Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => June 25, 2009 => Carolwood Drive, Events & Statements on/About June 25 => Topic started by: MFFreedom on November 09, 2010, 10:49:49 AM
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I know this is somewhat old but still I have to bring it up as it still bugs me:
We all know, Kai Chase was the chef. Paris told us now, that he was the best cook, Mike did the best breakfast. Alright. MJ LOOOOVED having breakfast with his kids. There were quite some people (whose name I can't remember) that stated, he would have made room whenever possible to have the meals with his kids. That makes 3 meals a day when he was around.
OK. Let's assume now, they would have BF somewhere around 9 AM.
Even if Mike got home late, it still is a strange situation in my eyes that he begged Murray for help to sleep at exactly 10.30 AM, having his kids in the house who are used to having the meals with their father. Would he let that out? Even IF he doesn't eat a lot while preparing for a tour :?: I am sure he would at least want to sit down with them and have his healthy juice with them. There is just something wrong with the picture of possible his children sitting at the bf table waiting for their father and not questioning anything.
To ask someone for help to get some sleep at 10.30 AM when the next rehearsal is set for around noon gives me the chills and has already shortly AFTER 6-25-09. This just doesn't add up. It is not logical.
What we have been told fits more likely a person living ALONE in that house with the luxury of being able to sleep in ... well, an anasthesia isn't really sleeping, is it :?
But when Mike loved so much spending time with his kids and even cooking for them, then the time 10.30 AM for another nap REALLY is WAAAYYY off.
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Very good reasoning. I did think about it a lot myself. What a weird time to go to sleep!! And it's not just the eating routine, but think of the rehearsals..they usually started in the afternoon and would end late at night. So you'd think maybe 2.30am would be the appropriate time :?:
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Exactly, 2.30 AM I would say would be somewhat logical.
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You guys thing one show one statement , you don't what she was talking about she could have met when they were living in vegas before they came back to LA, You act like you are going to learn so much from one air showing. I thought you people are intellingent.
Wake up.
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I think Michael was the kind of father that would sit at breakfast every morning with his kids.
No matter what.
Chappie
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I think Michael was the kind of father that would sit at breakfast every morning with his kids.
No matter what.
Chappie
This I also think!
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You guys thing one show one statement , you don't what she was talking about she could have met when they were living in vegas before they came back to LA, You act like you are going to learn so much from one air showing. I thought you people are intellingent.
Wake up.
Our reasoning is not based on one air showing. It is based on the known fact that the "death" occurred around noon (supposedly after MJ had been put to bed). So we're trying to understand why he would wanna go to bed at such strange time. The bfast routine is just another piece of the puzzle. So please don't make judgements like that before you read properly what's been said.
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Very good reasoning. I did think about it a lot myself. What a weird time to go to sleep!! And it's not just the eating routine, but think of the rehearsals..they usually started in the afternoon and would end late at night. So you'd think maybe 2.30am would be the appropriate time :?:
Well, here's the "official" explanation for why 2:30 am didn't happen and 10:30 am did. :roll: (They needed to come up with something to prop up the whole Propofol OD story.) From the search warrant affidavit:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161944 ... hael.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619446/20090825/jackson_michael.jhtml)
June 22: Two days prior to his death, Murray attempted to wean Jackson from propofol by giving him a lower, 25 milligram dosage, along with anti-anxiety drug Ativan (lorazepam) and the sedative Versed (midazolam), which successfully got Jackson to go to sleep.
June 23 Leaving the propofol out, Murray gave Jackson Ativan and Versed, which helped Jackson get to sleep.
June 25, approx. 1:30 a.m.: Again leaving out the propofol, Murray gave Jackson a 10-milligram tablet of Valium.
2 a.m.: Unable to sleep, Jackson was injected with 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV by Murray.
3 a.m.: With Jackson still awake, Murray gave the singer 2 milligrams of Versed through an IV.
5 a.m.: Jackson was still not asleep, at which point Murray gave him another 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV.
7:30 a.m.: Murray administered the still restless Jackson another 2 milligrams of Versed in his IV. During this entire sequence, Murray reportedly told investigators, he was at Jackson's bedside monitoring him with a pulse oximeter connected to the singer's finger to measure his pulse and oxygen statistics.
10:40 a.m.: After repeated requests and demands from Jackson, Murray finally gave him 25 milligrams of propofol, diluted with the local anesthetic lidocaine through the IV drip to keep Jackson sedated. The lidocaine, which Jackson referred to as "anti-burn," is used to counter-act the typical burning sensation at the site of the propofol injection. Jackson finally went to sleep, and Murray told police he continued to monitor the pop star.
10:50 a.m.: Murray got up to go to the bathroom.
10:52 a.m.: Murray returned and noticed that Jackson was not breathing. The doctor began CPR and injected .2 milligrams of Anexate, a drug used to counteract the effects of sedative drugs. Murray called Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, on his cell phone for help and asked him to send security upstairs for an emergency. When no one came to assist, Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and asked the chef to send up Jackson's eldest son, Prince Michael, then returned to continue CPR.
11:18 a.m.: Murray made the first of three calls spanning 47 minutes on his personal cell phone, which last until 12:05 p.m.; he did not mention these calls to interviewing detectives, who uncovered them through a search of his phone records.
Approximately 12:22 p.m.: Security guard Alberto Alvarez called 911 on his cell phone. The affidavit suggests that nearly 82 minutes passed between the time Murray found Jackson not breathing and the time an ambulance was called.
12:22 p.m.: Los Angeles Fire Department rescue ambulance responded to an emergency call at Jackson's rented Holmby Hills, California, estate. Jackson was transported to UCLA Medical Center, along with Murray.
2:46 p.m.: Jackson was pronounced dead, and Murray refused to sign the death certificate.
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Very good reasoning. I did think about it a lot myself. What a weird time to go to sleep!! And it's not just the eating routine, but think of the rehearsals..they usually started in the afternoon and would end late at night. So you'd think maybe 2.30am would be the appropriate time :?:
Well, here's the "official" explanation for why 2:30 am didn't happen and 10:30 am did. :roll: (They needed to come up with something to prop up the whole Propofol OD story.) From the search warrant affidavit:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161944 ... hael.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619446/20090825/jackson_michael.jhtml)
June 22: Two days prior to his death, Murray attempted to wean Jackson from propofol by giving him a lower, 25 milligram dosage, along with anti-anxiety drug Ativan (lorazepam) and the sedative Versed (midazolam), which successfully got Jackson to go to sleep.
June 23 Leaving the propofol out, Murray gave Jackson Ativan and Versed, which helped Jackson get to sleep.
June 25, approx. 1:30 a.m.: Again leaving out the propofol, Murray gave Jackson a 10-milligram tablet of Valium.
2 a.m.: Unable to sleep, Jackson was injected with 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV by Murray.
3 a.m.: With Jackson still awake, Murray gave the singer 2 milligrams of Versed through an IV.
5 a.m.: Jackson was still not asleep, at which point Murray gave him another 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV.
7:30 a.m.: Murray administered the still restless Jackson another 2 milligrams of Versed in his IV. During this entire sequence, Murray reportedly told investigators, he was at Jackson's bedside monitoring him with a pulse oximeter connected to the singer's finger to measure his pulse and oxygen statistics.
10:40 a.m.: After repeated requests and demands from Jackson, Murray finally gave him 25 milligrams of propofol, diluted with the local anesthetic lidocaine through the IV drip to keep Jackson sedated. The lidocaine, which Jackson referred to as "anti-burn," is used to counter-act the typical burning sensation at the site of the propofol injection. Jackson finally went to sleep, and Murray told police he continued to monitor the pop star.
10:50 a.m.: Murray got up to go to the bathroom.
10:52 a.m.: Murray returned and noticed that Jackson was not breathing. The doctor began CPR and injected .2 milligrams of Anexate, a drug used to counteract the effects of sedative drugs. Murray called Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, on his cell phone for help and asked him to send security upstairs for an emergency. When no one came to assist, Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and asked the chef to send up Jackson's eldest son, Prince Michael, then returned to continue CPR.
11:18 a.m.: Murray made the first of three calls spanning 47 minutes on his personal cell phone, which last until 12:05 p.m.; he did not mention these calls to interviewing detectives, who uncovered them through a search of his phone records.
Approximately 12:22 p.m.: Security guard Alberto Alvarez called 911 on his cell phone. The affidavit suggests that nearly 82 minutes passed between the time Murray found Jackson not breathing and the time an ambulance was called.
12:22 p.m.: Los Angeles Fire Department rescue ambulance responded to an emergency call at Jackson's rented Holmby Hills, California, estate. Jackson was transported to UCLA Medical Center, along with Murray.
2:46 p.m.: Jackson was pronounced dead, and Murray refused to sign the death certificate.
Right, in their effort to provide us with "explanation" they sort of exaggerated it all. I mean when you read it you'd think he would have been dead by 5am :roll:
So the day before one shot was enough and the next night he needed like..what.. x times more??? And Murray on his private cell phone. PUH-LEASE!!
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It doesn't make any sense and yet so many non-believers accept it without question. I don't think ALL of them don't care about Michael, sure plenty don't but the fans who do yet believe what they were told by the media have obviously not paid attention to many of his songs about the media. It disturbs me that so many are STILL not putting two and two together it goes to show how deeply entrenched society is. I also think MJ would have had breakfast with his kids, of course do we actually know for sure they were there that day? And the timings don't make sense because we're supposed to notice that. Some might say that he just couldn't sleep the night before and was desperate to sleep so asked for Propofol at 10.30, intending to skip rehearsals that day. That might be how they reason it. That won't wash with us though, because we pay attention! ;)
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This whole timeline indeed doesn't make sense - and I and others posted about this a long time ago.
But then we don't know if this would be the REAL timeline, if Michael were dead. This is only Murray's version, as far as I know? Michael could have died around 8 AM for all we know... But then there would be no excuse for calling 911 at 12:21 PM.
Another thing I've never thought of before: If Murray had to stay in Michael's room and monitor him throughout the night, then Michael must have been sleeping with the lights on? Or at least 1-2 lamps? Murray surely can't have been doing his job in the dark?
Now in the Batshit interview Michael said he slept "with bright lights on", but I'm not sure if he was telling the truth - it seems to me that at times he was playing with Batshit and/or not being himself.
Not sure what to think...
[youtube:1a0igo0p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xCKixAtO5M[/youtube:1a0igo0p]
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I beLIEve that Mike is purposely messing up everything to get a message across. (maybe coming back; slowing going up to 50% sure)
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Maybe he made breakfast for the kids at 9 and went back to sleep at 10:30. Maybe a nap? It's a lot of work cooking breakfast! Especially french toast! It's a lot of working being MJ!
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french = 54; 5+4=9 (S#)
toast = 75; 7+5=12; 1+2=3 (S#)
(S#)=special number (3, 6, 7, and 9)
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Your points are completely valid. I'm still trying to picture Michael cooking. In my best MJ impersonation ".....You want some syyyyy-rup..." None of it makes sense to me. ;)
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french = 54; 5+4=9 (S#)
toast = 75; 7+5=12; 1+2=3 (S#)
(S#)=special number (3, 6, 7, and 9)
DONT all your heads hurt from these numbers?
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Bashir is so-o-o annoying there, and I don't blame MJ for toying with him. What a sweetie! :lol: Sleeping with 7 lights has to be a joke, and that everythings's an act on stage. That includes this "death".
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Very good reasoning. I did think about it a lot myself. What a weird time to go to sleep!! And it's not just the eating routine, but think of the rehearsals..they usually started in the afternoon and would end late at night. So you'd think maybe 2.30am would be the appropriate time :?:
Well, here's the "official" explanation for why 2:30 am didn't happen and 10:30 am did. :roll: (They needed to come up with something to prop up the whole Propofol OD story.) From the search warrant affidavit:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161944 ... hael.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619446/20090825/jackson_michael.jhtml)
June 22: Two days prior to his death, Murray attempted to wean Jackson from propofol by giving him a lower, 25 milligram dosage, along with anti-anxiety drug Ativan (lorazepam) and the sedative Versed (midazolam), which successfully got Jackson to go to sleep.
June 23 Leaving the propofol out, Murray gave Jackson Ativan and Versed, which helped Jackson get to sleep.
June 25, approx. 1:30 a.m.: Again leaving out the propofol, Murray gave Jackson a 10-milligram tablet of Valium.
2 a.m.: Unable to sleep, Jackson was injected with 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV by Murray.
3 a.m.: With Jackson still awake, Murray gave the singer 2 milligrams of Versed through an IV.
5 a.m.: Jackson was still not asleep, at which point Murray gave him another 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV.
7:30 a.m.: Murray administered the still restless Jackson another 2 milligrams of Versed in his IV. During this entire sequence, Murray reportedly told investigators, he was at Jackson's bedside monitoring him with a pulse oximeter connected to the singer's finger to measure his pulse and oxygen statistics.
10:40 a.m.: After repeated requests and demands from Jackson, Murray finally gave him 25 milligrams of propofol, diluted with the local anesthetic lidocaine through the IV drip to keep Jackson sedated. The lidocaine, which Jackson referred to as "anti-burn," is used to counter-act the typical burning sensation at the site of the propofol injection. Jackson finally went to sleep, and Murray told police he continued to monitor the pop star.
10:50 a.m.: Murray got up to go to the bathroom.
10:52 a.m.: Murray returned and noticed that Jackson was not breathing. The doctor began CPR and injected .2 milligrams of Anexate, a drug used to counteract the effects of sedative drugs. Murray called Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, on his cell phone for help and asked him to send security upstairs for an emergency. When no one came to assist, Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and asked the chef to send up Jackson's eldest son, Prince Michael, then returned to continue CPR.
11:18 a.m.: Murray made the first of three calls spanning 47 minutes on his personal cell phone, which last until 12:05 p.m.; he did not mention these calls to interviewing detectives, who uncovered them through a search of his phone records.
Approximately 12:22 p.m.: Security guard Alberto Alvarez called 911 on his cell phone. The affidavit suggests that nearly 82 minutes passed between the time Murray found Jackson not breathing and the time an ambulance was called.
12:22 p.m.: Los Angeles Fire Department rescue ambulance responded to an emergency call at Jackson's rented Holmby Hills, California, estate. Jackson was transported to UCLA Medical Center, along with Murray.
2:46 p.m.: Jackson was pronounced dead, and Murray refused to sign the death certificate.
Right, in their effort to provide us with "explanation" they sort of exaggerated it all. I mean when you read it you'd think he would have been dead by 5am :roll:
So the day before one shot was enough and the next night he needed like..what.. x times more??? And Murray on his private cell phone. PUH-LEASE!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Whatever version they tell us, I just can't believe it :lol: He couldn't sleep is a lame excuse in my eyes because having an anesthesia = no sleep in its true sense = no regeneration = no rest = no nothing. So alone the explanation he needet to have anesthesia to sleep makes me go :roll: :twisted: :shock: :shock: :? altogether. They probably think we are stupid ... :roll:
10.30 AM? No way. Skipping rehearsal is what we also heard Michael did. Sure, we don't know the details of what exactly happened but THIS timeline is just ... yaaaawwwwnn 8-)
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Or he was already gone at 10am in the morning according to this........
Skin cancer removed from his nose a week before he passed...He was with his Father Joe that morning, sources very close to the family told me that he was already dead.and cold to the touch....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm so many conflicting stories..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PhBz1Lh ... r_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PhBz1LhFow&feature=player_embedded)
[youtube:2feh9g1p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PhBz1LhFow&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2feh9g1p]
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IF he really died ... ;)
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french = 54; 5+4=9 (S#)
toast = 75; 7+5=12; 1+2=3 (S#)
(S#)=special number (3, 6, 7, and 9)
DONT all your heads hurt from these numbers?
Sometimes. When I'm bored, I just do this. I can't help it! :D
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Paris said snickers and soda.
BELIEVE
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2q8sqvk.jpg)
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You guys thing one show one statement , you don't what she was talking about she could have met when they were living in vegas before they came back to LA, You act like you are going to learn so much from one air showing. I thought you people are intellingent.
Wake up.
Someone who cannot spell or use grammar correctly really shouldnt be questioning others intelligence.
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Paris said snickers and soda.
BELIEVE
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2q8sqvk.jpg)
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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do these snickers believe really exist? I always thought they were just photoshopped. So did snickers releases these? I immediatelly connected them with Paris when saying that one of her favourite memories is sitting with Michael on the roof of their house in Las Vegas drinking Soda and eating Snickers..
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do these snickers believe really exist? I always thought they were just photoshopped. So did snickers releases these? I immediatelly connected them with Paris when saying that one of her favourite memories is sitting with Michael on the roof of their house in Las Vegas drinking Soda and eating Snickers..
See this topic:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15707 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15707)
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yes, I saw it a couple of days ago but really thought they were photoshopped by believers. This is a strange piece in all this, mostly because Paris mentioned eating Snickers with Michael as her favourite memory while Prince drinking "Coke.. Coca Cola"
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You guys thing one show one statement , you don't what she was talking about she could have met when they were living in vegas before they came back to LA, You act like you are going to learn so much from one air showing. I thought you people are intellingent.
Wake up.
Dominque,I am neither admin or mod on this site but I am going to ask you this anyway,can you please stop being so rude when you are replying in your posts.This is the 2nd one I have seen,the other being on the thread ELIMS when you spoke for the entire population of Michael Jackson fans from ages 0-25-and 25+ and referenced everyone as 'you people'.
The members on here are intelligent.They are also entitled to have an opinion just as you are yours.
The point raised in this thread is 100% valid and have a right to be discussed like any other point.
I understand Englsih may not be your first language but it does not excuse rudeness or insults.
As for the initial point raised,indeed.They did have a chef but since it was Michael's house,kitchen,children...I am sure if he wanted to make them breakfast Kai wouldn't and couldn't of objected to it.Wherever they lived...
and those Snickers are just too funny.Could it be anymore in your face..
How people do not see what we see and continue to be ignorant of the facts and evidence is beyond me.
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do these snickers believe really exist? I always thought they were just photoshopped. So did snickers releases these? I immediatelly connected them with Paris when saying that one of her favourite memories is sitting with Michael on the roof of their house in Las Vegas drinking Soda and eating Snickers..
Yes they did exist for 2010 Olympics here in Vancouver Canada. There is the Maple Leaf with Canada written on the right hand side of the candy bar.
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7 lights on..........hmmmmm....that number 7 again.......................x
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Very good reasoning. I did think about it a lot myself. What a weird time to go to sleep!! And it's not just the eating routine, but think of the rehearsals..they usually started in the afternoon and would end late at night. So you'd think maybe 2.30am would be the appropriate time :?:
Well, here's the "official" explanation for why 2:30 am didn't happen and 10:30 am did. :roll: (They needed to come up with something to prop up the whole Propofol OD story.) From the search warrant affidavit:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161944 ... hael.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619446/20090825/jackson_michael.jhtml)
June 22: Two days prior to his death, Murray attempted to wean Jackson from propofol by giving him a lower, 25 milligram dosage, along with anti-anxiety drug Ativan (lorazepam) and the sedative Versed (midazolam), which successfully got Jackson to go to sleep.
June 23 Leaving the propofol out, Murray gave Jackson Ativan and Versed, which helped Jackson get to sleep.
June 25, approx. 1:30 a.m.: Again leaving out the propofol, Murray gave Jackson a 10-milligram tablet of Valium.
2 a.m.: Unable to sleep, Jackson was injected with 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV by Murray.
3 a.m.: With Jackson still awake, Murray gave the singer 2 milligrams of Versed through an IV.
5 a.m.: Jackson was still not asleep, at which point Murray gave him another 2 milligrams of Ativan through an IV.
7:30 a.m.: Murray administered the still restless Jackson another 2 milligrams of Versed in his IV. During this entire sequence, Murray reportedly told investigators, he was at Jackson's bedside monitoring him with a pulse oximeter connected to the singer's finger to measure his pulse and oxygen statistics.
10:40 a.m.: After repeated requests and demands from Jackson, Murray finally gave him 25 milligrams of propofol, diluted with the local anesthetic lidocaine through the IV drip to keep Jackson sedated. The lidocaine, which Jackson referred to as "anti-burn," is used to counter-act the typical burning sensation at the site of the propofol injection. Jackson finally went to sleep, and Murray told police he continued to monitor the pop star.
10:50 a.m.: Murray got up to go to the bathroom.
10:52 a.m.: Murray returned and noticed that Jackson was not breathing. The doctor began CPR and injected .2 milligrams of Anexate, a drug used to counteract the effects of sedative drugs. Murray called Jackson's personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, on his cell phone for help and asked him to send security upstairs for an emergency. When no one came to assist, Murray went downstairs to the kitchen and asked the chef to send up Jackson's eldest son, Prince Michael, then returned to continue CPR.
11:18 a.m.: Murray made the first of three calls spanning 47 minutes on his personal cell phone, which last until 12:05 p.m.; he did not mention these calls to interviewing detectives, who uncovered them through a search of his phone records.
Approximately 12:22 p.m.: Security guard Alberto Alvarez called 911 on his cell phone. The affidavit suggests that nearly 82 minutes passed between the time Murray found Jackson not breathing and the time an ambulance was called.
12:22 p.m.: Los Angeles Fire Department rescue ambulance responded to an emergency call at Jackson's rented Holmby Hills, California, estate. Jackson was transported to UCLA Medical Center, along with Murray.
2:46 p.m.: Jackson was pronounced dead, and Murray refused to sign the death certificate.
Right, in their effort to provide us with "explanation" they sort of exaggerated it all. I mean when you read it you'd think he would have been dead by 5am :roll:
So the day before one shot was enough and the next night he needed like..what.. x times more??? And Murray on his private cell phone. PUH-LEASE!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Whatever version they tell us, I just can't believe it :lol: He couldn't sleep is a lame excuse in my eyes because having an anesthesia = no sleep in its true sense = no regeneration = no rest = no nothing. So alone the explanation he needet to have anesthesia to sleep makes me go :roll: :twisted: :shock: :shock: :? altogether. They probably think we are stupid ... :roll:
10.30 AM? No way. Skipping rehearsal is what we also heard Michael did. Sure, we don't know the details of what exactly happened but THIS timeline is just ... yaaaawwwwnn 8-)
ABSOLUTELY!
No REM sleep- no rest. And the long term effects are motor disturbances. So, yeah- Michael used (overused according to Murray) a drug that would not help him sleep at all (being “under” is NOT the same as sleeping) AND would put at risk his dancing.
Plus,- I had to laugh about this: So, Murray would get MJ off the propofol by pumping him full of benzodiazephines (Atavan, Versed, and Valium) which have HORRIBLE long term side effect and are highly habit forming. But then again, Murray also did not know CPR…so what a great doc he was supposed to make.
It doesn’t add up.
I like the added idea brought up that Michael would have wanted to have breakfast with his kids- excellent point! Thank you.
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This doesn't make any sense to me !
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7 lights on..........hmmmmm....that number 7 again.......................x
Yes, and here also. ;)
(S#)=special number (3, 6, 7, and 9)
3+6+7+9 = 25 2+5=7 :lol: