus upon those who were so willing to receive it, when they were permitted to have power over the Son of God.
I saw that the angels of God were commissioned to have a special care, and guard the sacred, important truths which were to serve as an anchor to hold the disciples of Christ through every generation.
The Holy Spirit especially rested upon the apostles, who were witnesses of Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection and ascension -- important truths which were to be the hope of Israel. All were to look to the Saviour of the world as their only hope, and walk in the way Jesus opened by the sacrifice of his own life, and keep God's law and live. I saw the wisdom and goodness of Jesus in giving power to the disciples to carry on the same work which caused the Jews to hate and slay him. They had power given them over the works of Satan. They wrought signs and wonders through the name of Jesus, who was despised, and by wicked hands slain. A halo of light and glory clustered about the time of Jesus' death and resurrection, immortalizing the sacred facts that he was the Saviour of the world.[/u]
See Acts chap.3-5
http://www.sacred-texts.com/pro/index.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pro/index.htm)
Prophecy and Divination
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What does the future hold? This is one of the big questions we'd all like answered. This page has links to resources at sacred-texts that relate to prophecy and divination.
Prophecy
The Prophecies of Nostradamus
by Nostradamus. The complete predictions of Nostradamus both in English and Old French, with a biography of Nostradamus and some notes about the events of 9/11.
Nostradamus: The Man Who Saw Through Time
by Lee McCann [1941].
A biography and historical novel of Nostradamus, with many interpreted quatrains, written during World War II.
The Oracles of Nostradamus
by Charles A. Ward [1891].
The complete text of one of the best books about Nostradamus ever written.
The Sibylline Oracles
Tr. by Milton S. Terry [1899].
Read the mysterious (purported) predictions of the Roman Sibylline Oracle.
The Book of Revelation
The most famous Christian prophecy.
The Prophecies of Paracelsus
by Paracelsus, tr. by J.K [1915].
The alchemist and esoteric philosopher issued a set of 32 predictions, each illustrated by an enigmatic woodcut.
Mother Shipton Investigated
by William H. Harrison [1881]
Prophecies attributed to Mother Shipton, a legendary English figure who lived over 500 years ago are startlingly accurate. Were these true predictions or just simply a self-perpetuating hoax?
The Prophecies of the Brahan Seer
by Alexander Mackenzie, intro. by Andrew Lang [1899]
The tale of the famed Scottish clarivoyant and his amazing, and very specific, predictions.
Divination
If you'd like to get your own view of the future, here are some systems for doing so.
Planetary Positions
Get the current astrological chart, cast one for your birthdate, or for any historical date.
Sacred Books of the East, Volume 16; the I Ching
by James Legge [1899]
The famous Chinese oracle book, one of the oldest surviving sacred texts.
The Pictorial Key to the Tarot
by A.E. Waite [1911]
Read the classic by A.E. Waite on the Tarot. Includes the Waite-Rider Tarot deck. Also: get a Tarot reading!
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't blame him for anything, not even if he decided to hang himself. I would fully understand that when I think of what he had to endure in life. But that's not the point, everything in this saga shows us that there is only one possibility, and that is that he is still alive.
When I look at everything we have investigated so far and the way he hightailed it (in a too obvious way) I come to only one conclusion and that is that he planned to return. If he won't, this complete circus would have been in vain.
I understand why it seems this way but it does not rule out the possibility of it being something else. Now if it is, then things really do not make any sense. :lol: Eventually, the truth will prevail as they all say and hopefully, we will all gain closure on this one way or another. In the meantime, I will continue to enjoy this adventure and investigate as much as I can and I'm assuming you'll probably do the same. And I truly do not think the circus would be in vain even if he never showed his face again because look at what we created, what we learned and what we gained from all of this. It's amazing really.
Thanks looking4truth. That is sooo very true. Michael's been trying to tell us that as well. "If you wanna make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make that change".
All of this has opened my eyes to so many things in the world. But perhaps the most profound thing I've learned is what I am made of. If it's been a huge mirror for me. I feel like I know myself better now. I think alot of people these days have a hard time with their sense of self, and therefore always need someone to tell them what they should do. The answers are within us all.
To quote the poetic Teddy Riley, "Yep Yep." 8-)
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All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
No Gema, you repeatedly posted the Private Messages you got from Badkolo on the forum. Before I banned you, you received warnings. You ignored the warnings and continued posting Badkolo's PMs. That is the reason I banned you. For your information - I was also the one who unbanned you.
That´s a lie MO, a big one.
I repeatedly posted the Private Messages?? how could that be possible?? I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE ;)
I did post in the open thread ONCE the "nice" PM i got from Badkolo out of my surprise to find out how someone out from the blue would approach me in such a way via PM, and that post was deleted and after that, I was banned.
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Both warnings had no reasonable grounds for me to be banned at all, MO.
I just asked for respect towards the members of this forum. And did it straight.
You did abuse, together with Badkolo, your position.
I always approach people with respect and tolerance and I did not appreciated the way YOU and BADKOLO dealt with the issue of me asking for respect from that member to the rest of the forum.
Let me remind you as well that Badkolo did call us, the ones who were not in agree with the Sun participation, a bunch of undesirable names.
That you want to fit the truth to your own agenda to cover up your mistake it´s something else, but please, do not twist the senario of what TRULLY happened.
My ban was in no way correct
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I can tell about being too fast banned, without any good reason..
But cant we just forget everything and move on with this great hoax?
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All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
No Gema, you repeatedly posted the Private Messages you got from Badkolo on the forum. Before I banned you, you received warnings. You ignored the warnings and continued posting Badkolo's PMs. That is the reason I banned you. For your information - I was also the one who unbanned you.
That´s a lie MO, a big one.
I repeatedly posted the Private Messages?? how could that be possible?? I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE ;)
I did post in the open thread ONCE the "nice" PM i got from Badkolo out of my surprise to find out how someone out from the blue would approach me in such a way via PM, and that post was deleted and after that, I was banned.
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Both warnings had no reasonable grounds for me to be banned at all, MO.
I just asked for respect towards the members of this forum. And did it straight.
You did abuse, together with Badkolo, your position.
I always approach people with respect and tolerance and I did not appreciated the way YOU and BADKOLO dealt with the issue of me asking for respect from that member to the rest of the forum.
Let me remind you as well that Badkolo did call us, the ones who were not in agree with the Sun participation, a bunch of undesirable names.
That you want to fit the truth to your own agenda to cover up your mistake it´s something else, but please, do not twist the senario of what TRULLY happened.
My ban was in no way correct
A lie? No Gema, that's not a lie and you proved it by contradicting yourself in your post:
I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Had I banned you immediately like you claim, you would not have had the change to read the two warning I gave you.
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by frogh777 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:06 pm
I can tell about being too fast banned, without any good reason..
But cant we just forget everything and move on with this great hoax?
Yes, please. :(
All my life I have been taught and lived my life and beliefs in a box. Since about 15 or so years I have begun to cautiously and now a little more openly think outside the box, from my own research compiled from many diverse others. Whatever Michael dishes out to us, whether it is close to my own developed ideas or not, I'm sticking to him like glue, simply because I really like what I see, like I've never liked before. I have NEVER NEVER found an interest in an individual before. If he lets me/us down in some way it is totally not his fault at all. I will still love him for taking us on this immensely pleasurable journey in my mind, heart and world community. This is my statement for the record. :lol: When the dust completely settles is when I will sign off. :cry:
He is the 777 unstopable train, and I ain't gettin off. :mrgreen:
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All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
No Gema, you repeatedly posted the Private Messages you got from Badkolo on the forum. Before I banned you, you received warnings. You ignored the warnings and continued posting Badkolo's PMs. That is the reason I banned you. For your information - I was also the one who unbanned you.
That´s a lie MO, a big one.
I repeatedly posted the Private Messages?? how could that be possible?? I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE ;)
I did post in the open thread ONCE the "nice" PM i got from Badkolo out of my surprise to find out how someone out from the blue would approach me in such a way via PM, and that post was deleted and after that, I was banned.
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Both warnings had no reasonable grounds for me to be banned at all, MO.
I just asked for respect towards the members of this forum. And did it straight.
You did abuse, together with Badkolo, your position.
I always approach people with respect and tolerance and I did not appreciated the way YOU and BADKOLO dealt with the issue of me asking for respect from that member to the rest of the forum.
Let me remind you as well that Badkolo did call us, the ones who were not in agree with the Sun participation, a bunch of undesirable names.
That you want to fit the truth to your own agenda to cover up your mistake it´s something else, but please, do not twist the senario of what TRULLY happened.
My ban was in no way correct
A lie? No Gema, that's not a lie and you proved it by contradicting yourself in your post:
I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Had I banned you immediately like you claim, you would not have had the change to read the two warning I gave you.
Mo, for heavens sake!!! All happened within 2 minutes!!! come on!!! are you kidding with me???
Stop twisting the truth :evil: :evil: :evil: you are going too far.
If you don´t want publically to admit that you did wrong, fine, but this situation does not make your mistake right.
It is not the first time that you show to have a hard time accepting your mistakes, and I have not been the only one suffering from them, MO. However, we are humans and lack right judgement at times, so, no hard feelings from me anyway :)
I have said enough already regarding this inccident and also made my point clear :)
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All I have to say is that it is true that I was banned by *MO* just for telling Badkolo that he shoud respect members of this forum after I read how he/ she approached some of them for not agreeing with the article written by The Sun, which in my opinion, was extremely unrespecful.
No Gema, you repeatedly posted the Private Messages you got from Badkolo on the forum. Before I banned you, you received warnings. You ignored the warnings and continued posting Badkolo's PMs. That is the reason I banned you. For your information - I was also the one who unbanned you.
That´s a lie MO, a big one.
I repeatedly posted the Private Messages?? how could that be possible?? I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE ;)
I did post in the open thread ONCE the "nice" PM i got from Badkolo out of my surprise to find out how someone out from the blue would approach me in such a way via PM, and that post was deleted and after that, I was banned.
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Both warnings had no reasonable grounds for me to be banned at all, MO.
I just asked for respect towards the members of this forum. And did it straight.
You did abuse, together with Badkolo, your position.
I always approach people with respect and tolerance and I did not appreciated the way YOU and BADKOLO dealt with the issue of me asking for respect from that member to the rest of the forum.
Let me remind you as well that Badkolo did call us, the ones who were not in agree with the Sun participation, a bunch of undesirable names.
That you want to fit the truth to your own agenda to cover up your mistake it´s something else, but please, do not twist the senario of what TRULLY happened.
My ban was in no way correct
A lie? No Gema, that's not a lie and you proved it by contradicting yourself in your post:
I was banned inmediately Had no chance to post more than ONCE
You gave me two warnings: one for telling Badkolo to respect the forum members and the other after me posting in open forum the nice pm he sent me.
Had I banned you immediately like you claim, you would not have had the change to read the two warning I gave you.
Mo, for heavens sake!!! All happened within 2 minutes!!! come on!!! are you kidding with me???
Stop twisting the truth :evil: :evil: :evil: you are going too far.
If you don´t want publically to admit that you did wrong, fine, but this situation does not make your mistake right.
It is not the first time that you show to have a hard time accepting your mistakes, and I have not been the only one suffering from them, MO. However, we are humans and lack right judgement at times, so, no hard feelings from me anyway :)
I have said enough already regarding this inccident and also made my point clear :)
Here's a screenshot for you from the admin log Gema. As you can see I'm not kidding you, I did issue two warning and all did not happen within 2 minutes:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/ban_gema.jpg)
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by frogh777 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:06 pm
I can tell about being too fast banned, without any good reason..
But cant we just forget everything and move on with this great hoax?
Yes, please. :(
All my life I have been taught and lived my life and beliefs in a box. Since about 15 or so years I have begun to cautiously and now a little more openly think outside the box, from my own research compiled from many diverse others. Whatever Michael dishes out to us, whether it is close to my own developed ideas or not, I'm sticking to him like glue, simply because I really like what I see, like I've never liked before. I have NEVER NEVER found an interest in an individual before. If he lets me/us down in some way it is totally not his fault at all. I will still love him for taking us on this immensely pleasurable journey in my mind, heart and world community. This is my statement for the record. :lol: When the dust completely settles is when I will sign off. :cry:
He is the 777 unstopable train, and I ain't gettin off. :mrgreen:
Right beside you MJOM! Not gettin' off this 777 Express 'til it reaches the Emerald City ;) :D
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Ok MO, took you 6 minutes to bann me, not 2 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Takes a lil more time than 2 minutes to wait to read and post a new reply on a thread ;)
Now post the 2 messages I posted in open thread in reply to Badkolo "as the reason for the warning", if you don´t "have them", I do, and will gladly post them :)
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The greatest measure of a person is not the way they deal with times of comfort and convienence but in the way they rise with controvery and challenge. (Martin Luther King)
Everything negative, pressures is an opportunity for us to RISE. (Kobe Bryant)
I think this is a test not only of our faith and ourselves but in the times to come.
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Ok MO, took you 6 minutes to bann me, not 2 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Takes a lil more time than 2 minutes to wait to read and post a new reply on a thread ;)
Now post the 2 messages I posted in open thread in reply to Badkolo "as the reason for the warning", if you don´t "have them", I do, and will gladly post them :)
this is being very funny and childlish... really.. How old are you if I can ask?
I mean arguing about 2 minutes or 6 minutes is really not necessary. Specially because it was more than 6 months ago and you are now on board again with us. with this you make this situation worse...
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Okay you guys have to watch that this is hilarious and will lighten the atmosphere (thank you Do for remembering us of the Fresh Prince of Belair) :lol:
[youtube:2va244bl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1hZFovigIU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2va244bl]
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Sarahli - I love Carlton's open-mouthed enthusiam! :lol: :lol:
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@frogh777,
Takes 2 to tango ;)
@Sarahli
:lol: :lol:
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Ok MO, took you 6 minutes to bann me, not 2 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Takes a lil more time than 2 minutes to wait to read and post a new reply on a thread ;)
Now post the 2 messages I posted in open thread in reply to Badkolo "as the reason for the warning", if you don´t "have them", I do, and will gladly post them :)
this is being very funny and childlish... really.. How old are you if I can ask?
I mean arguing about 2 minutes or 6 minutes is really not necessary. Specially because it was more than 6 months ago and you are now on board again with us. with this you make this situation worse... [/quote
i just wanted to say the same thing its not important to the HOAX or is it ??
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Ok MO, took you 6 minutes to bann me, not 2 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Takes a lil more time than 2 minutes to wait to read and post a new reply on a thread ;)
Now post the 2 messages I posted in open thread in reply to Badkolo "as the reason for the warning", if you don´t "have them", I do, and will gladly post them :)
this is being very funny and childlish... really.. How old are you if I can ask?
I mean arguing about 2 minutes or 6 minutes is really not necessary. Specially because it was more than 6 months ago and you are now on board again with us. with this you make this situation worse... [/quote
i just wanted to say the same thing its not important to the HOAX or is it ??
And I say it again :D
Takes 2 to tangoooooo
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Sarahli - I love Carlton's open-mouthed enthusiam! :lol: :lol:
:D :lol:
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Dodo wanted to say hi to all of you!!! :D
(http://i51.tinypic.com/dm4ltz.jpg)
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Well my username turned out to be prophetic, like I always said don't put faith in anyone you don't know personally regardless of who they are. So the admins haven't been honest with us and certain people knew more than the rest. Their agendas are their own and I never presumed to know what their agendas were. Is anyone else reminded of what went on lately at MJJC and how we were shaking our heads at the confusion and in-fighting over there? Now it's our turn, only we have more drama and subterfuge. How do we get through this? By not taking sides in some petty war. That's not why most of us are here. If people can't get on then fine but mudslinging is just a waste of time and is detremental to the integrity of the site as a whole. Unless those who have been witholding information want to invite the rest of us to participate by proving their claims then expecting us to choose who to support is pointless. The answer would be neither. Considering what we now know (or what we've been allowed to know) it wouldn't be a bad idea to be completely neutral. That's always been my opinion and it's been reinforced ten-fold.
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Dodo wanted to say hi to all of you!!! :D
(http://i51.tinypic.com/dm4ltz.jpg)
OMG thanks for this :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I am LMHO right now
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Well my username turned out to be prophetic, like I always said don't put faith in anyone you don't know personally regardless of who they are. So the admins haven't been honest with us and certain people knew more than the rest. Their agendas are their own and I never presumed to know what their agendas were. Is anyone else reminded of what went on lately at MJJC and how we were shaking our heads at the confusion and in-fighting over there? Now it's our turn, only we have more drama and subterfuge. How do we get through this? By not taking sides in some petty war. That's not why most of us are here. If people can't get on then fine but mudslinging is just a waste of time and is detremental to the integrity of the site as a whole. Unless those who have been witholding information want to invite the rest of us to participate by proving their claims then expecting us to choose who to support is pointless. The answer would be neither. Considering what we now know (or what we've been allowed to know) it wouldn't be a bad idea to be completely neutral. That's always been my opinion and it's been reinforced ten-fold.
You make very good points.
Imo, being neutral can apply up to a certain level. We still need to have opinions based in what we choose to believe and who to believe.
I can say that in the beginning I thought that TS´s posts where somehow the realization of the "Barnum effect", but after reading with more attention and watching the videos made, I started thinking that there was a "connection" and that the predictions were just too accurate to be fitting in to the picture as pure coincidence.
I can be wrong, but up to now I am very curious to find out which one is "TS´s system" to be so accurate beside the numerology :)
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trustno1 wrote:
Well my username turned out to be prophetic, like I always said don't put faith in anyone you don't know personally regardless of who they are. So the admins haven't been honest with us and certain people knew more than the rest. Their agendas are their own and I never presumed to know what their agendas were. Is anyone else reminded of what went on lately at MJJC and how we were shaking our heads at the confusion and in-fighting over there? Now it's our turn, only we have more drama and subterfuge. How do we get through this? By not taking sides in some petty war. That's not why most of us are here. If people can't get on then fine but mudslinging is just a waste of time and is detremental to the integrity of the site as a whole. Unless those who have been witholding information want to invite the rest of us to participate by proving their claims then expecting us to choose who to support is pointless. The answer would be neither. Considering what we now know (or what we've been allowed to know) it wouldn't be a bad idea to be completely neutral. That's always been my opinion and it's been reinforced ten-fold.
If you mention some good points, the mo not really like this situation, do not understand this public discussion of the managers when they can do for PM or personally.
I wonder if this forum will disappear :?:
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Let´s look at the bright side.
If comes the time that it is confirmed that we made a fool of ourselves to the whole world, at least, we made if for our Love to Michael :(
And after that i will make voodoo on all of the people behind this prank :D
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Gema wrote:
Let´s look at the bright side.
If comes the time that it is confirmed that we made a fool of ourselves to the whole world, at least, we made if for our Love to Michael
And after that i will make voodoo on all of the people behind this prank
:shock: :lol: :lol:
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Perhaps someone can help me out since this has all become so gray and bleak.
So, if there are insiders involved who are they? Is TS a known insider? If so, why can one not reveal his identity?
Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
MJMedia09 is another one that was banned immediately.
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The greatest measure of a person is not the way they deal with times of comfort and convienence but in the way they rise with controvery and challenge. (Martin Luther King)
Everything negative, pressures is an opportunity for us to RISE. (Kobe Bryant)
I think this is a test not only of our faith and ourselves but in the times to come.
[youtube:36yt2p9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtdTJP_GUI[/youtube:36yt2p9o]
In what will go down IN HIStory as the
GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM
in the History of our Nation!
I have been nuetral since the start. ;)
I stand by my words I said in my introduce me thread.
I am here to help bring forth truth and if it means I gotta go ghetto, I will.
I mean none of the army of L.O.V.E. or Michael's fans one side or the other side of the fence (believers or justice), any harm.
I just don't like silly kid games.
Yes your username suits you. ;)
Being cautious and staying alert is the name of the game. This is still a game unless we are quiting? I still believe in Michael's message so I am staying aboard the ship.
Peace
Well my username turned out to be prophetic, like I always said don't put faith in anyone you don't know personally regardless of who they are. So the admins haven't been honest with us and certain people knew more than the rest. Their agendas are their own and I never presumed to know what their agendas were. Is anyone else reminded of what went on lately at MJJC and how we were shaking our heads at the confusion and in-fighting over there? Now it's our turn, only we have more drama and subterfuge. How do we get through this? By not taking sides in some petty war. That's not why most of us are here. If people can't get on then fine but mudslinging is just a waste of time and is detremental to the integrity of the site as a whole. Unless those who have been witholding information want to invite the rest of us to participate by proving their claims then expecting us to choose who to support is pointless. The answer would be neither. Considering what we now know (or what we've been allowed to know) it wouldn't be a bad idea to be completely neutral. That's always been my opinion and it's been reinforced ten-fold.
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TS, first, my apologies for being so extremely late in commenting on your new post, which is great btw. Work is crazy this time of year (I deliver "snail mail" and volume is through the roof!). Athough I haven't been able to read much on the forum, my prayers have been going up for the entire family since last week. (Didn't really know why, but when the H.S. puts a burden on me for anyone, I just do it, no questions asked.) :)
The enemy is not indifferent to us. We are on his radar. And that in some ways is a good sign. It means we are a threat to him, we are interfering with his plans, and he quickly steps in with his tried and true, centuries old strategy....Division. First step in dealing with this is recognizing the enemy, and it is not our forum family members, thank God. So, long story short, I continue to pray for unity, I speak peace unto this precious bunch of lovable, diverse hearts and declare we will stand together and see this through to the end. I LOVE everyone of you with my whole heart and I'm encouraging you to lay aside this weight of division and walk in freedom.
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I really love all you people. So Souza brings up the banning of Gemma, which Mo uncharacteristicly retaliates too with screenshots and this segways us to Badkolo aka Louie K from huffington post and the TIAI satire posted there. This script is easy to follow. But none of this has changed my opinion one little bit. I'm staying on unstoppable train 777, passing right on through Chaos station, as well as Disillusionment Town, Give It Away City, Fort Fighting and any other life draining place. I'm going all the way ...ain't no stoppin us now......just need to tighten my seatbelt.. that's all.
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Hooray RK.......................I'm with you....save me a seat.....I'd like the window side please!!
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Please stop this non-sense! We are a family, don't forget that! Please sisters & brothers...make peace!! What happened with "It's all for love"? No more war and egos! :o
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My words are being step by step proven true? TS here with a band intention? TS a mindcontroller posing in a good person? Never deceived me, TS never deceived me with his IMAGE. I always had a quesion sign and still have it even regarding the built of this forum, whether is it built with a good or bad goal. No one has the right to accuse it as long if it is my opinion and everyone is free to THINK for himself. Either I blindly trusted anybody who said they have UNQUESTIONABLE proofs if those proofs are not factual but just some stretched and exagerrated suppositions made to look like undeniable proofs. I warned you too many times and you did nothing but keep going by their theories and accusing anybody who was against this brainwashing of being negativist, bad, crazy to not believe the "HUGE" proof they were talking about. I have my faith put in totally another thing that most of people skipped just because it didn't create the drama TS created with all his religious stuff and numerology thing. And sometimes I am grateful no many people opened their eyes to see it so far. Sorry for those who feel now like in the middle of a storm. It's nobody's fault.
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My words are being step by step proven true? TS here with a band intention? TS a mindcontroller posing in a good person? Never deceived me, TS never deceived me with his IMAGE. I always had a quesion sign and still have it even regarding the built of this forum, whether is it built with a good or bad goal. No one has the right to accuse it as long if it is my opinion and everyone is free to THINK for himself. Either I blindly trusted anybody who said they have UNQUESTIONABLE proofs if those proofs are not factual but just some stretched and exagerrated suppositions made to look like undeniable proofs. I warned you too many times and you did nothing but keep going by their theories and accusing anybody who was against this brainwashing of being negativist, bad, crazy to not believe the "HUGE" proof they were talking about. I have my faith put in totally another thing that most of people skipped just because it didn't create the drama TS created with all his religious stuff and numerology thing. And sometimes I am grateful no many people opened their eyes to see it so far. Sorry for those who feel now like in the middle of a storm. It's nobody's fault.
Your accusations are still empty.
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My words are being step by step proven true? TS here with a band intention? TS a mindcontroller posing in a good person? Never deceived me, TS never deceived me with his IMAGE. I always had a quesion sign and still have it even regarding the built of this forum, whether is it built with a good or bad goal. No one has the right to accuse it as long if it is my opinion and everyone is free to THINK for himself. Either I blindly trusted anybody who said they have UNQUESTIONABLE proofs if those proofs are not factual but just some stretched and exagerrated suppositions made to look like undeniable proofs. I warned you too many times and you did nothing but keep going by their theories and accusing anybody who was against this brainwashing of being negativist, bad, crazy to not believe the "HUGE" proof they were talking about. I have my faith put in totally another thing that most of people skipped just because it didn't create the drama TS created with all his religious stuff and numerology thing. And sometimes I am grateful no many people opened their eyes to see it so far. Sorry for those who feel now like in the middle of a storm. It's nobody's fault.
So, Tarja, please tell us (in the spirit of openness and honesty) what is this mysterious 'other thing' that most of us have skipped? And why would you be grateful that not many have seen it? I'm sorry, but without explaining yourself, you are doing nothing but adding to the drama around here. Maybe that's your intention ..... maybe that's your role ..... maybe you're MJ just having a bit of fun being mysterious???!!!
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Well my username turned out to be prophetic, like I always said don't put faith in anyone you don't know personally regardless of who they are. So the admins haven't been honest with us and certain people knew more than the rest. Their agendas are their own and I never presumed to know what their agendas were. Is anyone else reminded of what went on lately at MJJC and how we were shaking our heads at the confusion and in-fighting over there? Now it's our turn, only we have more drama and subterfuge. How do we get through this? By not taking sides in some petty war. That's not why most of us are here. If people can't get on then fine but mudslinging is just a waste of time and is detremental to the integrity of the site as a whole. Unless those who have been witholding information want to invite the rest of us to participate by proving their claims then expecting us to choose who to support is pointless. The answer would be neither. Considering what we now know (or what we've been allowed to know) it wouldn't be a bad idea to be completely neutral. That's always been my opinion and it's been reinforced ten-fold.
You make very good points.
Imo, being neutral can apply up to a certain level. We still need to have opinions based in what we choose to believe and who to believe.
I can say that in the beginning I thought that TS´s posts where somehow the realization of the "Barnum effect", but after reading with more attention and watching the videos made, I started thinking that there was a "connection" and that the predictions were just too accurate to be fitting in to the picture as pure coincidence.
I can be wrong, but up to now I am very curious to find out which one is "TS´s system" to be so accurate beside the numerology :)
Gema I agree with you (very glad you were unbanned btw!). I'm neutral towards the admins and the mods because I don't see how I could be otherwise, I don't know them personally. As for TS, I tend to think he's probably genuine but I also stay cautiously alert and aware that he might not be, which means I don't put too much of my hope/faith in their posts. That's not why I'm here and most of us aren't here simply because of TS either. Certain aspects of his posts seem credible, and maybe he throws the other stuff in to see if we can separate the important stuff from the distractions and not just blindly follow him. As for this Bob guy Souza was talking about, I can relate to his views on religion and such, it's a pity he's not here! Or is he?! ;)
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Okay you guys have to watch that this is hilarious and will lighten the atmosphere (thank you Do for remembering us of the Fresh Prince of Belair) :lol:
[youtube:2vz6hinq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1hZFovigIU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2vz6hinq]
Aaawwww, thank you Sarahli!
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Thank you Souza for that reply. Makes more sense. I just have a question if you are willing to answer about what sponge "Bob" did say about religion. Is it correct?
I forget to mention that. 'Bob' said, and I quote: "God doesn't need man in dresses" or something in that order, I can't check it now since I am at work. So 'Bob' does believe in God, yet thinks religion is a way to control people. Which I agree with when you look at all the wars that happened due to religion. If you link 'Bob' to TS and TS to Tim Simkins of the http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org) website, you will see that that is also what Tim Simkins says, that many religious leaders do not preach the truth about the Bible and that you should think and study for yourself to find the truth.
I am not religious, but I have said many times I believe there is 'something' that is guiding us. If people call that 'God', then yes, I believe in God. Religion is something man-made and it's purpose is to restrict people from living their lives fully. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and we don't need religious leaders who tell us what we should or shouldn't do. Mankind is by nature good, other men make some people evil. It's like with animals. Every animal is good by nature, but if you try hard enough and condition them the wrong way, they can become false. You can also contition them in a good way. My dog listens to me, but is not false and has a great life. My parents 'conditioned' me, but in a good way. They taught me to become a good person and have respect to other people, animals and nature. This is not a mind fuck or mind control, it's guiding someone to become a good person.
I would have to most definitely agree with Mr. Simkins that many religious leaders do not preach biblical truth. Most tend to give man's interpretation of the bible rather than what the Holy Spirit leads and guides to teach. Jesus said that when he returned to the Father after he raised from the dead, that he would send the comforter, the Holy Spirit, to lead and guide into ALL understanding. In Christ's time there were NO religions. There were only Jew and Gentiles. Jews believed in God, Gentiles had never heard of him. Jews in Jesus’ day were the ones who didn't believe that he was the son of God. The ones who changed their belief after Christ died, were known as Christian Jews, as they are today. Traditional Jews still are looking for the Messiah. So Christianity was not a religion.
Christians were believers and followers of Christ; they had a relationship with him and in turn with his heavenly father. We Love and listen to Michael and try as best we can to live what he taught, is the Army of LOVE a religion? Heaven forbid. Religion is about theorists with opinions about Christ and Gods word. We as human beings screw up terribly when we try to do God’s job for him. If we could create a world of peace all by ourselves, wouldn’t we already have done so. I mean just how many years has man been alive on the earth destroying one another. I believe since Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve’s sons. What are we waiting for? So I would certainly have to believe that there has to be divine intervention. From where I sit it doesn’t look like we will make such progress on our own. In fact it looks everyday as if we move closer to annihilating ourselves. However God will not allow that to happen. The bible says that if we destroy God’s creation he will destroy us, speaking of the persons responsible for such destruction.
Gentiles however were more receptive of Jesus because they had no preconceived notion of who the Messiah was suppose to be or even that he was coming. They heard him speak and saw the miracle's that he did and they believed, pure and simple. It's was a simple message, about LOVE and the characteristics of Love. But in Jesus’ eyes they were all the same, he had not respect of one person over another. Religions were not formed until after Christ's time. It was then that man tried to take what Jesus had brought to the world and put a twist on it to suite their own tastes and what they could live with and live by. They toss aside things that make them feel uncomfortable, regardless of it being Truth or not.
That is why there are so many different religions. Many chose not to acknowledge Jesus at all. Some religions heard the story of Jesus but he had been given another name because of translations. The one ultimately responsible for this confusion over religion is Satan. He has always found a way to get in and convolute anything God did. Satan can imitate anything God does. He can even pose as a messenger of Light. It is up to us to be lead by the Holy Spirit to understand the difference.
Anyone who has just the slightest desire to know and understand the truth will be guided to that understanding. Because there are no versions of Truth, if there were, it would not be truth. Truth is absolute, not variable. Opinions are variable. The best way to look at it is to look at the wind. Wind can’t be seen so does that mean it doesn’t exist? Wind causes movement, is that a fact or an opinion? It can’t be both. Wind causes movement is TRUTH period.
Should we not believe in the wind because we can’t see it and because we don’t like the ill effects of it sometimes? Because it can cause destruction. Getting mad at the wind and saying there is no such thing doesn’t change the wind . Who created wind? It didn’t evolve from something. The bible says we know not were it comes from or where it goes. So who decides? Man can’t make that choice. Is the wind a living thing with a mind of it’s own? How does it decide where to circulate?
I think Mr. Simkins has a very valid point!! IMHO….With LOVE!!!
No judgment or offense meant to non-believers.
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Thank you Souza for that reply. Makes more sense. I just have a question if you are willing to answer about what sponge "Bob" did say about religion. Is it correct?
I forget to mention that. 'Bob' said, and I quote: "God doesn't need man in dresses" or something in that order, I can't check it now since I am at work. So 'Bob' does believe in God, yet thinks religion is a way to control people. Which I agree with when you look at all the wars that happened due to religion. If you link 'Bob' to TS and TS to Tim Simkins of the http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org) website, you will see that that is also what Tim Simkins says, that many religious leaders do not preach the truth about the Bible and that you should think and study for yourself to find the truth.
I am not religious, but I have said many times I believe there is 'something' that is guiding us. If people call that 'God', then yes, I believe in God. Religion is something man-made and it's purpose is to restrict people from living their lives fully. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and we don't need religious leaders who tell us what we should or shouldn't do. Mankind is by nature good, other men make some people evil. It's like with animals. Every animal is good by nature, but if you try hard enough and condition them the wrong way, they can become false. You can also contition them in a good way. My dog listens to me, but is not false and has a great life. My parents 'conditioned' me, but in a good way. They taught me to become a good person and have respect to other people, animals and nature. This is not a mind fuck or mind control, it's guiding someone to become a good person.
I would have to most definitely agree with Mr. Simkins that many religious leaders do not preach biblical truth. Most tend to give man's interpretation of the bible rather than what the Holy Spirit leads and guides to teach. Jesus said that when he returned to the Father after he raised from the dead, that he would send the comforter, the Holy Spirit, to lead and guide into ALL understanding. In Christ's time there were NO religions. There were only Jew and Gentiles. Jews believed in God, Gentiles had never heard of him. Jews in Jesus’ day were the ones who didn't believe that he was the son of God. The ones who changed their belief after Christ died, were known as Christian Jews, as they are today. Traditional Jews still are looking for the Messiah. So Christianity was not a religion.
Christians were believers and followers of Christ; they had a relationship with him and in turn with his heavenly father. We Love and listen to Michael and try as best we can to live what he taught, is the Army of LOVE a religion? Heaven forbid. Religion is about theorists with opinions about Christ and Gods word. We as human beings screw up terribly when we try to do God’s job for him. If we could create a world of peace all by ourselves, wouldn’t we already have done so. I mean just how many years has man been alive on the earth destroying one another. I believe since Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve’s sons. What are we waiting for? So I would certainly have to believe that there has to be divine intervention. From where I sit it doesn’t look like we will make such progress on our own. In fact it looks everyday as if we move closer to annihilating ourselves. However God will not allow that to happen. The bible says that if we destroy God’s creation he will destroy us, speaking of the persons responsible for such destruction.
Gentiles however were more receptive of Jesus because they had no preconceived notion of who the Messiah was suppose to be or even that he was coming. They heard him speak and saw the miracle's that he did and they believed, pure and simple. It's was a simple message, about LOVE and the characteristics of Love. But in Jesus’ eyes they were all the same, he had not respect of one person over another. Religions were not formed until after Christ's time. It was then that man tried to take what Jesus had brought to the world and put a twist on it to suite their own tastes and what they could live with and live by. They toss aside things that make them feel uncomfortable, regardless of it being Truth or not.
That is why there are so many different religions. Many chose not to acknowledge Jesus at all. Some religions heard the story of Jesus but he had been given another name because of translations. The one ultimately responsible for this confusion over religion is Satan. He has always found a way to get in and convolute anything God did. Satan can imitate anything God does. He can even pose as a messenger of Light. It is up to us to be lead by the Holy Spirit to understand the difference.
Anyone who has just the slightest desire to know and understand the truth will be guided to that understanding. Because there are no versions of Truth, if there were, it would not be truth. Truth is absolute, not variable. Opinions are variable. The best way to look at it is to look at the wind. Wind can’t be seen so does that mean it doesn’t exist? Wind causes movement, is that a fact or an opinion? It can’t be both. Wind causes movement is TRUTH period.
Should we not believe in the wind because we can’t see it and because we don’t like the ill effects of it sometimes? Because it can cause destruction. Getting mad at the wind and saying there is no such thing doesn’t change the wind . Who created wind? It didn’t evolve from something. The bible says we know not were it comes from or where it goes. So who decides? Man can’t make that choice. Is the wind a living thing with a mind of it’s own? How does it decide where to circulate?
I think Mr. Simkins has a very valid point!! IMHO….With LOVE!!!
No judgment or offense meant to non-believers.
Loved the post navibl :)
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Hopefully we are entering a TIME when all things will be clarified. I fear that if Michael is really a messenger of God and that he has as a mission to restore true faith in God and reverberate the Gospel in the world, a lot of people will not believe, believers included. This is my fear. But well we just have to read the scriptures to understand, the scenario seems to always be the same, it is more subtle I would say nowadays because with all the information available the devil had to find tricks to make people deviate from the right/straight path. Well I am still not sure about Michael's mission... so I will just stop here :D God bless you all.
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Thank you Souza for that reply. Makes more sense. I just have a question if you are willing to answer about what sponge "Bob" did say about religion. Is it correct?
I forget to mention that. 'Bob' said, and I quote: "God doesn't need man in dresses" or something in that order, I can't check it now since I am at work. So 'Bob' does believe in God, yet thinks religion is a way to control people. Which I agree with when you look at all the wars that happened due to religion. If you link 'Bob' to TS and TS to Tim Simkins of the http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org) website, you will see that that is also what Tim Simkins says, that many religious leaders do not preach the truth about the Bible and that you should think and study for yourself to find the truth.
I am not religious, but I have said many times I believe there is 'something' that is guiding us. If people call that 'God', then yes, I believe in God. Religion is something man-made and it's purpose is to restrict people from living their lives fully. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want and we don't need religious leaders who tell us what we should or shouldn't do. Mankind is by nature good, other men make some people evil. It's like with animals. Every animal is good by nature, but if you try hard enough and condition them the wrong way, they can become false. You can also contition them in a good way. My dog listens to me, but is not false and has a great life. My parents 'conditioned' me, but in a good way. They taught me to become a good person and have respect to other people, animals and nature. This is not a mind fuck or mind control, it's guiding someone to become a good person.
I would have to most definitely agree with Mr. Simkins that many religious leaders do not preach biblical truth. Most tend to give man's interpretation of the bible rather than what the Holy Spirit leads and guides to teach. Jesus said that when he returned to the Father after he raised from the dead, that he would send the comforter, the Holy Spirit, to lead and guide into ALL understanding. In Christ's time there were NO religions. There were only Jew and Gentiles. Jews believed in God, Gentiles had never heard of him. Jews in Jesus’ day were the ones who didn't believe that he was the son of God. The ones who changed their belief after Christ died, were known as Christian Jews, as they are today. Traditional Jews still are looking for the Messiah. So Christianity was not a religion.
Christians were believers and followers of Christ; they had a relationship with him and in turn with his heavenly father. We Love and listen to Michael and try as best we can to live what he taught, is the Army of LOVE a religion? Heaven forbid. Religion is about theorists with opinions about Christ and Gods word. We as human beings screw up terribly when we try to do God’s job for him. If we could create a world of peace all by ourselves, wouldn’t we already have done so. I mean just how many years has man been alive on the earth destroying one another. I believe since Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve’s sons. What are we waiting for? So I would certainly have to believe that there has to be divine intervention. From where I sit it doesn’t look like we will make such progress on our own. In fact it looks everyday as if we move closer to annihilating ourselves. However God will not allow that to happen. The bible says that if we destroy God’s creation he will destroy us, speaking of the persons responsible for such destruction.
Gentiles however were more receptive of Jesus because they had no preconceived notion of who the Messiah was suppose to be or even that he was coming. They heard him speak and saw the miracle's that he did and they believed, pure and simple. It's was a simple message, about LOVE and the characteristics of Love. But in Jesus’ eyes they were all the same, he had not respect of one person over another. Religions were not formed until after Christ's time. It was then that man tried to take what Jesus had brought to the world and put a twist on it to suite their own tastes and what they could live with and live by. They toss aside things that make them feel uncomfortable, regardless of it being Truth or not.
That is why there are so many different religions. Many chose not to acknowledge Jesus at all. Some religions heard the story of Jesus but he had been given another name because of translations. The one ultimately responsible for this confusion over religion is Satan. He has always found a way to get in and convolute anything God did. Satan can imitate anything God does. He can even pose as a messenger of Light. It is up to us to be lead by the Holy Spirit to understand the difference.
Anyone who has just the slightest desire to know and understand the truth will be guided to that understanding. Because there are no versions of Truth, if there were, it would not be truth. Truth is absolute, not variable. Opinions are variable. The best way to look at it is to look at the wind. Wind can’t be seen so does that mean it doesn’t exist? Wind causes movement, is that a fact or an opinion? It can’t be both. Wind causes movement is TRUTH period.
Should we not believe in the wind because we can’t see it and because we don’t like the ill effects of it sometimes? Because it can cause destruction. Getting mad at the wind and saying there is no such thing doesn’t change the wind . Who created wind? It didn’t evolve from something. The bible says we know not were it comes from or where it goes. So who decides? Man can’t make that choice. Is the wind a living thing with a mind of it’s own? How does it decide where to circulate?
I think Mr. Simkins has a very valid point!! IMHO….With LOVE!!!
No judgment or offense meant to non-believers.
Love your post navibl! :D
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Well, well and another well. So this thread has proven to the most excitment my little brain has had in along time !!!!
So it DOES take two to tango so I suggest we put on a newer, faster song and all dance by yourselves for a moment. That way no one steps on anothers toes and you do not have to lead OR follow !!!
Get my Drift ? Fast songs and dancing by yourselves allows you to make up your own steps and to move to the rythm however you like.
I have been here from the beginning and I have kept my opinions to myself about theories, TS, Elvis, MJ being likened to Jesus and who knows what about who and who has inside info and who is really who.
I just read and filter with my little brain. What I like goes in what I don't get or don't like goes out.
In the end it does not matter where info comes from, just that it is good and well researched info.
Dance to the fast dances people and make up your own steps and your own rhythm. " And the beat goes on....and the beat goes on." Just my opinion
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Well, well and another well. So this thread has proven to the most excitment my little brain has had in along time !!!!
So it DOES take two to tango so I suggest we put on a newer, faster song and all dance by yourselves for a moment. That way no one steps on anothers toes and you do not have to lead OR follow !!!
Get my Drift ? Fast songs and dancing by yourselves allows you to make up your own steps and to move to the rythm however you like.
I have been here from the beginning and I have kept my opinions to myself about theories, TS, Elvis, MJ being likened to Jesus and who knows what about who and who has inside info and who is really who.
I just read and filter with my little brain. What I like goes in what I don't get or don't like goes out.
In the end it does not matter where info comes from, just that it is good and well researched info.
Dance to the fast dances people and make up your own steps and your own rhythm. " And the beat goes on....and the beat goes on." Just my opinion
Well said, ;) The beat goes on. :D
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As much as I dislike the "war" going on here I dislike the continuance of spreading half truths, especially when several members have clearly stated that they most certainly do not appreciate this. Therefore I have no other choice but to address the new half truth that appeared in this thread yesterday, together with pointing out the twisting of words, assumptions and distractions. I want the truth out here, based on facts, instead of assumptions because "they make more sense". I'm not attacking people, I'm just setting the records straight.
I will try to keep this as short as possible, because I have noticed that many people don't even bother to read long posts and instead prefer to rely on other people's replies which often are biased and based on misinterpreting.
The complete honest truth about the thisisalmostit twitter account according to Souza is again a half truth. The intentions as Souza described them in her reply to Wizz were not what her plan was, there never has been talk about her having the intention to run it shortly and then reveal who was behind it to prove to the fans how easy it was to deceive people. Had that been the case, then the objections Wizz and I made to her idea would have had no ground. Wizz never took advantage of anyone, he just tweeted his OWN thoughts and ideas. It's not that Souza didn't agree with it because "it was deceiving members for making believe that our and their theories were the truth". Souza FULLY supported thisisalmostit until non members of MJDHI started suspecting that SHE was running this account. That is when she started saying: Although his tweets and ideas are very good, I don't like it that people suspect I'm behind it. I told her many times: People suspect you are running TIAI and think you are TS as well, but since this is no more true than you running thisisalmost it, I don't see the problem. She didn't ask Wizz to reveal himself, she just wanted him to stop tweeting and at one point she even forbid him to tweet from that account, because she wanted the suspicion to be taken away from her.
Wizz started tweeting again a couple of weeks ago because
a) he missed the feedback and interaction he got from that account and
b) Souza has no right forbidding him to tweet.
That is when a dirty game started. Behind the curtain Souza started telling people that "The thisisalmostit twitter is run by a friend of Mo's" and that "she doesn't approve of what the person behind thisisalmostit is doing but feels her hands are tied to publicly speak out" without telling who's idea it originally was and without telling that she did approve it for a long time. And yes, I have proof of what I stated here.
THAT is the complete honest truth about the thisisalmostit twitter account, nothing more and nothing less.
On with the rest:
- I never said I distance myself from the blogs we wrote, nor did I say I reject the blogs we wrote. I simply pointed out what caused us to write these blogs and who's ideas they were based upon. My words were again twisted.
- I haven't written a theory, I have stated facts. Since I didn't present a theory, I don't have to present arguments to support the facts I stated.
- Souza's replies clearly show that elaborating publicly on our personal disagreements is more important to her than the FACTS I presented. By stating her personal views and assumptions on our disagreements people are again led to think into a certain direction.
- I have tried to settle this matter privately several times, even by calling in Badkolo's help to mediate as he is a co-owner of MJDHI as well. Unfortunately all my attempts failed. Besides Skype and MSN there are other ways to contact me such as PM or giving me a phone call, but Souza choose to take this to the boards while spreading lies about me to other members behind the curtain. I have seen replies by members she is in touch with which shocked me deeply and clearly show a very dirty game is played. She is the one who started blocking me, not the other way around. And yes, I have proof of this as well.
- I'm accused of manipulating the members by telling the truth and my integrity again is questioned. I wonder what is more manipulative and not upright: Coming forward with the truth to all our members or keep hiding the truth and continuing to support an anonymous person?
- I'm accused of attacking Souza by bringing this info into the open, but clearly people don't realize that by doing that I'm also attacking myself. I myself have hidden these facts for a year as well, so I'm as much "guilty as charged" as she is.
- It's striking that time after time conveniently FACTS are ignored while unimportant and totally irrelevant issues are being addressed extendedly. To me this clearly shows that to some people it's important to distract the attention from what I have written and it's of their utmost importance to discredit me. When realizing certain things might come to light that will prove things are indeed twisted and the truth is still being hidden all of a sudden it's suggested "to take this private, instead of causing another war on the forum".
- As to what Bob said about religion and Bob's quote about it - here's his FULL quote: "religion IS a brainwash.. God don't need no men in dresses baby".
- Another big difference between 'Bob' and TS is the subject of multicontextual research. It was 'Bob' who introduced me to multicontextual research last December, but after I pointed out to multicontextual research regarding matters surrounding MJ's 'death' TS merely dismisses this by saying "You will find connections which are merely coincidence, because you are browsing through an almost endless sea (multi-contextual research) of opportunities for a coincidence."
- As to "what makes more sense" - it doesn't make sense at all to base your opinion on another person's personal assumptions, interpretations and accusations while FACTS are being presented. Instead of letting yourself being led to think into a certain direction, you should think for yourself.
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Dearest Souza and Mo....it saddens me to see things between you both are so horrible.
I remember the days on the old MJHD when you two were the best of friends and danced around your living rooms after having discovered something that made you both so very excited. At one time I wondered if you were sisters your ideas were that close. I remember the both of you together pouring your hearts and souls into researching ideas you both had and spending sooo much time posting these ideas and always backing up what you had to say. And you did this together.
I remember you were two of the most passionate people on the board regarding this hoax and went so far as to create this forum because you were so afraid everything would be gone and you would lose all your freinds when the other forum went down for a day or 2 and then you kept this here.
I remember when all hell broke loose with some of your theories and with other members and you defended each other like you were family. I don't know what really happened but it saddens me to see you like this with each other.
I also remember when you used to do interviews - together- like one voice.
It really upsets me and I hope that perhaps this post can help you see how you both were in the beginning and take some time away and perhaps talk, things have been said and the hurt may be too deep but try for 1 minute to remember how you were in the beginning. So fresh, so excited, so exuberant, so full of ideas so ready to take on this HOAX together.
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As much as I dislike the "war" going on here I dislike the continuance of spreading half truths, especially when several members have clearly stated that they most certainly do not appreciate this. Therefore I have no other choice but to address the new half truth that appeared in this thread yesterday, together with pointing out the twisting of words, assumptions and distractions. I want the truth out here, based on facts, instead of assumptions because "they make more sense". I'm not attacking people, I'm just setting the records straight.
I will try to keep this as short as possible, because I have noticed that many people don't even bother to read long posts and instead prefer to rely on other people's replies which often are biased and based on misinterpreting.
The complete honest truth about the thisisalmostit twitter account according to Souza is again a half truth. The intentions as Souza described them in her reply to Wizz were not what her plan was, there never has been talk about her having the intention to run it shortly and then reveal who was behind it to prove to the fans how easy it was to deceive people. Had that been the case, then the objections Wizz and I made to her idea would have had no ground. Wizz never took advantage of anyone, he just tweeted his OWN thoughts and ideas. It's not that Souza didn't agree with it because "it was deceiving members for making believe that our and their theories were the truth". Souza FULLY supported thisisalmostit until non members of MJDHI started suspecting that SHE was running this account. That is when she started saying: Although his tweets and ideas are very good, I don't like it that people suspect I'm behind it. I told her many times: People suspect you are running TIAI and think you are TS as well, but since this is no more true than you running thisisalmost it, I don't see the problem. She didn't ask Wizz to reveal himself, she just wanted him to stop tweeting and at one point she even forbid him to tweet from that account, because she wanted the suspicion to be taken away from her.
Wizz started tweeting again a couple of weeks ago because
a) he missed the feedback and interaction he got from that account and
b) Souza has no right forbidding him to tweet.
That is when a dirty game started. Behind the curtain Souza started telling people that "The thisisalmostit twitter is run by a friend of Mo's" and that "she doesn't approve of what the person behind thisisalmostit is doing but feels her hands are tied to publicly speak out" without telling who's idea it originally was and without telling that she did approve it for a long time. And yes, I have proof of what I stated here.
THAT is the complete honest truth about the thisisalmostit twitter account, nothing more and nothing less.
On with the rest:
- I never said I distance myself from the blogs we wrote, nor did I say I reject the blogs we wrote. I simply pointed out what caused us to write these blogs and who's ideas they were based upon. My words were again twisted.
- I haven't written a theory, I have stated facts. Since I didn't present a theory, I don't have to present arguments to support the facts I stated.
- Souza's replies clearly show that elaborating publicly on our personal disagreements is more important to her than the FACTS I presented. By stating her personal views and assumptions on our disagreements people are again led to think into a certain direction.
- I have tried to settle this matter privately several times, even by calling in Badkolo's help to mediate as he is a co-owner of MJDHI as well. Unfortunately all my attempts failed. Besides Skype and MSN there are other ways to contact me such as PM or giving me a phone call, but Souza choose to take this to the boards while spreading lies about me to other members behind the curtain. I have seen replies by members she is in touch with which shocked me deeply and clearly show a very dirty game is played. She is the one who started blocking me, not the other way around. And yes, I have proof of this as well.
- I'm accused of manipulating the members by telling the truth and my integrity again is questioned. I wonder what is more manipulative and not upright: Coming forward with the truth to all our members or keep hiding the truth and continuing to support an anonymous person?
- I'm accused of attacking Souza by bringing this info into the open, but clearly people don't realize that by doing that I'm also attacking myself. I myself have hidden these facts for a year as well, so I'm as much "guilty as charged" as she is.
- It's striking that time after time conveniently FACTS are ignored while unimportant and totally irrelevant issues are being addressed extendedly. To me this clearly shows that to some people it's important to distract the attention from what I have written and it's of their utmost importance to discredit me. When realizing certain things might come to light that will prove things are indeed twisted and the truth is still being hidden all of a sudden it's suggested "to take this private, instead of causing another war on the forum".
- As to what Bob said about religion and Bob's quote about it - here's his FULL quote: "religion IS a brainwash.. God don't need no men in dresses baby".
- Another big difference between 'Bob' and TS is the subject of multicontextual research. It was 'Bob' who introduced me to multicontextual research last December, but after I pointed out to multicontextual research regarding matters surrounding MJ's 'death' TS merely dismisses this by saying "You will find connections which are merely coincidence, because you are browsing through an almost endless sea (multi-contextual research) of opportunities for a coincidence."
- As to "what makes more sense" - it doesn't make sense at all to base your opinion on another person's personal assumptions, interpretations and accusations while FACTS are being presented. Instead of letting yourself being led to think into a certain direction, you should think for yourself.
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All I will reply to this is this, and then I am done with this whole thing and your lies and betrayal, is that this is the lowest you could have done and although I am not really surprised about it, I am disappointed. Not only are you lying about many things, but you also seem to want this war to continue. I am not going to do that and I hope the members will understand that I will not go into detail about this again. People are able to make up their minds and it's up to them who to believe. I don't feel the urge to defend myself anymore. I know who I am and I know what I said and that is enough for me.
Whatever more you have to say about me, please do so as you desire, but I am ending this right here because there are really many more important issues in the world and your accusations don't effect me anymore.
If you think you are helping the board and the members by discrediting me in whatever way, eat your heart out. I won't reply anymore, not even if it's the biggest lie on earth. I am done defending myself and I am continuing my own investigation and administrating this board.
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LovelyLurker wrote:
Dearest Souza and Mo....it saddens me to see things between you both are so horrible.
I remember the days on the old MJHD when you two were the best of friends and danced around your living rooms after having discovered something that made you both so very excited. At one time I wondered if you were sisters your ideas were that close. I remember the both of you together pouring your hearts and souls into researching ideas you both had and spending sooo much time posting these ideas and always backing up what you had to say. And you did this together.
I remember you were two of the most passionate people on the board regarding this hoax and went so far as to create this forum because you were so afraid everything would be gone and you would lose all your freinds when the other forum went down for a day or 2 and then you kept this here.
I remember when all hell broke loose with some of your theories and with other members and you defended each other like you were family. I don't know what really happened but it saddens me to see you like this with each other.
I also remember when you used to do interviews - together- like one voice.
It really upsets me and I hope that perhaps this post can help you see how you both were in the beginning and take some time away and perhaps talk, things have been said and the hurt may be too deep but try for 1 minute to remember how you were in the beginning. So fresh, so excited, so exuberant, so full of ideas so ready to take on this HOAX together.
You are right, and my question is, is going to continue this forum with this situation among managers?
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You are right, and my question is, is going to continue this forum with this situation among managers?
I got you one in case all happens to be a psycho prank :lol:
(http://ideas.me.uk/wp-content/themes/shopperpress/thumbs/bad-guy-voodoo-doll.jpg)
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Glad to hear you're done with this Souza. I've said what I had to say. Now I'm done with this as well, I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
Back to my very interesting investigations now. As soon as I have new outcomes I will post them so everyone can make up his own mind, and maybe we can discuss some of these interesting subjects all together again.
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I speak for myself only. But it's difficult to believe that after everything that's been said and not said, that this forum can go on as usual and certainly not as before the "TIAI update #6.5. At a minimum, the credibility of the site has been damaged but more than that I question the ability of the moderators to lead any kind of meaningful exchange of ideas or investigation.
Maybe it's time to regroup. I don't know what that looks like but I think we are all being naive if we think that this hasn't changed things.
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Perhaps someone can help me out since this has all become so gray and bleak.
So, if there are insiders involved who are they? Is TS a known insider? If so, why can one not reveal his identity?
Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
I see this post totally got skipped over....wonder why? I have not spoken my opinions about anything in over a week because I didn't want to get into this mess any farther. But after reading all the controversy....about the deceit bestowed upon us from some members of this forum...I'm just curious as to your answers to the above post by MichaelSupporter....We were told time and again that these user names were trolls and were harm to us with lies and deceit....but yet this statement was made about KeyboardWizz by Mo..."Wizz started tweeting again a couple of weeks ago because
a) he missed the feedback and interaction he got from that account"[/b]....isn't this the same thing we were told about all the above mentioned user names...that they were seeking too much attention and were keeping us from our mission of this hoax? Hmmm...sounds like the "pot calling the kettle black" to me! We were told many times to not believe some on this forum blindly as they meant harm to us...then we find out we have been mislead from the very beginning by the same concept we have been told to avoid.
I have always taken in all information and processed what made sense to me and went on. I never put my faith all in one basket, and that's the way I will continue to travel on this train...as others have said... I do believe Michael is Alive and that is what brought me here. I have been so grateful and blessed to have traveled this journey with others that share the same LOVE for Michael as myself. I just PRAY that someday real SOON we can go back to the "Army of LOVE" and continue this mission with RESPECT, LOVE, and COMPASSION for our fellow MJ Family!
LOVE & Blessings to all of you....lets stop the madness and continue on our journey in unison and harmony in the name of LOVE for Michael!!
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Back to my very interesting investigations now. As soon as I have new outcomes I will post them so everyone can make up his own mind, and maybe we can discuss some of these interesting subjects all together again.
AMEN!!!
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Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
I toally missed this very interesting post. And I agree, the decadency is about to be faced.
Regarding other members, I don´t know about Call of the Wild or Tumic Shason (the last one made some jokes, that´s all i remember) but when came to Poetry in Motion it has been already discussed and sealed. His "modus operandi" was predictible and the outcome of his actions would not have been fun at the end.
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Where is the love y'all? :(
[youtube:1dl4bpgm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpYeekQkAdc[/youtube:1dl4bpgm]
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Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
I can assure you that I was none of those usernames.
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I speak for myself only. But it's difficult to believe that after everything that's been said and not said, that this forum can go on as usual and certainly not as before the "TIAI update #6.5. At a minimum, the credibility of the site has been damaged but more than that I question the ability of the moderators to lead any kind of meaningful exchange of ideas or investigation.
Maybe it's time to regroup. I don't know what that looks like but I think we are all being naive if we think that this hasn't changed things.
Even if I think that you are correct about what you just expressed, I can see that there is a way to "go back to point 0" , just to take one step back, admit wrong doings/ give an apology, learn from it and go on to the next level, moving on.
At the end, we are just "only humans" and don´t know at times how to deal with some situations. This happens every day and in every circumstance. We are evolved in a learning process all the time.
Accepting out mistakes it´s not that difficult ;)
One can´t do better if does not know better yet one must face any wrong doing, intentionally or not.
At times, good intentions get out of hand for the lack of knowledge and or experience in the field or matter.
Also, there is a difference between playing with people for the sake of it, or playing with people in order to open up their eyes. Non of the ways mentioned I support, non. But still, I take one step back and try to "find out" the reason of "how come".
All will depend on how is presented at the end, with a constructive or destructive critic.
I already witness one "so called experiment" over the intenet which i would loudly call a botched job with all the letters, and I hope that any member feeling being "pranked" try to do some research over internet and read blogs already written about their experience regaring those so called "opening eyes experiments".
We do participate here because we want to and surely all we read, all, must be taken with a pinch of salt.
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... I want the truth out here, based on facts, instead of assumptions because "they make more sense". I'm not attacking people, I'm just setting the records straight. ...
Souza FULLY supported thisisalmostit until non members of MJDHI started suspecting that SHE was running this account. That is when she started saying: Although his tweets and ideas are very good, I don't like it that people suspect I'm behind it. I told her many times: People suspect you are running TIAI and think you are TS as well, but since this is no more true than you running thisisalmost it, I don't see the problem. She didn't ask Wizz to reveal himself, she just wanted him to stop tweeting and at one point she even forbid him to tweet from that account, because she wanted the suspicion to be taken away from her...
:| :?: :|
I wonder why TS is sure to be 'male', is there any proof of that if he is anonymous? Or have I missed something here? :?
TS - and Admin (Souza): Who likes whose writing style, by using the expression "Nuff said"? An idiom seldom used, or am I mistaken again? :?
Well, well, I tended to think, Elvis and his crew maybe (wishful thinking, I know :mrgreen: ) - because of all this numerology stuff and the Elvis-connection - were behind it, rather than a MJ-team, but now I am not so sure anymore, what to think ...
Anything is possible, either good or bad, who knows if we (made 'sheeple' by intent??) shall ever find out the truth?
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I don't think there is any doubt about it now.. clearly Souza is SEHF.
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I don't think there is any doubt about it now.. clearly Souza is SEHF.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol:
Time for confession:
I said it many times, I am Beyoncé :) all the single ladies all the single ladies...
and also Michael.....chamone, have you seen my childhood?, who´s bad? 8-)
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I don't think there is any doubt about it now.. clearly Souza is SEHF.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I know that many members including me wondered why two non-fans created a hoax forum at the beginning. And why would they make all those researches about a man who they were not a fan of. The explanation of "Couldn't we appreciate the man and research about his "death"" statement that the admins did was never convincing. I personally even thought if the admins were paid to create this hoax forum for some goals. After Mo's confession, we understand that someone showed them what to research and gave them the clues. What I'm trying to say is, I've always known there was something else going on behind the curtain but I still chose to be here. It was my decision to stay here. So I have no right to blame the admins about why they did this or why they didn't tell us. Whatever they did or whatever TS did with whatever intentions, can we ignore the progress we made? This place became home to me and you guys became family to me and all together we searched a lot, we learned a lot. Aren't we still sure that MJ is alive? I'm 100% sure of that. Can we ignore how interesting TS' posts and Souza and Mo's blogs are? Didn't we learn anything from them all? All of the updates that TS made, all of the blogs Souza and Mo made with the help of Bob, every single member who made a research and posted the information here, all of these added a brick to our wall of the hoax investigation. We all earned because we all learned somethings. Does it matter where the information comes from? It can come from me, or from TS or from Souza-Mo, or can be anyone. The information we gained is important. It's in your hands to choose which of the information you should believe. If it doesn't make sense to you, you should skip that info. So I find it very harsh to see people blame TS for brainwashing them. Nobody urged you to read TS' posts, nobody urged you to believe what TS says, nobody urged you to believe anything. It was YOU who chose to read the posts. It was YOU who chose to believe them. So it is all YOUR fault if you feel brainwashed or deceived afterall. You don't have the right to play the victim role. I never ever felt sorry or brainwashed for believing in TS. As I wrote before, even if TS is not an insider, I'm still thankful to him for giving us very interesting information. I learned A LOT from his posts. His statements always made perfect sense to me including the numerology and all. If I could find any other theory or explanation that made more sense to me, I would of course choose to believe in that but it didn't happen.
After this, there's one thing that we all should do. With all of the information we had, we should keep on investigating. Accusing each other like 'why you believed TS, why you didn't believe TS, why you think this is a fact but it is not a fact' kind of debates is not going to bring us somewhere. And I do hope that the discussion btw the admins ended too because it is really not nice to make the arguments in front of all the members. If I need to say my personal opinion about their discussion, I'm not on any of their sides but if I was the admin here and if someone came to me and told me to keep him as a secret and started to give me info, I would keep it to myself till the end. If I didn't feel myself comfortable with hiding things from the members, I would oppose to the idea and would never ever get into this. If I was going to tell the things that are happening behind the curtain, I would have told them from the beginning or kept them to myself forever. I wouldn't spill the beans when I argued with the other admin of the forum. If I agreed to be in this behind the curtain issue from the beginning, I should have kept it to myself whatever happenes btw me and the other admin or mods. It looks like a snitch. Yes, I would have also snitched myself with it but I would be snitching the other admin without her consent, and this is something that both of us involved, and it could be told to everyone with both of our consents. The admins should have sticked together about this behind the curtain issue whatever discussion they had. But this is my humble opinion for sure. And people are free to think differently.
Past is past. We need to focus on the Future! So let's forget all of the discussions we had and let's open a new page and continue to make our investigation. We will find the truth sooner or later. Patience and Faith.
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I don't care about any of this but what I really don't appreciate is being repeatedly fed an elaborate lie to cover one's ass and being expected to like it.
I mean that lie is so bad it's an insult to my intelligence. "It wasn't me (us)! It was her! It was her idea! She made me (us) do it!" I (we) didn't want to deceive people, I (we) just enjoyed the interaction of deceiving people. Even though it was my (his) fingers typing out the Tweets it was truly she who was the evil master mind behind the whole thing..."
Oh come on.
Just own up and close the account. Be responsible. You did wrong. Now stop doing it if you're so pure of heart, Mo.
And frankly a public apology is in order. AND the thread about thisisalmostit.com on this forum should have a disclaimer posted on it that it's a FAKE run by a friend of ADMIN's.
Otherwise, yes, as someone already stated, it is complete hypocrisy.
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I don't care about any of this but what I really don't appreciate is being repeatedly fed an elaborate lie to cover one's ass and being expected to like it.
I mean that lie is so bad it's an insult to my intelligence. "It wasn't me (us)! It was her! It was her idea! She made me (us) do it!" I (we) didn't want to deceive people, I (we) just enjoyed the interaction of deceiving people. Even though it was my (his) fingers typing out the Tweets it was truly she who was the evil master mind behind the whole thing..."
Oh come on.
Just own up and close the account. Be responsible. You did wrong. Now stop doing it if you're so pure of heart, Mo.
And frankly a public apology is in order. AND the thread about thisisalmostit.com on this forum should have a disclaimer posted on it that it's a FAKE run by a friend of ADMIN's.
Otherwise, yes, as someone already stated, it is complete hypocrisy.
Amen to that. Good lord this is ridiculous.
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I don't care about any of this but what I really don't appreciate is being repeatedly fed an elaborate lie to cover one's ass and being expected to like it.
I mean that lie is so bad it's an insult to my intelligence. "It wasn't me (us)! It was her! It was her idea! She made me (us) do it!" I (we) didn't want to deceive people, I (we) just enjoyed the interaction of deceiving people. Even though it was my (his) fingers typing out the Tweets it was truly she who was the evil master mind behind the whole thing..."
Oh come on.
Just own up and close the account. Be responsible. You did wrong. Now stop doing it if you're so pure of heart, Mo.
And frankly a public apology is in order. AND the thread about thisisalmostit.com on this forum should have a disclaimer posted on it that it's a FAKE run by a friend of ADMIN's.
Otherwise, yes, as someone already stated, it is complete hypocrisy.
Amen to that. Good lord this is ridiculous.
I have to say I agree. I am not pointing fingers as good lord only knows what the truth is...but whoever has been messing with us should come forward and fess up to everything, not just the bits that make other people look bad. Enough is enough.
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Ok so I think we have reached a point where it has all been said right ;) Is there really any point in continuing to point score :idea: :roll:
WHERE IS THE L.O.V.E. in the forum, this is so sad :roll:
Michael would be so disappointed we are a family and MJ'S ARMY OF LOVE who are now so distracted by this nonsence that somone could sneek up and BITE YOU ON THE BUM and you would not notice them AT ALL! :shock:
There should be no discenting in the ranks of the ARMY OF LOVE, we need to be ready when the time comes all this squabbling is pointless, we all have our own opinions, we all think for ourselves so just agree to disagree and move on.
This update started off positive and has become a shambles! :roll:
I love you all guys we should be united, united we stand divided we fall.
PEACE and blessings to all.
L.O.V.E.
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:lol:
Time for confession:
I said it many times, I am Beyoncé :) all the single ladies all the single ladies...
and also Michael.....chamone, have you seen my childhood?, who´s bad? 8-)
You are very naughty and clearly love the controversy, shall I get you a wooden spoon? :roll:
I am Santa Claus and if you dont behave all your Christmas presents will turn to coal!
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Yeah....
Still non the wiser.
LOL.
All I am seeing when I scan these posts is 'your lying,no your lying, no your lying,he said she said bullshit,people decieving other people,more lying,people hiding behind laptop screens...and er.......lots of falling out.
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So ..... are we still in agreement that MJ is alive?
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So ..... are we still in agreement that MJ is alive?
Well I am!
Maybe we should do a poll... :?: :lol:
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Just wanted to be clear about why we are all here that's all.
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TS, first, my apologies for being so extremely late in commenting on your new post, which is great btw. Work is crazy this time of year (I deliver "snail mail" and volume is through the roof!). Athough I haven't been able to read much on the forum, my prayers have been going up for the entire family since last week. (Didn't really know why, but when the H.S. puts a burden on me for anyone, I just do it, no questions asked.) :)
The enemy is not indifferent to us. We are on his radar. And that in some ways is a good sign. It means we are a threat to him, we are interfering with his plans, and he quickly steps in with his tried and true, centuries old strategy....Division. First step in dealing with this is recognizing the enemy, and it is not our forum family members, thank God. So, long story short, I continue to pray for unity, I speak peace unto this precious bunch of lovable, diverse hearts and declare we will stand together and see this through to the end. I LOVE everyone of you with my whole heart and I'm encouraging you to lay aside this weight of division and walk in freedom.
Thank you my Sweet Jesus that some really do see the forrest in the middle of the trees. And yes Angel it absolutely does take guidance from H.S. I am so glad you allow him to lead. I think he has his way of infiltration, as I just wittnessed in a very personal way my self this morning. Michael was in heavy discussion of this very topic of H.S. two weeks before he left with Jerkins and Crouch and had actually allowed him to operate in his life. He knew what it was going to take to make this happen.
Thank God that he works miracles regardless of doubt by so many. Even God's children can doubt his power at times in certain circumstances, but I personally have seen to much to ever doubt, and today was the icing on the cake!! "To late to turn back now, I believe I believe I believe I believe I have fallen in LOVE." Verse of an old song that I won't tell how old, I'm sure Michael knows it.
A LOVE Letter from God, straight from his word...
http://www.youtube.com/user/ASKBB#p/u/17/BKmdIdQg3Ks (http://www.youtube.com/user/ASKBB#p/u/17/BKmdIdQg3Ks)
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bec wrote:
I don't care about any of this but what I really don't appreciate is being repeatedly fed an elaborate lie to cover one's ass and being expected to like it.
I mean that lie is so bad it's an insult to my intelligence. "It wasn't me (us)! It was her! It was her idea! She made me (us) do it!" I (we) didn't want to deceive people, I (we) just enjoyed the interaction of deceiving people. Even though it was my (his) fingers typing out the Tweets it was truly she who was the evil master mind behind the whole thing..."
Oh come on.
Just own up and close the account. Be responsible. You did wrong. Now stop doing it if you're so pure of heart, Mo.
And frankly a public apology is in order. AND the thread about thisisalmostit.com on this forum should have a disclaimer posted on it that it's a FAKE run by a friend of ADMIN's.
Otherwise, yes, as someone already stated, it is complete hypocrisy.
If this is true and what is worse Tweets this comes from the managers or someone close to the administrative and practical with their blessing, nooo people are supposed to be serious and this is a serious site, they always are reminding people about to repeat that should prevail in this forum, what would happen if all these discussions among administrators not give?, we would have heard of this? .. an experiment to see how easy it is deceiving people on the Internet, of course that's very easy to do and more is at stake when the emotions of people.
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I love Kumbaya as much as the next person, but "bec" is correct here. You have to clear the air. You can't expect people to shove this under the rug under the guise of "love" and then expect to fully participate or believe in what's being said on this site. The trust has been broken and I think the only way back is "truth." It's no different than any other relationship. I totally understand the biblical "love" thing, but there's also truth...the two have to coexist...along with their close cousin "respect." I'm not seeing any of that right now.
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What's going to happen when Michael comes back? Will accusations not be flying at him that he was lying and deceiving people, causing much grief and misconceptions and confusion. Knowing and believing MJ is alive means that there may have been tens or even hundreds of people lying and deceiving us and billions of people around the globe. Will they come 100% clean on all the details and apologize? This is just a taste, but when MJ arises ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE! Someone just said that no one has forced us to be here to examine the possibility that Michael hoaxed/faked/lied about his death. The thing is, is that one lie will never suffice, lies upon lies must be added to verify the first lie, and lying circles grow exponentially. This situation here on this forum is a tricky situation. The real whole truth might reveal more than we wanted to know, and in fact may be precarious to life of this forum, that is what I'm afraid of. I believe truth will reveal itself when it is time. I have always had my private thoughts about the hasty birth of this site after the sudden death of the other one. Connections, connections. I say let Michael reveal himself as he wishes, let the admins reveal as they wish. But let it all be done in respect. This all made me think of this old Veggie tale movie. And I truly love you all as my MJ family.
[youtube:m2xa4n9g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMEHNmuAoPE&feature=related[/youtube:m2xa4n9g]
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Perhaps someone can help me out since this has all become so gray and bleak.
So, if there are insiders involved who are they? Is TS a known insider? If so, why can one not reveal his identity?
Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
I see this post totally got skipped over....wonder why? I have not spoken my opinions about anything in over a week because I didn't want to get into this mess any farther. But after reading all the controversy....about the deceit bestowed upon us from some members of this forum...I'm just curious as to your answers to the above post by MichaelSupporter....We were told time and again that these user names were trolls and were harm to us with lies and deceit....but yet this statement was made about KeyboardWizz by Mo..."Wizz started tweeting again a couple of weeks ago because
a) he missed the feedback and interaction he got from that account"[/b]....isn't this the same thing we were told about all the above mentioned user names...that they were seeking too much attention and were keeping us from our mission of this hoax? Hmmm...sounds like the "pot calling the kettle black" to me! We were told many times to not believe some on this forum blindly as they meant harm to us...then we find out we have been mislead from the very beginning by the same concept we have been told to avoid.
I have always taken in all information and processed what made sense to me and went on. I never put my faith all in one basket, and that's the way I will continue to travel on this train...as others have said... I do believe Michael is Alive and that is what brought me here. I have been so grateful and blessed to have traveled this journey with others that share the same LOVE for Michael as myself. I just PRAY that someday real SOON we can go back to the "Army of LOVE" and continue this mission with RESPECT, LOVE, and COMPASSION for our fellow MJ Family!
LOVE & Blessings to all of you....lets stop the madness and continue on our journey in unison and harmony in the name of LOVE for Michael!!
Hmm...no answer to this except for Souza's reply... "I can assure you that I was none of those usernames." Which means what??? that you didn't use those names Souza.... but someone else on this forum did? Or was innocent, kind hearted people forced off this forum because they were taking too much attention away from others that wanted the spot light? Because I still do not understand the reasoning behind them getting kicked off of this forum. And in light of the confessions of late, it really makes me wonder if we weren't lied to about that too. I too am for moving on and trying to restore some repect, LOVE, and peace to this forum. But I also agree others here...everything needs to be confessed and not swept under the rug. We deserve the respect of being told the truth about everything. Just like you have accused the "Trolls" of doing you have messed with peoples minds. And lets not forget that most of us on this forum are adults, but you also have very young teen adults also. Lets set a good example, fess up....so we can get this Army back on the road to LOVE and ready to march when we get our orders!!
LOVE, Blessings, and PEACE to All! :)
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TS, first, my apologies for being so extremely late in commenting on your new post, which is great btw. Work is crazy this time of year (I deliver "snail mail" and volume is through the roof!). Athough I haven't been able to read much on the forum, my prayers have been going up for the entire family since last week. (Didn't really know why, but when the H.S. puts a burden on me for anyone, I just do it, no questions asked.) :)
The enemy is not indifferent to us. We are on his radar. And that in some ways is a good sign. It means we are a threat to him, we are interfering with his plans, and he quickly steps in with his tried and true, centuries old strategy....Division. First step in dealing with this is recognizing the enemy, and it is not our forum family members, thank God. So, long story short, I continue to pray for unity, I speak peace unto this precious bunch of lovable, diverse hearts and declare we will stand together and see this through to the end. I LOVE everyone of you with my whole heart and I'm encouraging you to lay aside this weight of division and walk in freedom.
Thank you my Sweet Jesus that some really do see the forrest in the middle of the trees. And yes Angel it absolutely does take guidance from H.S. I am so glad you allow him to lead. I think he has his way of infiltration, as I just wittnessed in a very personal way my self this morning. Michael was in heavy discussion of this very topic of H.S. two weeks before he left with Jerkins and Crouch and had actually allowed him to operate in his life. He knew what it was going to take to make this happen.
Thank God that he works miracles regardless of doubt by so many. Even God's children can doubt his power at times in certain circumstances, but I personally have seen to much to ever doubt, and today was the icing on the cake!! "To late to turn back now, I believe I believe I believe I believe I have fallen in LOVE." Verse of an old song that I won't tell how old, I'm sure Michael knows it.
A LOVE Letter from God, straight from his word...
http://www.youtube.com/user/ASKBB#p/u/17/BKmdIdQg3Ks (http://www.youtube.com/user/ASKBB#p/u/17/BKmdIdQg3Ks)
I am so happy to have born again - spirit filled - Christian brothers and sister with me on this great journey!
And you have to agree with me that having the H. S. brings a whole new level to this hoax??
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." - John 16:13
With the L.O.V.E.
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What's going to happen when Michael comes back? Will accusations not be flying at him that he was lying and deceiving people, causing much grief and misconceptions and confusion. Knowing and believing MJ is alive means that there may have been tens or even hundreds of people lying and deceiving us and billions of people around the globe. Will they come 100% clean on all the details and apologize? This is just a taste, but when MJ arises ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE! Someone just said that no one has forced us to be here to examine the possibility that Michael hoaxed/faked/lied about his death. The thing is, is that one lie will never suffice, lies upon lies must be added to verify the first lie, and lying circles grow exponentially. This situation here on this forum is a tricky situation. The real whole truth might reveal more than we wanted to know, and in fact may be precarious to life of this forum, that is what I'm afraid of. I believe truth will reveal itself when it is time. I have always had my private thoughts about the hasty birth of this site after the sudden death of the other one. Connections, connections. I say let Michael reveal himself as he wishes, let the admins reveal as they wish. But let it all be done in respect. This all made me think of this old Veggie tale movie. And I truly love you all as my MJ family.
I'm thinking along the same lines, MJonmind. Despite all of the research, we still don't know the TRUTH. And the lies have spiralled out of control, which was inevitable in order for this hoax to happen. And fine, I get that. Michael said he's been lied on his entire life with a lot of people believing the lies simply because it was in print or on tv. So he's proving a point now, among other things. I am kind of confused about this sudden need to expose the behind-the-scenes thing that has been happening on this forum but it makes some sense to me that Mo and Souza would know more than the rest of us - if someone does genuinely have insider info, they are going to contact them, not one of us "regular" members. Or if an admin contacts someone, they are probably more likely to get a response. But is there a point to telling us now that we don't know the whole truth? Are we going to be told the whole truth? I would love for Souza and Mo to write a post together because that would clear the air more than getting two different versions. They both have my respect so I'm definitely willing to hear them out.
I agree that what we're seeing here now is but a small taste of the chaos that will happen when Michael returns. I'm just hoping love will unite us all!
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Guys, can I just say:
I LOVE YOU ALL??? LOVE WILL BRING US FORWARD - ONLY LOVE.
EDIT: After all, THIS is our chance to skip the BS in our lives and move on to a next level :idea:
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I don't care about any of this but what I really don't appreciate is being repeatedly fed an elaborate lie to cover one's ass and being expected to like it.
I mean that lie is so bad it's an insult to my intelligence. "It wasn't me (us)! It was her! It was her idea! She made me (us) do it!" I (we) didn't want to deceive people, I (we) just enjoyed the interaction of deceiving people. Even though it was my (his) fingers typing out the Tweets it was truly she who was the evil master mind behind the whole thing..."
Oh come on.
Just own up and close the account. Be responsible. You did wrong. Now stop doing it if you're so pure of heart, Mo.
And frankly a public apology is in order. AND the thread about thisisalmostit.com on this forum should have a disclaimer posted on it that it's a FAKE run by a friend of ADMIN's.
Otherwise, yes, as someone already stated, it is complete hypocrisy.
Thisisalmosstit never deceived anyone or was intended for deception. On http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net) I was debunked in one post, so you can also call that an insult to the inteligence of my "followers".
I happen to know "someone" informed you almost two weeks ago (you know who) about my twitter account so using the term "hypocrisy" coming from your mouth is very strange......
I and I alone am completely responsible for my own actions, but I keep on replying because I know that "someone" clearly is manipulating members and I hope some people finally understands who is feeding lies to cover their ass .....
The whole truth regarding thisisalmostit came out today, but it seems people here can't handle the truth........
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I would like to dedicate this song to all of you...my beautiful "family"...I LOVE YOU ALL!
[youtube:1svjg9yn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyHsGDXziGc&feature=related[/youtube:1svjg9yn]
LOVE IS THE ANSWER! :P
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I don't care about any of this but what I really don't appreciate is being repeatedly fed an elaborate lie to cover one's ass and being expected to like it.
I mean that lie is so bad it's an insult to my intelligence. "It wasn't me (us)! It was her! It was her idea! She made me (us) do it!" I (we) didn't want to deceive people, I (we) just enjoyed the interaction of deceiving people. Even though it was my (his) fingers typing out the Tweets it was truly she who was the evil master mind behind the whole thing..."
Oh come on.
Just own up and close the account. Be responsible. You did wrong. Now stop doing it if you're so pure of heart, Mo.
And frankly a public apology is in order. AND the thread about thisisalmostit.com on this forum should have a disclaimer posted on it that it's a FAKE run by a friend of ADMIN's.
Otherwise, yes, as someone already stated, it is complete hypocrisy.
Thisisalmosstit never deceived anyone or was intended for deception. On http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net) I was debunked in one post, so you can also call that an insult to the inteligence of my "followers".
I happen to know "someone" informed you almost two weeks ago (you know who) about my twitter account so using the term "hypocrisy" coming from your mouth is very strange......
I and I alone am completely responsible for my own actions, but I keep on replying because I know that "someone" clearly is manipulating members and I hope some people finally understands who is feeding lies to cover their ass .....
The whole truth regarding thisisalmostit came out today, but it seems people here can't handle the truth........
Oh for goodness sake ! you say "someone" is clearly manipulating members and you hope someone finally understands who is feeding lies to cover up.. Just get it over with already and say what you mean. Did i just read somewhere you're 40 ish years old?? Then for goodness sake start acting like it! I don't mean to be rude or harsh here but clearly someone has to have the sense to put this whole mess straight for once and for all!
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I just want to stop the name calling, if you take the effort to read this whole thread, you could make up your own mind .
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I just want to stop the name calling, if you take the effort to read this whole thread, you could make up your own mind .
well thats where you're wrong keyboardwizz. I've read the whole damn thread and all i see is alot of mudslinging between admins,mods and certain members who know stuff others are not privy to. Theres nothing tangible to make my mind up about because its all "he said/she said/she did this/ no she did that/Mo's right/Mo's wrong/no Souza's right/no Souza's wrong etc etc so basically we're not allowed to know the full depth of things because none of the involved are willing to post anything that can't be denied when seen on screen.
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Many of my posts get overlooked. But may I remind you all of TS OP, that we are NOT to lose faith - NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS? TS stressed that sentence with an intensity that made me go 'hmm'. As if TS already knew a grande shake up would emerge soon. I don't know. But you know what? I REALLY DON'T CARE.
And another thing is: isn't it a freakin' awesome chance we are presented here to enter a new dimension, if you will, to put down our PERSONAL conditional upbringing and open us up to ALL POSSIBILITIES that will provide us with true Freedom?
Wether Michael has hoaxed his death or not is really not the point for me anymore - it is what WE DO WITH OUR OWN LIFE. (KO saying '... with him leading the way') Do we want to continue what and how we've lived so far or do we want to grow, which I find wonderful to see how some of the members have stated they experience. I am on my way the same as well.
Stop swimming around in unimportant details and emotions and start looking at the bigger picture! There's nothing to be afraid of and I say this, because I fully agree with Michael when he said that in TII.
This is with all my L.O.V.E. and have a great night.
PS: Yes, I still believe MJ is alive. As Souza said at some point, there is more evidence he's alive than evidence he's dead. That's it for me.
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Exactly. Pointless childish finger-pointing and passing the buck isn't improving anyone's reputation here. Why can't all those involved just admit they are ALL very much IN THE WRONG? Deception and outright lies are bad enough but to not even admit to it without looking to pass blame is just pathetic. Abuse of power pure and simple. Considering how much mind-control and puppeteering is mentioned on this site it would actually be somewhat comical if it wasn't so insulting to our intelligence. This whole site seems to be one big example of how mind-manipulation works.
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Damn trustno1, I wish I had thought of your username! :lol:
That is exactly how I feel right now! I'm sure many do.
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I totally believe Michael is alive, and that is that. As to all the he said, she said, he said she did etc................... dont matter.
All that matters is Michael and the message he is trying to convey which is being lost in all this BS. Sorry guys thats how I see it.
This just feels like things were before October/early November 2009, just before MJHD went down.
I love you all, just hang on in there and keep the faith keep your eyes fixed firmly on the truth about Michael.
What we need is LOVE not hate.
:P
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:lol:
Time for confession:
I said it many times, I am Beyoncé :) all the single ladies all the single ladies...
and also Michael.....chamone, have you seen my childhood?, who´s bad? 8-)
You are very naughty and clearly love the controversy, shall I get you a wooden spoon? :roll:
I am Santa Claus and if you dont behave all your Christmas presents will turn to coal!
:( :( ok Santa. I´ll be a good girl...but just for my presents :twisted:
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All this reminds me of ..... :lol: :lol:
[youtube:34ncjbem]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4lYcN6zEY&feature=related[/youtube:34ncjbem]
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Damn trustno1, I wish I had thought of your username! :lol:
That is exactly how I feel right now! I'm sure many do.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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All this reminds me of ..... :lol: :lol:
[youtube:1sh05e5q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4lYcN6zEY&feature=related[/youtube:1sh05e5q]
hahahahhahhaahahahhaha.....
Who is who? and oh yeah!! who is lyin'?? :lol: :lol:
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Damn trustno1, I wish I had thought of your username! :lol:
That is exactly how I feel right now! I'm sure many do.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
(http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/Suspicious_DXD5FP.gif) <---- some of us from now on
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Well said, trustno1.
I came across a quote today that I find very fitting:
“In war, truth is the first casualty.” - Aeschylus
Truth seems to be the first thing that is lost or concealed. That's true of the hoax and the apparent "war" that took place here. So, I'm neither astonished nor upset.
If this is the Army of L.O.V.E. however, then our enemy isn't fellow Soldiers of L.O.V.E. So, to the guilty parties: Stop waging battles against each other. Stop the trifling "games"/experiments. They only lead to convoluted arguments, an unproductive environment, and tarnished trust. Whomever/whatever the adversary, they don't have to worry: we're destroying ourselves.
The whole truth regarding thisisalmostit came out today, but it seems people here can't handle the truth........
I agree with that too. To relate this back to the opening topic and a comment originally posed by curls, perhaps that's why TS is saying things like "but if it’s easier for you," in other words "if it makes you feel better, believe this or that—although it may not be the truth". TS knows we can't handle the truth; we're behaving immaturely, ungratefully, so why bother redirecting if it's not entirely necessary.
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:lol: Love the suspicious emoticon Gema, I think that will be almost ALL of us from now on!!(Though some of us me included were always like that anyway!). You always find the right emoticon for every occasion...at least some of us haven't lost our sense of humour!
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:lol: Love the suspicious emoticon Gema, I think that will be almost ALL of us from now on!!(Though some of us me included were always like that anyway!). You always find the right emoticon for every occasion...at least some of us haven't lost our sense of humour!
Losing sense of humor? never!!! :D
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All this reminds me of ..... :lol: :lol:
[youtube:3sti0s5r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4lYcN6zEY&feature=related[/youtube:3sti0s5r]
:lol: :lol: :lol: Chris Tucker is the BOMB!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The truth here, the truth there....so many called "truths" are circulating, but at the end it is our responsability who and what to believe ;)
Some "truths" are printed and never seen, others are just words...gone with the wind...
What version of the "truth" makes more sense?
Let´s not forget that this part "revealing of the truth" started by an examination of Eliza´s case.
Once that foundation got shaken, many pieces falled apart and loyalties were broken and taken out in to the light, having a discussion in open forum.
The "truth" in my eyes is, that if MJ is behind "this game" many people will not take it in to account and will just accept it ad be thankful, but if is not MJ at all the one behind this, people are going to get veeeeery angry.
May be that is why the real truth is not coming out yet?
May be that is why we are fed with excuses as "some people can´t handle the truth"?
Please, give me a break :D
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Perhaps someone can help me out since this has all become so gray and bleak.
So, if there are insiders involved who are they? Is TS a known insider? If so, why can one not reveal his identity?
Also, I understand, if I read Souza's earlier post correctly, that she has acted as a poser before. Have you on this forum, Souza? I still question if you are aware of the identities of the following characters, as all left under peculiar circumstances:
Call of the Wild
Poetry in Motion
Tumic Shason
I am sure there are others that are not coming to mind right now.Can you reveal the truth to the identity of any of the characters who were chased from the forum?
You have also alluded to the fact that Michael has been on the forum. Do you know that to be fact? Or, is that an assumption/intuitive feeling?
I cannot help but question the stability of the forum when I see in-fighting, particularly between the administrators. Descension rarely brings about positive results. Is the objective of the forum truly to discover the reasons for the "death" hoax of Michael J. Jackson? Has that now shifted? Or, have you been privy to further information that none of us have? Could the demise of the forum be in-timing with a return? Or, has the ugly head of reality finally been reared, as frustrations have been mounting and we still have yet to come to any concrete answers to our summations. It is human nature to see the fall of any civilization, or community, for that matter, when cohesion is lost.
I see this post totally got skipped over....wonder why? I have not spoken my opinions about anything in over a week because I didn't want to get into this mess any farther. But after reading all the controversy....about the deceit bestowed upon us from some members of this forum...I'm just curious as to your answers to the above post by MichaelSupporter....We were told time and again that these user names were trolls and were harm to us with lies and deceit....but yet this statement was made about KeyboardWizz by Mo..."Wizz started tweeting again a couple of weeks ago because
a) he missed the feedback and interaction he got from that account"[/b]....isn't this the same thing we were told about all the above mentioned user names...that they were seeking too much attention and were keeping us from our mission of this hoax? Hmmm...sounds like the "pot calling the kettle black" to me! We were told many times to not believe some on this forum blindly as they meant harm to us...then we find out we have been mislead from the very beginning by the same concept we have been told to avoid.
I have always taken in all information and processed what made sense to me and went on. I never put my faith all in one basket, and that's the way I will continue to travel on this train...as others have said... I do believe Michael is Alive and that is what brought me here. I have been so grateful and blessed to have traveled this journey with others that share the same LOVE for Michael as myself. I just PRAY that someday real SOON we can go back to the "Army of LOVE" and continue this mission with RESPECT, LOVE, and COMPASSION for our fellow MJ Family!
LOVE & Blessings to all of you....lets stop the madness and continue on our journey in unison and harmony in the name of LOVE for Michael!!
Hmm...no answer to this except for Souza's reply... "I can assure you that I was none of those usernames." Which means what??? that you didn't use those names Souza.... but someone else on this forum did? Or was innocent, kind hearted people forced off this forum because they were taking too much attention away from others that wanted the spot light? Because I still do not understand the reasoning behind them getting kicked off of this forum. And in light of the confessions of late, it really makes me wonder if we weren't lied to about that too. I too am for moving on and trying to restore some repect, LOVE, and peace to this forum. But I also agree others here...everything needs to be confessed and not swept under the rug. We deserve the respect of being told the truth about everything. Just like you have accused the "Trolls" of doing you have messed with peoples minds. And lets not forget that most of us on this forum are adults, but you also have very young teen adults also. Lets set a good example, fess up....so we can get this Army back on the road to LOVE and ready to march when we get our orders!!
LOVE, Blessings, and PEACE to All! :)
Again, I was none of the usernames or any other you might think and I have no idea who they are. What else do you want to hear?
All trolls I banned were either trolls that were pretty behaving on the site, but threatening or annoying people in PM, or acted in a way I didn't approve of. No one was banned just like that. Sometimes I get PM's with complaints from members about certain posters and I get other PM's forwarded, so you guys don't see it all. I don't think it's necessary to give trolls any more attention by making a post why they are banned, I rely on my own judgement.
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Hmm.I think we're one step ahead of this journey.
The worst truth is better than the most elaborate lie. :?
I am glad some of the things turned out to be lies...
I think I will sleep better today.
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All this reminds me of ..... :lol: :lol:
[youtube:3mrw9h2z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4lYcN6zEY&feature=related[/youtube:3mrw9h2z]
:lol: Perfect clip for this,
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If these little fellas can regroup, then so can we with MJ (big duck ;) ) leading the way!
[youtube:zsmhprgz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEBLt6Kd9EY[/youtube:zsmhprgz]
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Great video, @BeTheChange. That's totally US!!! I'm really hoping that we can pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get moving forward as a unit. We are on a mission. And my guess is that there are plenty more wind storms ahead!
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Great video, @BeTheChange. That's totally US!!! I'm really hoping that we can pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get moving forward as a unit. We are on a mission. And my guess is that there are plenty more wind storms ahead!
Ditto! :)
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With all the chaos surrounding us, I'm reminded of the Latin phrase "ordo ab chao" (order out of chaos). I googled it and the website I've quoted came up. When I saw the term "puppetmasters" I thought immediately of an ARG. I've always thought we've been part of one, and now I'm even more convinced. But that's just my slant on it ... I'm groping in the dark like everyone else here. However, I'm optimistic enough to know that we're not destined to spend forever down the Rabbit Hole ... that someone will throw us a torch and all the dark corners will finally be illuminated. The trick is to stay on track and not get distracted by all the "red herrings" thrown in our path. Remember TS told us to keep the faith "no matter what happens". These are testing times and I'm heartened to know that there IS still an Army of Love here, even if we are a bit frazzled around the edges at the moment. Let's stay strong and let LOVE heal the divisions amongst us. It really is the only way we're going to advance.
"All the world's a stage..."~ Shakespeare
STAGED EVENTS
also known as
ORDER OUT OF CHAOS
from the Latin
ORDO AB CHAO
The puppetmasters create "disorder" so the people will demand "order". The price of "order" always entails a handing over of control and loss of freedom on the part of the citizenry. Out of "chaos" comes "order" - THEIR order.
The trick of creating chaos and then seizing power under the pretense of putting things back in order is a tried and true method of deception and manipulation. It's the meaning behind the Latin motto: ORDO AB CHAO meaning ORDER OUT OF CHAOS.
It's also referred to as the Hegelian Dialect after the philosopher Georg Hegel who wrote about its effectiveness. He described it as: THESIS -- ANTI-THESIS -- SYN-THESIS.
Others have described it as: PROBLEM -- REACTION -- SOLUTION in that firstly you create the problem; then secondly you fan the flames to get a reaction; then thirdly (like Johnny-on-the-spot) you provide a solution. The solution is what you were wanting to achieve in the first place, but wouldn't have been able to achieve under normal circumstances.
paraphrased from http://www.orwelltoday.com/stagedevents.shtm (http://www.orwelltoday.com/stagedevents.shtm)
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........and now we come back to 'mind control' used for good purposes and outcomes. I think I've been here before!! Great, it's revision time......repetition to make it all sink in!!
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Well, after all the chaos here recently, and especially after reading emeraldcity's post above about 'order out of chaos', I'm growing more sure of myself each day.
I've already said, and I grow more certain each day, that ALL I can be certain of, and believe in as truth, is what I PERSONALLY experience in my own life, with people I know face to face, and most importantly, what's in my own heart. It's all back to 'the man in the mirror' idea.
Everything I read, see or hear via the media and the internet I need to thoroughly filter, no matter how awful or appealing the 'facts' or 'evidence' might be. Most I should simply file away in my mind somewhere, they may come in useful one day.
But what's important is my own heart, my own relationships, my own life - these are the things I KNOW, and I'll be honest and say they've been neglected as this hoax and all things MJ have taken over my life. I'm feeling more and more like my time is coming to a close here (at least the amount of time!) I've never felt the 'family feel' that some speak of - I've always been aware that there's a tier 'in the know' and then there's the rest of us scratching around in the crumbs! I'm not complaining necessarily, just observing. And that's not to say there aren't a good few characters I've grown fond of!
If MJ is orchestrating all this, from death hoax, to TMZ and Sony, to phoney website wars, then so be it - but until I hear it from his own mouth I can be sure of nothing. If someone else is the 'puppetmaster', then I reserve judgement, until I learn their identity and I decide for myself if they're trustworthy or not. So, if it's all down to MJ, do I trust him and his motives? Yes, I do, because of what I've seen of him throughout his lifetime, 40 odd years of a thoroughly decent human being.
Finally, I've often wondered if TS's 'test' is just this - to see how long we all last hanging on to a website where we know no-one, talking about everything our imaginations can muster up, about a man we never knew who may or may not be alive, before we truly wake up, look ourselves in the mirror and get back to life, back to reality, back to the here and now ........ (sorry, not one of MJ's!)
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Curls - excellent post. I totally agree with you. I became disenchanged with the Elvis thing and several weeks ago thought this was it for me.
It's interesting. I always loved Michael Jackson's music. But the chaos and craziness surrounding his life and the Jacksons was always a distraction for me and I soon drifted away. I thought I would give it one more try. But here I am again...back at square 1. Whether he intentionally creates the craziness (which I now believe is partially true) or the media does, it exists. But it's full of deception. I don't think Michael Jackson wants us or anyone else to know who is truly is. I have to be truthful. If he is/was sincere about the message of love, I'm not sure why the distracting message of dysfunctional craziness was always included. It's been said that he loved controversy. That's too bad because I think it took away from his incredible talent and his message of love. I firmly believe all of us by our thoughts and actions attract specific people into our lives and the consequences thereof.
I've learned a lot about myself on this site especially from some of the truly sincere people. I'm much clearer about my purpose in life and I owe that to MJ's quest to follow his specific path. I'm going to take that knowledge and run with it. As you said Curls, my reality is what is around me everyday and the people who I know are suffering. I fear a lot of what is said on this site is fantasy and will never come to fruition. I'm going to "escape" back into reality...much wiser.
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Dear fellow hoaxers, I rarely post, because I don't like to talk that much in public (lol), but with all what happened recently, we should try to remember these virtues and what they stand for.
The 4 worldly virtues: justice, bravery, wisdom and moderation
and the 3 theological virtues: faith, love and hope
I don't want to preach to anybody, because I'm certainly not better that others, we all make mistakes and we will continue to do so in future, because we are only human. But if we just incorporated a tiny little bit of what these virtues stand for into our lives, then this world would be a better place and we will get to the end of the ride safe and sound.
4 + 3 = 7
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P.S. Gema and MJonmind I loved your clips :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well, after all the chaos here recently, and especially after reading emeraldcity's post above about 'order out of chaos', I'm growing more sure of myself each day.
I've already said, and I grow more certain each day, that ALL I can be certain of, and believe in as truth, is what I PERSONALLY experience in my own life, with people I know face to face, and most importantly, what's in my own heart. It's all back to 'the man in the mirror' idea.
Everything I read, see or hear via the media and the internet I need to thoroughly filter, no matter how awful or appealing the 'facts' or 'evidence' might be. Most I should simply file away in my mind somewhere, they may come in useful one day.
But what's important is my own heart, my own relationships, my own life - these are the things I KNOW, and I'll be honest and say they've been neglected as this hoax and all things MJ have taken over my life. I'm feeling more and more like my time is coming to a close here (at least the amount of time!) I've never felt the 'family feel' that some speak of - I've always been aware that there's a tier 'in the know' and then there's the rest of us scratching around in the crumbs! I'm not complaining necessarily, just observing. And that's not to say there aren't a good few characters I've grown fond of!
If MJ is orchestrating all this, from death hoax, to TMZ and Sony, to phoney website wars, then so be it - but until I hear it from his own mouth I can be sure of nothing. If someone else is the 'puppetmaster', then I reserve judgement, until I learn their identity and I decide for myself if they're trustworthy or not. So, if it's all down to MJ, do I trust him and his motives? Yes, I do, because of what I've seen of him throughout his lifetime, 40 odd years of a thoroughly decent human being.
Finally, I've often wondered if TS's 'test' is just this - to see how long we all last hanging on to a website where we know no-one, talking about everything our imaginations can muster up, about a man we never knew who may or may not be alive, before we truly wake up, look ourselves in the mirror and get back to life, back to reality, back to the here and now ........ (sorry, not one of MJ's!)
Great post
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“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I just found it interesting that "and there was a great calm" was underlined... emphasized... which I took to mean that there was not going to be much happening... that all would calm down.
Then I finally caved in and started following the 5Alive Dodo bird... why? I DON'T KNOW!!!! LOL Seriously, I think it's absolutely silly, but leave no stone unturned... so I'm keeping my eye on the Dodo.
Anyway, a couple of recent tweets from Dodo
http://twitter.com/5alivedodo/statuses/12556820757352448
Is leading a quiet life as a dodo and wants everyone to be as calm and happy as he is.
I just found it strange that TS referenced calm and then Dodo spoke of being calm ... do you think there is a connection or do you think I am reading WAY too much into this! LOL I'm open to both views! :D
Here's the one that got me wondering about Dodo and the connection to Doo Doo :roll: Yes I'm rolling my eyes at myself for even entertaining this. :D
http://twitter.com/5alivedodo/statuses/12089239999090688
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs403.ash2/68098_465868832922_367014012922_5768518_4405851_n.jpg)
So I don't want to turn this into a "should we follow Dodo" topic... I want to keep it relevant to the thread. TS mentioned calm in this post and Dodo mentioned calm in his tweet. Connection?
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With all the chaos surrounding us, I'm reminded of the Latin phrase "ordo ab chao" (order out of chaos). I googled it and the website I've quoted came up. When I saw the term "puppetmasters" I thought immediately of an ARG. I've always thought we've been part of one, and now I'm even more convinced. But that's just my slant on it ... I'm groping in the dark like everyone else here. However, I'm optimistic enough to know that we're not destined to spend forever down the Rabbit Hole ... that someone will throw us a torch and all the dark corners will finally be illuminated. The trick is to stay on track and not get distracted by all the "red herrings" thrown in our path. Remember TS told us to keep the faith "no matter what happens". These are testing times and I'm heartened to know that there IS still an Army of Love here, even if we are a bit frazzled around the edges at the moment. Let's stay strong and let LOVE heal the divisions amongst us. It really is the only way we're going to advance.
People are most suggestible when they have been traumatised and creating trauma is one of the operating foundation of Illuminati/NWO mind control so that they can increase their control whilst the "sheep" look for order to be restored.
I also beLIEve (And I have done so for a long time!) that we are part of an ARG with a purpose to educate us to Think For Ourselves (Freedom from Mind Control). This is however unlikely to be the sole purpose of this ARG.
What we need to remember is that IF Michael did fake his death, whatever the reasons were, HE would have had to make some sacrifices and take some risks... and IF HE was prepared to "hurt" his fans, HE is probably prepared to play a "cruel to be kind" scenario with the beLIEvers to get them where HE needs them to be or get what HE wants out of this/them.
The recent events may be reminiscent of a training exercise...
(http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/SuperSoakerCreek.preview.jpg)
And what about IF the whole think was a Hoax and Michael is no longer with us or never planned to BAM?:
- The latest MO/Souza and Keyboardwizz "interchanges" have changed NOTHING to the available evidences... neither has it shaded the light on who is behind TS and whether the identity of TS is known to either Mo and/or Souza...
- Evidences are from many different "sources" and if we are being Hoaxed, we are talking about a giant experiment on the next generation of web-based entertainment led by the entertainment industry with people closed to MJ being paid to deceive!.... In such event this site would be a drop in the ocean! It is possible but it would be of bad taste to use "death" as the "topic" to experiment upon and could lead to significant backlash when the truth is unveiled.
- Whether long term fans or not... do we know who Michael really is and what he really wants?
And finally a message to Mo and Souza... to say that I would be more than Happy to entertain you with a soup (It may not be as nice as Badkolo's one... I don't know!) if this can help resolving the current "disagreements"...
With L.O.V.E
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I don't know if anyone remembers the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie True Lies, where Jamie Lee Curtis his wife is supposedly cheating on him and he is trying to find out if she had sex with this guy. He traps her without her knowing it's him, arrests her and behind a two-way mirror interrogates her about her thought life. For some reason what she said resonates with me. She sobs that no she did not cheat on him, but she wanted adventure, a little excitement, a sense of being part of something big and important, life-changing. So Arnold ask her if she would like to do an espionage job for them, and so she has an exciting adventure. (Watch the movie) I put a clip of Arnold riding the horse scene on the Laugher thread, while looking for this scene but could not find it. Anyway I sooo identify with her longing. We're all pretty ordinary people living ordinary lives, and this Michael hoax thriller only comes along once in a lifetime. We've all experienced some forms of trauma in our lives, at least I sure have. Runninggirl I do understand the whole NWO use of mind-controlled slaves. 911 was trauma to bring in FEMA, police state. But maybe Michael is doing the same but with good intentions. The trauma is his death, chaos of conspiracy about the circumstances, but also good clean fun with the hoax and come-back. Peace is when all the dust settles. The same process, but with good intentions :mrgreen: . Also MJ would love that super-soaker painting!
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I came back to this thread to learn who is sponge Bob.
Once again, scanning the posts, I can´t see this as a part of the ARG played in the hoax.
I see this as a real "mistake" where loyalties have been betrayed due to different opinions and moral values about "how far should we go with".
Things got out of hands and shows that so called secrets can be keept as secrets that much.
Trust and loyalties on the line for sure, leading to power struggle.
Veni, vidi, vici in a nutshell.
It also shows how hard it is for some people to accept their mistakes and give an apology.
I thought I knew the real reason for this argument to happen on the first place, but I am now unsure and i believe that more "truths" are about to come out, must come out.
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After posting about the "calm", I went back to read all 18 pages on this thread!!! hahahaha I knew something was going on but I had NO IDEA of all the controversy! LOL Wow!
You know, this hoax is a total parallel for life for me. We question who is telling the truth on this board, things going on behind the scenes that are being omitted for the common good, theories, mysteries, controversy, confusion, etc. Sounds like the governments and the people. :-) Sounds like Hollywood gossip mags and the people.
Really what in LIFE is real? What is truth? And are we questioning our world the way we are questioning our lives on this forum?
I really hope we are not just investigating MJ and his death, but that we are taking this into our "real world" and questioning who is behind our governments, following the money trails, and finding out who really runs this show we called "life".
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Damn trustno1, I wish I had thought of your username! :lol:
That is exactly how I feel right now! I'm sure many do.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
(http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/Suspicious_DXD5FP.gif) <---- some of us from now on
Yeah, I tell ya.
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Damn trustno1, I wish I had thought of your username! :lol:
That is exactly how I feel right now! I'm sure many do.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
(http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/Suspicious_DXD5FP.gif) <---- some of us from now on
Yeah, I tell ya.
Well at least that is an improvement, as strange as it may sound. Not talking about people in your real life, mostly people have better judgement when face to face with people (at least I do) but people on the internet behind usernames. And yes, that includes TS, but as he always said: go by the evidence and think for yourself. Dissect every sentence, verify all the info and then make up your mind.
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TS is definitely a woman :Þ
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TS is definitely a woman :Þ
And I am you. Still pissed that you revealed that. :evil:
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It's time I take a bubble bath and get to know myself <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
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It's time I take a bubble bath and get know myself :P
Why? To check if you are a boy or a girl?
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T is souza and SEHF is S :o :o ??
Confess now or keep silent forever :evil:
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T is souza and SEHF is S :o :o ??
Confess now or keep silent forever :evil:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Who´s behind TIAI?
I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know, I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know, I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know,I wanna know, (http://www.messentools.com/images/emoticones/varios/www.MessenTools.com-Varios-big-147.gif)(http://www.deseoaprender.com/Imagenes/SMILEYS/caras/cansado.gif)
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(http://theworldaccordingtogem.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/patience.jpg)
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TS, (http://www.ciudadfutura.es/emoticones/enfado.gif)
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Damn trustno1, I wish I had thought of your username! :lol:
That is exactly how I feel right now! I'm sure many do.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
(http://www.msn101.com/content/emoticons/Suspicious_DXD5FP.gif) <---- some of us from now on
Yeah, I tell ya.
Well at least that is an improvement, as strange as it may sound. Not talking about people in your real life, mostly people have better judgement when face to face with people (at least I do) but people on the internet behind usernames. And yes, that includes TS, but as he always said: go by the evidence and think for yourself. Dissect every sentence, verify all the info and then make up your mind.
I agree it is just so much is out there, so many people playing mind games.
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TS, (http://www.ciudadfutura.es/emoticones/enfado.gif)
Your smilies crack me up!!
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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I go away to sleeping, tomorrow I have to get up early
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TS knows we are waiting for an answer (http://www.cannabiscafe.net/foros/images/smilies/Mafia2.gif)
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I go away to sleeping, tomorrow I have to get up early
Have a nice one!
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I hope this is how it was planned to go and I didn't just trip the wire
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I hope this is how it was planned to go and I didn't just trip the wire
What's that supposed to mean? Are you saying you are Mo?
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I hope this is how it was planned to go and I didn't just trip the wire
What's that supposed to mean? Are you saying you are Mo?
BlackJack,
What is it going to take for you to explain yourself?? People are on to you. Fess up!
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gema dear your smileys are keeping me laughing. thank you so much i can use it.
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gema dear your smileys are keeping me laughing. thank you so much i can use it.
Ya I can't help but smile when I see the suspicious side eyes.
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... We can't go on together
With suspicious minds
And we can't build our dreams
On suspicious minds
Oh let our love survive
Or dry the tears from your eyes
Let's don't let a good thing die ...
Elvis knew it all along ... :geek:
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“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
I just found it interesting that "and there was a great calm" was underlined... emphasized... which I took to mean that there was not going to be much happening... that all would calm down.
Then I finally caved in and started following the 5Alive Dodo bird... why? I DON'T KNOW!!!! LOL Seriously, I think it's absolutely silly, but leave no stone unturned... so I'm keeping my eye on the Dodo.
Anyway, a couple of recent tweets from Dodo
http://twitter.com/5alivedodo/statuses/12556820757352448
Is leading a quiet life as a dodo and wants everyone to be as calm and happy as he is.
I just found it strange that TS referenced calm and then Dodo spoke of being calm ... do you think there is a connection or do you think I am reading WAY too much into this! LOL I'm open to both views! :D
Here's the one that got me wondering about Dodo and the connection to Doo Doo :roll: Yes I'm rolling my eyes at myself for even entertaining this. :D
http://twitter.com/5alivedodo/statuses/12089239999090688
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs403.ash2/68098_465868832922_367014012922_5768518_4405851_n.jpg)
So I don't want to turn this into a "should we follow Dodo" topic... I want to keep it relevant to the thread. TS mentioned calm in this post and Dodo mentioned calm in his tweet. Connection?
I got to get me one of those.... :lol:
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So, the turmoil is still continuing....everyone needs to calm down and stop pointing fingers
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So, the turmoil is still continuing....everyone needs to calm down and stop pointing fingers
Yes, and I am afraid that the only way to accomplisch that is to lock the thread.
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Are the Elvis and MJ parallels all a scam by TS? In fact, is TS involved in a complex murder plot along with Sony and TMZ—using Elvis and numerology, etc, to make the MJ death look like hoax?? This post covers the answers to these questions.
However, if you are a hoax newbie, this post will not make much sense until you have read at least the following posts:
TIAI Update #4a, #4b, #4c, & #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14058}.
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1. Outline
1. Outline
2. Truth Will Prevail
3. Most Recent Predictions
4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
6. Katherine and Randy
7. Bahrain And Michael
8. God Can Protect
9. “His Own Words”
10. Eliza’s Court Case
11. Eleven Thirty
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2. Truth Will Prevail
Although I did mention the concept of being tested, I never said that the test would be intentionally false information (to see if anyone would catch it). That is of course a possibility; but it’s also possible that the only test is whether people will reject true information, without checking it out for themselves.
It is good to see people doing their own research, on some of the subjects that I have previously written (as well as other subjects); I have no complaints about this. If what I have written is wrong, in time that will become obvious; and if what I have written is truth, in time the “truth will prevail”.
However, just because someone questions or challenges what I have written, don’t expect me to respond impulsively. In time I will usually answer, especially if nobody else does; but don’t expect any knee-jerk reactions from me, I’ve never operated that way and never will. Quick reactions are usually emotionally charged, and not well thought out; I like to give time for the dust to settle, and also time for others to find answers—that way people are thinking for themselves, rather than just letting me spoon feed them. Furthermore, I normally post on key dates and times; and this case is no exception (see section 11, below).
Some have thought that my “return” and “bam” predictions were for the purpose of testing people. Again, this is possible; but there is another reason, which I won’t reveal until after the bam. And as I have said before, the “return” did have a double-meaning: one meaning was a possible bam, and the other meaning was “piece by piece” information about the hoax coming together, and especially things about the hoax hitting the media. This process is still going on, including recently (see section 3, next); although it was rather quiet there for a few months. Did anybody notice that things suddenly picked up recently?
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Quoting from the redirect on November 2 (which mentions the November 1 redirect): “I think that it is not only the content of the [November 1] redirect that is important but the timing as well. ... I think that we are maybe now moving on to the next level. ... we have reached a certain stage and are heading now to the next one. ... The term ‘the eleventh hour’ springs to mind and perhaps this is why TS redirected to this post on the first day of the eleventh month. It could mean we are moving into the next phase ... ‘Remember, remember the 5th of November’” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15306}
Does anybody feel like this month (November) has been the “next phase”, or “next level”—have things been a little crazy this month (after being rather quiet for a few months)? We got “Breaking News”, first preview on November 5 {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/05/michael-jacksons-new-music-breaking-news-song-sony-records/}; and “Opis None”, also on November 5 {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/06/michael-jackson-katherine-jackson-mj-song-opus-released-music-jackson-secret-vault/}; the Oprah Encino interview happened this month (see section 6, below); and the news about MJ and Elvis still being alive was huge hoax news that came out this month (Teddy Riley and Akon).
By the way: did you notice that much of the media reported Riley as an “insane producer”—but the word “insane” was not used by TMZ? “MJ Producer Believes MJ is ALIVE!!!!!” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/michael-jackson-alive-dead-conspiracy-teddy-riley-blackstreet-dangerous-death-life-hiding/; http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22insane+producer%22+riley&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=cae82668a2ddab14}.
So this has been quite a month. And just before this month began, on October 30, TIAI redirected to War of the Worlds: “On Oct. 30, 1938, up-and-coming actor and director Orson Welles stages a radio adapation of H.G. Welles’ novel War of the Worlds set in modern-day New Jersey. Presented as a series of news bulletins and without commercial breaks [breaking news] ...” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15242}
Elsa commented on this prediction: “I’ve realized that this TIAI redirect about the Orson Welles broadcast of War of the Worlds (The Greatest Hoaxes ever), was timed perfectly prior to Breaking News . The War or the Worlds broadcast was done as a series of news bulletins about Martians landing in New Jersey. Breaking News starts with news bulletins and was supposedly recorded in New Jersey.”
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15242&start=25#p263414}.
That TIAI redirect to War of the Worlds on October 30 was clearly first, because the song title “Breaking News” was not mentioned on TMZ until November 4 {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/04/michael-jackson-album-sony-breaking-news-fake-tracks-katherine-jackson-prince-paris-new-jersey/}.
Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not.
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4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
I think that there are two main reasons why many people do not accept the numerology: either they are not mathematical, and don’t understand it very well—and/or they do not want to accept the meaning of it all (MJ planned his own death hoax; and New World Order, end of the world, Elvis connection, etc).
But the $999 reward is the solution for both of these two reasons. And the fact that nobody has come anywhere close to claiming the reward (or succeeded in passing the coincidence test)—after nearly three months, and multiple thousands of views on that $999 reward post—this is very strong proof that the numerology is irrefutable evidence. Nevertheless, in spite of the unclaimed reward: I will go into more details now, because of the high importance of the numerology, and also because of the fact that many still don’t understand or accept it.
Many people on the forum, as well as the general public, are not real good at math—especially if it gets complex. But the MJ numerology math itself is very simple, such as: 1998 / 2 = 999; or 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. What’s much more complex than the numerology itself, is calculating the statistics of whether the MJ numerology was all by chance or design. And this is what a lot of people are still not getting—especially when it comes to calculating not only the probabilities of a coincidence, but also the opportunities of a coincidence.
Recent complaints about the numerology have included statements such as: TS has been “crafting numerology”, or I just “kept looking until I found connections”, or there are “countless events which hold numerology”, etc. All such statements show a great lack of understanding the opportunities concept, in all the MJ hoax numerology. So I will try to explain this further.
First, we must understand that when some connection is made (whether a number, or anything else): if we want to assess the likelihood of the connection being merely by chance, we need to look at the opportunities for a coincidence on both ends of the connection (this is something many forget, and at most they look only for the opportunities on one end of the connection).
For example, what are the opportunities for MJ to die (one end of the connection) on June 25, 2009 (the other end of the connection)? Let’s take a close look at each end of this connection, starting with MJ. Why are we picking MJ’s death—why not Farrah, or someone else? How many opportunities are there for SOMEBODY to die on 6-25-09? Thousands of people die every day! And even if we were to limit the opportunities down to only famous or important people, we would still have a list of 16 people on Wikipedia who died that day {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_June_2009}.
Out of these 16 opportunities, why do we choose MJ—just because we like MJ? What about Farrah fans: should they limit the opportunities down to 1, merely because they like her? No, being a fan of MJ or Farrah does not change the opportunities of who might die on that day by chance.
However, did Farrah or anyone else in the world (other than MJ) have a record-breaking album, song, and video titled “Thriller”—which was about the dead being alive? Or did anyone other than MJ marry the daughter of an extremely famous person, who is very well known for possibly faking his death? It is these things, and not merely liking MJ, which allows us mathematically to reduce down to 1 the opportunities of a coincidence on this end of the connection (WHO died on 6-25-09).
Notice also at this point, that the opportunities for somebody ELSE famous or important dying on the same day is very likely—in fact, 15 other people are listed on Wikipedia that day, and several people are listed as dying on every day of the month in June 2009 (in fact, Wikipedia lists notable deaths regularly every day).
And if you were to start researching the other people who died on 6-25-09, you would almost certainly find SOME kind of connection with MJ—same age, or lived in the same town, or same color hair, or same first name, or same brand of car, or same SOMETHING! You will find connections which are merely coincidence, because you are browsing through an almost endless sea (multi-contextual research) of opportunities for a coincidence. So no, MJ did not plan to fake his death on the same day as Farrah’s death (or anyone else).
We have looked at MJ’s “death” on one end of the connection; now we are ready to look at the other end of the connection, the date (6-25-09). What are the opportunities of MJ dying on a particular date by coincidence? Why do we pick 6-25-09, merely because that is when it happened?
Wikipedia lists the current average worldwide lifespan as 67.2 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_life_span}. If we multiply 67.2 by 365.25 days in a year (average including leap years), we have 24,545 days in the average person’s life; this means that we have nearly 25,000 opportunities for MJ to actually die on SOME day by chance. So why do we pick 6-25-09? This is where the numerology really kicks in, and narrows the window of coincidence opportunities from 25,000 down to 1.
First, let’s look at the 2040 number on the spaceship. The year 2009 had 11 dates which add up to 2040 (and 2010 through 2027 have 12 dates each year). But these years all have more than 350 dates which do NOT add up to 2040; so even with no other numerology, there is only about 1 chance in 30 (~3%) that MJ really died on 6-25-2009 by chance—and 29 chances in 30 (~97%) that MJ planned to “die” (a fake death) on 6-25-2009!
True, numerology often continues adding and reducing until the answer is one digit (6 + 2 + 5 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 9 = 24; 2 + 4 = 6); however, that is not the only method of numerology. And since the 2040 was clearly copying Elvis (because both Elvis 2001 and MJ 2040 was a space-related concert into, adding up to the fake death day): then we can be sure that in this case, the date 6-25-2009 should not be reduced to one digit (just like 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001, not one digit). And please do not overlook the important fact that understanding the Elvis connection answers many of the MJ hoax questions and objections, etc.
Even with this 2040 connection, we should think about connections on both ends. We have already looked at the one end (6-25-2009); but what about opportunities on the other end of the connection, 2040? How many different numbers did MJ display on a space-related concert intro? Ten thousand, or fifty, or a dozen, or only 1? Maybe those of you who know MJ better than I do can help me out; but right now, I can only think of 1 opportunity on this end of the connection.
So even if we stopped the numerology right here: we could close the book and say that there’s a 3% chance MJ died on 6-25-2009 merely by coincidence, and a 97% chance that he faked his death by plan!!! Thankfully, MJ did not want to leave anyone with a 3% wiggle room; because human nature tends to prefer claiming rare coincidence, rather than admitting unwelcome truth. So MJ made sure that the numerology was less than 1 chance in a million, rather than 3 chances in a hundred (3%).
Especially since many people don’t like my long posts: I will stop here, rather than continuing to examine the opportunities of a coincidence (on both ends of each numerology connection). However, I will repeat here the list from my last post; and keep in mind that the 3% (above) is only one of the twelve listed below. Notice also that the numerology is all dealing with factors of time related to the “death”—which greatly reduces the scope of coincidence opportunities: it is NOT browsing through a wide sea of events, and multi-contextual researches, etc (quantity of album sales, street addresses, shoe sizes, length of paper clips, add infinitum).
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
I realize that this next statement could be referred to as “circular reasoning”; however, if you can accept even one step in the circle, then the whole circle becomes valid. #1 As long as nobody can claim the $999 reward, the numerology stands uncontested and irrefutable; #2 the numerology proves that MJ himself planned the timing of his own (fake) “death”, so he was not murdered; #3 the numerology explains the reasons for the hoax, including the Elvis connection; #4 TS has understood and explained the numerology better than anyone else in MJ hoaxland, so TS is valid; #5 TS supports TMZ (and TMZ supports TS); #6 TMZ is not playing games, unless MJ is really dead; but we know that MJ is not dead (see #2), so TMZ is in on the hoax; #7 TMZ gave us the first numerology clues (the 7’s), very shortly after MJ “died”; so we know that the numerology is part of the hoax (which leads right back to the start of the circle, #1).
And speaking of the unclaimed numerology reward: I could increase the reward up to 999 million dollars, but nobody would collect a penny—because the most advanced mathematician in the world can’t debunk it! You don’t have to be good at math personally; all you need to know is that no mathematician can debunk it.
What about DNA (even if it is handled under certain “chain of custody” requirements), do you need to be a lab technician to accept DNA evidence? Or could you accept the fact that lab technicians themselves are unable to refute certain DNA evidence?
Go ahead, take the $999 reward challenge; if you are not good at math, get a friend or math teacher to help you—and split the reward. You have nothing to lose (other than time). The phrase “You bET” in the title of that post was merely an expression (I realize that some who don’t know English as the first language might not recognize this expression); this expression (you bet) simply means “of course”! It was used primarily for the word “YET” (in all caps). It was not used to mean a gamble; you will not have to pay $999 if you take the challenge, but don’t succeed.
Finally, in all that I have said about the numerology, I am not just rattling off random numbers; I have backed it up with an almost ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR reward! And nobody has even come close to claiming it. Has any other hoaxer ever offered any such reward? As the saying goes: “put your money where your mouth is”—and I have done exactly that.
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5. Outthinking the Illuminati
I have never said that the whole company of Sony is in on the hoax. What I have said is that Michael planned this hoax for many years, and got a few key people in a few key positions. Some of what comes through Sony is part of MJ’s plan, but a lot of it is not.
And the statement by MJ, about outthinking Sony, is not being understood with the word “outthink” in mind. Yes, MJ did have some problems with Sony—especially TM, who is long gone. But was it really Sony that MJ was primarily talking about? Would stating in public and on video exactly who you are planning on outthinking, would that really qualify as outsmarting them—or would it be outstupiding them??
Do you really think that MJ was talking exclusively (or even primarily) about Sony, when he said that they have manipulated the “history books”? Or perhaps was MJ actually referring to outthinking the Illuminati, and using Sony as a bit of a diversion (although the Illuminati does have its fingers in every big pie, including Sony)?
The idea of the hoax being a cover up for murder has been discussed a lot, and recently it has been discussed in the context of TS possibly being part of this Sony and TMZ affiliated cover up. I have gone into the murder theory several times before, and won’t repeat all those things now. Of course the numerology is very strong against murder; but aside from that, I will make a couple of points here.
The family has already said they know who killed MJ, and “it’s all going to come out”. So if Sony, TMZ, and/or TS were involved in this murder plot—and the family has already figured it out—then continuing to promote the hoax concept would only make them look more and more guilty of trying to hide the murder. As soon as Sony, TMZ, and/or TS realized that the family was on to their tracks, they would distance themselves from the hoax theory as far and as fast as possible. Then why has that not happened???
Also, here is a very good point from jacilovesmichael: “If he was murdered, then those who murdered him [supposedly including TS] surely wouldn’t want to continue spreading the message [which is exactly what TS does] that he was murdered for.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15976&start=25#p271397}.
By the way: I have already said that I do not work for TMZ. I will now say that I do not work for Sony. Do you believe it? If so, then you have your answer; and if you don’t believe this answer, then there’s really no point in asking the question.
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6. Katherine and Randy
Speaking of the murder theory: many people have had their faith shaken lately—especially with Katherine crying in the Oprah interview, as well as some tweets from Randy. But again, if people would take the Elvis connection seriously: they would understand a lot more, and it would be much easier to “keep the faith”.
If you read the book by Elvis/Jesse (and Dr. Hinton), The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words (which I will abbreviate as TTAEAP): you will find repeated similar statements, such as this one—which is right up front in the introduction. “So many people have written or spoke about my death as a hoax. It was not a hoax! ... Elvis Presley did die that day.” The physical body lived on, yes; but the performer, the King of Rock, ceased to exist on 8-16-1977.
With MJ: his enemies really did kill the reputation, the image, the performer, the King of Pop—Michael Joseph Jackson. Therefore, the statements and emotions of the family are real—even though it is metaphorical murder, and not literal. Even the Bible uses death and murder in a metaphorical sense: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer[/u] ...” (1 John 3:15; see Luke 9:60; etc).
Katherine was crying on the Oprah interview; and it was real emotions and real tears, not just acting. She also said on that same interview, in the context of molestation charges and not the context of 6-25-2009: “I can’t talk about anything without crying ...” {4:31, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLy_-sCG76o}.
Also her biggest grief on June 25 was not when Murray told her that MJ was “gone” (to the airport). Instead, her major grief was when she had to take the children home with her; because at that point, MJ really was “gone”—and the children would not then be living with him or seeing him regularly {10:21, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLy_-sCG76o}.
But if any still have difficulty with the emotions and statements of Katherine and/or Randy, you might want to consider that maybe some of the family members are not in on the hoax. I’m not saying that this is the actual case; but if it’s easier for you, this is yet another example where the Elvis connection could help.
“One fact that most people would think is that my Daddy [Vernon] must have known, well he didn’t. We were planning on telling him when he passed away without ever knowing.” (TTAEAP 28). “My own Daddy bless his soul never knew the truth. Little Lisa was told months later and explained to her she would not see me much. ... I feel bad my Daddy wasn’t allowed to know but it just couldn’t be done.” (TTAEAP 32,33). “Also let me tell you that my Daddy did not know of this hoax if they want to call it that. If he had not died suddenly, we would have told him. ... To this day I feel terrible about this. But he had to be eliminated from the beginning. He was to be told after 3 years but as you know he passed 6 months too early.” (TTAEAP 56).
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7. Bahrain And Michael
One of the redirects included this statement: “It’s quite reasonable to think that one of the places MJ’s been hiding out in is Bahrain.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=15880#p268640}. Several questioned why I would redirect to this, and put MJ at risk.
First, let me repeat what I have said before: just because I redirect to something, it does not mean that I agree with every single word on the comment or webpage that is redirected; instead, look for the main points being said, not necessarily every detail. In this case, however, I did make sure to redirect to a post which had a very important detail in it: “ONE of the places MJ’s been hiding”.
Second, Bahrain could be a decoy. Third, whether or not it’s a decoy: TS is certainly not the only one who has given the Bahrain clue. It was also on the Jackson Reality Show, on the recent Oprah interview, and on TMZ. “Bahrain Company Didn’t Get Memo On MJ’s Death” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/19/michael-jackson-estate-creditors-claim-estate-bahrain-company-loan/}. As many noticed, this title had nothing to do with the article; the title was a clue that Bahrain didn’t know about MJ’s death, because they did know that he is not dead!
Elvis/Jesse has also listed several of his past hiding places—including Apopka, Florida; Tenino, Washington; and Hawaii, which is a paradise island (TTAEAP 28,38,40,48). Many rumors have circulated for years about Elvis living on some “paradise island”; well, he actually did! And of course, Bahrain is also a paradise island.
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8. God Can Protect
There was a fair amount of discussion recently regarding the Bible redirects—and whether they are spiritual messages for those who believe in God and the Bible, or hoax clues and hoax messages for those who don’t? The answer is: both! And it’s up to you whether to accept only one aspect of the Bible redirects, or both aspects.
I realize that there are many on this forum who are agonistic or atheist (don’t believe in God); and that is their choice—in fact, most if not all of us who do believe in God, we all recognize that God Himself gives everyone the freedom to choose whether or not to believe in Him (see Hebrews 11:6). So please don’t let what I say in this section (or anywhere else) be taken as disrespecting those who choose not to believe in God; I still respect you, even if I think that you have made the wrong choice.
However, for those of us who do believe in God—which includes Jesse/Elvis, Linda, Eliza, and of course MJ (as well as many on the hoax forums)—they all recognize that God is bigger and more powerful than all the people and all the money in the world combined! Therefore, if God wants the general public to know the truth about Elvis, and/or MJ: then nobody and nothing is going to stop it.
Furthermore, all who believe in God should also realize that He is fully capable of protecting both Elvis and MJ. And if MJ did not have a strong faith in God’s protection, he would’ve never planned any BAM at all. “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear ... He that feareth is not made perfect in love.” (1 John 4:18). Remember: It’s All For LOVE!
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
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9. “His Own Words”
There has been a lot of question and discussion lately about Linda Hood Sigmon, and whether she is a reliable informer for Elvis/Jesse. According to her: “Elvis/Jesse does not support the court case …” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
According to Eliza: “NEVER HAS MY BROTHER CONTACTED MYSELF VIA MAIL, PHONE OR EMAIL TO ASK, REQUEST OR ORDER ME TO DISCONTINUE AND/OR WITHDRAW FROM MY COURT CASE. NOT WHILE IT WAS FILED IN PROBATE COURT OR SINCE IT HAS BEEN FILED IN CHANCERY COURT. UNLESS OR UNTIL HE DOES, I SHALL CONTINUE TO ASSERT MY RIGHT TO DO SO.”
{http://elizapresley.blogspot.com/2010/11/december-14-2010-130pm.html}.
Which of these statements is true: the one from Linda, or the one from Eliza? Can you wrap your mind around the idea that both of these statements are true? Is it possible that Jesse has asked Linda not to support the court case, and yet he has not asked Eliza to stop it? Can you put yourself in his shoes for a moment, and understand what issues he is dealing with?
Did you know that there was a similar situation between Linda and Dr. Hinton, regarding Jesse “coming out” in 2002? Both of them were in contact with Jesse, and both of them were informers; but Linda and Dr. Hinton did not agree on this aspect of the general public learning the truth about Jesse {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.
Also, notice this recent statement on Linda’s website: “He [Jesse] has mentioned coming to see me a few times and while he knows that he would be welcome, I have not encouraged it.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
The book by Dr. Hinton and Jesse, which I have already quoted from above, is titled: The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words! And many of the letters printed in this book, are also photocopied there in his own handwriting. So if we want the most accurate information about Jesse, this is it! This first quote which I will include from this book is about Jesse, but written by Dr. Hinton; while the other quotes, below the first one, were all written by Jesse himself (his own words).
Dr. Hinton said: “... they did not want him [Jesse] within five miles of Graceland, but he [Jesse] and one other person went up to his bedroom at Graceland late at night to get the cuff-links.” (TTAEAP 50).
Jesse: “The Graceland estate does not allow me to contact them personally, they are determined to keep the myth alive and don’t want me taking any chances. ... I can’t do a thing about it either. The Church of Scientology has something to do with it.” (TTAEAP 40,41).
Jesse: “You see I have everything taken care of except the fact that I am never given any cash whatsoever. When I do ask for cash, I am always given the third degree on what I need cash for. So you can see all the restrictions I have on me. People ... thought I was the same old Elvis handing out money ...” (TTAEAP 28; see 48).
Jesse: “I picked four (4) of us initially and to this day all have kept the secret. I also know when this book reaches the bookstores people (my loyal friends) will be heartbroken. They took care of me and convinced others that I was no longer alive.” (TTAEAP 31).
Jesse: “I have already been told through a source that Lisa Marie will cause problems if B.J.’s picture is shown.” (TTAEAP 63). And yet the picture of Jesse and Benjamin was included in Jesse’s book (on page 23).
Jesse: “I was told there was a survey that stated percentage wise that many people still thought I was alive! But as time went by I became more daring and went out [in public] with minimal disguises.” (TTAEAP 48).
Jesse: “As I get older I feel I must reveal more facts of my life as Jesse.” (TTAEAP 56).
Some may say that these statements by Jesse/Elvis were from about ten years ago, and perhaps things have changed since then. Yes, and I would also say that those who can read between the lines, think for themselves, and put themselves in Jesse’s shoes—they will probably be able to understand what has and has not changed in the last decade. Nuff said!
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10. Eliza’s Court Case
Many say that posts by TS are too long; and some people don’t even read them, because they are so long. Also, I was asked to keep this post short—and yet the same person complained that I left important information out of a previous post (update #6). It is possible to include more information, and it is also possible to keep the posts short; but it is not possible to do both. So what should I do: keep my posts short, and leave out important details? Or have long posts?
Anyway, the whole issue over DNA was not the result of intentionally misleading information from me or the attorney; I was merely trying to keep the post from being any longer than it was already. I did link to the blog by attorney Mayoras, giving more than half a dozen very strong reasons why the DNA was not falsified—even though the DNA did not qualify for the specific legalities that have been discussed {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}.
And by the way, the DNA itself is from real people—the laboratories do know this for sure; but the theoretical possibility here is that Eliza got the DNA from people other than Elvis and Presley relatives. However, even though this is a theoretical possibility, in this case it’s not a very realistic possibility.
Notice the following statements, which I made in update #6 (all of which would be pointless, if the DNA was already under the legally established protocol): “However, for the sake of keeping this fairly short, let’s stop here and notice some very clear reasons why Eliza’s story is not some elaborate fabrication. [P] If this was a big joke: it would be very easy for Graceland to disprove it (provide DNA); but they have not even tried. Also, Eliza did not set out to prove that Elvis is alive; instead, she set out to find her real father—and unexpectedly stumbled across amazing evidence that Vernon Presley was her real father (and therefore that Jesse/Elvis is her half brother). She is not asking for money, she only wants the public to know the truth; if she was trying to get tons of money, then that would probably raise questions about a possible motive for attempting a scam—but she is not.”
And even if Eliza was after money, now and/or in the future: there is no way that she could get any money from EPE—unless of course the DNA is valid! Surely if Eliza’s DNA sources were not valid (if they did not really come from Elvis and real Presley relatives): then EPE would come up with DNA (such as Lisa Marie’s) to disprove Eliza, rather than paying her megabucks! This evidence is common sense, think for yourself—even if this evidence does not have certain legal qualifications. Our forum here is for investigating all evidence, not merely evidences which abide by certain court regulations.
The attorney also made this same “common sense evidence”, as one of his strong points—which I will quote here: “Not to mention the fact that if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it’s not true ... unless, of course, it IS true.” {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}.
If Eliza’s DNA was all collected and shipped and handled under the specified legal criteria for chain of custody proof, etc: then there would be no need whatsoever for either the attorney or me to present these above arguments, in favor of Eliza’s DNA being genuine and not a scam. (By “Eliza’s DNA” here, I don’t mean merely her own personal DNA; I am talking about all the DNA tests and evidence that she has.)
And the same could be said of the discussions about possibly exhuming the graves of Vernon and/or Elvis. If Eliza’s DNA had been legally established, the court case would be settled without any need for any exhuming whatsoever. The very fact that this possibility was discussed (by Mayoras, and the TMZ redirect, etc) should have been an indicator that the current DNA evidence is lacking, at least in some manner.
It’s almost impossible to write a couple dozen long posts, and not be misunderstood several times. Here is one possible example: “the basis for a legal case which is already in court” (update #6); although I said “basis for a legal case”, I did not say the “legal basis”.
Without the DNA, Eliza most likely would not have the confidence to pursue the court case (and Eliza herself knows that she is being honest about the DNA, even if others do not). Therefore, the DNA is the basis for her choosing to go forward with legal case (even though the DNA is not the legal basis).
Also notice that in update #6, I never said the DNA was “legal” evidence which the court would accept. Instead, I used the phrase “scientific evidence”; and indeed, Eliza’s DNA evidence is scientific—regardless of legalities. I also used the term “strongest scientific proofs”; and by that, I did not mean it would be impossible for stronger proof to ever exist. Instead, I meant of all the evidences that have existed in the last 33 years about Elvis possibly being alive: these evidences are the strongest.
Notice also that I said “proofs” (plural); so I was not talking merely about the DNA. Other strong scientific evidences included the photograph, the lie detector test, and the graphology / Forensic Document Examiner {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=16038&start=25#p272697}.
Actually, even the numerology is scientific evidence; it is based on math and statistics, which are very scientific. However, a court probably would not accept numerology evidence; and this again should show that scientific evidence and legal evidence are not always the same.
So does this all mean that Eliza’s court case will fall through the cracks, and be a waste of time for Eliza—as well as our own Elvis And MJ connections, etc? I am not the Judge (or Chancellor, in this case); but I can tell you that judges are not stupid—and most likely he will see the common sense evidence regarding the DNA, and understand that Eliza is being honest.
Actually, Linda has put more legal weight on the DNA evidence than I have ever done. “Once it became clear this month that the judge has refused to dismiss the case, after seeing the DNA results which revolve around my friend Jesse’s DNA … No judge would allow a case to proceed in this manner without substantiating proof … the court case will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that Elvis is alive and is now Jesse.” {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53}.
It is very likely that the Chancellor will not dismiss this case on December 14, merely because the methods of DNA collection/shipping do not match certain legal protocol, etc. Fortunately, we have only a couple of weeks to wait before we find out.
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11. Eleven Thirty
I have titled this post update #6.5 (not update #7), because this is primarily a continuation of update #6. And yes, it’s also because I said that update #7 will probably be after BAM. Does this mean that there will still be more updates and/or posts, before update #7 (6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.95, 6.96, 6.999, etc)? I won’t say absolutely no, but most likely not.
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
I will be watching, and if anyone wants to make a serious attempt at the $999 reward: I will certainly either respond to it or else send the money; but they must be serious calculations. Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again. If I have been wrong on anything, time will tell. And if I’ve been right, time will also tell—the truth will prevail.
Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it). But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point.
The hoax doesn’t rely only on TS anyway; as many have said, they believed in the hoax before TS ever posted anything. In fact, don’t you think there is good reason why I didn’t post any new thread—or even make a comment in an existing thread—until more than two months after the “death”? If I had posted immediately after 6-25-2009, then people could claim that TS is the reason for believing in the hoax; but it did not happen this way, for a good reason.
This update 6.5 (6 + 5 = 11) was posted at 11:30 PM (CA time), on 11-30 (November 30). Also, a few days ago TIAI redirected to a clock with the hands at 11:30 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16037}. What is the significance of this? As usual, the redirect had more than one meaning.
The Thriller album was released on 11-30 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)}; and Eliza’s case was previously scheduled for 11-30, although it is now rescheduled for 12-14 {http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696}.
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TS!!!!!
I never believed Priscilla doesen't like Michael lol :lol: .That one was just for controversy and I suspect that she is also in the HOAX 8-) .Just look here,the KING OF POP with Lisa and her bad, bad mother, :lol: together at ELVIS TRIBUTE CONCERT.Michael is so shy;yes Michael you are very shy and we like always will fall in your trap :lol: :lol: :lol: .
[youtube:1y3f5ajm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns93w-wELGE[/youtube:1y3f5ajm]
LISTEN
OBSERVE
VERIFY
EVOLVE
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Thanks for unlocking the thread. So TS hasn't been chased off at all, as feared by some. I keep reading the message again and try to read between the lines to understand the things that can't be said, and I am still puzzled by the strong Elvis connection.
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Yes, the unlocking of this thread is a nice move. We're all on the same team here, we can work it out. :mrgreen:
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Yes, the unlocking of this thread is a nice move. We're all on the same team here, we can work it out. :mrgreen:
I hope the dust settled, that is why I chose to unlock it again. I hope it can stay open.
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Yes, the unlocking of this thread is a nice move. We're all on the same team here, we can work it out. :mrgreen:
I hope the dust settled, that is why I chose to unlock it again. I hope it can stay open.
Your avatar makes me smile. :P
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Yes, the unlocking of this thread is a nice move. We're all on the same team here, we can work it out. :mrgreen:
I hope the dust settled, that is why I chose to unlock it again. I hope it can stay open.
Your avatar makes me smile. :P
Yes, I'm glad to see it open again also and I really like the kittens too!! :P
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(http://www.myemoticons.com/images/communicate/signs/q-s/relax.gif)
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I am lazy so I'll just copy and paste what I said in another thread, something that caught my eye:
Here is more proof that TS is not just linked to TMZ, but to the whole hoax. Let me show you 2 parts from the latest update:
1. Outline
1. Outline
2. Truth Will Prevail
3. Most Recent Predictions
4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
6. Katherine and Randy
7. Bahrain And Michael
8. God Can Protect
9. “His Own Words”
10. Eliza’s Court Case
11. Eleven Thirty
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11. Eleven Thirty
I have titled this post update #6.5 (not update #7), because this is primarily a continuation of update #6. And yes, it’s also because I said that update #7 will probably be after BAM. Does this mean that there will still be more updates and/or posts, before update #7 (6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.95, 6.96, 6.999, etc)? I won’t say absolutely no, but most likely not.
Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help. But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.
I will be watching, and if anyone wants to make a serious attempt at the $999 reward: I will certainly either respond to it or else send the money; but they must be serious calculations. Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again. If I have been wrong on anything, time will tell. And if I’ve been right, time will also tell—the truth will prevail.
Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it). But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point.
The hoax doesn’t rely only on TS anyway; as many have said, they believed in the hoax before TS ever posted anything. In fact, don’t you think there is good reason why I didn’t post any new thread—or even make a comment in an existing thread—until more than two months after the “death”? If I had posted immediately after 6-25-2009, then people could claim that TS is the reason for believing in the hoax; but it did not happen this way, for a good reason.
This update 6.5 (6 + 5 = 11) was posted at 11:30 PM (CA time), on 11-30 (November 30). Also, a few days ago TIAI redirected to a clock with the hands at 11:30 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=16037}. What is the significance of this? As usual, the redirect had more than one meaning.
The Thriller album was released on 11-30 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thriller_(album)}; and Eliza’s case was previously scheduled for 11-30, although it is now rescheduled for 12-14 {http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696}.
Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”. So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).
And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00. The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy. Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully. It’s all for LOVE!
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!
The word thirty is written in italic. I was wondering back then what that meant, but I didn't find anything significant. Now we have 30 witnesses for the prelim http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/28/michael-j ... ofol-lapd/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/28/michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/). This is not info that came from Sony, this is not info that came from TMZ. This is info from the Murray case. Is it all again a coincidence, or did TS know in advance that there would be 30 witnesses showing up for the prelim?
TMZ also uses 'more than 2 dozen' which is kinda weird, since 2 dozen is only 24. Yet if you add up all the numbers in the article now (besides the date and time) you get 11. Eleven thirty. Call me a nutcase but in my book that again is no coincidence.
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Souza, the 30 made me say "Oh F" out loud.... that's very spooky cool. But I only add the article #s to 10 (3+3+2+2). I did it like 15 times too, am I missing something? (entirely possible)
ps. agreed the "2 dozen" is super weird and looks like they're forcing a numbers thing.
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I am lazy so I'll just copy and paste what I said in another thread, something that caught my eye:
Here is more proof that TS is not just linked to TMZ, but to the whole hoax. Let me show you 2 parts from the latest update:
The word thirty is written in italic. I was wondering back then what that meant, but I didn't find anything significant. Now we have 30 witnesses for the prelim http://www.tmz.com/2010/12/28/michael-jackson-manslaughter-case-70-witnesses-dr-conrad-murray-preliminary-hearing-propofol-lapd/[/b]. This is not info that came from Sony, this is not info that came from TMZ. This is info from the Murray case. Is it all again a coincidence, or did TS know in advance that there would be 30 witnesses showing up for the prelim?
TMZ also uses 'more than 2 dozen' which is kinda weird, since 2 dozen is only 24. Yet if you add up all the numbers in the article now (besides the date and time) you get 11. Eleven thirty. Call me a nutcase but in my book that again is no coincidence.
Great to see that this thread is now OPEN again -- This is the least TS deserved!
Thank you for pointing out the significance of the number 30, I totally agree that this likely refers to the 30 witnesses and is one more pointers to how much insight TS has got into the Hoax!
I however do not get the number 11 in the TMZ article... like Bec, I get 10. I also notice the number 70 in the article link (underlined above) and was wondering whether this may be a gentle hint to the 70 days cycles Bec pointed out to. (Unfortunately TMZ is still not working in the UK and I could not check other trials links to see patterns)
The 2 dozen will have a meaning, the question is which meaning? When I think about 12 and the Hoax, I think about the Bible where the number 12 is repeated numerous times. In the new testament we have:
- The twelve Apostles.
- The twelve foundations in the heavenly Jerusalem.
- The twelve gates.
- The twelve pearls.
- The twelve angels.
- The number of the sealed in Revelation 7:4 is 144,000 (12x12, 000)
With L.O.V.E
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I also get 10 now.. :? I must have been tired. Maybe I added the 1 of 10:00AM.
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I think a few things possibly need to happen before MJ bams
1. CM court case/prelim
2. Another CD?
3. CDS Shows
I will be really interested to see who the 30 witnesses are...also imagine if the the defense team change their argument from 'MJ killed himself' to 'We have proof MJ is alive' :lol:
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Does it mean we can get a full explanation about the messages you received from the begining, directing you (therefore all of us) to follow some theories?
I hope the dust settled, that is why I chose to unlock it again. I hope it can stay open.
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keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!
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keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!
Agreed that couldn't have come at a better time.
...and I just wanna say that I hope Elvis comes back along with MJ...by the way I just watched some Elvis movies that were on TV G.I Blues and Girls Girls Girls...loved it.
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huh jan. the 8th and no new post from ts.
would have thought he would at least send a card ;)
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huh jan. the 8th and no new post from ts.
would have thought he would at least send a card ;)
Yeah. Strange there is no new direct (yet) on Elvis' b-day.
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Would be nice if TS could predict whether Hat Man (and The Blonde Lady?) are attending a birthday party on the 8th of January.
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Did TS redirect or post last year on 1/8? I didn't see anything unless I'm not looking close enough.
In any case, thanks for the reminder about Elvis' birthday. I'm newly indoctrinated to all things Elvis :) and I didn't remember the significance of this date. Let's at least give a shout out to Elvis/Jesse ourselves and wish him Happy Birthday. We don't have to wait on TS for that.
On Linda Hood Sigmond's website, she says the following --and you can leave b'day messages there:
SATURDAY, JANUARY 8, 2011
http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53 (http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page53) (scroll down to bottom of page)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO JESSE!!!!
The following is the precept by which I hope to conduct myself on this web site in this New Year and every year.
Think on This ...
All knowledge is to be used in the manner that will give help and assistance to others, and the desire is that the laws of the Creator be manifested in the physical world.
Edgar Cayce Reading 254-17
Become part of the legacy.
Happy Birthday Elvis/Jesse. And thank you for guiding me to the books Leaves of Elvis' Garden and Impersonal Life. May God's Peace and Light shine on you forever. From SoldierofLOVE
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=16887&p=287701&hilit=Impersonal+Life#p287701 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=16887&p=287701&hilit=Impersonal+Life#p287701)
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Does anyone know what happened on December 14th regarding the Jesse/Eliza DNA hearing?? I have heard nothing about it.
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@ applehead where is that footage from?
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Does anyone know what happened on December 14th regarding the Jesse/Eliza DNA hearing?? I have heard nothing about it.
It's now set down for January 14th.
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Does anyone know what happened on December 14th regarding the Jesse/Eliza DNA hearing?? I have heard nothing about it.
It's now set down for January 14th.
Thank you..♥