Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Batgirl73 on December 14, 2009, 05:37:45 PM

Title: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Batgirl73 on December 14, 2009, 05:37:45 PM
stop the video at 00:03
[youtube:2f58xmc6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IglFN5zOAY[/youtube:2f58xmc6]


you can clearly see that the rows of chairs are asymmetric. look carefully at the first and the last row of chairs, to the right and left... ok?



NOW, see this:

[youtube:2f58xmc6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWNMH4S_cHE[/youtube:2f58xmc6]

1:09 for the last and 1:24 for the first row of chairs: perfectly equal!!!


this is certainly another proof that there are at least two different shoots! and it isnt' possible that they were still arranging the chairs, because the people you see in the first video is already seated, so the ceremony had already begun.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 14, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
00:03 ? are you sure? I dont see the chair footage. Let me know where to pause.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Batgirl73 on December 14, 2009, 05:51:07 PM
sorry I put the wrong video... now it's ok ;)
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: LucyLocket on December 14, 2009, 05:51:39 PM
I really do believe that there are at least two different shoots of the funeral.  Remember the movivng trash cans/tree?  Also, in some versions, there is a tour-type bus in behind the flowers/greenery/piano.  On other versions, it is not there.  Also, the terrace/entry area of the mausoleum building is in some shoots but it is not there in others (the video seems to be shot from the other side of the building).
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: bec on December 14, 2009, 05:59:36 PM
I can't see the last set as it is too dark, but the first set is indeed symetrical in the second video.

That is indeed strange. Good observation Batgirl.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: O-drey-O on December 14, 2009, 06:10:57 PM
You're a good observer!
Yeah I think too there were at least 2 shots or the funeral.
But I'm wondering... Did they do that on purpose to give clues? Because if they didn't, it would be a biiiig mistake...lol
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 14, 2009, 06:16:58 PM
For some reason I think they made a huge mistake. I think they did a burial to make the hoax belivable to the doubters, maybe they knew people wouldnt be convinced if they only saw a memorial so they felt they had to go all the way to make it belivable. Personally I think they made some huge mistakes.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Secret Dove on December 14, 2009, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
For some reason I think they made a huge mistake. I think they did a burial to make the hoax belivable to the doubters, maybe they knew people wouldnt be convinced if they only saw a memorial so they felt they had to go all the way to make it belivable. Personally I think they made some huge mistakes.

Why do you think they made huge mistakes? What mistakes are you talking about? And, why would a funeral be a huge mistake?  :?  :?  :?  :?
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 14, 2009, 06:42:24 PM
Quote from: "Secret Dove"
Why do you think they made huge mistakes? What mistakes are you talking about? And, why would a funeral be a huge mistake?  :?  :?  :?  :?

I mean, they made mistakes and not hidden clues. I think they tried to make it as convincing as possible but we ended up finding clues anyways because they accidently left clues. I think the funeral was arranged to make the hoax belivable to the public but only fans would be able to spot the inconsistancies.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Loes on December 14, 2009, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: "LucyLocket"
I really do believe that there are at least two different shoots of the funeral.  Remember the movivng trash cans/tree?  Also, in some versions, there is a tour-type bus in behind the flowers/greenery/piano.  On other versions, it is not there.  Also, the terrace/entry area of the mausoleum building is in some shoots but it is not there in others (the video seems to be shot from the other side of the building).

Yes the tourbus! I have a picture here.
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi50%26%2346%3Btinypic%26%2346%3Bcom%2Fwgokzm%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=9561fbc150bf9850ba02e5de6c4b3247)

In other photo's and also video there is a big building at the same spot.
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi49%26%2346%3Btinypic%26%2346%3Bcom%2F16iwpwn%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=41a94d9f5be07495cda37a90b56cd411)

Here's a video where you can see the building very clearly at 3.19 and more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8)

I'm so confused about this.
Some people told me it was from a different angle, cameralenses blablabla, but I don't buy that.
Are we wrong ore do we see this right?

Big question is still why they did it twice? Makes no sense!

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Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: foreverking on December 14, 2009, 07:22:47 PM
Only one shoot and one burial. No one will ever see the footage beause of Dave Dave. His speech and words and almost slip up will never be seen by the public.

If you believe there were 2 shoots there would have to be a reason and since no one is ever going to see the footage of the burial why bother to fool people.

Trust me there was only one burial and one filming of the burial. The reason for the building behind the seats looking different are the angles. The burial was at the top of a hill and buildings you see when you look out towards where the casket are far off and further down the hill, they are not directly behing where the burial took place.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Venus on December 14, 2009, 07:47:39 PM
Actually the first video with Jackson brothers makes me believe that he passed :(
Especially when I see one brother crying all the time, becoming speechless. You can't fake it. They are adult men, not actors. This guy seems to be in pain.
and Jermaine is an ass. He's the only one who really happy about the situation, no matter what happen in reality. Now he can play saint and he's a top dog in a family.
I hate him. I hate his face, his nasty smile and talks. He's much older that Michael but seem to be much more healthy though. Why he's such an ass?
Jemaine, if Michael left this world, you'll burn in hell! You are bad brother, bad husband and father! :evil:
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: B-LIEves on December 14, 2009, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: "Loes"
Quote from: "LucyLocket"
I really do believe that there are at least two different shoots of the funeral.  Remember the movivng trash cans/tree?  Also, in some versions, there is a tour-type bus in behind the flowers/greenery/piano.  On other versions, it is not there.  Also, the terrace/entry area of the mausoleum building is in some shoots but it is not there in others (the video seems to be shot from the other side of the building).

Yes the tourbus! I have a picture here.
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi50%26%2346%3Btinypic%26%2346%3Bcom%2Fwgokzm%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=9561fbc150bf9850ba02e5de6c4b3247)

In other photo's and also video there is a big building at the same spot.
(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi49%26%2346%3Btinypic%26%2346%3Bcom%2F16iwpwn%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=41a94d9f5be07495cda37a90b56cd411)

Here's a video where you can see the building very clearly at 3.19 and more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8)

I'm so confused about this.
Some people told me it was from a different angle, cameralenses blablabla, but I don't buy that.
Are we wrong ore do we see this right?

Big question is still why they did it twice? Makes no sense!

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi46%26%2346%3Btinypic%26%2346%3Bcom%2F2ebaamu%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=d6c36abf1c64aae2c69c74e682e8277d)


I remember seeing a picture of the family in a tour bus. If that is the tour bus that the family arrived in, then how can they also arrive in Rolls Royce? Maybe I'm just confused, but yes I believe there were TWO locations involved in the filming!
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: MJJLives on December 14, 2009, 10:28:25 PM
Quote from: "Batgirl73"
stop the video at 00:03
[youtube:7889edl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IglFN5zOAY[/youtube:7889edl4]


you can clearly see that the rows of chairs are asymmetric. look carefully at the first and the last row of chairs, to the right and left... ok?



NOW, see this:

[youtube:7889edl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWNMH4S_cHE[/youtube:7889edl4]

1:09 for the last and 1:24 for the first row of chairs: perfectly equal!!!


this is certainly another proof that there are at least two different shoots! and it isnt' possible that they were still arranging the chairs, because the people you see in the first video is already seated, so the ceremony had already begun.

In the Funeral video, what is that thing black thing floating above?  I figured it is just a light, but HOW THE HECK IS IT FLOATING THERE?  I can't figure it out.  I don't see any wires or anything.  What is it suspended from?  If anyone can help me on this, I would be much appreciative!
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Debbie Zebua on December 14, 2009, 10:50:00 PM
God bless your eyes, Batgirl73 !!
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: LavdHim on December 15, 2009, 12:03:52 AM
If they really made 2 shot at the different places .. I wonder why they did that ?
what's the purpose ? :roll:  :roll:
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: juliet on December 15, 2009, 12:39:57 AM
BATGIRL73, thank you.  You really have good eyes.
The video link that you have with the shadow floating/hovering  - I see something.
Please tell me if you see the same thing.  I didn't play the video, I just looked at the whole thing at 0:00  On the lower left of the vid frame, just above the Arrow for Play counter, there's something in the dark.

I've never seen this video before . I just finished watching it and I noticed that among the shadows, there's like a rod/pole being used just like in having a microphone attached to it.  You will be able to see the pole come out from among the shadows of the tree at about 0:41.

Thanks for this. ;)
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Grazzia on December 15, 2009, 02:23:10 AM
Batgirl73 i love youuuuuuuuuu  :P
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: wilds on December 15, 2009, 03:57:01 AM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
For some reason I think they made a huge mistake. I think they did a burial to make the hoax belivable to the doubters, maybe they knew people wouldnt be convinced if they only saw a memorial so they felt they had to go all the way to make it belivable. Personally I think they made some huge mistakes.

Great point! I agree that it seems they were trying hard to make people believe he's gone. If he already had a televised memorial, why televise the funeral too? And then STILL have a closed casket so no one can see that there is a real body there? AND only partially show the funeral and cut it off - wth?
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Kirsche on December 15, 2009, 08:31:51 AM
I noticed another thing!

At about 3:20, where he's talking about not being afraid of death anymore...He says "I'll see him very soon, I'm sure I will" and look at his smile!! That's not a sad smile.....

and then turn to about 4:02 I think? One of the brothers being interviewed in front of a restaurant....and look at the subtitles "Just seeing my brother smiling"...and that's it! He's says something more but they put no subtitles under it..hm...
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Loes on December 15, 2009, 08:56:32 AM
I found this article on MJkit-forum and one guest told anonymus to the press that mourners left FL before the casket was placed into the vault.
Isn't that strange?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jack ... --61990935 (http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jackson-tomb-remains-a-mystery-at-la-area-cemetery--61990935)

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Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Kirsche on December 15, 2009, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: "Loes"
I found this article on MJkit-forum and one guest told anonymus to the press that mourners left FL before the casket was placed into the tombe.
Isn't that strange?

http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jack ... --61990935 (http://new.music.yahoo.com/michael-jackson/news/jackson-tomb-remains-a-mystery-at-la-area-cemetery--61990935)

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I think it would be disrespectful....IF he was in that casket
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: LucyLocket on December 15, 2009, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: "foreverking"
Only one shoot and one burial. No one will ever see the footage beause of Dave Dave. His speech and words and almost slip up will never be seen by the public.
If you believe there were 2 shoots there would have to be a reason and since no one is ever going to see the footage of the burial why bother to fool people.

Trust me there was only one burial and one filming of the burial. The reason for the building behind the seats looking different are the angles. The burial was at the top of a hill and buildings you see when you look out towards where the casket are far off and further down the hill, they are not directly behing where the burial took place.

Hi foreverking!  I totally missed what you mentioned about Dave Dave!  If you have time, can you tell me more about what happaned?  Thanks!
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: loveumj88 on December 15, 2009, 10:09:00 AM
yes you can really tell that the chairs are assymetrical.. :?
I always belived that the funeral is a fake.. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Batgirl73 on December 15, 2009, 10:20:57 AM
ok this is my theory: I think there are two shooting of the burial (one in HD) to show us ALL THESE FAMOUS PEOPLE. Because they were made in another day and another place. To give us more details to see and believe ... The shooting made from above show the funeral, yes, but maybe those are not the same people! Just my opinion..


this is a shot from the first video:

You can clearly see that the line on the right starts more behind the one on the left
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but you can see that the chairs in the first row are aligned. Look at the distance of the chairs from the two trees in front .. equal. Not in the first video!

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Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: peggysu2 on December 15, 2009, 11:06:06 AM
when i have seen the footage there are definitly differences...

they are shown from different angles and above, and there must have been two different services...

it was all so staged...and everyone was acting....

why they did it twice we may know in the future, but at the moment i cant think why...

 :)  :)
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Estrellita on December 15, 2009, 12:05:43 PM
I wanna see the video
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Estrellita on December 15, 2009, 12:06:53 PM
I wanna see the video
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: Batgirl73 on December 21, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
Can I insist with this BIG FRIGGIN' DIFFERENCE????


LOOK!

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WHERE IS THE FIRST RIGHT ROW OF CHAIRS?


HERE IT IS!!
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AND ON REVERSE FOR PROSPETTIVE!!!

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what's happened there????
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: juliet on December 21, 2009, 07:49:10 PM
BATGIRL, thanks for all the detailed perspective of the funeral.  While everybody's deciphering/figuring out the differences, I tried to look at it in another perspective - AERIAL Perspective.  With the photos you've shown, let's take the chairs and the guests.  The chairs are all in whiter hue and the guests are all in darker hue.  Viewing it from above, the guests IMO were given seating arrangements that you'll notice that they occupy the center; and the front, sides and the back areas are not occupied. The vacant seats you will be able to see the whiter hue and the guests grouped/seated toward the center forming a certain shape. Try to see what shape is being shown.  The whiter hue surrounding the darker hue forming the shape of a tap hat.  The tap hat used by Charlie Chaplin.  The tap hat symbolizes humor or entertainment.  

So, the shape/form that I see from an Aerial perspective is a tap hat, wherein I think the message is that the whole funeral is all in humor, not real but to send a message. All IMO.  For whatever reason they did the funeral,  I wish they(Michael) would come out and explain really soon because my mind is getting congested with speculations - many different speculations and they need to clear them out.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 21, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
Quote from: "juliet"
For whatever reason they did the funeral,  I wish they(Michael) would come out and explain really soon because my mind is getting congested with speculations - many different speculations and they need to clear them out.

I second this.  :(
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: teensy on December 21, 2009, 08:49:17 PM
Quote from: "juliet"
BATGIRL, thanks for all the detailed perspective of the funeral.  While everybody's deciphering/figuring out the differences, I tried to look at it in another perspective - AERIAL Perspective.  With the photos you've shown, let's take the chairs and the guests.  The chairs are all in whiter hue and the guests are all in darker hue.  Viewing it from above, the guests IMO were given seating arrangements that you'll notice that they occupy the center; and the front, sides and the back areas are not occupied. The vacant seats you will be able to see the whiter hue and the guests grouped/seated toward the center forming a certain shape. Try to see what shape is being shown.  The whiter hue surrounding the darker hue forming the shape of a tap hat.  The tap hat used by Charlie Chaplin.  The tap hat symbolizes humor or entertainment.  

So, the shape/form that I see from an Aerial perspective is a tap hat, wherein I think the message is that the whole funeral is all in humor, not real but to send a message. All IMO.  For whatever reason they did the funeral,  I wish they(Michael) would come out and explain really soon because my mind is getting congested with speculations - many different speculations and they need to clear them out.

The hats are interesting. I see it. :shock:  Depending on the amount of people filling the seats, you can see a fedora, a bowler, and a top hat.  :?

Also, if Randy was so concerned about the media getting aerial views of the funeral, why not erect a tent. That would help the guest as well, since they were sitting in 90 degress weather.  :roll:  Or just have it inside.

I can't wait for it to end as well. I don't know in what compacity he is coming back, but I would like the hoax to end sooner than later.
Title: Re: THERE'S SOMETHING STRANGE...
Post by: juliet on December 21, 2009, 09:23:16 PM
TEENSY
I can't wait for it to end as well. I don't know in what compacity he is coming back, but I would like the hoax to end sooner than later

Yeah, me too.  I just wish Michael would be able to fix/come out of it in due time because I am missing him already.  I know he'll redeem himself and he can do it.
All of the speculations of the HOAX seems endless and I'm very surprised by myself and the others for not giving up.

Here's to Michael - You can do it!!!!
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