Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Discussion => General Discussion => Charities => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on November 04, 2010, 06:13:33 PM
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As we have mentioned setting up a new website:
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede this progress I have a Idea.
We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.
What ya think.
I realized that I posted 2 domain names that were still available and that if the wrong person would read it, it would be gone. I therefore decided to register the domain www.michaelsarmyoflove.com. I am not sure if you guys agree with the domain name, but I think it's perfect and if you don't like it, I know other ways to use it.
Let me know what you think. We can start from here and we still need volunteers to manage the new website.
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www.michaelsarmyoflove.com (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com).
Love it. That's exactly what it should say. Jermaine hinted about this, so I say "go for it" Souza.......and thanks..xoxoxo
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I love it! :D It's great! :)
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lilwendy is prepared to give up her domain http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com (http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com) for this as well. So you guys can choose!
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As we have mentioned setting up a new website:
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede this progress I have a Idea.
We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.
What ya think.
I realized that I posted 2 domain names that were still available and that if the wrong person would read it, it would be gone. I therefore decided to register the domain www.michaelsarmyoflove.com. I am not sure if you guys agree with the domain name, but I think it's perfect and if you don't like it, I know other ways to use it.
Let me know what you think. We can start from here and we still need volunteers to manage the new website.
Don't get me wrong - I think it's a great idea and I love the name too but I have a couple of questions.
Does this make http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com) an organization, charity, foundation, or business? If yes, then does that automatically make you, Badkolo, and Mo the President, VP, and Treasurer? Are there taxes, legal issues, or anything else that has to be covered? And, is it blind trust that all the money will be accounted for? Just wondering how setting up something like this is different than Heal The World or one of those...
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As we have mentioned setting up a new website:
I think souza has a great idea but it cant be done on this site itself, so as to not impede this progress I have a Idea.
We can open a Sub Site, There can be a main header/gfx/description etc..
Then a signature list. Each person that donates gets there Name on the Army of L.O.V.E list. The list will be only for the ones that donated.
A specific charity or foundation can be chosen, legaly easier to choose one specific charity or foundation that is verified.
The money that is donated which can be 1 dollar and beyond will go into a special escrow foundation.charity account. It will be overseen by The Escrow company so no Hanky panky can happen in any way and no legal issues can be brought.
Once the Goal is achieved at whatever number that is set(ie, $5000) from the donations which will be shown on top of the signatures then the escrow will announce that money has been sent to the charity/foundation everyone chose to donate to. then a new charity can be chosen from that point on and it just continues.
What ya think.
I realized that I posted 2 domain names that were still available and that if the wrong person would read it, it would be gone. I therefore decided to register the domain www.michaelsarmyoflove.com. I am not sure if you guys agree with the domain name, but I think it's perfect and if you don't like it, I know other ways to use it.
Let me know what you think. We can start from here and we still need volunteers to manage the new website.
Don't get me wrong - I think it's a great idea and I love the name too but I have a couple of questions.
Does this make http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com) an organization, charity, foundation, or business? If yes, then does that automatically make you, Badkolo, and Mo the President, VP, and Treasurer? Are there taxes, legal issues, or anything else that has to be covered? And, is it blind trust that all the money will be accounted for? Just wondering how setting up something like this is different than Heal The World or one of those...
No, I only registered the domain name, before it's gone. I just own a domain name now. It's not a company or foundation and it's not the purpose that one of us is going to manage the donation! That is why Badkolo pointed out the escrow foundation charity account. I had never heard of it, so I will have to ask him exactly what it means, but I am in no way going to manage the $$, I guess the purpose of that account is that they manage it and will transfer the money to the charity we chose when the goal is reached. This is just a registration of the domain and we need to work on from here.
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LOVE the name Souza :D
Let me know what kind of help you need, Id be glad to.
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I'd like to add that this new site will not be a foundation, but a website with articles which we all choose to publish. An educational site that will debunk bad journalism, pay attention to charity, spread Michael's message etc. One of the ideas is to support one charity at the time with donations, verified charity foundations. As I understand it (but I would have to ask Badkolo to be sure) is that with that escrow account we can collect our donations, escrow will manage it until we reached the goal (for example: our goal was $5.000 to the Make-A-Wish foundation, and as soon as that goal is reached, escrow will transfer the money directly to Make-A-Wish, so they will receive $5.000 from Michael's Army Of Love, and not all donations seperately. That way we donate as a group, instead of individuals. After that goal is reached, we can set up a new goal for a new charity.
I hope I made sense and I will ask Badkolo if I understood that right when I talk to him.
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As with traditional escrow, Internet escrow works by placing money in the control of an independent and licensed third party in order to protect both buyer and seller in a transaction. When both parties verify the transaction has been completed per terms set, the money is released.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escrow
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I'd like to add that this new site will not be a foundation, but a website with articles which we all choose to publish. An educational site that will debunk bad journalism, pay attention to charity, spread Michael's message etc. One of the ideas is to support one charity at the time with donations, verified charity foundations. As I understand it (but I would have to ask Badkolo to be sure) is that with that escrow account we can collect our donations, escrow will manage it until we reached the goal (for example: our goal was $5.000 to the Make-A-Wish foundation, and as soon as that goal is reached, escrow will transfer the money directly to Make-A-Wish, so they will receive $5.000 from Michael's Army Of Love, and not all donations seperately. That way we donate as a group, instead of individuals. After that goal is reached, we can set up a new goal for a new charity.
I hope I made sense and I will ask Badkolo if I understood that right when I talk to him.
Thank you for the explanation. Also ask how much of a cut this escrow takes as I'm sure they won't be doing this for free. The concept is great...
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Keep in mind that The Escrow charges for their service, so more than $5000 needs to be donated to in fact donate $5000 to a charity we selected.
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I'm waiting for all the financial details about how it will work, but it sound like a good idea. I know it's difficult to represent ourselves as a group, not being a foundation, and more difficult to manage money out of such a group. I hope something secure and trustable can be made.
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I'm waiting for all the financial details about how it will work, but it sound like a good idea. I know it's difficult to represent ourselves as a group, not being a foundation, and more difficult to manage money out of such a group. I hope something secure and trustable can be made.
Yes, and of course that needs to be paid, but in this case we know for sure the money will really be donated to the foundation. Of course one of us could do it for free, I know I could and I know I am trustworthy, but you can't know that. An independent third party is the best option in this case.
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Keep in mind that The Escrow charges for their service, so more than $5000 needs to be donated to in fact donate $5000 to a charity we selected.
I know that.
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Souza, I am happy with the name. In fact it is perfect. And in my opinion, if we have to pay an amount or fee to keep it all more than above board but also appearing to all to be legit, then so be it.
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I'm waiting for all the financial details about how it will work, but it sound like a good idea. I know it's difficult to represent ourselves as a group, not being a foundation, and more difficult to manage money out of such a group. I hope something secure and trustable can be made.
Yes, and of course that needs to be paid, but in this case we know for sure the money will really be donated to the foundation. Of course one of us could do it for free, I know I could and I know I am trustworthy, but you can't know that. An independent third party is the best option in this case.
I agree - for the sake of liability its best to keep it in the hands of neutral parties who make it their business to know the laws, etc., on this sort of stuff.
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Souza, I am happy with the name. In fact it is perfect. And in my opinion, if we have to pay an amount or fee to keep it all more than above board but also appearing to all to be legit, then so be it.
I agree with RK- if it can be shown to be legit. Even though many of us contribute to charities more than we did before June 25, it's weighed on my mind how our group would go to the next level to "make the change" and represent Michael Jackson at the same time. I hope it's made known to Make a Wish, etc. that the money is being given on behalf of Michael Jackson. If we just use the domain name Michael could be anyone. I think that is important because I am giving my money on behalf of Michael Jackson, not just Michael. I hope this makes sense.
Blessings.
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lilwendy is prepared to give up her domain http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com (http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com) for this as well. So you guys can choose!
Actually - I think MJ is more universally known. My vote is for this name. Thanks lilwendy!
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I'd like to add that this new site will not be a foundation, but a website with articles which we all choose to publish. An educational site that will debunk bad journalism, pay attention to charity, spread Michael's message etc. One of the ideas is to support one charity at the time with donations, verified charity foundations. As I understand it (but I would have to ask Badkolo to be sure) is that with that escrow account we can collect our donations, escrow will manage it until we reached the goal (for example: our goal was $5.000 to the Make-A-Wish foundation, and as soon as that goal is reached, escrow will transfer the money directly to Make-A-Wish, so they will receive $5.000 from Michael's Army Of Love, and not all donations seperately. That way we donate as a group, instead of individuals. After that goal is reached, we can set up a new goal for a new charity.
I hope I made sense and I will ask Badkolo if I understood that right when I talk to him.
I think the domain name is perfect (either Michael or MJ's armyoflove) and I'm glad that it will be an educational site that draws attention to how the media deliberately misleads us and to spread Michael's message. The forum here itself will be a great source of information for putting some of these articles together to help debunk a lot of the "news" stories out there. The New World Order and Global Mind Control subforum for example. I think a lot of people immediately dismiss conspiracy theories before even reading or listening what they're really about which is why I think debunking articles with facts will be much more effective. Most people have common sense and will be able to recognize for themselves that something is up, that somethings not right. When people finally realize this for themselves, THEN they will start looking deeper and suddenly, the conspiracy theorists don't seem so crazy after all. Maybe it would be a good idea to go through some of our threads, collect the best information and thoughts given and put it all together in a coherent article to debunk a particular story.
And by doing this from a place of love, new people to the new site will be less hostile and more open to receiving new information.
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Love this idea.......it takes more than one voice to be heard.....
We have to do this together as the Army. Count me in. xoxoxo
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This is a beautiful undertaking. I love it.
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lilwendy is prepared to give up her domain http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com (http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com) for this as well. So you guys can choose!
Actually - I think MJ is more universally known. My vote is for this name. Thanks lilwendy!
I agree... I'd go with http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com (http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com). I think this is a GREAT idea, Souza & Mo.
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I have been turning this over for a day or so and I am uncomfortable with the whole concept. Sure, at face value it's a wonderful idea. But this whole death hoax and Michael Jackson Fan group thing is so toxic that I'm afraid anything with his name attached to it looks "cultish" or like wacky fan driven.
I am also mildly instinctively offended at the notion that members here aren't already doing their part to be the man in the mirror and make that change... not because they have to answer to someone or to get recognition and pats on the back for it publicly on the board, or to seek approval from TS or to appease Michael, but because it's the right thing to do and the right way to live, and frankly, we all got shook up out of the Matrix and got our eyes opened recently.
Again, wonderful idea. But I have reservations that this won't blow up in someone's face. This death hoax community is turbulent, you know what I mean? Do we really have to "prove" that we are walking the walk to the internet community? I am not at all suggesting that anyone should wear this hat that doesn't fit into it. Just throwing out some honest thoughts.
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I have been turning this over for a day or so and I am uncomfortable with the whole concept. Sure, at face value it's a wonderful idea. But this whole death hoax and Michael Jackson Fan group thing is so toxic that I'm afraid anything with his name attached to it looks "cultish" or like wacky fan driven.
I am also mildly instinctively offended at the notion that members here aren't already doing their part to be the man in the mirror and make that change... not because they have to answer to someone or to get recognition and pats on the back for it publicly on the board, or to seek approval from TS or to appease Michael, but because it's the right thing to do and the right way to live, and frankly, we all got shook up out of the Matrix and got our eyes opened recently.
Again, wonderful idea. But I have reservations that this won't blow up in someone's face. This death hoax community is turbulent, you know what I mean? Do we really have to "prove" that we are walking the walk to the internet community? I am not at all suggesting that anyone should wear this hat that doesn't fit into it. Just throwing out some honest thoughts.
You shouldn't be offended. It wouldn't be easy to know who is doing what for the world, as it's not like everyone puts up a notice every time they do a good deed! I am 100% certain that most everybody here has done good deeds and taken steps to "make that change". However, TS said in the redirect the other day that it's time for the Army of L.O.V.E to take action as a whole- pull off a team effort, via the Web, that will try to get the attention of as many people as possible to pay attention.
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I like this idea. I see the case for the MJ domain name, but I think the Michael one has a nice ring to it. I think this is a great way to do something collectively, bring recognition to the cause, help charities, and honor Michael all at the same time. I also like the idea of an independent escrow company. That way everyone is protected.
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I have been turning this over for a day or so and I am uncomfortable with the whole concept. Sure, at face value it's a wonderful idea. But this whole death hoax and Michael Jackson Fan group thing is so toxic that I'm afraid anything with his name attached to it looks "cultish" or like wacky fan driven.
I am also mildly instinctively offended at the notion that members here aren't already doing their part to be the man in the mirror and make that change... not because they have to answer to someone or to get recognition and pats on the back for it publicly on the board, or to seek approval from TS or to appease Michael, but because it's the right thing to do and the right way to live, and frankly, we all got shook up out of the Matrix and got our eyes opened recently.
Again, wonderful idea. But I have reservations that this won't blow up in someone's face. This death hoax community is turbulent, you know what I mean? Do we really have to "prove" that we are walking the walk to the internet community? I am not at all suggesting that anyone should wear this hat that doesn't fit into it. Just throwing out some honest thoughts.
I understand what you're saying about looking "cultish or like wacky fan driven," but the bottom line is that charities would benefit. Isn't that what really matters? It would be nice to see Michael's name connected with charity (as it should be) more than all the tabloid BS.
I, for one, don't care about the recognition. That's not what this is about. I would be just as happy - more so, even - if the donors remained unknown.
Mo/Souza: I think perhaps the donation list should not be made public. Instead, maybe just something that shows how many have donated and how close we are to reaching the goal - like when people do charity walks and they have their own donation websites that people can go to. Either that, or I'd like the option to make Anonymous donations. I think bec has a a point in that some people who would rather not broadcast their charity may be hesitant to join in if they can't do so anonymously.
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I have been turning this over for a day or so and I am uncomfortable with the whole concept. Sure, at face value it's a wonderful idea. But this whole death hoax and Michael Jackson Fan group thing is so toxic that I'm afraid anything with his name attached to it looks "cultish" or like wacky fan driven.
I am also mildly instinctively offended at the notion that members here aren't already doing their part to be the man in the mirror and make that change... not because they have to answer to someone or to get recognition and pats on the back for it publicly on the board, or to seek approval from TS or to appease Michael, but because it's the right thing to do and the right way to live, and frankly, we all got shook up out of the Matrix and got our eyes opened recently.
Again, wonderful idea. But I have reservations that this won't blow up in someone's face. This death hoax community is turbulent, you know what I mean? Do we really have to "prove" that we are walking the walk to the internet community? I am not at all suggesting that anyone should wear this hat that doesn't fit into it. Just throwing out some honest thoughts.
I understand what you're saying about looking "cultish or like wacky fan driven," but the bottom line is that charities would benefit. Isn't that what really matters? It would be nice to see Michael's name connected with charity (as it should be) more than all the tabloid BS.
I, for one, don't care about the recognition. That's not what this is about. I would be just as happy - more so, even - if the donors remained unknown.
Mo/Souza: I think perhaps the donation list should not be made public. Instead, maybe just something that shows how many have donated and how close we are to reaching the goal - like when people do charity walks and they have their own donation websites that people can go to. Either that, or I'd like the option to make Anonymous donations. I think bec has a a point in that some people who would rather not broadcast their charity may be hesitant to join in if they can't do so anonymously.
I agree. should be anonymous
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Pink Topaz, I understand what you're saying but are you following me? Just as devil's advocate here, why do we need attention for doing good deeds though? Maybe I'm being difficult, I dunno. Just feeling the need to verbally kick it around a little.
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The anonymous idea is a good one, thanks PJ. This is why I wanted to throw out some thoughts.
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To be honest, i wouldn't like my name to be on a list just because i gave money. Some people have no money and can't afford to make donation. Do they have to remain out of the list like they didn't WANT to give ? That would be unfair to people who cannot give or bring them to try find a way to justify about their "povert" (i don't find another word right now)
I think that if i ever happen to manage to give something, having my name on the list would possibly make other people feel uncomfortable and so embarrass me at the same time...
I think it has to remain anonymous. If you have a will to give something, the pride you get from it must remain YOURS.
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Pink Topaz, I understand what you're saying but are you following me? Just as devil's advocate here, why do we need attention for doing good deeds though? Maybe I'm being difficult, I dunno. Just feeling the need to verbally kick it around a little.
Of course I'm following you. I didn't say we need attention- credit- for good deeds, and as for me I don't care if we get or don't get it. The attention we want is the kind that will contribute, and that means all of the other people on the net- non-believers, believers, fans, non-fans- everyone!
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I think that it is a good idea also. As to the domain name I feel both sounds fitting so either one of them will be just fine. I'm in.
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Just like voice and bec mentioned, issues can arrise and usually always do, thats why im not all to keen on donations or charities or any money giving of any kind, issues can arrise and thats why this site does not and will not make any money or place any banner ads in order to make money, it never has and never will happen.
As kind and giving it can be the first thing a few members posted like voice and bec is that bad things can happen from doing something like this and i tend to agree but Souza & mo does have the right & ability though to start a site thats seperated from this site and do what she does there, its not related to this site so it doesnt affect this site.
I am a kind and giving person, some know this first hand, so im all into helping others, and I agree that this is a thoughtful idea and thats why i gave my input, if souza & mo want to help a charity then so be it but as long as you all know it cant be attached to this site in any way, I and they do not need any legal issues brought because of charitable donations.
Sometimes being caring and giving leads others to get the wrong IMPRESSION and then things fall apart from there when they shouldnt.
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True that.
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Cool idea! :D
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I am also mildly instinctively offended at the notion that members here aren't already doing their part to be the man in the mirror and make that change... not because they have to answer to someone or to get recognition and pats on the back for it publicly on the board, or to seek approval from TS or to appease Michael, but because it's the right thing to do and the right way to live, and frankly, we all got shook up out of the Matrix and got our eyes opened recently.
I get what you mean bec, and I must say that at first I also felt a little offended. But I do everything I can and I know that myself, that's enough for me. We can do a lot of good with it and that is what's important, not what someone else thinks of us or any blogger on the internet that needs to get a life and do something with it instead of slandering someone else. I also think some will donate just to seek approval or to please Mike and I have to say that if that's what it takes to get people donate, then fine with me. If they are only doing it for him and not because they will feel better themselves, it would be sad but at least they will donate and therefore do something good for someone else. It's still their own choice and most of us on here are mature enough to make our own decisions. I don't need approval from anyone to do anything. TS is apparently happy with the subforums but I think that's not enough. It's a good way to make people aware of the numerous charities, but that's all. I am afraid it will bleed to death again once people have calmed down. It's about showing what you can do when you unite and which other people you can inspire to join you. I don't want attention drawn to me personally, hence I registered the domain anonymously, but I would like to draw attention to us as a group to show what can be done if we 'raise our voice as one' and I would like the site to get that many visitors that we would be able to donate $5,000,- to a charity each week.
I don't want any negativity around it though, that's why I said I won't manage the site if we go through with this. Some people seem to get off on discrediting us and find whatever to make sure they can write some new blog about that. I don't care if they do that about me because they can all kiss my butt, but I don't want this cause dragged through the mud and therefore it's not a good idea if either me, Badkolo or Mo are affiliated with this site.
I also agree that everything should stay anonymous, as it is on here as well. I never feel comfortable with personal info on the web, same goes for this. And some people are simply not able to donate because they don't have the financial means. But what they can do is volunteer to help charities by lending a hand or professional skills.
I really want everyone on the same page with this or it's better to stop it right here because we will only get discussions about it and that's not what we want.
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I think it's a good idea and I understand the reservations of other members but I think as Michael's army of L.O.V.E it would be a bit hypocritical of us not to do something like this as a group as we all talk about love and healing the world a lot, we should practice what we preach. Obviously many of us already give to/help charities already and there will be many who financially just can't afford to donate but I'm sure none of us will be casting judgment on anyone else and it will be anonymous anyway. As long as it's all above board and we know the money's going where we want it to I'm fine with it, it's not like we're some type of cult here so everyone can make up their own minds whether to participate or not.
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I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned too much emphasis is put on 'donating money'. I'd rather put the emphasis on actual acting - putting effort into doing something for another person, really helping people by putting your shoulder to the wheel. I think that will make a bigger change than donating a couple of bucks every week.
In case people insist on keeping the emphasis on donating money, I'd rather find out i.e. what goods an orphanage really needs, raise money for it, buy the goods and have them shipped to them. That way you are sure the money ends up right where it's needed and they will get what they really need.
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will TS approve this do you reckon....??????????
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Oh dear, I can't help but feel a bit despondent about all this today. It seems we have many different ideas of what our aim is here. This needs to be cleared up before we can go any further.
So, are we (on another site) as Michael's Army of Love wanting to show a united front in DOING something positive as a group in Michael's name to make a change in the world? Or are we want to go on just doing stuff in our own personal lives as individuals? If we want to act as a group, donating really seems the best way to start. It's not as if we all live next door to each other and can arrange to physically help together!
I wish I didn't have to be away this weekend - but trust you'll all thrash this out and reach an amicable decision!
See you soon. xx
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will TS approve this do you reckon....??????????
TS clearly wrote to THINK for yourself, and not blindly follow someone.
You don't need TS his approval for the choices you make.
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Chappie[/b]
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I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned too much emphasis is put on 'donating money'. I'd rather put the emphasis on actual acting - putting effort into doing something for another person, really helping people by putting your shoulder to the wheel. I think that will make a bigger change than donating a couple of bucks every week.
In case people insist on keeping the emphasis on donating money, I'd rather find out i.e. what goods an orphanage really needs, raise money for it, buy the goods and have them shipped to them. That way you are sure the money ends up right where it's needed and they will get what they really need.
That is not something we can do together, simply because we live thousands of miles apart from each other. The donating is only a part of that website, the rest should be used to educate and motivate others and besides that we all need to start acting in our own personal lives, if we didn't already. Many of us have already posted things you can do yourself to help others. Many charities also need volunteers besides donations and that is what we can point out on there as well. Yet they still rely on donations. This is something we can do as a group to show others what can be done when you unite. You said yesterday it's a good idea yourself, I don't understand why that should have changed. But if you have better ideas, please share.
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I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned too much emphasis is put on 'donating money'. I'd rather put the emphasis on actual acting - putting effort into doing something for another person, really helping people by putting your shoulder to the wheel. I think that will make a bigger change than donating a couple of bucks every week.
In case people insist on keeping the emphasis on donating money, I'd rather find out i.e. what goods an orphanage really needs, raise money for it, buy the goods and have them shipped to them. That way you are sure the money ends up right where it's needed and they will get what they really need.
That is not something we can do together, simply because we live thousands of miles apart from each other. The donating is only a part of that website, the rest should be used to educate and motivate others and besides that we all need to start acting in our own personal lives, if we didn't already. Many of us have already posted things you can do yourself to help others. Many charities also need volunteers besides donations and that is what we can point out on there as well. Yet they still rely on donations. This is something we can do as a group to show others what can be done when you unite. You said yesterday it's a good idea yourself, I don't understand why that should have changed. But if you have better ideas, please share.
I think Mo just did.
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Chappie
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In that way we still need to raise money, so I don't get it. What we are going to do with the money is step 2, I only want people on the same page for the site, and someone who will raise his or her hand to manage the website.
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Mo Said: I'd rather put the emphasis on actual acting - putting effort into doing something for another person, really helping people by putting your shoulder to the wheel. I think that will make a bigger change than donating a couple of bucks every week.
She continued with: In case people insist on keeping the emphasis on donating money, I'd rather find out i.e. what goods an orphanage really needs, raise money for it, buy the goods and have them shipped to them. That way you are sure the money ends up right where it's needed and they will get what they really need.
Chappie
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Yes I get that and that's step 2. If we can't even get on one page about even creating a website, and no one will volunteer to manage it, we can forget such a logistically challenged project. This thread is simply to ask people if they agree on the domain name and idea of a website and how we are going to implement that is a next step. I get a negative vibe after the reactions that makes me reluctant to the idea now. It seems we are always focussing on the negative stuff and not on the positive. I never focussed on donating, I asked if the overall idea of a website with donating as a PART of it (to whatever cause which we will focuss on later) was something others would agree on and what they think of the domain.
So far there hasn't been anyone who raised his/her hand to volunteer for the management of it. If necessary I would do it myself, but in that case not from here, because I know that in that case I will be the center of negative blogs and I really don't feel like that after 16 months of negativity. So again: can someone please raise his or her hand? Maybe we can start there and after that see how we are going to do this. Managing transport and logistics of something like this is a lot of work and most of us won't have the time for that. There are foundations that manage that for you, I don't think it's a good idea if one of us would do that, for the same reason I don't think it's a good idea one of us managing the donations. If something goes wrong in whatever way that person won't have a life on the net anymore. But again, that's the next step. For now it would be nice to have some positiveness about the overall idea. After that we can focus on what we will support and in what way. Some foundations rely on donations as in $$ for research and medical supplies for example, others like orphanages could probably need goods more.
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I am ok with the domain name.
I really like the idea of having an "educational/ advice" web where we can post articles to build awareness. I love that concept of exchanging advice (I did that on myspace, in my blog).
Regarding donations to charities, I am not pro having an scrow account. I rather prefer to list trustful charity sites for people to donate as they wish to who they wish.
The best, in my experience, is to exchange links/ banners between charity organizations.
Once someone clicks on the charity banner chosen inside the armyoflove site, the donor is directed to that site and proceeds to make the donation.
Donations are a private issue. And also, "haters" will see the picture in a malicious way as if we would like to get money from people.
On the other hand, those charity webs have our banner and people get to read our articles.
There is no cost from any side, is based on trust and good will :)
Also, we can´t use Michaels name, i believe, for legal reasons. It will need to be expressed in the declaration that we are just moved by his message and in no way we are using his name for profit.
Well, and this, is my opinion :) Thanks for taking mine in consideration as well.
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Good points Gema, and yes there will be people who if they knew about it would claim we're being suckered into handing over money. I personally thought it was a good idea but if it's going to cause disharmony and uneasiness that's not what we want. What about if we all tried to either sponsor a third world child, set up a monthly donation to Water Aid(in my country it's only £2 a month and does so much good), Save the Children (again very small amounts are required), or the countless other charities out there. I've been donating every month since I was 16 to Save The Children for their campaign to stop children being used as soldiers, but have always wanted to sponsor a third world child too. As for me children are the most important thing in the world that would be my choice but I know there are others who would rather donate to animal causes or to the Red Cross or whatever. If there are any doubts or questions among members regarding the charity Escrow account maybe we should take a vote of some kind. I know that nobody here has sinister intentions but unfortunately the world has taught us to be cynical and I really do think we all have to be on the same page and not alienate anyone.
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Thanks :)
Another thing I would like to add, is to set a goal or mission each month and promote it.
Then we could write about the achievements and inspire more people to enrolled in the same mission.
Everybody is useful and have something great to offer and can be fun.
Just an example;
A couple of years ago I enrolled in a knitting project ( :lol: what!, i like to knitt)where many people were asked to knitt children clothes, as many as they could and after a certain date for the collection, all of the clothes were sent to the charity chosen. It was fun and very inspiring, and anyone could be anywhere in the world.
I can get carried away, so many projects I have been involved in to give me many ideas :D
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What's wrong with knitting!? :D I knit too and I cross stitch, my profile pic is actually of a portrait I stitched when I actually believed (very briefly) that Michael was gone. I intended to stitch 1958-2009 on it but something wouldn't let me, I instinctively felt I couldn't but didn't know why at the time. I do now! I stitch cards to sell for charity sometimes and I know there are lots of us who could use our talents in some way. I'll support the charity account if we decide to go ahead but again I think if some people are going to feel uneasy with it there has to be a deciding vote to gauge the amount of members for it and those against it.
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I am opting to vote for the scrow account as well. I see that can cause drama and people (haters) can be really a pain in the neck giving bad propaganda. Will be to double fight, for charity and to prove that we are not after money.
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I like the idea of supporting just one or two charities as well, like I wrote before. In that way we can focus on that instead of focussing on all different kinds of charities and I prefer children as well. If you could make agreements with a foundation like Gema said, you could also get more people to the website. In that case we should all agree on one particular charity. I like the idea, but others have to as well.
@Gema I agree we shouldn't use his name for it. I think the domain name and maybe an intro at the site that he was the inspiration for itr will be enough. I am not donating or writing articles out of his name, I do what I do because I want to. He has done so much for others already, he doesn't need us to support a charity out of his name, I think he earned his credits with them years and years ago. He just made it possible that we are now all here preparing for something that will hopefully inspire others to do the same.
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Good points Gema, and yes there will be people who if they knew about it would claim we're being suckered into handing over money. I personally thought it was a good idea but if it's going to cause disharmony and uneasiness that's not what we want. What about if we all tried to either sponsor a third world child, set up a monthly donation to Water Aid(in my country it's only £2 a month and does so much good), Save the Children (again very small amounts are required), or the countless other charities out there. I've been donating every month since I was 16 to Save The Children for their campaign to stop children being used as soldiers, but have always wanted to sponsor a third world child too. As for me children are the most important thing in the world that would be my choice but I know there are others who would rather donate to animal causes or to the Red Cross or whatever. If there are any doubts or questions among members regarding the charity Escrow account maybe we should take a vote of some kind. I know that nobody here has sinister intentions but unfortunately the world has taught us to be cynical and I really do think we all have to be on the same page and not alienate anyone.
I agree with you, trustno1.
There are people who sponsor annually 1 or 2 charities and besides that to different charities, which are in urgent need at that particular moment, e.g. Haiti or Afghanistan & Pakistan. I think it's important to keep in mind that people should have the ability to have a free choice in donations and a free choice to donate anonymously or not.
I am pro the educational site, including links to different charities. On most charity sites you'll find information what you can do more besides donations, e.g. kids can do a school project/presentation, a sponsor marathon can be organized.
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Thanks Souza.
It is an elaborated project and it needs time to reflect upon the distribution and organization of it.
I am happy that we all can have a voice and get the project running with everyone´s help and views and ideas :)
How many are we? over 1000?
We can also link the army site from our personal blogs, even if the blog is about the reproduction of the snails and the fascinating world of the sea clams!
Ay ay! so much to organize! it will take time, but we will get there.
Delegating/ taking a task to people will be another very important side of it.
My promotion: I have experience in HR (organizational psychology) and can find hidden potentials :D , just in case is needed (http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-whistle-2.gif)
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I love the idea, Souza!
I'm a graphic and web designer and I'd be able to create a website, but I don't have enough time right now :-(
When do you want to kick off?
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I love the idea, Souza!
I'm a graphic and web designer and I'd be able to create a website, but I don't have enough time right now :-(
When do you want to kick off?
Great! When do you have time?
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*Mo* was also going to design the web! That´s what i call a team work!
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I love the idea, Souza!
I'm a graphic and web designer and I'd be able to create a website, but I don't have enough time right now :-(
When do you want to kick off?
Great! When do you have time?
I'm in the middle of a big project, so probably not before end of November/beginning of December.
Gema just wrote, that Mo wants to do it?
I didn't read that and I didn't want to push to the front!
So, if you need me, I'm willing to contribute.
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I love the idea, Souza!
I'm a graphic and web designer and I'd be able to create a website, but I don't have enough time right now :-(
When do you want to kick off?
Great! When do you have time?
I'm in the middle of a big project, so probably not before end of November/beginning of December.
Gema just wrote, that Mo wants to do it?
I didn't read that and I didn't want to push to the front!
So, if you need me, I'm willing to contribute.
I think we can wait until then, we can do other things in between and all get on the same page with it. We need to decide which charity or charities, in what way, the content on the site etc. So we need that time. I don't think it's a good idea either Mo, Badkolo or I are affiliated with it in any way like I posted before. We will be the center of ridicule and I don't want to take that risk. Besides that I think it's easier for you to change and manage the site when you have built it yourself. It would be great if you want to do it!
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Oh, I won't be able to manage the site.
I can build/create a site for you and of course I can put up new content etc. and wouldn't leave you alone with that, but I'm a single mother and self-employed. Sometimes I have time, sometimes I have to work day and night for weeks on a job.
So I can't load a project like this onto my shoulders and it would not be responsible to do so, because I would want to be reliable - but this I can't promise.
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If I disagree with the domain name and how that will channel the donations is one way of organizing the resources to obtain and make them reach those who really need it, or selected charities.
Now as to explain to me the second part we manage the site and how long to take for this.
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I also agree that everything should stay anonymous, as it is on here as well. I never feel comfortable with personal info on the web, same goes for this. And some people are simply not able to donate because they don't have the financial means. But what they can do is volunteer to help charities by lending a hand or professional skills.[/color]
I know we're all anonymous here in that no one knows who's behind the user name. But when I suggested anonymous for the separate website, I meant not even user names. I'm thinking of the donations idea, mainly. I just don't think it's a good idea to have a list of names who donated - fake ones or not - out in the open. Behind the scenes, obviously. The focus is on the gift, not the giver. I'd hate to see it turn into some kind of popularity contest.
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I also agree that everything should stay anonymous, as it is on here as well. I never feel comfortable with personal info on the web, same goes for this. And some people are simply not able to donate because they don't have the financial means. But what they can do is volunteer to help charities by lending a hand or professional skills.[/color]
I know we're all anonymous here in that no one knows who's behind the user name. But when I suggested anonymous for the separate website, I meant not even user names. I'm thinking of the donations idea, mainly. I just don't think it's a good idea to have a list of names who donated - fake ones or not - out in the open. Behind the scenes, obviously. The focus is on the gift, not the giver. I'd hate to see it turn into some kind of popularity contest.
That's what I meant as well.
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I also agree that everything should stay anonymous, as it is on here as well. I never feel comfortable with personal info on the web, same goes for this. And some people are simply not able to donate because they don't have the financial means. But what they can do is volunteer to help charities by lending a hand or professional skills.[/color]
I know we're all anonymous here in that no one knows who's behind the user name. But when I suggested anonymous for the separate website, I meant not even user names. I'm thinking of the donations idea, mainly. I just don't think it's a good idea to have a list of names who donated - fake ones or not - out in the open. Behind the scenes, obviously. The focus is on the gift, not the giver. I'd hate to see it turn into some kind of popularity contest.
That's what I meant as well.
Great! Thanks! :D
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Hey Guys
this is a great idea and I put my hand up Souza I am in a completely different timezone to most everyone on here a whole day in advance in some cases , so if that not a problem , I am in just lead the way!!
I so wanted to do something like this ages ago, I spoke to a friend and we wanted to, we tried to get it started by setting up a Twitter account which as far as I know is still active. Before I heard of Army of love I think and I had a slightly different name, but still MJ and love in the mix. We had the idea to raise money for charities but in our control not letting big wigs take it away from the fans, but the whole thing re setting up etc ie what has been discussed on here, well we just didnt' get that far... and the other thing I think was to have ways of spreading MJ's mesage like the donations to charity didn't need to be a formal charity some like was mentioned although we don't have them here in NZ, but say the like of Orphanages and other groups all that require help jsut a smile even to a lonley sad person this can mkae such a difference or a compliement or anything actually like everyday people we can help... but sorry where I am leading is that for people to do every day things but say I am doing this in honour of MJ or MJ taught me how to be a better person , or nothing , but in some small way let them knw it was through MJ and L.O.VE you decided to say help your elderly neighbour take in her groceries, visit someone elderly say whom ahs no family and maybe friends. , to visit them, and things like that. I know of some Dear Lady at my Nana's home and we always talk to all the ladies at my Nana's eating table but I just found this out that one of them has absolutely no-one here in my city of Dunedin NZ and came from England years ago and all family dead there so she is completely on her own, so I said to Mum we could do a little something nice every now and then to make her feel good and hopefully this could helop her in the maybe possible low times, when having absolutely no-one to turn too that is close and special must hurt so very bad. Even just like remembering b'days' to those kind of people or read a child a story, help with reading anything ..etc I could go on with ideas but I will stop.
Also on site lists of ways to give back even something like 'Pay It Forward' like the movie. Where You continue doing it of course no time limit or number of people to help if You like but to get it running started like a world wide wave of L.O.VE!! we could nominate something similar to what that boy on movie did ,but Of course donn't want copy right issues so maybe we hav eto mix it up a bit the phrase??
but there are many ideas including what is already on here.
I know there is already a gobal day that is something like a day when you do a nice thing Ie pay for someones coffee etc and I can't remember what it is called oh that is it I think
'Random Acts of Kindness Day' (I think) then I saw not too long ago there is a site inEngland Ithink or sorry started there I think and it is simply where people log their gestures I think from memeory as a way tomake each individula accountable?? may have it all wrong??
Anyway Souza that is a side issue to waht You wanted to knwo well I am here proud to stand for the Honour of MJ!! 'It's all for love' L.O.V.E!! and together we can make it happen. ohjsut one thing and not at all to put a negative spin on things but do we have to get permission to use MJ's name I remember not too long ago the Estate said they had the copyright over the whole thing liek I think anyone that even hinted and being associated with MJ and all he encompasses?? not sure if I heard right ,but yeah just to mention that. And I think it was in particular mention to people using that for charities etc??? but I say this from nly a plae of information not to be negative in anyway shape or form. Because I am behind anything that enables us to do things in MJ's name for the good of all the Universe Animals environment all things so that to opens it up to doing things at the places like animal shelters environment issues and or peace innitiatives anti racial issues etc a whole movement. All in the name of L.O.VE! !!
well thanks for listeningsorry watching reading me blab on and on but I will close for now sorry if I offended any one or anything.
take care and 'I love You all more' "It's all for love" L.O.V.E!!
lots love to the whole family here and everywhere!!
Count me in Souza!!
:) <3
love always
MIchelle :P
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@ Gemma
Hi how are You?
just read Your idea and it is great it has been done here too and sitll does everyyear I think a National knitting Shop runs it and goes to the Needy Kids for Winter Warmth
but even people cold donate ie for knitters and for other thing but say you can't knit You could donate the wool, or buy some wool , money for wool, that is jsut taking the knitting idea
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Habbitat for Humanity is another I know it's on TV where groups have say gone down to Louisianna In the USA say and donated their time to helop and it looked to be very humbling seeing those still without homes, and we all have I think Habbitat for Humanity
and then there are the wildlife organisations, we have SAFE here for animals sorry here is me going on , but yeah anything goes as long as it is done in the righ tspirit and jsut a smile can make someones day or a simple gesture of goodwill/ My Grandfather used to say " A smile costs you nothing to give' and I bet we all know how a smile can make our own days better!!
L.O.V.E!!
much love to You all!@! :D
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I also agree that everything should stay anonymous, as it is on here as well. I never feel comfortable with personal info on the web, same goes for this. And some people are simply not able to donate because they don't have the financial means. But what they can do is volunteer to help charities by lending a hand or professional skills.[/color]
I know we're all anonymous here in that no one knows who's behind the user name. But when I suggested anonymous for the separate website, I meant not even user names. I'm thinking of the donations idea, mainly. I just don't think it's a good idea to have a list of names who donated - fake ones or not - out in the open. Behind the scenes, obviously. The focus is on the gift, not the giver. I'd hate to see it turn into some kind of popularity contest.
That's what I meant as well.
Me too :)
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@Michelle WilkieNZ, yes, the knitting project i got involved in had that set up as well!
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I love all these ideas, and unfortunately can't help with the setting up process, but if there is anything else I can do. just call my name and I'll be there..
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Very well done.
Only one aspect I would like to discuss: I don't like the butterfly.
It is a "watering" symbol, taking away strength from the layout.
It's a symbol for a negative system in addition.
I'd prefer a light of hope or a red rose instead if there should be a highlighting indicator to the menue. What's your opinion?
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First only the people with money will have their name in the ArmyOfLove?
That is one of the worst Ideas ever. Michael would want all to have their names shown
What poor people need not apply. I do have money and I would never join just for the fact.
Michael ArmyOflove is for everyone.JJ
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Johnkillrory wrote:
First only the people with money will have their name in the ArmyOfLove?
What sites you've read it? :?:
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Very well done.
Only one aspect I would like to discuss: I don't like the butterfly.
It is a "watering" symbol, taking away strength from the layout.
It's a symbol for a negative system in addition.
I'd prefer a light of hope or a red rose instead if there should be a highlighting indicator to the menue. What's your opinion?
I see your point, I agree with that. I don't think it's a pressing issue that matters too much either way, but sometimes less is more. My vote would be to take out the butterfly and not to replace it with anything.
Is it possible to change the language on this new site or is that being worked on?? I'd like to share it with family and friends but they won't be able to read it. But esthetically, it looks great!
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Johnkillrory wrote:
First only the people with money will have their name in the ArmyOfLove?
What sites you've read it? :?:
Well, the idea of badkolo said only people who donate are allowed in the ArmyOfLove... which I don't think is fair either, because some of us don't have the money to give. :?
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Johnkillrory wrote:
First only the people with money will have their name in the ArmyOfLove?
What sites you've read it? :?:
Well, the idea of badkolo said only people who donate are allowed in the ArmyOfLove... which I don't think is fair either, because some of us don't have the money to give. :?
I think you guys are reading too much into that. The Army Of Love is something we are only apart of by choice, no specific deeds or donations are needed. The Army of Love existed before this website existed, so I don't see the problem. The website allows us all to donate money and then give a big chunk of money to a charity from "Michael's Army of Love". In other words, for example, we would give a $5,000 check to a charity as opposed to us each individually giving $10 and being nameless. This provides those who donate a chance to be apart of something bigger than themselves, and it allows us to make a difference that is more measurable than what we are able to do as individuals. Not to mention it could potentially gain some media attention, which could help inspire others to start helping to heal the world. Also keep in mind that donations don't have to be huge. Everyone should only give what they can afford when it comes to any charity or cause. Even if every person only gives ONE dollar, that adds up faster than you might think.
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Johnkillrory wrote:
First only the people with money will have their name in the ArmyOfLove?
What sites you've read it? :?:
Well, the idea of badkolo said only people who donate are allowed in the ArmyOfLove... which I don't think is fair either, because some of us don't have the money to give. :?
That idea has been shot down already.
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@Souza - where are we with this site? I've been thinking about it ans wondered if we're still on track for this?
@ creelostedoda - shame on you. Get involved in something bigger than yourself and quit being a nuisance.
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@Souza - where are we with this site? I've been thinking about it ans wondered if we're still on track for this.
Still working on it, but I had to move in between and the forum needs some cleaning first. But ideas still welcome because I work on it whenever I have time.
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@Souza - where are we with this site? I've been thinking about it ans wondered if we're still on track for this.
Still working on it, but I had to move in between and the forum needs some cleaning first. But ideas still welcome because I work on it whenever I have time.
This is good to hear Souza that the site is still slated to go "live". I was thinking about this last week too and hoping that with the website it can serve to put out much good and positive information about Michael to counteract any and everything we might encounter with the upcoming Murray trial and maybe it'll provide neutral ground for the Believers and Non-Believers. (Onward! Soldiers of L.O.V.E!) I realize the site is not meant to be a forum and that's important, but the presence of it can refocus everyone's attention on what's most important - hopefully.
I'll give thought to ideas for the website as well.
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I really like this quote and think it would be good at the top of the page for this section of the website:
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/micha ... utions.php (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/michaelscharitablecontributions.php)
"I hate to see suffering, I hate to see people in need and I feel God gave me a gift ... and I have to use it responsibly by giving back, and I'll do it until I have pennies left or the good Lord calls me home."
-Michael Jackson
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I really like this quote and think it would be good at the top of the page for this section of the website:
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/micha ... utions.php (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/michaelscharitablecontributions.php)
"I hate to see suffering, I hate to see people in need and I feel God gave me a gift ... and I have to use it responsibly by giving back, and I'll do it until I have pennies left or the good Lord calls me home."
-Michael Jackson
That's a great quote! This tells me that whatever $$ Mike makes in this hoax, will be used for the good cause.
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I love the idea of giving money to charity.
Another goal for site would be to recruit more member for the michael's army of love. I would love that Michael's army of love would be known by whole world. But the main goal is of course to raise as much money as we can.
I know Michael would/are proud of us.
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http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com.
Love it. That's exactly what it should say. Jermaine hinted about this, so I say "go for it" Souza.......and thanks..xoxoxo
Such a very amazing link!
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@bauer....did the link work for you? Because it didn't work for me.
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It didn't work for me either...
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no, not working for him, he just wanted to advertise his footer link but didn't even test what he's saying. nevermind.
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Site is on the backseat, some other things came up that I had to do in real life. I will see if I can re-upload it next week when I have a few days off work.
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Site is on the backseat, some other things came up that I had to do in real life. I will see if I can re-upload it next week when I have a few days off work.
Thank you, Souza. Can you do something about Bauer5152 who is obviously not here for MJ hoax investigation?
Blessings
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Site is on the backseat, some other things came up that I had to do in real life. I will see if I can re-upload it next week when I have a few days off work.
Thank you, Souza. Can you do something about Bauer5152 who is obviously not here for MJ hoax investigation?
Blessings
Aha, I see now. Spammer.... Will take care of it immediately. lolol/
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I like the name chosen. I am glad that many are making a change. It will not be an easy task, many aspects must be taken into account. I am not a member of the Army of Love, but I'm willing to do what I can from my little place. blessings /bravo/
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/bravo/ /bravo/ /bravo/
I absolutely love the idea of this charity thing. I like the educational side of it, I also very much like the domain name you already registered Souza. Someone said that it may not be a good idea howerver I tend to disagree. It might be criticised at 1st but in time it will stop and I believe it speeks volumes to Michael's character, that he is such a great man that his fans organized a charity because of the positive influence and he will be remembered for his huge heart and great concern for those in need throughout the world. And for the rest of the details like name list and every other aspect there is to handle well I really dont care as long as it's positive and done with loving intentions I will be happy because I know I am not reliable enough to volunteer to help with the site, my health is a little bit of a roller coaster I battle depression a lot :-[, so I wont complain and will apreciate anyone who will volunteer to help out. This IMO is a very very beautiful idea/project.
I can see it already in some years from now... History channel.. Quote from narrator: " Despite how Michael Jackson was negatively portrayed it is very hard to believe, in fact, not everyone bought in to it. His fans started an online charity in his honnor for being the great humanitarian he was, humm, actually he's one of the greatest humanitarians of all time....We'll list just a few of his good will actions here....." lolol/
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Oh, Souza, LOVE the idea. I often feel distressed as to where to start with "changing the world" /bravo/
There is only so much one can do alone.
If we can all pull together we may actually be able make a difference in this world. Count me in all the way!
Is this organisation something like you have in mind to donate to?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Globe-Live/258228064198351 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Globe-Live/258228064198351)