Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2010 => Topic started by: curious1 on November 24, 2010, 12:16:10 AM
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I don't like to say "I knew it" but I knew this was going to happen. That was the reason why I asked TS to tell the Jacksons tweet a word that we chose. But many people jumped on me when I wrote that. They said: "TS has nothing to prove. He proved it with Jackson's tweet" etc. But today it is obvious where we are.
Anyways, if TS did what I offered, that could solve many confusion and problems. We would become sure of TS' authenticity and relation with the Jacksons. BUT was it going to be only us who would become sure of it? Michael did this hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He had very serious reasons to make it too. If he's not BAMming so soon, there's a very important reason for that. If TS did what I offered, that could put Michael's life in danger. I couldn't think of this possibility then. It looked like a good idea to me but definitely it wasn't. And plus, we know how Michael LOVES the MAGIC and MYSTERY. I'm sure that he doesn't like everything to be obvious. He likes to do his Magic in a Mysterical way. TS' mystery shouldn't surprise us since everything in this hoax is full of mystery. ;) And TS is our enemy's enemy. :) God bless you TS.
This is what I wrote on the other post. I thought that I should post it here too.
Okay I have tons of things to write. I hope I can put them all together in this post. I'm personally a skeptical person. I do not judge or ignore someone from the start but do not believe anyone blindly either. I prefer to wait what he's gotta say and then decide what to make of it. I must admit that I had doubts about TS' authenticity because of TMZ's articles about Michael. I found some of them very disrespectful and I couldn't believe why Michael would allow this if TMZ is on MJ's side. But when I have doubts I prefer to go to back, to the beginning and take a look what I had found till today. And I have to say that TS helped a lot in filling the empty spaces about the hoax. And no disrespect but to me, you guys are despise the things TS has done for us. I can not write or paste everything TS posted but how did you forget the times when you were reading his posts and thanking him, appreciating him? Did you forget all of it? Do not flatter yourselves that much like you found everything by yourselves. TS showed us many many things which were never ever found by ANY of us!!! How soon did you forget them all? Why don't you go and read his posts once more before you start to judge him like he's someone from Sony, a member of the murder plan etc. I know you read his posts many times but what will you lose if you read them once more?
I did think myself about the murder plot many many times. Whenever Randy tweets or when I see Mrs Jackson crying on tv, I question myself once more about all possibilities. I go back to the beginning of everything and think about it all. And finally everything brings me to the hoax at the end again and again.
Okay first of, if there's a murder, the family is definitely in on the murder plan too. Why? Here's my explanation. You guys say that AEG and Kenny Ortega arranged the memorial and the funeral, so they could put all the hoax clues there like the Liberian Girl pictures etc, right? And you say that Randy makes tweets about the murder plot, so the family can not be in on it, right? So why any member of the family asked why there was only Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and the funeral? They couldn't change the pictures? Why were everyone smiling, almost laughing behind the memorial backstage and also at the funeral? Sony-AEG paid money to everyone like friends and family to look happy just to make the fans believe that this is a hoax? Sony pays Joe Jackson to make him laugh so hard just a day after his son's death? Sony tells Katherine and Joe to wear the same outfits they wore during Michael's trials? And Sony pays Janet to make her forget where she was when she had heard about her brother's "death"? Sony also pays for Jermaine, and Latoya to make all those slip-ups? (Also the dancers, Larry King and so many people). Sony told Jermaine to make the annoucement at the hospital? The list goes on... Sorry but if this is a murder, then the family HAS TO BE in on it! Sony is a big company and they can be greedy but they can NOT establish all of these. At least without the help of the family members. And I do not believe MJ's family would kill him. If you believe that they could do it for money or fame, it's your opinion but I have to disagree with that wholeheartedly. Let's go on what else Sony is doing to make us believe to this "hoaxed hoax", ok? Sony is paying Akon and Teddy Riley too and that's the reason why they say Michael is alive. But guess what. The media started to call Teddy with this name: "INSANE PRODUCER". Is this his profit? And what's Akon's profit? Do they really need it? Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
I have to write a little about the numerology part of the hoax. You have to accept that Michael is into numerology. Nothing can change this fact even if you like or dislike it. Remember his 1998 autograph, remember his 2040 spaceship during the History tour? 2040= 25+06+2009!!! I know some of you dislike it but I want you to know that I'm terrible in maths too. But you do not have to be a mathematician to understand these. Let's begin with the 911 call. It was made definitely at 12:21 The end of the World. Sony decided for this call too? 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and it was 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09. Sony decided for this too? And ANY of the family members opposed to this idea? They didn't question why the funeral was delayed that long and why it was made on that day with a Full Moon in the sky? Sony decided for the autopsy report finalized on 9.9.9?
I have many things to add to this list. But I believe that these must be enough evidence to you guys to understand that this can not be a murder. If you believe the family is in on the murder, I've got nothing more to say to you. But it is not that hard to see the murder plan could never ever walk without the help of the family. And what a big waste of money and time Sony spends by getting the family members, friends and lots of companies into this murder plot! And why do they do this to look like a hoax? To make just a thousand of fans believe that this is a hoax and to make them buy the products. We were already going to buy everything related to Michael if he was really gone or was alive. Did Sony need to make it look like a hoax? And would Sony pay much much more money to earn just a few back? Would family make a deal with the killers of their son and brother? Would they say some of the songs are fake in the new album and sit back and do nothing against Sony?
I know that it's been too long and we're all tired and confused. But sometimes it is good to step back to move forward. Do not make a sudden decision, do not jump to conclusions. Go back to the beginning and think of every possibility once more. You will see the big picture. Michael is Alive and TS helped us a lot in understanding the hoax. Do not underestimate the information he has given us. I don't know where would we have been today without TS.
Peace and Love to all of you.
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I had a feeling that this would be a re-direct!! Now I'm creeped out again! :shock:
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Word.
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Amen
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Is this the only thing TS could come up with..? that redirect doesn't answer the questions he's been asked....
Is this the answer to the questions about Eliza's court case...?
So according to TS, Randy is an 'idiot' who LOVES to tweet a bunch of BS....? and of course Aeg,Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors enjoyed his tweets, just because everything is part of a hoax plan...... :roll:
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I took it as the answer to the question many seem to be posing: maybe we've been lied to about everything and maybe MJ is dead after all.
Which is akin to panicing and this post says take a deep breath and remember what you know to be true since the beginning. MJ is alive and this is a hoax.
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77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and it was 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09. Sony decided for this too? And ANY of the family members opposed to this idea?
I mean, come on.
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TS is simply all about trying to make US think for ourselves - thus, his post Do YOU think for YOURSELF?
Todays redirect just underlines that. Thanks, TS. Teach me :mrgreen:
EDIT: TS obviously forces us to make new brain connections in order to change our thinking patterns.
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Liberian Girl. Always remember Liberian Girl. She came in and she changed our world, just like in the movies.
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o still resting in my straightjacket...................this is all too complicated..........................x
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I love how people are opposing the Hoax without trying to explain all the "coincidences" and connections to the Jacksons etc... You can't do one without doing the other folks! :roll:
"Somethings in life they just don't wanna see..." - Michael Jackson
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Exactly jono, that is exactly what I am asking the opposers the last few days. If you suddenly oppose, then come with arguments and not just gut feelings, assumptions and theories.
TS gave the best answer available and he's no one's b**ch, take it or leave it. He didn't do anything wrong and didn't start this rant to begin with, this is all based on information that was long available and twisted and misunderstood words TS had nothing to do with.
Great post PureLove.
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Personally I've already replied to you Souza, many times yesterday, and I didn't base my replies on feelings and assumptions... TII movie is a FACT..... SONY connection is a FACT.. The Will, that put Branca and Mc Clain in charge, is a FACT... They are earning 10% of the estate profit is a FACT... They sold songs to SONY is a FACT.... Michael fired Branca is a FACT..... Randy said the will is fake is a FACT..... All other Randy's tweets are FACTS....
But which is the connection between TIAI and the Jacksons...? JUST one Tweet that doesn't prove anything.... "Army of Love" is something that MJ said himself, a few years before 06/25/2009, so it's not strange at all that the Jacksons are familiar with that term.
...and the fact that SONY released all these things doesn't mean it's a fact that MJ himself planned all those releases. That's just ASSUMING... or it's the truth just because TS said so....?
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I think there are too many people concentrating on the whole TS thing, whether he is or isn't genuine isn't what we're here to debate unless I'm mistaken. To suddenly assume he's on the dark side because Eliza's evidence may not be admissable isn't really his fault, he might not have all the info available to him or maybe he wasn't implying a huge connection to MJ. It was others who decided that Elvis and MJ must be connected based on what he said. And I know a lot of people lost faith when he posted about the double-BAM in the Summer and nothing happened, yet I don't remember then people accusing him of being involved in a murder plot. I still don't see how people are making that link, if he's just messing with us for his own entertainment that's one thing, but to assume he has been purposefully misleading us so we won't notice there's a murder cover-up going on? Puh-lease. :roll: We're now at the stage where all the previous clues are being ignored, not from him but from everyone else involved in this. The family, Kenny, Sony, TMZ, Coca-Cola, Oprah, Larry King...so everyone was in on it or we just imagined all those clues, twisting them to suit ourselves? I agree with you PureLove and jono, you can't have one without the other. I sometimes wonder if it's not just the non-beLIEvers who are being tested, right now I feel like I could change my name to TS (Test Subject). ;)
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This redirect has been a complete and full answer to understand TS´s position and aims regarding this hoax :lol:
The controversy has been faced. Now is up to "us" to decide to believe it or not.
Thanks for your answer TS :)
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Soooooooooooo, what´s next? :D
We were last time between Bahrein and JKF´s speech.
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Soooooooooooo, what´s next? :D
We were last time between Bahrein and JKF´s speech.
:lol: I just L.O.V.E. your positivity Gema. :D
So whats next in deed! Checking seat belts may be in order IMO :lol:
Love to all my MJFAM. ;)
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TS want to clarify that I never thought the Jackson family, SONY, TMZ, Kenny Ortega, Akon and Teddy Riley are all agreed on the "murder" of Michael, and that Sony is paying you all that I mentioned earlier for to believe otherwise, I find that ridiculous, I do not doubt the numerology, the parallels between Elvis and Michael, my perception that Michael is alive has not changed at all, my problem is the case of Eliza, as I said in several times, now I think that TS is not well and put much emphasis in this case it said the following;
TS wrote: In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
I believe that Mo's argument is not ridiculous, and a fodder that this TS in the duty to give an explanation and us to demonstrate that Mo this wrong
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Thank you for the redirect TS. It's all about seeing the big picture.
Puff and all others who started to oppose TS;
Like it or dislike it TS redirected to my post because it unfolds all the explanations about the confusion you have.
Do you think that I'm not confused with Randy's tweets or Eliza's case and all things going on about Oprah and the new album etc? I'm confused as hell. I don't have the answers about Eliza's case because that one seemed pretty suspicious to me from the beginning and I had a post about it on Elvis/MJ section of the forum. The first thing that confused me about Eliza was, she NEVER met that person who is suppose to be Elvis himself. If they're brothers and sisters, instead of emailing or mailing, why haven't they met even once? This is interesting to me. And second thing that confused me about Eliza was; I asked her if she had talked with Elvis about Michael's "death". And she told me that she never talked with him about Michael. But why? She knows about us and she knows that we think Michael hoaxed his death like Elvis. So why didn't she ask him about Michael?
I can not find any answers about Eliza and maybe TS thought that Eliza's DNA issue was true just like we thought it. So I can not blame TS about it.
About Randy's tweets and all other confusion we had; I believe that we need to think vice versa. We should think why Randy is NOT acting like the rest of the family but he acts like his brother really passed away. Let's suppose that Randy was also making slip-ups and giving clues like the rest of the family. Don't you think that it would be too obvious that Michael is alive??? There're thousands of people who scream Michael is alive and if the WHOLE family join them, what would be the enemies of Michael think about it? Don't you think that this would put his life in a big danger? As we know, Michael did the hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He has very serious issues to do it. And we're talking about NWO and illuminati, not a couple of gangstas. And he is "dead" to the world. That's how it needs to be looked like! If everyone in his family was giving out clues about the hoax, how could this "death" look real?
If you can find answers to what I wrote in my post that TS redirected to, then pls answer because I can not find any explanations to it. And I can not find any way of a murder plan without the family involved in it. Try to stop focusing on the dark side because that's just a small piece of the picture. Try to see it as a whole with the things I wrote.
And remember, Michael LOVES Mystery and Magic. Everything can not be too obvious in Magic tricks. ;) This is Michael's Magical Adventure. Let him do his magic. :)
I hope I could explain what I'm trying to say. I'm in a hurry. I have to get out and wrote this in a rush. Sorry for the typos or grammatical mistakes.
Keep the faith.
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TS want to clarify that I never thought the Jackson family, SONY, TMZ, Kenny Ortega, Akon and Teddy Riley are all agreed on the "murder" of Michael, and that Sony is paying you all that I mentioned earlier for to believe otherwise, I find that ridiculous, I do not doubt the numerology, the parallels between Elvis and Michael, my perception that Michael is alive has not changed at all, my problem is the case of Eliza, as I said in several times, now I think that TS is not well and put much emphasis in this case it said the following;
TS wrote: In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
I believe that Mo's argument is not ridiculous, and a fodder that this TS in the duty to give an explanation and us to demonstrate that Mo this wrong
No one said Mo was wrong about the fact that the evidence is not legal, but Mo was wrong when she said TS and the lawyer never provided us with that info. The lawyer put it the right way in his blog, TS linked to that blog. Because of that false assumption people started to doubt the complete hoax and everything we have been investigating for 17 months. THAT to me is ridiculous, not the info itself.
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Do you think that I'm not confused with Randy's tweets or Eliza's case and all things going on about Oprah and the new album etc? I'm confused as hell. I don't have the answers about Eliza's case because that one seemed pretty suspicious to me from the beginning and I had a post about it on Elvis/MJ section of the forum. The first thing that confused me about Eliza was, she NEVER met that person who is suppose to be Elvis himself. If they're brothers and sisters, instead of emailing or mailing, why haven't they met even once? This is interesting to me. And second thing that confused me about Eliza was; I asked her if she had talked with Elvis about Michael's "death". And she told me that she never talked with him about Michael. But why? She knows about us and she knows that we think Michael hoaxed his death like Elvis. So why didn't she ask him about Michael?
I can not find any answers about Eliza and maybe TS thought that Eliza's DNA issue was true just like we thought it. So I can not blame TS about it.
About Randy's tweets and all other confusion we had; I believe that we need to think vice versa. We should think why Randy is NOT acting like the rest of the family but he acts like his brother really passed away. Let's suppose that Randy was also making slip-ups and giving clues like the rest of the family. Don't you think that it would be too obvious that Michael is alive??? There're thousands of people who scream Michael is alive and if the WHOLE family join them, what would be the enemies of Michael think about it? Don't you think that this would put his life in a big danger? As we know, Michael did the hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He has very serious issues to do it. And we're talking about NWO and illuminati, not a couple of gangstas. And he is "dead" to the world. That's how it needs to be looked like! If everyone in his family was giving out clues about the hoax, how could this "death" look real?
So Randy is the 'idiot' who LOVES tweeting non-sense tweets just to deceive hoax believers..? He even named people in his tweets and Aeg,Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors enjoyed his tweets, just because it is part of a hoax plan...
You are dismissing Randy, and not only his tweets, because he doesn't make slip-ups.... Sorry, but that doesn't make sense at all....
I'd love to answer to this question -"how could this "death" look real?"- with another one.. You wrote, and TS approved it, that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox know about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I supported TS from the fist update..... I can't help, but I began look at his updates with different eyes..... Those things are there, and I'm questioning EVERYTHING....
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So Randy is the 'idiot' who LOVES tweeting non-sense tweets just to deceive hoax believers..? He even named people in his tweets and Aeg,Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors enjoyed his tweets, just because it is part of a hoax plan...
You are dismissing Randy, and not only his tweets, because he doesn't make slip-ups.... Sorry, but that doesn't make sense at all....
I'd love to answer to this question -"how could this "death" look real?"- with another one.. You wrote, and TS approved it, that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I supported TS from the fist update..... I can't help, but I began look at his updates with different eyes..... Those things are there, and I'm questioning EVERYTHING....
Hi Puff, I think you misread my post. I would like you to read it once more because I explained it. For you let me tell you once more. I never wrote that Randy is 'idiot' to tweet non-sense to deceive hoax believers. I said; Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups, don't you think that this would make the hoax too obvious??? I'm not dismissing Randy, on the contrary I'm thinking about all family members. And I'm explaining why Randy is acting like that. Pls re-read my previous post. And do NOT dismiss all other family member. ;) Remember how happy they looked just after the "death". Were they all so happy to lose their son and brother?
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
The answers to your questions are all in my previous posts. Pls just read them. :)
About Randy's tweets and all other confusion we had; I believe that we need to think vice versa. We should think why Randy is NOT acting like the rest of the family but he acts like his brother really passed away. Let's suppose that Randy was also making slip-ups and giving clues like the rest of the family. Don't you think that it would be too obvious that Michael is alive??? There're thousands of people who scream Michael is alive and if the WHOLE family join them, what would be the enemies of Michael think about it? Don't you think that this would put his life in a big danger? As we know, Michael did the hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He has very serious issues to do it. And we're talking about NWO and illuminati, not a couple of gangstas. And he is "dead" to the world. That's how it needs to be looked like! If everyone in his family was giving out clues about the hoax, how could this "death" look real?
If you can find answers to what I wrote in my post that TS redirected to, then pls answer because I can not find any explanations to it. And I can not find any way of a murder plan without the family involved in it. Try to stop focusing on the dark side because that's just a small piece of the picture. Try to see it as a whole with the things I wrote.
And remember, Michael LOVES Mystery and Magic. Everything can not be too obvious in Magic tricks. ;) This is Michael's Magical Adventure. Let him do his magic. :)
Keep the faith.
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Do you think that I'm not confused with Randy's tweets or Eliza's case and all things going on about Oprah and the new album etc? I'm confused as hell. I don't have the answers about Eliza's case because that one seemed pretty suspicious to me from the beginning and I had a post about it on Elvis/MJ section of the forum. The first thing that confused me about Eliza was, she NEVER met that person who is suppose to be Elvis himself. If they're brothers and sisters, instead of emailing or mailing, why haven't they met even once? This is interesting to me. And second thing that confused me about Eliza was; I asked her if she had talked with Elvis about Michael's "death". And she told me that she never talked with him about Michael. But why? She knows about us and she knows that we think Michael hoaxed his death like Elvis. So why didn't she ask him about Michael?
I can not find any answers about Eliza and maybe TS thought that Eliza's DNA issue was true just like we thought it. So I can not blame TS about it.
About Randy's tweets and all other confusion we had; I believe that we need to think vice versa. We should think why Randy is NOT acting like the rest of the family but he acts like his brother really passed away. Let's suppose that Randy was also making slip-ups and giving clues like the rest of the family. Don't you think that it would be too obvious that Michael is alive??? There're thousands of people who scream Michael is alive and if the WHOLE family join them, what would be the enemies of Michael think about it? Don't you think that this would put his life in a big danger? As we know, Michael did the hoax not for only entertaining purposes. He has very serious issues to do it. And we're talking about NWO and illuminati, not a couple of gangstas. And he is "dead" to the world. That's how it needs to be looked like! If everyone in his family was giving out clues about the hoax, how could this "death" look real?
So Randy is the 'idiot' who LOVES tweeting non-sense tweets just to deceive hoax believers..? He even named people in his tweets and Aeg,Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors enjoyed his tweets, just because it is part of a hoax plan...
You are dismissing Randy, and not only his tweets, because he doesn't make slip-ups.... Sorry, but that doesn't make sense at all....
I'd love to answer to this question -"how could this "death" look real?"- with another one.. You wrote, and TS approved it, that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I supported TS from the fist update..... I can't help, but I began look at his updates with different eyes..... Those things are there, and I'm questioning EVERYTHING....
Hi Puff, I think you misread my post. I would like you to read it once more because I explained it. For you let me tell you once more. I never wrote that Randy is 'idiot' to tweet non-sense to deceive hoax believers. I said; Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups. Don't you think that this would make the hoax too obvious??? I'm not dismissing Randy, on the contrary I'm thinking about all family members. And I'm explaining why Randy is acting like that. Pls re-read my previous post. And do NOT dismiss all other family member. ;) Remember how happy they looked just after the "death". Were they all so happy to lose their son and brother?
The answers to your questions are all in my previous posts. Pls just read them. :)
" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
You wrote:
Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... ;)
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Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... ;)
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
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I think Randy has his role in this like everyone else. I think instead of focusing on individuals we should be focusing on recent events. Akon is a hoax believer. Right? The first single released was a duet with Akon. Teddy Riley produced the album. Teddy Riley is a hoax believer. As far as we know. Now why would two of the only celebrities to publicly declare their belief that MJ is alive be SO involved with the first "posthumous" releases? Those who think Sony is involved in murdering Michael might say they are working for Sony to help perpetuate the myth of a hoax death in order to generate sales/hype. Well as far as I'm aware there aren't more beLIEvers than non-beLIEvers at the moment, not by a long shot. Assuming Akon and Teddy actually would do such a thing to someone they admired and respected. All that's happened is total CONFUSION. Opus None anyone? That was IMO not just an accidental release by an unscrupulous business partner of Katherine's. I think if this is the next stage of the hoax and it's ramped up a notch, we were warned. It's a rollercoaster on the way down and it's probably gonna get a whole lot scarier, we either let go or we hang on. I personally will be here till the end of the ride, otherwise it was pointless getting on. ;)
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" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
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Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... ;)
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
I don't know if you get my point..... that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death?? He could fight those things even without fake his death, if he has the support of these HUGE companies...
and how can be sure about that is the hoax purpose..? Just because Ts said so....? :geek:
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If we assume that all those companies are involved it doesn't mean the hoax wasn't necessary. To my mind it's about the media and exposing it for what it is, how it tells us what to think and how most blindly accept what they read or see without question. It's a massive wake-up call for those that still don't get it. And the history books will have to be re-written. I'm not a big follower of the whole NWO thing either Puff, even if I tend to think TS is probably genuine I don't follow everything he says as relevant, I think that's the whole point. We have to think for ourselves and decide based on what we interpret to be relevant, not what he or anyone else says is.
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Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... ;)
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
I don't know if you get my point..... that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death?? He could fight those things even without fake his death, if he has the support of these HUGE companies...
and how can be sure about that is the hoax purpose..? Just because Ts said so....? :geek:
Did we start beliving in this hoax because of TS? Well, I didn't. I think you need to go back to the beginning Puff and start thinking about everything YOU personally have found. Forget about what TS said or I said or others said. What have you found about the hoax till today? Personally I have a big hoax file on my computer where I saved many pictures and documents I have found about the hoax. When I feel myself confused, I open that file and check every clue once more. And trust me, I think off EVERY single possibility. I ask myself the questions I wrote which TS redirected to. If I could find answers to them, then I would be convinced that Michael was murdered and was gone. But I can NOT find any answers to them. And only and only the HOAX gives the answers.
About the companies involved issue; the whole company doesn't need to know about it. Just a few key people who decides about those commercials or films like directors would be enough to know about the hoax, don't you think? You say MJ could fight with those things without a hoax. I disagree with that. MJ tried to show the world the truth about NWO and illuminati with his songs, with his speeches but how many of us woke up with that? How many started to see the truth about the media, NWO and illuminati? Was it enough? NO! He had to do something BIGGER to wake up the WORLD! Today I know that so many people started to admire and love Michael because they started to realize who Michael was after his "death". They started to understand what his message is after his "death". And we're helping them to understand what his message is. He couldn't do this before his "death" and he knew that he needed to do something BIGGER! This was the "serious" part of the plan. And there is also a "show" part of the plan too. THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH part. He always wanted to SHOCK the world! Don't you think a death with a Resurrection would do it so well? ;)
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" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
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These companies don't necessarily know what is going on they are being used in some ways by Michael (and his team) as tools, as a means to reach the masses. How Michael is supposed to communicate with us and with the world? Really think about it. HOW? Especially now that he is "dead". As I have said in the other thread it is not about the money because I think this is a fear that people have, to be duped because of that but as PureLove said the records or other stuff most of us would have bought them without the need of a hoax and I don't necessarily buy everything I mean I still do what I want and people finally share what they have found here on the forum for everybody to know even those who don't have bought the material. We really have to think about the big purpose of the hoax and not let certain things make us blind. Well thanks PureLove for your brilliant post God bless you.
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" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
At some point we will have to face the enemy we are not going to fight in the forum. If they know this is not surprising. Michael is using them. They are digging their own grave metaphorically talking.
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Pure Love, great post. It's amazing how one overlooked point can cause all this commotion. It seems to me that some people just have it in their heads that it is a murder now and TS is fake and no matter what we say or what is presented in front of them, they will believe that. Going back and forth is pretty pointless right now. Maybe, something will happen and more information will slowly reveal itself and the answers to our questions will be answered. As the family keeps saying, "It will all come out" and the "truth will prevail." For now, I think it's best for us to agree to disagree and hopefully, one day, we will come together with the common purpose of love and truth in not only MJ's case but in our future as well. In the meantime, we can continue to try to connect the dots and get as much as we can in the moment.
I also want to make a few more points. There is nothing wrong with looking at things from both sides, remaining neutral can sometimes help with investigating, especially with this adventure where there are so many unanswered questions. I actually think it would be great if believers and non-believers alike can come together and respectfully, investigate this situation together. We may see things that the other side didn't see and vice versa. We may also gain clarity on things that we have questions about. However, I think it's pretty silly at this stage to dramatically swing from side to side depending on emotions or details in a case that, frankly, does not negate all the other evidence that we have been researching for more than a year. Some of us may wish to reexamine the evidence due to this overlooked fact about this case but it doesn't negate the factual evidence, the odd reactions from the family and all the knowledge that we've gained about ourselves and the world we are living in.
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Amen. ;)
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Sony is also paying to Coca Cola, 5Alive, McDonalds and all other companies that we have found the clues from! Plus Sony is paying to film companies to add some clues to make us think that MJ is alive! And the family is still supporting Sony because Jackie wrote about the "Unstoppable Train" in his tweets and we all know the train's number in the film which is Michael's Magical Number *777*!!!
and it means that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death??
I read your post, don't worry... ;)
Coca Cola, McDonalds and some other companies are on MJ's side and MJ is using them to send us clues. I think we know why MJ did this hoax, don't we? Do we need to go back to the beginning and start discussing it once more? To me, there's a "show" part of this hoax and a "serious" part of it too. As I wrote before MJ didn't do the hoax for entertaining purposes only. He had very serious issues to do it like illuminati and NWO.
I don't know if you get my point..... that coca-cola, mc donald's, SONY, 5Alive and EVEN 20th century fox knows about the hoax! If all those companies are also implied, why MJ had to fake his death?? He could fight those things even without fake his death, if he has the support of these HUGE companies...
and how can be sure about that is the hoax purpose..? Just because Ts said so....? :geek:
I have to add something to this. Just because all of the above companies mentioned seem to be apart of the hoax, does not mean they are "in on it". I happen to believe this is some kind of real life movie/game type of thing, and many people involved may not even realize they are involved. It might sound out there, but to me it doesn't because I've learned so much about how the universe works..the law of attraction, vibrational energy, etc. But I honestly think that some things are just happening "naturally" as they would if Michael were really dead. It has to be that way because in order to have a successful death hoax, you have to convince people that you're really dead.
Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
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Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
Ok, now his tweets are significant.... He wants justice for his brother and the truth about the people that would have killed him... BUT the family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, and Randy even named AEG in his tweets, but AEG is in the hoax, like SONY and others.. so WHO are Michael's enemies...?
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Also, nobody called Randy an idiot. And I think his tweets are very significant. If Michael faked his death, then it was to expose the truth about the people that WOULD HAVE killed him anyway. So even if Mike's not really dead, the point is to still expose these terrible injustices. So why wouldn't Randy still fight against these people? Not to mention, who says that every single family member has to know the the entire truth about it all? Isn't it possible that not everyone knows exactly whats going on? Clearly they all get their stories mixed up everytime they are asked. Maybe some of them aren't aware that he didn't really die and are acting normally for the state of truth they are in. We could argue for days about the morality in that, but I'm just simply looking at the big picture here. For this thing to be successful, some feelings may have had to get hurt.
But in the scheme of things, it is worth it.
Of course my interpretation of things could be completely off. My point is that there is more than one way to look at every situation, and we cannot know for sure about any of this. Therefore it is best to keep an open mind so that we have room for the truth when it decides to present itself.
Ok, now his tweets are significant.... He wants justice for his brother and the truth about the people that would have killed him... BUT the family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG, and Randy even named AEG in his tweets, but AEG is in the hoax, like SONY and others.. so WHO are Michael's enemies...?
I'm not saying anything about who's in on the hoax and who's not in on it. Quite simply because I don't know and neither do you. So I don't quite understand the point in these debates. There are so many possible combinations of details. For example, if Sony is "in on" the hoax...does that have to mean that the entire company and everyone who works there is in on it? I don't see why it has to be that way. Just like TMZ, is it possible that Harvey is the only one who knows anything? Sure, why not? That still makes TMZ apart of it, even if not everyone knows whats going on. When it comes to the hoax, are we dealing ith big companies and groups of people, or are we dealing with individuals who happen to be aprt of those groups? I don't know! That's my point, I don't know, none of us know, so we need to be open to anything. And yes, I am fully aware that I could be wrong about a lot of things, this could very well be something completely different than what we originally thought. But, that might not be the case either. It is not the right time to make that call.
Ok, now his tweets are significant....
I never said they weren't significant, I don't see why they wouldn't be significant. Everything means SOMETHING and I'm not about to say Randy is lying because I don't know. Yes, he could be knowingly playing a role as I stated above or he could be reacting naturally and isn't in the know about the hoax. OR Michael is dead and he's the only one who seems to care enough to speak about it. Again, many different ways to look at it.
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I think that it is time to move on, this discussion can be endless and last for months and nobody will agree. :D My advice would be to find an inking point for those who still doubt in order to be able to continue in this adventure. We all have that special clue, this evidence we are sure about where we can go back and rely on to give us faith and strength. One day it will all unfold and we will all be relieved. We have said it so many times but it is worth to be repeated.... the truth always prevails. I really believe in that. Blessings.
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" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
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These companies don't necessarily know what is going on they are being used in some ways by Michael (and his team) as tools, as a means to reach the masses. How Michael is supposed to communicate with us and with the world? Really think about it. HOW? Especially now that he is "dead". As I have said in the other thread it is not about the money because I think this is a fear that people have, to be duped because of that but as PureLove said the records or other stuff most of us would have bought them without the need of a hoax and I don't necessarily buy everything I mean I still do what I want and people finally share what they have found here on the forum for everybody to know even those who don't have bought the material. We really have to think about the big purpose of the hoax and not let certain things make us blind. Well thanks PureLove for your brilliant post God bless you.
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. :)
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Pure Love, great post. It's amazing how one overlooked point can cause all this commotion. It seems to me that some people just have it in their heads that it is a murder now and TS is fake and no matter what we say or what is presented in front of them, they will believe that. Going back and forth is pretty pointless right now. Maybe, something will happen and more information will slowly reveal itself and the answers to our questions will be answered. As the family keeps saying, "It will all come out" and the "truth will prevail." For now, I think it's best for us to agree to disagree and hopefully, one day, we will come together with the common purpose of love and truth in not only MJ's case but in our future as well. In the meantime, we can continue to try to connect the dots and get as much as we can in the moment.
I also want to make a few more points. There is nothing wrong with looking at things from both sides, remaining neutral can sometimes help with investigating, especially with this adventure where there are so many unanswered questions. I actually think it would be great if believers and non-believers alike can come together and respectfully, investigate this situation together. We may see things that the other side didn't see and vice versa. We may also gain clarity on things that we have questions about. However, I think it's pretty silly at this stage to dramatically swing from side to side depending on emotions or details in a case that, frankly, does not negate all the other evidence that we have been researching for more than a year. Some of us may wish to reexamine the evidence due to this overlooked fact about this case but it doesn't negate the factual evidence, the odd reactions from the family and all the knowledge that we've gained about ourselves and the world we are living in.
Thank you. I agree with you and I wish it could be possible that all believers and non-believers could investigate all together but non-believers are so sure that Michael is gone and they're waiting for the justice. They're waiting for the court days of Murray and that's all what they do. I have a couple of non-believer friends and I do know how they think and what they do. When people close their eyes and minds, there's nothing that can change their minds. I learnt this during these 17 months. All they see is, Michael is gone, Murray killed him. That's all. There's no way to open their eyes, I tried every single way but nothing changed.
Probably that's the reason why Michael sent Teddy to say that he is a believer. Maybe he thought that if someone who worked with MJ said that he believes, non-believers could wake up. But they started to bash him too. I lost my hope to change non-believers' minds about the hoax and I quit trying doing that.
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" Randy tweets like his brother is really dead because it would be so obvious if he tweeted like the rest of the family, giving clues or if he made slip-ups." it's like saying: Randy is the one who tweets THOSE tweets and make THOSE interviews just to deceive hoax believers...
Why would Randy tweet to deceive hoax believers? Then do all the other family members tweet to deceive Michael's enemies? Randy make those tweets and interviews etc to deceive Michael's enemies, to show the "death" is real. Because someone has to do it. Otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. That's what I'm saying.
So Randy tweets to deceive Michael's enemies, but don't you think that if Michael hoaxed his death they know about it? I remind you that this forum is public.
And if AEG, SONY, etc.. Are into the hoax then who are Michael's enemies? Illuminati are not abstract...
Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... ;)
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These companies don't necessarily know what is going on they are being used in some ways by Michael (and his team) as tools, as a means to reach the masses. How Michael is supposed to communicate with us and with the world? Really think about it. HOW? Especially now that he is "dead". As I have said in the other thread it is not about the money because I think this is a fear that people have, to be duped because of that but as PureLove said the records or other stuff most of us would have bought them without the need of a hoax and I don't necessarily buy everything I mean I still do what I want and people finally share what they have found here on the forum for everybody to know even those who don't have bought the material. We really have to think about the big purpose of the hoax and not let certain things make us blind. Well thanks PureLove for your brilliant post God bless you.
Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. :)
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank You PureLove and TS for this re-direct.
With L.O.V.E
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Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... ;)
Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati?
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I just want the ones who think that Sony murdered Michael to reply these simple questions.
-Why would Sony try to show his death like a hoax after murdering him?
*Weren't we all going to buy TII or the new album etc? The ones who don't believe in the hoax are buying every product related to Michael too. If this whole thing didn't look like a hoax to us, weren't we going to buy any new cds or films of MJ? Why would Sony bother to make it look like a hoax?
*The family members including Randy keep on saying that Michael was murdered and Randy gave some names like Sony, AEG etc. *
*They only sued AEG. Why not Sony?
-So why did the estate make a deal with Sony if they believe that Sony killed their son/brother?
-Then why don't they sue Sony if they think that Sony murdered Michael?
*The family says that Sony used a fake voice in the upcoming album. Randy and most of the other family members scream that Sony used a voice-like.
-So why don't they sue Sony about this issue too?
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Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. :)
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank You PureLove and TS for this re-direct.
With L.O.V.E
Thank you. I really do not understand why of a sudden people started to attack TS. I wonder if this was going to happen if the issue about Eliza's case was never appeared. Where were people's minds until Eliza's case? It really shocked me to see people like this. They can not find any answers to what I wrote in the first post but still question and hesitate if this is a hoax or a murder.
I had doubts about TS but I thought about every possibility and came to a conclusion that this is definitely a hoax which could only be created by Michael himself and TS is helping us in understanding the hoax. Nothing and noone can change my mind about it.
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Thank you for your post too. I personally do NOT buy the "Sony murdered Michael and made his death looks like a hoax" theory because it doesn't make any sense. The fans were going to buy the products already. Why would they bother to look the death like a hoax? As it seems nobody could answer the questions I asked, because only a HOAX created by Michael himself can answer the questions. There's no need to keep on talking and focusing on the same issues. Instead of focusing to a small piece of the big picture, we should try to see the entire picture. God bless you too. :)
I totally agree with you Sarahli and PureLove. There is no rational in creating a Hoax if you are covering up a murder! This is a very laughable theory indeed! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We are participants and spectators in the greatest show on Earth and TS is our guide...
Thank You PureLove and TS for this re-direct.
With L.O.V.E
Thank you. I really do not understand why of a sudden people started to attack TS. I wonder if this was going to happen if the issue about Eliza's case was never appeared. Where were people's minds until Eliza's case? It really shocked me to see people like this. They can not find any answers to what I wrote in the first post but still question and hesitate if this is a hoax or a murder.
I had doubts about TS but I thought about every possibility and came to a conclusion that this is definitely a hoax which could only be created by Michael himself and TS is helping us in understanding the hoax. Nothing and noone can change my mind about it.
I'm with you. I have opened up my mind to any possible senerio, but no matter what I do I still feel like this is a hoax. I always come back to the basics and I just can't imagine anyone other than Michael Jackson being able to pull this off. And I know money and power can do alot, but I'm talking about purity, goodness, some tough love, and creativity. And he has all those things PLUS money and power. He's only one person, but he's the only person I know who has the will and the resources to do this. He said himself that he could outthink Sony. Maybe he meant more by that than we thought ;)
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Eh. People are just freaking out.
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
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Awesome post, Bec. Couldn't agree more.
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@Bec. I'm standing on my feet behind this computer screen clapping, giving you a standing ovation with this post.
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Running with the Barnum/Elvis thing.
Cardiff Giant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant) Barnum wanted the Giant (which was an elaborate fake "petrified giant man") and offered to buy it from the man featuring it as a side show attraction. That man wouldn't sell to Barnum. So Barnum said whatever, F U, and made his own Cardiff Giant and billed it as the "real" one and said the other guy's was a fake. Well, the original Giant's owner got mad and sued Barnum for fraud, since Barnum's giant was a fake and he was billing it as "real". Barnum defended on the grounds that a fake of a fake isn't a fraud, and won. The case set precedence in the US legal system and stands today.
So... what IF (I do that a lot),
what if, back in the day, MJ pushed LMP for information about Elvis's death hoax and LMP wouldn't budge. LMP wouldn't say a word, refused to help, maybe even refused to say if Elvis was dead or alive at all (who knows, its irrelevant to this scenario), but MJ was not to be deterred. Maybe MJ went ahead with planning his death hoax anyway, and just linked the shit out of it to Elvis just to poke at LMP a little. Like I'm doing it with or without you. Nyah. Lol.
No legal loophole, like a get out of jail free card for MJ or anything on this particular Cardiff Giant tie in, just a fun little double link to this aspect (Elvis, alive or dead) of the hoax.
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sitting in my daughters room reading all of the post on this. she is watching good luck charlie. they just made a referance to music and me. :shock: :? :lol: :o he can't be gone because he is everywhere! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You know bec, whenever PT and sideshows are mentioned, my thinking goes straight to Professor Marvel from the Wizard of Oz (past, present and future...just like HIStory) and Mac & Jack's travelling sideshow in Say Say Say. "Roll up, roll up!" and be prepared to be entertained!! We are getting the full works..........
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Thank you, you don't need to remind me this forum is public. I already know that. I don't know if they know about it or not. But it is so obvious that Michael is trying to warn the world against illuminati and NWO. Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati? Sorry but it seems like you're beyond confused. You are lost.
Is so obvious? Why..?
The family made a deal? which deal..? Probably you really need to re-read something... ;)
Do you think Sony and AEG are illuminati? So you say that the family made a deal with illuminati?
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You know what S.O.N.Y means..? AGAIN WHICH deal they made with Illuminati...?
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I have been thinking about the Randy tweets.
Doesn't it make sens from a Hoax perspective that while Randy are in court (playing his part of the hoax) he might as well also write something about the case on twitter, right? Making it more believable.
And doesn't it also make sens to "blame" people who are already a part/aware of the hoax? People like Kenny Ortega, Estate Executors, AEG, Randy Phillips etc...
To me it just makes sens :) Just a thought!
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Eh. People are just freaking out.
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
You know what, Bec? So many times reading here, I've wished that I could be you when it comes to posting. There are ample differences between us, but I also see a lot of similarity to the way I think about the hoax- and the way I wish I could express myself here (though without all the profanity- I hate swear words ^_' ) Where I am, I swear, my Internet time is about the size of a dime. By the time I'm done reading everything, because I need to read before I post, there's barely any time at all to post anything, if there were more I would have signed up to the first forums there ever were, but there is just not enough time for me. Not to mention how much real brainpower I lack. But this post said pretty much what I would say if I could about the mood here lately. So, so great. It's just ridiculous for there to have been so much drama and unraveling lately, but hopefully the worst has passed. I pray that we come out on the other side of this hoax phase soon.
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I still looking for answers on the following:
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
- He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
- He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
- Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
- Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
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Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid.
Maybe she's a fake? Maybe she's not? We find out soon enough. I wouldn't believe any of these people at this point, why don't we just wait and see?
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PinkTopaz:You know what, Bec? So many times reading here, I've wished that I could be you when it comes to posting. There are ample differences between us, but I also see a lot of similarity to the way I think about the hoax- and the way I wish I could express myself here (though without all the profanity- I hate swear words ^_' )
bec? Profanity? :o I'd never have thought it possible!!LOL
Seriously though bec I think you're absolutely right. Keep watchin'. Wait it out and don't get in a tizzy over one thing that is a bit ambiguous. Just because we think we've interpreted everything right this far doesn't mean we have, we could've got so many things wrong. It's a ride worth staying on till the end for, otherwise what was the point of getting on?
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Eh. People are just freaking out.
We all pride ourselves on not having been fooled by what happened on 6-25-09, and not continuing to be fooled to this day, so I think each one of us, at one time or another in the course of the last 17 months, has had a shattering of confidence by discovering we were wrong about a concept along the line. And maybe ran around screaming to the hills about how we are all being fooled, THIS (x) is the TRUTH, we've been tricked! It's like our (a hoaxer's) greatest phobia.
I think deep breaths are in order, and let's all sit back and keep watching.
I don't mean to be cliche by using back's siggy phrase it just happens to fit the situation to a "t". I'm learning that when you watch, and observe, instead of assume and jump to conclusions, many things become apparent in the big picture. The ever present problem, of course, is continuing to find the patience month after month... after month... to keep watching and not start getting anxious and make rash proclamations that we've all been duped--there is no hoax--MJ is dead--eek!
I thought I had patience pre 6-25-09. This hoax is teaching me the TRUE meaning of the virtue.
MJ's live or dead status doesn't hinge on Elvis's live or dead status. I was comparing MJ's hoax death to Elvis's hoax death back in August of 2009 LONG before TS ever redirected to anything much less anything Elvis related. There are a ton of parallels between the two men and the circumstances surrounding their alleged "demise"s, none of which even bring up Eliza or Jesse or any DNA testing. Eliza and her story, in my opinion, is a diversion. A fun little curiosity. It's a sideshow. It's the Figi Mermaid. [Actually... that's fairly profound and I didn't think of it til now. Barnum reference, side show, Eliza Presley story, Elvis is alive, Figi Mermaid... follow me? Think of Barnum's definition between a hoax and a swindle, even if it's fake, does the customer walk away feeling like they got their money's worth in entertainment? That's a hoax, and that makes the public happy and leaves them wanting more. Or do they feel like they were tricked out of parting with their cash? That's a swindle, and leaves the public bitter about the exchange.]
So, when you freak out in your vocation as a hoaxer, are you sorry you ever started hoaxing? Do you think this whole thing was a massive waste of time and energy? Do you wish you had never followed that damn white rabbit down that damn rabbit hole? Then fine, walk away now, don't waste another minute on it. Only thing worse then a mistake is a mistake you keep repeating.
But if you feel as I feel, that even if MJ really is dead (he's not) and this was all a giant fabrication of our collective minds fueled by corporate greed(it's not), all of us, from all over the world, brought together into a giant web based melting pot, sharing ideas, stories, theories, facts, perspectives, fears, hopes, dreams, and worries....... I am still a better person for it at the end of the day and I wouldn't trade the last 17 months of my life for all the riches in the world.
So whatever. Who cares about Eliza or her DNA evidence. In my opinion, It doesn't mean a thing in regards to the truth about MJ or TS. It's just a sideshow off the midway to eek and leer and gawk and look and then move on.
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
We all haven't been doing this for the last 17 months because we've been asleep or anything. Be confident. We haven't missed anything.
AMEN!!! Bravo sis!!!
This murder/conspiracy/MJ is actually dead and the family is fooling us for money, thing has been debunked to death for ages. All we are doing is rehashing the same old long ago rock solid, iron clad theories and again we end up at hoax, same as last time, and the time before that, and the time before that, and...
DOUBLE AMEN TO THIS PART! :D
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*Mo* wrote:
I still looking for answers on the following:
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
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Very interesting post bec.
The Elvis connection was so obvious from the beginning .... it was strange to me how people ignored it.
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Wow, this is a great post!!
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*Mo* wrote:
I still looking for answers on the following:
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
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*Mo* wrote:
I still looking for answers on the following:
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
Bec, I simply asked questions. Every question about TS is immediately overloaded with answers, except for these ones. "Maybe" and "let's wait and see" are the only answers I have seen so far. That means I'm not the only one who's wondering about this.
I never said MJ is dead, I never said MJ was murdered and I never said TS is a fake, yet it's assumed that I think he's dead, TS is covering up a murder and I'm done with the hoax. It sure is interesting to see how people interpret my posts and jump to conclusions while the only thing that caused all this is me posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
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posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
This is right. When i read about it (somewhere)I thought it was an opinion of some sort, not a fact.
So, I am still a bit confused. Was TS who wrote that those tests were not admisible for court or was the lawyer? (http://freecutemsn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/green-smiley-dizzy.gif)
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
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posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
This is right. When i read about it (somewhere)I thought it was an opinion of some sort, not a fact.
So, I am still a bit confused. Was TS who wrote that those tests were not admisible for court or was the lawyer? (http://freecutemsn.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/green-smiley-dizzy.gif)
Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
The lawyer presented the facts (evidence not having proof of chain of custody) and TS linked to that blog. So all of that information was presented the right way and this whole questioning TS because of this is because people missed some important information months ago.
What we learn from this is both things you mentioned + that people start a hate-campaign towards others after being provided with distorted information. Look at the diversion of the board, all because people simply don't read the info that was given to them. Learning point here.
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Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
Gema, I just posted facts, something which was obviously needed as it's proven by the many highly surprised reactions that people didn't know. That's all I did, and whatever everyone wants to do with it is the people's own responsibility.
It is however important to thoroughly investigate all the evidence that's offered to us.
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@Souza
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
What I meant was if this Eliza´s case is the proof that the court system can be used even if "evidence" is not supplied according to the law. As happened when the Arvizo case or when Neverland got the raid. The second one was based on suppositions that MJ was a child molester..so they broke in to his safe :?
Also, What happened to Mociennes court case?
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Also, what should we take/ learn from this case? That people can go to court wih no proofs, as happened with MJ and Arvizo? , or that the law can do anything with no proof, as happened when Neverland was raided?
Gema, I just posted facts, something which was obviously needed as it's proven by the many highly surprised reactions that people didn't know. That's all I did, and whatever everyone wants to do with it is the people's own responsibility.
It is however important to thoroughly investigate all the evidence that's offered to us.
Well, I will start using a lexicon first :lol: and also, from now on, I will take a load of coffee as soon as an extensive TS post comes up again.
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@Souza
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Also, What happened to Mociennes court case?
Vanished into thin air. Cut out of the movie?
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@Souza
The info even if was read, it was not understood properly and I think that it happened because of the lenght of TS´s posts. Too much info to digest, even for a native English speaker.
It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Right on my front :lol: I think I quit for today...i am totally mixed up.
Also, What happened to Mociennes court case?
Vanished into thin air. Cut out of the movie?[/quote]
Her case was also interesting and "more" connected to MJ ;)
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It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Again, for those who can understand:
Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information. Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:
"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."
As we know by now this is not possible, and is therefore misleading information.
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"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."
That sentence to me sounds like an opinion, not a fact.
This is one of the reasons why I got surprised that the tests were taken in that way and the evidence came from people not proving their id.
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*Mo* wrote:
I still looking for answers on the following:
TS is very persistent on the Eliza Presley court case, yet in his last post on 9/9/2010 he states that Elvis/Jesse STILL has Linda Hood Sigmon as an informer. It's known as from December 2009 that Linda doesn't support the ongoing court case anymore because Jesse asked Eliza to stop, and Eliza refused. Then why did TS suggest we'd get some media attention for her court case and, why did he encourage and support the twitter and email rallies?
In my opinion there are just two options:
1.He's not very familiar with all of Linda's website and didn't know Linda stopped supporting the case because Jesse asked Eliza to drop it.
2.He did know, but decided that the end justifies the means.
Both options raise more questions:
•Option 1 leads to the question: Can one guide the hoaxers according to MJ's plan when one's not completely familiar with a case of which one insists is a very important part of the MJ hoax?
•Option 2 leads to the question: Why would MJ willingly go against Jesse's wishes, just to serve the purpose of is own hoax, by jeopardizing the safety and well being of a man he greatly admired?
This is the confusion that I have for several days
I don't think it's as overly simplistic as you are presenting it Mo. Maybe there's more to the story. Maybe there's reasons that we don't understand yet. Maybe TS knows the whole thing is a fake and this IS the test and he's making a point.
But I'm still not understanding how you can think TS is a fake considering the connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, AND the estate without saying MJ is dead using the murder theory, which, as we've discussed at length, in widely held opinion based on critically tested long standing theory, is completely nonsensical.
Because if you're saying TS is a fake with connections to TMZ, Sony, the Jacksons, and Sony, (but not MJ), and was developed for product advertisement, then you're saying that MJ is dead, and if MJ is dead, considering the Murray connection, you're looking at murder, and by all appearances Sony would be under suspicion considering what they stood to gain... but now I'm just theorizing in circles.
Please correct me where I'm going off track Mo. I'm thoroughly confused on how you're arriving at this catastrophic chain of events in belief.
Bec, I simply asked questions. Every question about TS is immediately overloaded with answers, except for these ones. "Maybe" and "let's wait and see" are the only answers I have seen so far. That means I'm not the only one who's wondering about this.
I never said MJ is dead, I never said MJ was murdered and I never said TS is a fake, yet it's assumed that I think he's dead, TS is covering up a murder and I'm done with the hoax. It sure is interesting to see how people interpret my posts and jump to conclusions while the only thing that caused all this is me posting facts about the inadmissible DNA evidence Eliza Presley submitted in court which we all, except for Souza, seem to have overlooked.
I guess I'm just not understanding how you can present a theory without connecting the remaining dots as I explained. A theory at this stage of the game is a fairly involved process considering all the information we have, so to present something so counter-intuitive as this is great... but only if you go all the way with it... and I cannot find a clear path of dots to connect without involving long ago debunked theories.
So I understand what you're saying, but please understand me as well. One man's conclusion jump is another man's dot connecting and you've lost me.
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TS wrote :In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
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TS wrote :In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
Sorry, but when things are not clear what is best to give an explanation, I personally would like to know TS insisted that both the case of Eliza, the explanation allows us to eliminate the problematic nature of things, we've all been in situations life in which we had to explain, especially when something is not clear enough or not understood, .. and if it is to think for myself, I'm doing, and that's why I wanted an explanation of TS.
You're right Paula. Some sort of explanation would be nice although I'm not really expecting one yet. We all know Michael is alive, we're the ones who "get it" and have learned so much in the last 17 months. I think TS has given us the opportunity to logically come to a conclusion (or very good idea) of what's going on - with the hoax, in the world, and what is really important in life.
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It wasn't in TS' post, it was in the lawyer's blog and explained the same way as Mo did. What I am saying is that people should read before they judge. The lawyer was attacked for distorting the facts while he didn't and provided us with the right information. So I have no problems with the info posted again, I have a problem with the way it was presented.
Again, for those who can understand:
Whatever way you look at it, probate lawyer Andrew Mayoras did post misleading information. Although he wrote about the Chain of Custody:
"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples."
As we know by now this is not possible, and is therefore misleading information.
You missed some information again. I posted earlier that you are mixing up things. A chain of custody and proof of a chain of custody are two different things.
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@paula, TS doesn't provide explanations until it's time for an update. I expect this situation will be no different.
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:( I want to cry. I need to see him and hug him. He is and he isn't here with us :(
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:( I want to cry. I need to see him and hug him. He is and he isn't here with us :(
I'm not MJ but I want to HUG you my friend. I don't know you but I can feel your sorrow. I don't know you but I can feel your love for the same man I'm in love with. I don't know you but I know that we are here for the same reason. I don't know you but you're my friend on this journey. So I'm giving you big HUGS and saying that I Love You.
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Thank you, Purelove. Hugs to you too. And..let's hope that he comes.
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:( I want to cry. I need to see him and hug him. He is and he isn't here with us :(
I'm not MJ but I want to HUG you my friend. I don't know you but I can feel your sorrow. I don't know you but I can feel your love for the same man I'm in love with. I don't know you but I know that we are here for the same reason. I don't know you but you're my friend on this journey. So I'm giving you big HUGS and saying that I Love You.
How precious is that? I give you big hugs to Melana, and I do feel your pain sweetie. I think so many do, because I get email from all over the world from people that don't even come to this site. And they all feel the same, and have some amazing stories. But one has to ask the question "why" after almost a year and a half, does it still hurt so badly. And I have come to the definitive conclusion that it is only because of the fact that Michael is here and there exists seperation anxiety. One person put it very plainly, "the world will NEVER be right until we can see and hear him again" That is such a big burden on his shoulders but none the less I feel she could have been right.
If Michael had passed on 6/25 there would have been a sense of release and closure, at some point, but so very many still sense his closeness, but can't see him or hear his voice and since there can be no closure as in a passing, we still so strongly feel grief and pain of serperation from a man that is loved beyond what anyone has ever known. (just my thoughts) WE are NOT Alone!!!!
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You are so right Navibl...there's no closure...exactly! Hugs to you too and thank you for your nice comments :)
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Thank you, Purelove. Hugs to you too. And..let's hope that he comes.
Hope so Melena. If he doesn't come back, some part of me will be missing forever. Sending so much LOVE to you my friend.
How precious is that? I give you big hugs to Melana, and I do feel your pain sweetie. I think so many do, because I get email from all over the world from people that don't even come to this site. And they all feel the same, and have some amazing stories. But one has to ask the question "why" after almost a year and a half, does it still hurt so badly. And I have come to the definitive conclusion that it is only because of the fact that Michael is here and there exists seperation anxiety. One person put it very plainly, "the world will NEVER be right until we can see and hear him again" That is such a big burden on his shoulders but none the less I feel she could have been right.
If Michael had passed on 6/25 there would have been a sense of release and closure, at some point, but so very many still sense his closeness, but can't see him or hear his voice and since there can be no closure as in a passing, we still so strongly feel grief and pain of serperation from a man that is loved beyond what anyone has ever known. (just my thoughts) WE are NOT Alone!!!!
Thank you for this beautiful comment navibl. And I agree with you and agree with the person who said "the world will NEVER be right until we can see and hear him again". It's so true. I can feel his presence with all my heart. I know that he is here with us. It's just hard not to see his beautiful smile, not to know how he is doing. I miss him so so much. Words are never enough to express how I feel. Sometimes I find myself crying because it's been more than a year and I just need to know how he is, if he's fine or not. I need to see his beautiful face. Thanks God that I have a family like you that I can share my feelings, my sorrow, my tears, and my happiness. I'm hoping to share the BIGGEST HAPPINESS with you all when Michael COMES BACK TO US! Sending Hugs and Love to you both and to my family.