Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Fake News (MJ Edition) => Topic started by: Sinderella on November 10, 2010, 08:37:09 PM
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Source:http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/julie-burchill/julie-burchill-sight-of-next-jackson-generation-makes-me-pine-for-the-x-factor-2130620.html
Michael Jackson has been dead for more than a year but there was a stir of echoes recently when, to mark the forthcoming release of the first new material since he bowed out, both his children and father spoke up from their different sides of the grave.
The children – so light-skinned that they resemble the result of an illicit liaison between Nicole Kidman and Casper The Friendly Ghost – were cool, calm and collected as they paid tribute to their dear old dad who, despite his habits of dangling babies over balconies and having sleepovers with rug-rats, turns out to have been just plain folks at home. "He tried to raise us without [us] knowing who he was, but that didn't go so well... I kind of felt like no one understands what a good father he was," Jackson's daughter Paris told Oprah Winfrey, touchingly. "I'd say he was the best cook ever. He was just a normal dad, except he was the best dad."
Meanwhile, Jackson's own dad, the horrifying Joe, popped up like a Demon King, also on Oprah, to recommend the strap as a surefire way of keeping one's kids on the straight and narrow. On hearing that MJ's children are now living with their grandmother, the long-suffering Katherine, I did wonder whether that meant this slap-happy old maniac had access to them and whether the reason MJ might have made them wear masks was to keep them safe from their own grandpa as much as from the prying eyes of Looky-Lous.
And despite seeing the darker side of fame played out on their father's poor ruined face, they told Oprah they plan careers in showbiz – Paris, 12, as an actress and Prince Michael (good try, but not as classy as his uncle Jermaine's son's name: Jermajesty), 13, as a director.
I've noticed this about showbiz dynasties. The parents always give interviews about how lonely it is in the limelight, and how they were just going about their business helping puppies cross the road when the Fame Fairy came down and thrust herself upon them, and how civilians don't understand the pressure (of being caked in make-up and having their photo taken on a daily basis – sort of like being a brain surgeon crossed with a coal miner, pressure-wise) and how they'd give it all up like that for a little house on the prairie and true love.
Then they have a kid – and for all their talk about paparazzi intrusion they thrust that tot into the spotlight as soon as it can scribble its childish scrawl on the dotted line. Look at Madonna – boasting recently about how strict she's been with her 13-year-old daughter Lourdes, never letting her watch television and forbidding such fun teen pastimes as hair-dying and hottie-dating. But she's bragging about her daughter's alleged down-to-earthness at the launch of their junior clothing line, Material Girl, at Macy's.
The message is clear; life beyond showbiz is barely worth living and the best start you can give your brats is to make sure they stay firmly within the limits of the plush playpen. All across the trashy/classy scale, from the ghastly Osbournes to the vile Redgraves, this rule holds – no wonder popular culture often seems so exhausted and uninspired, weighed down as it is by so much lucky sperm and afterbirth washing around.
In light of this the recent hysteria about the authenticity of TV talent shows seems naive and reactionary to say the least. The X Factor, far from being some sort of imperialist Zionist plot, is one of the few places where the unconnected, non-famous-named performer can actually be heard. It doesn't matter who goes home or who stays; if they have a voice, chances are they'll have a career at the end of it.
If he was alive, it's pretty certain that Michael Jackson would be appearing on the season finale; as it is Prince has been tempted out of retirement. To be sung off the stage, no doubt, by Rebecca Ferguson – not Sting's or Adrian Edmondson's or Jools Holland's daughter for a change, but an artiste of amazing skill and promise who, without The X Factor, would probably get no nearer to fame than handing back some dumb WAG's dry cleaning.
Ruled by Etonians as we are once more, with social mobility slowed to an all-time low, the sense of entitlement for the few and jam tomorrow for the many hanging over this country like a suffocating smog slips away, for a few hours on a Saturday night, for a handful of people who would otherwise be condemned to spend their lives doing boring jobs that Kelly Osbourne and Jade Jagger would be far more suited to. You'd have to be a real lemon-sucking killjoy – or else the spawn of a useless mob of free-loading no-marks with a famous name – not to get that.
Someone wanna pass me a bat?
If all it takes to be called a 'journalist' in 2010 is to write some lies and bitter jealous remarks about someone you have ZERO knowledge of then I know plenty of people who are in the wrong career.Half of facebook should be writing articles for the media.
Julie B....you are a disgusting excuse for a human being.
That is all.
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Somebody swallowed one doozy of a bitter pill.
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Wow, I barely skimmed through that ignorant tabloid BABBLE...
Hey, Ms. JULIE...? ;) ;) ;)
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)
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Give her unlimited refills.
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Give her unlimited refills.
LOL!!! Yeah!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8-)
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this is what i call a
"dipping her pen in her a** before writting anything" journalist
We should all send her some brand new toilet paper, because obviously it spreads all over the desk...
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Who needs to have a bachelors in journalism when you have an ingrade of a journalist like that one. lol
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I think journalists saw Michael as a deer in open season, like they were kids in a candy shop, trying to outdo each other with how creatively they could butcher, smear, bully, stomp. But like in the best stories/movies the more evil the protagonists/villians, the more brightly shines the hero/good person(s). So keep on blabbering you gullible, yellow journalists, you will play into the hands of the one you hate.
And yes drink! :lol:
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As soon as I got to the Casper/Nicole Kidman bit I seriously disliked this woman. If Prince, Paris and Blanket are porcelain white then my kids must be transparent because they are WAY darker than mine. That didn't even make sense. Someone else who thought he bought white children to order. Julie Burchill is well known in my country but this is the first time I've read any of her "work". I haven't been missing anything.
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As soon as I got to the Casper/Nicole Kidman bit I seriously disliked this woman. If Prince, Paris and Blanket are porcelain white then my kids must be transparent because they are WAY darker than mine. That didn't even make sense. Someone else who thought he bought white children to order. Julie Burchill is well known in my country but this is the first time I've read any of her "work". I haven't been missing anything.
It's 100% slander and I honestly don't know how these kinds of people don't fear for their safety on a daily basis.
Does she think because she is writing for what is supposedly a high class newspaper which is mainly bought and read by snotty nosed upper class people that she can actually just write this garbage and it be in some way humerous to them in their little world of perfectness.
Well,Julie you aren't so perfect yourself are you....lets have a look shall we...
Julie Burchill
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Julie Burchill (born 3 July 1959, Frenchay, Bristol) is an English writer and columnist known for her provocative comments,she has written for newspapers such as The Sunday Times and The Guardian. She is a self-declared "militant feminist".She has several times been involved in legal action resulting from her work.
Julie Burchill was born in Bristol, England to working class parents. "Her father was a Communist union activist who worked in a distillery. Her mother had a job in a cardboard box factory.She did not attend university.
Burchill was briefly married to Tony Parsons (whom she met at NME), She left three years later, leaving behind a son. Her relationships, particularly with Parsons, have featured regularly in her work. Parsons wrote that "It's like having a stalker. I don't understand her fascination with someone whom she split up with 15 years ago.Burchill married Cosmo Landesman,with whom she also had a son. The sons from her marriages with Parsons and Landesman lived with their fathers after the separations. After splitting from Landesman, she subsequently married again.
In 2009 she said that she was only attracted to girls in their 20s, and since she was now nearly 50, "I really don't want to be an old perv. So best leave it.
Burchill has spoken repeatedly and frankly of her relationship with drugs, writing that she had "put enough toot up my admittedly sizeable snout to stun the entire Colombian armed forces".[4] She declared that "As one who suffered from chronic shyness and a low boredom threshold ... I simply can't imagine that I could have ever had any kind of social life without cocaine.
Burchill is known for her contentious prose – in her own words, "the writing equivalent of screaming and throwing things-For Michael Bywater, Burchill's "insights were, and remain, negligible, on the level of a toddler having a tantrum"(sounds about right).
Burchill has made frequent attacks on various celebrity figures, which have attracted criticism for their cruelty.On the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's assassination in 2005 she told the Guardian "I don't remember where I was but I was really pleased he was dead, as he was a wife-beater, gay-basher, anti-Semite and all-round bully-boy
So the answer is no.
From that I got this;she grew up in a not so wealthy,lower class household,she is rather uneducated for someone who is writing at such a high position,is a serial bride,questionable because it is RARE for children to be given sole custody to their fathers,her ex husband called her a stalker,she's an in the closet bisexual,a self confessed coke addict with no personality,an ugly heart and tongue,behaviour like a spoilt brat and in general not a very nice woman.
I see ABSOLUTLEY no room for her to be writing ANYTHING about anyone looking at that rap sheet above.
Jealous of his children having a better life than you she probably will ever have?
Just a little bit me thinks.How embarrassing, being jealous of children.
Talking of children,where are hers?Oh....wait.......not with her.
MJ got to keep his because he was innocent...she must of really impressed the courts when trying to keep hers so much so they gave BOTH to their dad's.
She might be glad that John Lennon is dead but at least people mourned him...can't say anyone will be doing the same for her.
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Go Sinders!!! ;) What I took from that bio, "leaving behind a son" implies she didn't want custody but chose to leave her child, then did it again with another relationship. I know there are women who do that and some have understandable reasons, but in this case I think it goes to show she has no right to judge any parent. I pity her sons, I know someone whose mother walked out on her as a young child and it has seriously screwed up her life. Julie Burchill's sons obviously are better off with their fathers. Maybe we should complain en masse to The Independant now too! They are thought of as being high-end especially compared to The Sun but this just goes to show that the hate and ignorance is STILL going on. We need to stand up and fight them. Michael could never sue/denounce every lie that was written about him, that would have been a full-time job. We can make sure they no longer get away with it though if there are enough of us to be heard.
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Go Sinders!!! ;) What I took from that bio, "leaving behind a son" implies she didn't want custody but chose to leave her child, then did it again with another relationship. I know there are women who do that and some have understandable reasons, but in this case I think it goes to show she has no right to judge any parent. I pity her sons, I know someone whose mother walked out on her as a young child and it has seriously screwed up her life. Julie Burchill's sons obviously are better off with their fathers. Maybe we should complain en masse to The Independant now too! They are thought of as being high-end especially compared to The Sun but this just goes to show that the hate and ignorance is STILL going on. We need to stand up and fight them. Michael could never sue/denounce every lie that was written about him, that would have been a full-time job. We can make sure they no longer get away with it though if there are enough of us to be heard.
Oh.I'm going..haha.
Her children sound like they are better off with their fathers than a coke snorting bitch like her.I wouldn't want her as a mother.Imagine how you would turn out...
Usually the mother is given part custody even if they don't really want it because they are the mother and those bonds don't come from just a father,so they do it for the children, so for her to get none..and leave not one but two..at different periods of time..is quite absurd.
I think it is something that we,as believers,fans,friends,family,whatever of Michael have the right and duty to do for him.If writing an email to Julie Burchill telling her what we think is one small part of being a voice for him,giving something back to him for everything he has given all of us,then lets do it.Isn't that what being in an army is all about?
The justice side do it on a daily basis,write,call,email,txt,tweet,you name it..and although they are full on annoying and get it wrong 90% of the time(i'm not going on a rant about them i've already done a huge one in another thread somewhere) they rally their troups and get involved.
So lets do it.
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And to write all this shit to be 5 years in a university.. that lost of time :?
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Even if she had gone to university I think she'd be as ignorant as she is now. Education does not always equate with wisdom. Two different things. People who go to university can be just as prejudiced or even more than those who don't. How they get away with writing this junk is beyond me, they must assume that it's the opinion of their readers and therefore what they want to hear. Ms Burchill is going to get a VERY strongly worded e-mail in her inbox tonight, I will be restrained but it won't be easy!! :evil:
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I stopped reading from the Casper and Nicole Kidman kids :roll:
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What sucks right now is it's not just the tabloids being so vile against Michael. It's now broadsheets too. The independant, The guardian etc. I used to like these papers. Now I can see that even broadsheets report crap for their own agendas. This suprises me from the independant though as it is supposed to be unbiased. Shame on the reporter and shame on the independant for passing this article.
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The kids remarks were just out of context. The kids have a skin that surely gets sun tanned very easy, one can see that. And Blanket is not especially a pale kid.
That article was design to make readers angry.
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Even if she had gone to university I think she'd be as ignorant as she is now. Education does not always equate with wisdom. Two different things. People who go to university can be just as prejudiced or even more than those who don't. How they get away with writing this junk is beyond me, they must assume that it's the opinion of their readers and therefore what they want to hear. Ms Burchill is going to get a VERY strongly worded e-mail in her inbox tonight, I will be restrained but it won't be easy!! :evil:
Indeed they can,I agree education is not the be all and end all,Richard Branson never went to university.But then he didn't try to become a media journalist and write shit like this.
They are SUPPOSED to be objective when writing and correct to a suitable % or to best of their knowledge.That is what a degree in journalism is meant to instill in you,clearly doesn't always work but that is why people who want to go into writing articles mainstream spend years doing a BA in it.
I pointed out her lack of education because she never even got A levels,which come BEFORE the degree so therefore she is 50,writing up articles about world issues and celebrities whom she has never even met and she is doing all this... educated to the level of a 16yr old and it's baffled me.
Was not a dig at anyone who hasn't gone to uni in general.
She can't have met the children or she'd know they are bi-racial and not white.
Why restrain yourself?I won't be holding anything back from her.
If she can give it,she is going to have to take it 100x back.
What sucks right now is it's not just the tabloids being so vile against Michael. It's now broadsheets too. The independant, The guardian etc. I used to like these papers. Now I can see that even broadsheets report crap for their own agendas. This suprises me from the independant though as it is supposed to be unbiased. Shame on the reporter and shame on the independant for passing this article.
Agreed.Write the paper an email as well.
The kids remarks were just out of context. The kids have a skin that surely gets sun tanned very easy, one can see that. And Blanket is not especially a pale kid.
That article was design to make readers angry.
It worked.And it wasn't just the remarks on their skin colour, it was the comments on Michael incase you didn't read that far down
despite his habits of dangling babies over balconies and having sleepovers with rug-rats, turns out to have been just plain folks at home
So,all in one article we have
Racist comments about his children's skin-implying they aren't black so..aren't his
implying he is a bad father and once again bringing up the balcony incident-she needs to see the one from years before clearly..
Bringing up the children staying over at neverland.Calling them rug rats equates to implying they were babies he had 'sleep overs' with.
Bashing his family
I just want to knock her the fuck out tbh.
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What sucks right now is it's not just the tabloids being so vile against Michael. It's now broadsheets too. The independant, The guardian etc. I used to like these papers. Now I can see that even broadsheets report crap for their own agendas. This suprises me from the independant though as it is supposed to be unbiased. Shame on the reporter and shame on the independant for passing this article.
Agreed.Write the paper an email as well.
Oh don't worry, I will be!
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Right.This creature has really got me frothing at the bit. She has dissed my two favorite guys now. I'd like to see her lose her job. How disgusting to state publicly that your glad someone is dead. I hope the Army of L.O.V.E. can act on this as well.
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Even if she had gone to university I think she'd be as ignorant as she is now. Education does not always equate with wisdom. Two different things. People who go to university can be just as prejudiced or even more than those who don't. How they get away with writing this junk is beyond me, they must assume that it's the opinion of their readers and therefore what they want to hear. Ms Burchill is going to get a VERY strongly worded e-mail in her inbox tonight, I will be restrained but it won't be easy!!
Trustno1 I do not say it for his degree of culture, say it for that there are people or rather, journalists who believe that this journalist title that they gave to them in some university gives them the right to slander and defame the persons
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Right.This creature has really got me frothing at the bit. She has dissed my two favorite guys now. I'd like to see her lose her job. How disgusting to state publicly that your glad someone is dead. I hope the Army of L.O.V.E. can act on this as well.
Do it,raise that voice and type that email,you're part of that army.... bring the rain for Michael
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Right.This creature has really got me frothing at the bit. She has dissed my two favorite guys now. I'd like to see her lose her job. How disgusting to state publicly that your glad someone is dead. I hope the Army of L.O.V.E. can act on this as well.
Do it,raise that voice and type that email,you're part of that army.... bring the rain for Michael
The best way to raise our voice against this type of journalism would be to raise a formal complaint against the Independent - and possibly OFCOM - is this what you have in mind Sinderella?
With L.O.V.E
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Right.This creature has really got me frothing at the bit. She has dissed my two favorite guys now. I'd like to see her lose her job. How disgusting to state publicly that your glad someone is dead. I hope the Army of L.O.V.E. can act on this as well.
Do it,raise that voice and type that email,you're part of that army.... bring the rain for Michael
The best way to raise our voice against this type of journalism would be to raise a formal complaint against the Independent - and possibly OFCOM - is this what you have in mind Sinderella?
With L.O.V.E
Bring The Rain 114 up, 10 down
"Bring the rain-When you call massive artillery or strikes to a specific target"
I do have that in mind yes,I have in mind the side of the believers giving it back to these absurd ill informed people/media sources starting now and kicking some serious ass.
With all that is going on with the album,snippets being released,Breaking News,game..i say that lightly as that is one to watch-cirque show,etc Michael's name is going to be coming back as a subject for discussion on a daily basis.
We cannot allow people like McKenzie and this troll Julie to get away with slander and unprofessional conduct towards him!!
He is on vacay time atm so we are his voice-his family aren't doing much to protect his name and legacy, the other side of non believers are still fighting amongst themselves as to who is the best fan because they managed to con the most $$$ out of his fans by painting rocks of love(do not get me started on those) and so we must be it.
Also look at it this way,when Michael does return he is going to be facing these people...worse than these people writing worse things about him so while he is gone...lets back him up now and when the time comes they will know he has back up.
So yeah...lets send formal complaints to those who are there to deal with them (Y)
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OOOH! Here it is!
This is what needs to happen in order to complain about this article:
1. The UK press is loosely bound by the Press Complaints Commissions Editor’s Code of Practice
http://www.pcc.org.uk/
2. In order to complain you need to either feel a form on line (It took me a couple of minutes see website link above) or send them an email at
j.hari@independent.co.uk (http://mailto:j.hari@independent.co.uk)
4. A copy of my complaint below so that you can paste it if you wish to do so
Dear Madam or Sir,
I am writing to formally complain about Julie Burchill totally unprofessional portrayal of Michael Jackson and his children in The Independent in her column entitled Sight of next Jackson generation makes me pine for ‘The X Factor’ published on the 11th.
Julie Burchill's comments on Michael Jackson and his children are inaccurate, biased, cruel, and in breach of Clause 1 of the Press Complaints Commissions Editor’s Code of Practice.
Clause 1 on Accuracy includes the statements:
• The Press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.
• A significant inaccuracy, misleading statement or distortion once recognised must be corrected, promptly and with due prominence, and – where appropriate – an apology published.
• The Press, whilst free to be partisan, must distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact.
The Independent failed to take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures.
Burchill wrote: “The children – so light-skinned that they resemble the result of an illicit liaison between Nicole Kidman and Casper The Friendly Ghost -were cool, calm and collected as they paid tribute to their dear old dad who, despite his habits of dangling babies over balconies and having sleepovers with rug-rats, turns out to have been just plain folks at home. "He tried to raise us without [us] knowing who he was, but that didn't go so well... ” Burchill is blatantly questioning the integrity of Michael Jackson children and insinuating that Jackson himself was a love rat – on which ground please?
This is also insinuating that Michael Jackson children are white as ghost, this is insulting to the children and a total mis-representation of the reality. Has Burchill not noticed the children tanned complexion?
The Independent failed to distinguish clearly between comment, conjecture and fact.
Burchill’s comments were patently not justified by the context. She wrote: “And despite seeing the darker side of fame played out on their father's poor ruined face, they told Oprah they plan career in showbiz”. Burchill has got no ground to assume on the state of Michael Jackson’s face and no right in assuming what the children saw or did not see. This is fiction not journalism and is misleading in the context of the Oprah interview.
This is totally unacceptable and I am seeking formal actions from The Independent on this matter. Propagating lies is not what I understand the media to be about. The Independent needs to obey by the editors code and publish an apology about this totally inaccurate portrayal of Michael Jackson and his Children.
I would appreciate to be kept informed of the status of this complaint.
Yours Sincerely
xxxxxxxxxxx
Souza/Mo - Do you wish to do anything through the Army of Love again?
With L.O.V.E
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OOOH! Here it is!
This is what needs to happen in order to complain about this article:
1. The UK press is loosely bound by the Press Complaints Commissions Editor’s Code of Practice
http://www.pcc.org.uk/
2. In order to complain you need to either feel a form on line (It took me a couple of minutes see website link above) or send them an email at
Complaints @pcc.org.uk
3. I also believe that it is worthwhile to send an email to the columnist editor of The Independent: Johann Hari
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Oohhh indeed lol I can be quite empowering when I get into it haha.
Thanks for the emails and links RunningGirl =]
I suggest filling the online form out,sending the email to both J.Hari and the complaints emails and saving it as a draft for future letters that will surely need to be written the more that Michael is talked about over the coming months.
Regarding the arm of love part,do you mean send out a mass message to all members on this forum like for the McKenzie complaint ?If so that would be an awesome step forward with it.
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I'll send a personal complaint as well. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
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I'll send a personal complaint as well. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Well,you are the voice for the silent..it's all on you
haha :P
<3
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I hope everyone is doing this for Michael...
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Anyone heard back or got a 'thanks for your email' email?
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Anyone heard back or got a 'thanks for your email' email?
Nope I got nothing :|
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Source:http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/julie-burchill/julie-burchill-sight-of-next-jackson-generation-makes-me-pine-for-the-x-factor-2130620.html
Michael Jackson has been dead for more than a year but there was a stir of echoes recently when, to mark the forthcoming release of the first new material since he bowed out, both his children and father spoke up from their different sides of the grave.
The children – so light-skinned that they resemble the result of an illicit liaison between Nicole Kidman and Casper The Friendly Ghost – were cool, calm and collected as they paid tribute to their dear old dad who, despite his habits of dangling babies over balconies and having sleepovers with rug-rats, turns out to have been just plain folks at home. "He tried to raise us without [us] knowing who he was, but that didn't go so well... I kind of felt like no one understands what a good father he was," Jackson's daughter Paris told Oprah Winfrey, touchingly. "I'd say he was the best cook ever. He was just a normal dad, except he was the best dad."
Meanwhile, Jackson's own dad, the horrifying Joe, popped up like a Demon King, also on Oprah, to recommend the strap as a surefire way of keeping one's kids on the straight and narrow. On hearing that MJ's children are now living with their grandmother, the long-suffering Katherine, I did wonder whether that meant this slap-happy old maniac had access to them and whether the reason MJ might have made them wear masks was to keep them safe from their own grandpa as much as from the prying eyes of Looky-Lous.
And despite seeing the darker side of fame played out on their father's poor ruined face, they told Oprah they plan careers in showbiz – Paris, 12, as an actress and Prince Michael (good try, but not as classy as his uncle Jermaine's son's name: Jermajesty), 13, as a director.
I've noticed this about showbiz dynasties. The parents always give interviews about how lonely it is in the limelight, and how they were just going about their business helping puppies cross the road when the Fame Fairy came down and thrust herself upon them, and how civilians don't understand the pressure (of being caked in make-up and having their photo taken on a daily basis – sort of like being a brain surgeon crossed with a coal miner, pressure-wise) and how they'd give it all up like that for a little house on the prairie and true love.
Then they have a kid – and for all their talk about paparazzi intrusion they thrust that tot into the spotlight as soon as it can scribble its childish scrawl on the dotted line. Look at Madonna – boasting recently about how strict she's been with her 13-year-old daughter Lourdes, never letting her watch television and forbidding such fun teen pastimes as hair-dying and hottie-dating. But she's bragging about her daughter's alleged down-to-earthness at the launch of their junior clothing line, Material Girl, at Macy's.
The message is clear; life beyond showbiz is barely worth living and the best start you can give your brats is to make sure they stay firmly within the limits of the plush playpen. All across the trashy/classy scale, from the ghastly Osbournes to the vile Redgraves, this rule holds – no wonder popular culture often seems so exhausted and uninspired, weighed down as it is by so much lucky sperm and afterbirth washing around.
In light of this the recent hysteria about the authenticity of TV talent shows seems naive and reactionary to say the least. The X Factor, far from being some sort of imperialist Zionist plot, is one of the few places where the unconnected, non-famous-named performer can actually be heard. It doesn't matter who goes home or who stays; if they have a voice, chances are they'll have a career at the end of it.
If he was alive, it's pretty certain that Michael Jackson would be appearing on the season finale; as it is Prince has been tempted out of retirement. To be sung off the stage, no doubt, by Rebecca Ferguson – not Sting's or Adrian Edmondson's or Jools Holland's daughter for a change, but an artiste of amazing skill and promise who, without The X Factor, would probably get no nearer to fame than handing back some dumb WAG's dry cleaning.
Ruled by Etonians as we are once more, with social mobility slowed to an all-time low, the sense of entitlement for the few and jam tomorrow for the many hanging over this country like a suffocating smog slips away, for a few hours on a Saturday night, for a handful of people who would otherwise be condemned to spend their lives doing boring jobs that Kelly Osbourne and Jade Jagger would be far more suited to. You'd have to be a real lemon-sucking killjoy – or else the spawn of a useless mob of free-loading no-marks with a famous name – not to get that.
Someone wanna pass me a bat?
If all it takes to be called a 'journalist' in 2010 is to write some lies and bitter jealous remarks about someone you have ZERO knowledge of then I know plenty of people who are in the wrong career.Half of facebook should be writing articles for the media.
Julie B....you are a disgusting excuse for a human being.
That is all.
I totally agree. I am all for freedom of speech, however any journalist or person for that matter that elects to write an article should be able to present that article without including statements that deter from the actual subject. Make sense? LOL
I think what bothers me the most is that anyone that chooses to write about people, tend to forget words CAN & DO HURT.
Sure, in this case celebs are used to being slammed, but that does not mean it doesn't have an impact on them.
In this case, particularly, I find it to be very mean spirited to attack the children. I wonder if people that write articles about children realize the impact it has on that child? I wonder if they really, truly realize it can change the way they think about people?
We all want to believe that some will rise above such attacks & some do, but as proven with Michael, some do not.
Perhaps we can take this letter as a lesson to us all to be kinder to one another & realize that words hurt people & there shouldn't be the need to be cruel in order to get our points or opinions across to one another.
I cannot imagine what articles these children may or may not read now or in the future. I do know that it will hurt them, even if they try to ignore it. Hopefully, since Michael was forced to endure so much, they will be able to forgive those people & move forward in a positive light.
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Anyone heard back or got a 'thanks for your email' email?
Nope I got nothing :|
Nope :|
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Anyone heard back or got a 'thanks for your email' email?
Nope I got nothing :|
Nope :|
I got an acknowledgment by the PCC that my complaint had been received and asking me to provide a hard copy of the article. Nothing since then.
Same with the ITV one, I got a complaint number from OFCOM and nothing since then... but I understand they took the video with the part under complaint from their website!
Lets see!
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I got one back from the PCC to say they had recieved it and asking to provide either a link to the online article which I gave or post a hard copy.
I have sent them the link again and from what I understand it may take up to 7days as that is the time given to provide the article.
This week should give some sort of response to what has been sent as it will have been a week since it was written.Just keep on top of it and if nothing I will happily keep emailing everyone involved until they do something :)
No rest for the wicked ;)
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I just got an answer back from ITVs Mark Sunderland. Here it is:
Thank you for your letter, which has been passed on to me for response.
We are very sorry that you were offended by the comments made by Kelvin McKenzie on This Morning on 9 November. We accept that his comments about Michael Jackson caused offence to some viewers, which we regret.
However, when Mr McKenzie gave his opinion on the safety of children formerly in the care of Michael Jackson, and referred to the well known allegations that were made about him, the programme’s presenter Philip Schofield did point out immediately that Michael Jackson was not found guilty in relation to those allegations, and that no-one knows that any children in his care would be at risk. Following Mr McKenzie’s further comment that Michael Jackson’s children will have a better life without him, Philip challenged him again, and said the children would obviously disagree with Mr McKenzie’s “tough words”. He also invited viewers to give their views on Mr McKenzie’s comments, making clear that these were not expressed by the programme but by Mr McKenzie in a personal capacity. Later on in the programme, a comment was read out from a viewer who strongly disagreed with Mr McKenzie’s views.
Although we acknowledge Mr McKenzie’s comments were offensive to some viewers, they were challenged and contextualised immediately by the presenter. In the context of a spontaneous live discussion about a highly controversial (and deceased) celebrity, arising from a talking point in the news (namely the Jackson children’s recent TV interview with Oprah Winfrey), we consider that the programme overall exhibited balance. Whilst we appreciate that some viewers, particularly fans of Michael Jackson, would strongly disagree with Mr McKenzie’s personal opinions, we do not agree that the programme was inaccurate as such (as the comments were clearly expressed as opinion) or that it breached generally accepted standards. Overall the presenters and the other contributor (Lesley Joseph) were supportive of the children’s decision to be interviewed and stated that they were well-adjusted and had expressed their love for their father.
Thank you for taking the time to contact ITV.
Yours sincerely
Mark Sunderland
Head of Legal Compliance
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So, as I expected he talks about a 'balanced' airing ... :? What I can't stand is how much time and words they invest to water everything down, justifying everything just to make the reader feel he/she's not in the right.
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I have now received a personal reply from the PCC. The main element of it are highlighted below. To summarise:
1. The PCC will usually only upheld a complaint of this type only if it is raised by people who are directly affected. In this case the Jackson Family would need to do so
2. Only under exceptional circumstances where Public interest can be demonstrated, would a third party complaint be considered
3. I have been given the option to call the PCC to discuss their feedback (and will do so) and raise a third party complaint, I however believe that the family getting involved is the most likely way to reach a positive outcome and get the Independent to issue apologies.
Please do let me have your thoughts. I personally would like to see the family getting involved to put more waits on this complaint and get apologies issued. To go through the third party complaints route is most likely to get nowhere; there will need to be an exceptional public interest! (their words... not mine!)
Dear xxxxxx
Thank you for your complaint about the Julie Burchill article in the Independent about the children of Michael Jackson. We have received a number of complaints.
I should emphasise that the PCC will normally only consider complaints from people who are directly affected by the matters about which they are concerned. Indeed, only in exceptional circumstances will the Commission consider a complaint from someone not directly involved.
Additional information about third party complaints can be found here: http://www.pcc.org.uk/faqs.html#faq4_7 (http://www.pcc.org.uk/faqs.html#faq4_7)
You will note that the Commission does, occasionally, decide to waive its third party rules in situations where an exceptional public interest can be demonstrated. I would be happy to ask the Commission to consider waiving its normal rules and considering the matter – would you be able to outline your argument for it to do so? The Commission will then decide whether it wishes to take your complaint forward.
If you would like to discuss your case before replying please do contact us.
A copy of the Code of Practice which all newspapers and magazines who subscribe adhere to, can be accessed using this web link: http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html (http://www.pcc.org.uk/cop/practice.html)
Our aim is to resolve all complaints that raise a possible breach of the Code amicably and quickly. It might be useful if I therefore set out a number of points about our procedures.
- As part of a full and fair investigation we must ensure that each party to a complaint is able to see and comment upon what the other has to say.
- The Commission has a commitment to deal with all complaints as speedily as possible. It expects both complainants and newspapers – and their representatives, legal or otherwise – to cooperate with that commitment. Any unreasonable delay on either side may be taken into account by the Commission.
- We will usually send a copy of each letter of complaint to the editor even if the complaint does not raise a breach of the Code. It is important that editors are aware of criticisms of their publications. Similarly, any substantive decision made by the Commission under the terms of the Code will be sent to the editor.
- The Commission is not able to deal with all complaints. Some of the circumstances in which we may not be able to pursue a complaint are set out on our website.
- It is possible that the Commission may find that your complaint does not amount to a breach of the Code. If this is the case we will explain to you why the Commission took this decision.
- If, at the end of the process, you are dissatisfied with the manner in which your complaint has been handled, you should write within one month to the independent Charter Commissioner who will investigate the matter and report any findings and recommendations to the Commission. Further details are included on our website.
Further information about the complaints process can be accessed using this web link: http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/process.html (http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/process.html)
Information about our service commitments to complainants can be accessed using this web link: http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaint/charter.html (http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaint/charter.html).
Further information about the PCC can be found on our website http://www.pcc.org.uk (http://www.pcc.org.uk) .
Do not hesitate to contact us if you need further advice. When you write to us, please quote our reference number on this email.
Yours sincerely
Simon Yip
Administrator
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I will go look in my inbox now to see if I got the same.
It isn't fabulous...BUT...it's a start!!
I think a good idea would be to get Taj involved,he's direct family.
You will note that the Commission does, occasionally, decide to waive its third party rules in situations where an exceptional public interest can be demonstrated. I would be happy to ask the Commission to consider waiving its normal rules and considering the matter – would you be able to outline your argument for it to do so? The Commission will then decide whether it wishes to take your complaint forward.
Are you down to take it further with me and outline our argument?and in the meantime get Taj on the case xo
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I will go look in my inbox now to see if I got the same.
It isn't fabulous...BUT...it's a start!!
I think a good idea would be to get Taj involved,he's direct family.
You will note that the Commission does, occasionally, decide to waive its third party rules in situations where an exceptional public interest can be demonstrated. I would be happy to ask the Commission to consider waiving its normal rules and considering the matter – would you be able to outline your argument for it to do so? The Commission will then decide whether it wishes to take your complaint forward.
Are you down to take it further with me and outline our argument?and in the meantime get Taj on the case xo
Yes! Absolutely. Maybe worthwhile to reach to the brothers and sisters as well. I am also wondering who this Jackson PR team (referred to in the PCC email) is and why they DID NOT act on this.
With L.O.V.E
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I will go look in my inbox now to see if I got the same.
It isn't fabulous...BUT...it's a start!!
I think a good idea would be to get Taj involved,he's direct family.
You will note that the Commission does, occasionally, decide to waive its third party rules in situations where an exceptional public interest can be demonstrated. I would be happy to ask the Commission to consider waiving its normal rules and considering the matter – would you be able to outline your argument for it to do so? The Commission will then decide whether it wishes to take your complaint forward.
Are you down to take it further with me and outline our argument?and in the meantime get Taj on the case xo
Yes! Absolutely. Maybe worthwhile to reach to the brothers and sisters as well. I am also wondering who this Jackson PR team (referred to in the PCC email) is and why they DID NOT act on this.
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I think it would be extremley worthwhile!
Well,I did see a comment from someone who asked for a post to be removed due to it being wrong info and it came from a member who appeared to be from some sort of external source so i'll go find that again and see if he/she is part of the PR team,if not...google and my phones contact list are going to be busy tonight haha.
Then we can ask them if they are even aware of the article which they should be as they should be checking news sources every day for new articles referencing his name and if not..give them the article,our emails etc and get to running Julie Bullshit into the ground.
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I stopped reading from the Casper and Nicole Kidman kids :roll:
Me too...after that remark, I knew where she was going with this....next! :roll:
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I stopped reading from the Casper and Nicole Kidman kids :roll:
Me too...after that remark, I knew where she was going with this....next! :roll:
Nono,not next...JB needs to be dealt with.You can't just ignore these people because they are the ones who have ruined his life since day 1 and since he is absent atm,anyone who can,needs to stand up for him.
It was hard to read past those remarks but we are taking this as high as we can,read the posts above.
Julie Burchill isn't going to be very sorry she wrote that entire thing.Believe.
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I will go look in my inbox now to see if I got the same.
It isn't fabulous...BUT...it's a start!!
I think a good idea would be to get Taj involved,he's direct family.
You will note that the Commission does, occasionally, decide to waive its third party rules in situations where an exceptional public interest can be demonstrated. I would be happy to ask the Commission to consider waiving its normal rules and considering the matter – would you be able to outline your argument for it to do so? The Commission will then decide whether it wishes to take your complaint forward.
Are you down to take it further with me and outline our argument?and in the meantime get Taj on the case xo
Yes! Absolutely. Maybe worthwhile to reach to the brothers and sisters as well. I am also wondering who this Jackson PR team (referred to in the PCC email) is and why they DID NOT act on this.
With L.O.V.E
I think it would be extremley worthwhile!
Well,I did see a comment from someone who asked for a post to be removed due to it being wrong info and it came from a member who appeared to be from some sort of external source so i'll go find that again and see if he/she is part of the PR team,if not...google and my phones contact list are going to be busy tonight haha.
Then we can ask them if they are even aware of the article which they should be as they should be checking news sources every day for new articles referencing his name and if not..give them the article,our emails etc and get to running Julie Bullshit into the ground.
Agreed! In theory they should be checking news sources on the regular basis but this one may have gone through the cracks as it was a column item! First step is to understand whether they were aware of it and next whether they want to take action. If they don't want to take action, what we can achieve through formal channels will be limited. I also have PR "supply" who have got a thing about MS BS uneducated arrogant perspective on life... that goes far beyond MJ.
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I think it would be extremley worthwhile!
Well,I did see a comment from someone who asked for a post to be removed due to it being wrong info and it came from a member who appeared to be from some sort of external source so i'll go find that again and see if he/she is part of the PR team,if not...google and my phones contact list are going to be busy tonight haha.
Then we can ask them if they are even aware of the article which they should be as they should be checking news sources every day for new articles referencing his name and if not..give them the article,our emails etc and get to running Julie Bullshit into the ground.
Agreed! In theory they should be checking news sources on the regular basis but this one may have gone through the cracks as it was a column item! First step is to understand whether they were aware of it and next whether they want to take action. If they don't want to take action, what we can achieve through formal channels will be limited. I also have PR "supply" who have got a thing about MS BS uneducated arrogant perspective on life... that goes far beyond MJ.
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They should if they are any kind of decent PR team...I will reserve judgement atm but they should well be on top of all new articles,especially regarding his children.
Yes,so find the people in the know is step 1 and make everyone who needs to know aware of this woman's trash.
I can't imagine why they wouldn't when it is blatent racism,slander and blasting Michael and his children.
Taj will have something to say i'm sure.
Let's pool resources and see what we can work with
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I stopped reading from the Casper and Nicole Kidman kids :roll:
I did too, :evil: :twisted: :evil:
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Enraging yes,but we're working on it ;)
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Enraging yes,but we're working on it ;)
Sinderella - see other thread for some of the actions being taken.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=15668&p=267163#p267163
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Enraging yes,but we're working on it ;)
Sinderella - see other thread for some of the actions being taken.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=15668&p=267163#p267163
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Noted and commented on :)
I will put the same here
I have taken this and added my own which I will put up asap and the article/reply from PCC etc...basically all of what has been sent/recieved and sent it to Taj
I will be busy all day/night as it's my birthday but on Friday I will send it to whoever I can get a contact for via my own sources and see where we are all up to with it x
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Will get back to working on this asap this week x