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Hoax Investigation => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Michael's features, habits & disguises => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on November 03, 2010, 06:08:45 PM

Title: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 03, 2010, 06:08:45 PM
There is still much discussion about disguises and whether or not it would be possible for MJ to walk the streets without his fans recognizing him. I watched a show we have here in Holland yesterday and I wanted to share it with you, to show you how much can be done with make-up, and this is low-budget when you compare it to what Mike is able to do.
Below is a picture of Wendy van Dijk, and Wendy van Dijk again, in prostetic make-up. She fools Dutch celebs with her disguises, and in the video below she fools Marco Borsato, who is a very good personal friend of her, yet he is face to face with her and doesn't recognize her. If he doesn't recognize one of his dearest friends, I am sure fans wouldn't recognize Mike, not even if he were face to face with them.

(http://http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/wendy.jpg)
(http://http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/loesie.jpg)

[youtube:5984nwci]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4IA1TwOl3M[/youtube:5984nwci]
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: trublu on November 03, 2010, 06:17:18 PM
I know it's amazing...

Here is an example from a show I watched in the UK...hope people don't mind the content...it is clearly a low budget example but it goes to show how it can be done...

[youtube:3rgd5s51]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kg5UZiIb_U[/youtube:3rgd5s51]
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: loma on November 03, 2010, 07:47:02 PM
I also recommend watching "La Vie En Rose", if you haven't.
Marion Cotillard is a stunning woman, but they made her into an old Edith Piaf.
The Makeup was amazing. Oscar winning I believe.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: suspicious mind on November 03, 2010, 08:02:23 PM
recon you could get some of that stuff to work in reverse of this? :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 04, 2010, 10:04:23 AM
Quote from: ~Souza~
There is still much discussion about disguises and whether or not it would be possible for MJ to walk the streets without his fans recognizing him. I watched a show we have here in Holland yesterday and I wanted to share it with you, to show you how much can be done with make-up, and this is low-budget when you compare it to what Mike is able to do.
Below is a picture of Wendy van Dijk, and Wendy van Dijk again, in prostetic make-up. She fools Dutch celebs with her disguises, and in the video below she fools Marco Borsato, who is a very good personal friend of her, yet he is face to face with her and doesn't recognize her. If he doesn't recognize one of his dearest friends, I am sure fans wouldn't recognize Mike, not even if he were face to face with them.

This prostetic make-up is amazing, the disguise team did a very good job. Wendy was at her best playing Ushi, JMO. I like Loesi, she's so funny too :lol:  :lol: Her "plat" Amsterdam accent is great. Not to ruin the fun, but don't you think that this scene with Marco is staged, that it is acted :?
I don't know if I'd recognize MJ, even face to face. I don't think I'd recognize him, not only because of the prostetic disguise he might wear, but also because I wouldn't expect and believe it. I think only eyes can't fool, but that could be solved with glasses or lenses :ugeek:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: paula-c on November 04, 2010, 01:19:20 PM
Well it is amazing what can be done with good maqullajes .. I remember Joe Harvey said he was as a "lap dog" behind Oprah when she went to Encino, and then said this: When Oprah Winfrey visited the Jackson family compound at Their in Encino, CA - There Were she just made sure enough chairs at the table for the people interested in. She Was talking to ...
and the picture of Joe standing near Katherine, ... Am I crazy? :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: jacilovesmichael on November 04, 2010, 02:04:09 PM
Wow. Thanks so much for posting this. I think a lot of people need to really SEE something in order to believe it. This just goes to show how easy it would be for Mike to pull off all the disguises. This makes me believe even more that it was him as Dave Dave on LKL (not that I really ever doubted it).

I think it would be awfully fun to spend a day in a disguise, having nobody recognize you and not having to live up to anyone's expectations.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MJonmind on November 04, 2010, 02:12:09 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
Well it is amazing what can be done with good maqullajes .. I remember Joe Harvey said he was as a "lap dog" behind Oprah when she went to Encino, and then said this: When Oprah Winfrey visited the Jackson family compound at Their in Encino, CA - There Were she just made sure enough chairs at the table for the people interested in. She Was talking to ...
and the picture of Joe standing near Katherine, ... Am I crazy? :lol:
Heck maybe that was Michael standing next to Katherine--fat suit! :lol: Anythings possible. Just like the 93 Oprah interview with Elizabeth.[attachment=0:dcroi7sb]Untitled.jpg[/attachment:dcroi7sb]
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: jacilovesmichael on November 04, 2010, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Quote from: "paula-c"
Well it is amazing what can be done with good maqullajes .. I remember Joe Harvey said he was as a "lap dog" behind Oprah when she went to Encino, and then said this: When Oprah Winfrey visited the Jackson family compound at Their in Encino, CA - There Were she just made sure enough chairs at the table for the people interested in. She Was talking to ...
and the picture of Joe standing near Katherine, ... Am I crazy? :lol:
Heck maybe that was Michael standing next to Katherine--fat suit! :lol: Anythings possible. Just like the 93 Oprah interview with Elizabeth.[attachment=0:1onkqsis]Untitled.jpg[/attachment:1onkqsis]

OMG, that makes so much sense. I am just now "getting it". I wonder if that's what was meant by that TMZ article. Hmm...
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 04, 2010, 03:54:29 PM
The man i have circled in red looks like he is wearing a silicon mask.
If is his skin, then is the most flawless i have ever seen.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: paula-c on November 04, 2010, 04:04:46 PM
:?:  :shock:  8-)  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 04, 2010, 04:07:28 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
The man i have circled in red looks like he is wearing a silicon mask.
If is his skin, then is the most flawless i have ever seen.

It seems like the man in black behind the circled one wears a mask too :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 04, 2010, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
:?:  :shock:  8-)  :lol:

The guy has no soul  :lol:  :lol: my gosh, he is not even blinking  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 04, 2010, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: "everlastinglove_MJ"
Quote from: "Gema"
The man i have circled in red looks like he is wearing a silicon mask.
If is his skin, then is the most flawless i have ever seen.

It seems like the man in black behind the circled one wears a mask too :lol:

Yes. I thought I didn´t see properly  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 04, 2010, 04:41:11 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "everlastinglove_MJ"
Quote from: "Gema"
The man i have circled in red looks like he is wearing a silicon mask.
If is his skin, then is the most flawless i have ever seen.

It seems like the man in black behind the circled one wears a mask too :lol:

Yes. I thought I didn´t see properly  :lol:

Put on your glasses then :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ibelieveinmj on November 04, 2010, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Quote from: "paula-c"
Well it is amazing what can be done with good maqullajes .. I remember Joe Harvey said he was as a "lap dog" behind Oprah when she went to Encino, and then said this: When Oprah Winfrey visited the Jackson family compound at Their in Encino, CA - There Were she just made sure enough chairs at the table for the people interested in. She Was talking to ...
and the picture of Joe standing near Katherine, ... Am I crazy? :lol:
Heck maybe that was Michael standing next to Katherine--fat suit! :lol: Anythings possible. Just like the 93 Oprah interview with Elizabeth.[attachment=0:olrr8n98]Untitled.jpg[/attachment:olrr8n98]

Oh that does make sense and Oprah makes a point saying to Joe, "I can't believe you are here".  
My head is starting to hurt!?!?
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: chloead505 on November 05, 2010, 04:44:57 AM
Quote from: "loma"
I also recommend watching "La Vie En Rose", if you haven't.
Marion Cotillard is a stunning woman, but they made her into an old Edith Piaf.
The Makeup was amazing. Oscar winning I believe.

You are right. I was there when they were applying the make-up. Absolutely incredible  ;)

And it did win Oscar.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: *Mo* on November 05, 2010, 05:09:49 AM
Exclusive: Man in disguise boards international flight
By Scott Zamost, CNN Special Investigations Unit
November 5, 2010 -- Updated 0310 GMT (1110 HKT)

(http://http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/WORLD/americas/11/04/canada.disguised.passenger/t1larg.disguise.cnn.jpg)

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) -- Canadian authorities are investigating an "unbelievable" incident in which a passenger boarded an Air Canada flight disguised as an elderly man, according to a confidential alert obtained by CNN.

The incident occurred on October 29 on Air Canada flight AC018 to Vancouver originating in Hong Kong. An intelligence alert from the Canada Border Services Agency describes the incident as an "unbelievable case of concealment."

"Information was received from Air Canada Corporate Security regarding a possible imposter on a flight originating from Hong Kong," the alert says. "The passenger in question was observed at the beginning of the flight to be an elderly Caucasian male who appeared to have young looking hands. During the flight the subject attended the washroom and emerged an Asian looking male that appeared to be in his early 20s."

After landing in Canada, Border Services Officers (BSOs) escorted the man off the plane where he "proceeded to make a claim for refugee protection," the alert says.

"The subject initially claimed to be in possession of one bag; however, flight crew approached the BSOs with two additional pieces of luggage which were believed to belong to the subject. One bag contained the subject's personal clothing items while the second contained a pair of gloves. The third contained a 'disguise kit' which consisted of a silicone type head and neck mask of an elderly Caucasian male, a brown leather cap, glasses and a thin brown cardigan."

The man put on the disguise for the officers who "noted he very much resembled an elderly Caucasian man, complete with mimicking the movements of an elderly person. The subject admitted at this time that he had boarded the flight with the mask on and had removed it several hours later," according to the alert.

Read the intelligence alert (http://http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/11/04/disguise.artist.pdf)

"We can confirm that officials from the CBSA met a passenger arriving off AC018 Hong Kong to Vancouver on October 29 and the matter is still under investigation," said Air Canada spokesman Peter Fitzpatrick, who noted that "there are multiple identity checks before departure at the Hong Kong international airport, including Chinese government-run Hong Kong passport control, which Hong Kong originating passengers must undergo."

Hong Kong officials said they are aware of the incident and would call back with more information later.

Jennifer Bourque, regional communications officer for the CBSA, confirmed that "we intercepted an individual, on October 29, attempting to enter Canada under false pretenses on-board an Air Canada flight."

"CBSA can confirm that the foreign national is currently in CBSA detention," she said. "The individual will present before an IRB hearing. The officials of the CBSA will not disclose further information on this file."

Because of Privacy Act regulations, she said, she cannot provide details about specific cases.

"However, I can tell you that CBSA officers examine all passengers arriving on international flights at Vancouver International Airport," she said. "CBSA works closely with air carriers and local, national and international law enforcement partners, to ensure the safety of our borders and our communities. Getting the right information at the right time is a key element in keeping Canada's border closed to safety and security threats."

The agency would not discuss when or why the man put on the disguise or details about how he boarded the plane. But the alert indicated that the suspect boarded the plane with a board pass belonging to another passenger.

"It is believed that the subject and the actual United States Citizen passenger (whose date of birth is 1955) performed a boarding pass swap, with the subject using an Aeroplan card as identification to board the flight," the alert said.

Aeroplan is a credit card where card holders can earn frequent flyer miles.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/ ... tml?hpt=C1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/11/04/canada.disguised.passenger/index.html?hpt=C1)


(http://http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/cnn_disguise.jpg)
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 05, 2010, 05:18:34 AM
:D
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: willddoMJ on November 05, 2010, 06:52:07 AM
so this has a connection to the dave dave theory? and all other people we said over the hoax, MJ could of been, like blonde lady also.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: *Mo* on November 05, 2010, 07:25:40 AM
Quote from: "willddoMJ"
so this has a connection to the dave dave theory? and all other people we said over the hoax, MJ could of been, like blonde lady also.

He can look like whoever he wants.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 05, 2010, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "willddoMJ"
so this has a connection to the dave dave theory? and all other people we said over the hoax, MJ could of been, like blonde lady also.

He can look like whoever he wants.

Even as a caricature of himself...
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 05, 2010, 08:48:50 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "willddoMJ"
so this has a connection to the dave dave theory? and all other people we said over the hoax, MJ could of been, like blonde lady also.

He can look like whoever he wants.

Even as a caricature of himself...

Haha, we really are on the same level today!  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on November 05, 2010, 10:11:12 AM
Maybe he is Murray, too?  :?
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 05, 2010, 10:16:09 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "willddoMJ"
so this has a connection to the dave dave theory? and all other people we said over the hoax, MJ could of been, like blonde lady also.

He can look like whoever he wants.

Even as a caricature of himself...

Haha, we really are on the same level today!  :lol:

I learned is called being in the same frequency or something like that  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 05, 2010, 10:16:58 AM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
Maybe he is Murray, too?  :?

At times when I doubt, i go to the "da troot will prevail" video ;) nad my doubts are gone.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: chloead505 on November 05, 2010, 12:30:20 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "willddoMJ"
so this has a connection to the dave dave theory? and all other people we said over the hoax, MJ could of been, like blonde lady also.

He can look like whoever he wants.

Even as a caricature of himself...

Haha, we really are on the same level today!  :lol:

So how about the red shirt guy at the Jermain afterparty  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 05, 2010, 01:17:08 PM
That guy is an impersonator.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: mjkate on November 06, 2010, 05:35:14 PM
So he could be anyone he wants for the future.....and anyone could have been him in the past.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ~Souza~ on November 06, 2010, 08:03:34 PM
Quote from: "mjkate"
So he could be anyone he wants for the future.....and anyone could have been him in the past.

Quote of the day!
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: DREAMSandTRUTH on November 06, 2010, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
He can look like whoever he wants.
Like putting on a Liz Taylor disguise and go to a party with her?   ;)   That would be fun and confusing  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 06, 2010, 10:57:57 PM
I am so hoaxsessed that at one point i thought he was Oprah when sitting at the table  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: hesouttamylife on November 07, 2010, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: "Gema"
I am so hoaxsessed that at one point i thought he was Oprah when sitting at the table  :lol:
OMG :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: wishingstar on November 07, 2010, 10:51:27 AM
Is it possible that we have seen Michael more than a few times, but not as we think?  We thought about the blond lady, Mr. Magoo, Pig Face etc......
I think we have been handed a super massive slight-of-hand......create a stir/distraction/something to look at....while the real magic is going on right near it and we don't pay attention or catch it.......it's basic magic on a huge scale! Have any of these people been identified as to who they really are?  I know some speculations were made about blond lady....maybe a relative of some sort??
It's funny we have pet names for all these "characters" we have seen.  All part of the game I suppose......or whatever it is we are doing.
 
Gema-you are not the only one, LOL!

Blessings to you all!
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on November 07, 2010, 11:38:52 AM
Giraffy is my informer, she knows it all  :lol:

Have any of you think also about the possibility of Michael being in TMZ´s live videos hidden among the crowd of workers?
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: paula-c on November 07, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
And if Howard Mann's "partner" Katherine is Michael disguise, remember that when TMZ published the photo of Katherine Howard noted by an arrow (attention to this man), I know that TMZ does it with more news, but why she would have to find a partner? Howard Mann is right in the business center of Katherine Jackson, including the appearance of Katherine in the Oprah sale of his book on Michael and the "publication" through TMZ for the song "None Opis
Well maybe I'm crazy ... :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ni-co-le on November 07, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
i hope i dont end up in a institution :shock:  ,because everywhere i look , i see someone who could be michael in disquise you know .,when i walk my dogs i spy around for him  :oops:  and i live in a small town ... :mrgreen: i hope this hoax will end soon  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: wishingstar on November 07, 2010, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: "Gema"

Have any of you think also about the possibility of Michael being in TMZ´s live videos hidden among the crowd of workers?

Yes, I thought this for a while now......guess we share the same thought patterns!  I think we have seen Michael many times, without realizing it.  I know craaaaazy.......

LOVE & Blessings
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: suspicious mind on November 07, 2010, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: "ni-co-le"
i hope i dont end up in a institution :shock:  ,because everywhere i look , i see someone who could be michael in disquise you know .,when i walk my dogs i spy around for him  :oops:  and i live in a small town ... :mrgreen: i hope this hoax will end soon  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


maybe they will put us all in the same one so they can study. then we won't be alone :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MJonmind on November 10, 2010, 02:47:29 AM
I was thinking he'd go for 7 disguised appearances in this hoax, but there's no reason he wouldn't go for 21= 777. Keep on hunting!

When I heard about that Asian wearing the prosthetic, I admit I thought about MJ right away. Funny how now apparantly you can't take an ink cartridge on planes, liquids, nail clippers, etc.  So now, they'll be tugging at your skin to see if it comes off before you board. Ouch! :lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ignisaeternus on December 29, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
Reading this thread at work, and I'm starting to look at my clients funny... Pretty soon, we all have to watch out to not start tugging on people's faces a la Pink Panter movie. :D

Seriously, though, I think the reason Michael could be anywhere he wants to right now, is that people have to look to see.  I think that is one of the messages- trust what you see, look for the truth, but dont't trust just because you are being fed from a tube... (tv, iv tube....hm...).
In psychology there is the concept of attentional blindness.  The studies on it are really cool. If you look up bear moonwalking on YouTube, you will find a good example.
Btw...I always thought it was interesting that they used moonwalking in that clip ( Ahhhhhh- I see things everywhere now... Scary!!!!!).
Anyway- it is a proven fact that people do not see things their minds are not looking for.  For us, we are now looking - our minds have been opened in a way ( at least I feel that that's happened to me).

re Joe.. I have to go back and rewatch.  But isn't Joe shorter than MJ?
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: loma on December 29, 2010, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
..
In psychology there is the concept of attentional blindness.  The studies on it are really cool. If you look up bear moonwalking on YouTube, you will find a good example.
Btw...I always thought it was interesting that they used moonwalking in that clip ( Ahhhhhh- I see things everywhere now... Scary!!!!!)....
I saw that on  the first try!  :lol:  8-)
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ignisaeternus on December 29, 2010, 05:27:56 PM
Quote from: "loma"
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
..
In psychology there is the concept of attentional blindness.  The studies on it are really cool. If you look up bear moonwalking on YouTube, you will find a good example.
Btw...I always thought it was interesting that they used moonwalking in that clip ( Ahhhhhh- I see things everywhere now... Scary!!!!!)....
I saw that on  the first try!  :lol:  8-)

I should not have included the bear moonwalking words..LOL. I gave away what to look for...

When I saw it the first time, I did not what to look for- and I totally missed it.  And I knew it was a piece on attentional blindness. Duh!  Interestingly, children tend to see it, as did my autistic son.  I guess children do have that innocent open eye.

But the point is WE now look for people Michael would masquerade as...but I can see how, if you are not expecting someone would wear a prosthetic mask, you would totally miss it.  HA! Like I said, people with gorgeous brown eyes better watch up- I'm becoming quite the menace.. :D
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: nefari on December 30, 2010, 08:50:16 AM
I think I either need to go to sleep or need my straight jacket as I just read Gema's post  not as
"I am so hoaxsessed that at one point i thought he was Oprah when sitting at the table"
but
*I am so oversexed*
Apologies to Gema. I need a coffee break.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: ignisaeternus on December 30, 2010, 03:59:10 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
I think I either need to go to sleep or need my straight jacket as I just read Gema's post  not as
"I am so hoaxsessed that at one point i thought he was Oprah when sitting at the table"
but
*I am so oversexed*
Apologies to Gema. I need a coffee break.

 :lol:  Well, we ARE talking about Michael, so that is an honest mistake.
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: MissG on December 30, 2010, 04:10:27 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: How prostetic make-up can fool you
Post by: loma on December 31, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
Quote from: "ignisaeternus"
I should not have included the bear moonwalking words..LOL. I gave away what to look for...
Haha don't worry I saw it a while back..
[youtube:fens47b6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4[/youtube:fens47b6]
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