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Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 06:17:12 AM

Title: Why the stains?
Post by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 06:17:12 AM
Hi!

I noticed, that Michael's clothes were more than once dusty, when he came out of Doctor Klein's office.
That and the stains on his trousers at TII made me wonder.

Why those stains? Why does the biggest star on earth go into the paparazzi crowd with a stained shirt?
Although in one occasion his make up artist was with him?
What are those stains? Make up/powder?

(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/herrjeminee/mj_stains_2.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/herrjeminee/MJ_stains_1.jpg)
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/herrjeminee/mj_stains_3.jpg)

And that's him with his recent make up artist Ruska Bergman( ? something like that name)
He probably has no shirt on, because it was dirty from his doctor's visit with the same outfit.
Also wonder, why he got back to Karen Faye, as he and Ruska seemed to have a very close relationship...

(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy15/herrjeminee/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a63b751a970b-.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: tiida11 on December 14, 2009, 06:53:45 AM
Oh, yes...i've noticed those stains too. I'm sure his clothes are not dirty , it's just powder or make-up . I couldn't imagine he would ever wear dirty clothes !
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: knowhesalive on December 14, 2009, 09:11:18 AM
IDK, but damn he looks good :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: larab on December 14, 2009, 09:18:42 AM
everytime I look at this last photo, I have a real bad feeling. he is SO skinny that it is scary.
I don't know about the stains..he always cared so much about his appearence..it is weird. :?
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: the_gloved_one on December 14, 2009, 09:21:36 AM
i noticed those stain too but, i assume its make-up. what else could it be? Maybe he had a dust/talcum powder fight before the pics were taken??
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: doreentbird on December 14, 2009, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: "larab"
everytime I look at this last photo, I have a real bad feeling. he is SO skinny that it is scary.
I don't know about the stains..he always cared so much about his appearence..it is weird. :?


I AGREE 100%..It is pretty scary to see how skinny he is..Whenever he is, I hope he is gaining weight. :(
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Secret Dove on December 14, 2009, 09:40:29 AM
I don't know why his clothes are dusty. :?  It is possible if he uses a mineral vail/finishing powder, if the person that does his makesup doesn't get the excess powder off the brush, it could get on his shirt. I use a makeup line that's all powder(mineral) and I sometimes get make up on my shirt. I can't think of another reason for the dust on his shirt. :?
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Harleyblonde on December 14, 2009, 10:07:21 AM
I hate to say it but dirty stained clothing like these does support the claims of him indeed with a dependacy on drugs etc or something wrong healthwise. Either that or a depressive state which makes you not too worried about certain things regarding your appearance. Beats me why no-one made him aware but then how many people would have dared to be honest with Michael and say "hey Mike, your clothes are dirty!" I don't know about other members but these photo's are quite disturbing to me. I have never in all these years seen MJ in dirty clothing-even when his children were tots- we all know how messy little ones can be but he was never seen or photographed like this.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: CC on December 14, 2009, 10:15:21 AM
why this girl have the jacket of thriller?
who is she?
 :?
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: LiberianGirl on December 14, 2009, 10:34:40 AM
if that's his make up artist, they look REALLY close to each other hmmm  :?
And baout the stains, it looks like powder to me. Michael is a slim guy always. But hope he gains some weight.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: CC on December 14, 2009, 10:38:42 AM
Quote from: "LiberianGirl"
if that's his make up artist, they look REALLY close to each other hmmm  :?
And baout the stains, it looks like powder to me. Michael is a slim guy always. But hope he gains some weight.
YES... REALLY CLOSE... :twisted:
BUT WHY SHE HAVE THE JACKET?
 :roll:
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: lucrecia on December 14, 2009, 10:47:01 AM
For the jacket both have the same size, apparently.
Black clothes are difficult to wash and kept them well, hehehe!
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: mjboogie on December 14, 2009, 11:38:47 AM
Dang! Was that his girlfriend? Well I dont know lets see what we can find on her. I did not know MJ had a new makeup artist! I always thought it was Karen Faye! When was this picture taken? I am sooooo jealous! :o  :o
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: ibelieve8 on December 14, 2009, 12:08:03 PM
She is/was his stylist.. it's not the thriller jacket, but a  Balmain jacket.. It's actually hers. He's wearing her clothes. :) She did an interview not to long ago, I have no clue where I read it.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Grace on December 14, 2009, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I hate to say it but dirty stained clothing like these does support the claims of him indeed with a dependacy on drugs etc or something wrong healthwise.

Don't agree.

The horizontal light marks on a black shirt do happen when pulling a t-shirt over your head and you have powder on your face. You cannot avoid it except when pulling the neck out first (and most people would never do that).

It seems that Michael was quite normal like you and me and I am SOOOO glad about it.
Remember the dirty hand at O2 announcement with some black smear on it. Must have been the cart or something backstage. I like this. Puts a wide wide smile into my face. ;-)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: CC on December 14, 2009, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: "ibelieve8"
She is/was his stylist.. it's not the thriller jacket, but a  Balmain jacket.. It's actually hers. He's wearing her clothes. :) She did an interview not to long ago, I have no clue where I read it.
THRILLER JACKET!!!
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 01:17:05 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I hate to say it but dirty stained clothing like these does support the claims of him indeed with a dependacy on drugs etc or something wrong healthwise.

Don't agree.

The horizontal light marks on a black shirt do happen when pulling a t-shirt over your head and you have powder on your face. You cannot avoid it except when pulling the neck out first (and most people would never do that).

It seems that Michael was quite normal like you and me and I am SOOOO glad about it.
Remember the dirty hand at O2 announcement with some black smear on it. Must have been the cart or something backstage. I like this. Puts a wide wide smile into my face. ;-)

But there's also a pic, where his trousers are stained as well. Not from the rehearsals, but from the doctor'S.

Found it.
(http://splashnewsonline.celebuzz.com//bfm_gallery/2009/05/JacksonPix/gallery_main/gallery_main-Michael-Jacksonspl101555_008.jpg)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: GirlSaturday on December 14, 2009, 01:29:28 PM
It's odd what one person notices versus what another notices. I had no idea about the various stains until they were pointed out by others.

I was focusing more and noticed the make up and hair. MJ has  worn make up for years. MJ has worn wigs and weaves for years. In past years and in other pictures, his hair and makeup are flawless and near perfection. The wigs never looked thick and "wiggy" and the make up looked very natural and not like pancake.  The make up and wig in these pics  do not look nearly as polished as what we're accustomed to seeing from MJ.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: angelshadow on December 14, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
on the old forum we had increased pictures of the O2 conference
Michael had his whole clothes fully of this Flecken .... somebody has the enlarged O2 picture? Or if it can increase somebody again please....: P Please, Please, Please
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
It's odd what one person notices versus what another notices. I had no idea about the various stains until they were pointed out by others.

I was focusing more and noticed the make up and hair. MJ has  worn make up for years. MJ has worn wigs and weaves for years. In past years and in other pictures, his hair and makeup are flawless and near perfection. The wigs never looked thick and "wiggy" and the make up looked very natural and not like pancake.  The make up and wig in these pics  do not look nearly as polished as what we're accustomed to seeing from MJ.

True! He worked with Ruska Bergman during the last two years, but changed back to Karen Faye.
When did Karen start working for him again?
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: LiteEyeZ22 on December 14, 2009, 02:38:10 PM
I feel its his make up because these arent the only times Michael had problem or stains from his makeup my computer is Down so I can't post pictures but 1 example can b found during the MTV awards in 1995 while he was performing dangerous i guess the sweat from his hands made the make up easier to come off cuz wen he slapped his leg it looked like a make up stain was left.......so MJ is never dirty his make up just causes malfunctions imo....he's human these things happen sheesh lol.....btw he looks Hawt ;-)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: the_gloved_one on December 14, 2009, 02:38:51 PM
Quote from: "Ninanina"

True! He worked with Ruska Bergman during the last two years, but changed back to Karen Faye.
When did Karen start working for him again?

I thought Ruska Bergan was only his stylist - was she responsible for his hair and makeup too? So Ruska was the one  who put Micheal in girls clothes ( all the balmain stuff we've seen him in this year womens wear). I'm not saying Mike doesn't pull off the Balmain look cos he does but, i'm confused!
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: larab on December 14, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I hate to say it but dirty stained clothing like these does support the claims of him indeed with a dependacy on drugs etc or something wrong healthwise. Either that or a depressive state which makes you not too worried about certain things regarding your appearance. Beats me why no-one made him aware but then how many people would have dared to be honest with Michael and say "hey Mike, your clothes are dirty!" I don't know about other members but these photo's are quite disturbing to me. I have never in all these years seen MJ in dirty clothing-even when his children were tots- we all know how messy little ones can be but he was never seen or photographed like this.

I agree..
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 02:57:13 PM
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
Quote from: "Ninanina"

True! He worked with Ruska Bergman during the last two years, but changed back to Karen Faye.
When did Karen start working for him again?

I thought Ruska Bergan was only his stylist - was she responsible for his hair and makeup too? So Ruska was the one  who put Micheal in girls clothes ( all the balmain stuff we've seen him in this year womens wear). I'm not saying Mike doesn't pull off the Balmain look cos he does but, i'm confused!

Haha - I don't know! Maybe he liked her clothes so much, that he wore them!  :D
I think youre right - she was his stylist, not his make up artist.
Here's her interview again - I like the way she speaks about him:
http://www.mj-upbeat.com/RUSKABERGMANTh ... ackson.htm (http://www.mj-upbeat.com/RUSKABERGMANTheLastDinnerWithMichaelJackson.htm)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: lisap27 on December 14, 2009, 02:58:21 PM
Quote from: "ibelieve8"
She is/was his stylist.. it's not the thriller jacket, but a  Balmain jacket.. It's actually hers. He's wearing her clothes. :) She did an interview not to long ago, I have no clue where I read it.

there was a thread on this ^^ with a link attached!! she said Michael took to her cos he seen she wasn't fake / after his money and was a genuine person!! she didn't say they was together she was his stylist!!
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Lorrie on December 14, 2009, 03:23:51 PM
Rushka Bergman is a wardrobe stylist; Karen Faye is a makeup artist and hairstylist. The two women specialize in completely different things, and they were probably hired or let go for different, possibly unrelated reasons.

As for the "stains," they just show that Michael is a normal human being who gets stuff on his clothes sometimes because he's not perfect and not focused on insignificant things like that all of the time. He's a busy man and has better things to worry about than a smudge here and a little dust there when he's going about his normal everyday business.

It's easy to see why he didn't want to be photographed and hated interacting with the media. How distressing it must have been to know that no matter how much effort he put into looking presentable and acting decently, people would analyze the heck out of every little detail, blow things out of proportion, and often attribute any slight imperfection to something negative or "weird."

I so feel for Michael and why he just wanted to get away from everybody but his children and family. The result? June 25. Fans may love Michael, but they also contribute a great deal to his predicament and isolation. Sometimes a stain is just a stain and needs no explanation.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Grace on December 14, 2009, 03:29:52 PM
100 % agreed.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: CC on December 14, 2009, 03:44:03 PM
Quote from: "Lorrie"
Rushka Bergman is a wardrobe stylist; Karen Faye is a makeup artist and hairstylist. The two women specialize in completely different things, and they were probably hired or let go for different, possibly unrelated reasons.

As for the "stains," they just show that Michael is a normal human being who gets stuff on his clothes sometimes because he's not perfect and not focused on insignificant things like that all of the time. He's a busy man and has better things to worry about than a smudge here and a little dust there when he's going about his normal everyday business.

It's easy to see why he didn't want to be photographed and hated interacting with the media. How distressing it must have been to know that no matter how much effort he put into looking presentable and acting decently, people would analyze the heck out of every little detail, blow things out of proportion, and often attribute any slight imperfection to something negative or "weird."

I so feel for Michael and why he just wanted to get away from everybody but his children and family. The result? June 25. Fans may love Michael, but they also contribute a great deal to his predicament and isolation. Sometimes a stain is just a stain and needs no explanation.

thanks lorrie! a stain is just a stain... ;)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: "Lorrie"
Rushka Bergman is a wardrobe stylist; Karen Faye is a makeup artist and hairstylist. The two women specialize in completely different things, and they were probably hired or let go for different, possibly unrelated reasons.

As for the "stains," they just show that Michael is a normal human being who gets stuff on his clothes sometimes because he's not perfect and not focused on insignificant things like that all of the time. He's a busy man and has better things to worry about than a smudge here and a little dust there when he's going about his normal everyday business.

It's easy to see why he didn't want to be photographed and hated interacting with the media. How distressing it must have been to know that no matter how much effort he put into looking presentable and acting decently, people would analyze the heck out of every little detail, blow things out of proportion, and often attribute any slight imperfection to something negative or "weird."

I so feel for Michael and why he just wanted to get away from everybody but his children and family. The result? June 25. Fans may love Michael, but they also contribute a great deal to his predicament and isolation. Sometimes a stain is just a stain and needs no explanation.

I understand completely what you'e saying and I agree.

I just noticed those stains only on recent pics and wondered, if they are of any significance.
It absolutely doesn't matter to me, whether Mike wears dirty clothes or not - I do it all the time as I have a 3 yr old daughter, but we're in a hoax forum and everything MAY have some deeper meaning.
So it's not about him - OMG - having a stain on his shirt - this bothers me not at all.
It's the reason for those specific stains, what I was wondering about, but I guess we won't find out anyways.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: angelshadow on December 14, 2009, 03:48:58 PM
I already wrote MJ was with the O2 conference fully with these Flecken, zooms the clothes
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: CC on December 14, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
@ ninanina
HI!
I understand your point of view, I understand where we come in ... I also note in TII stains on his pants, always the same, the black pants ... Also note that in part looks like you have ripped the ring and thought so rare alignment, sloppy ... but hey, we all have our days and cons ... if they were only rehearsals, after all ... maybe it's just to make it look more authentic.
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: Ninanina on December 14, 2009, 03:57:03 PM
Quote from: "angelshadow"
I already wrote MJ was with the O2 conference fully with these Flecken, zooms the clothes

Yes, just not before I posted the topic ;-)

@CC - yes, a stain is a stain and it's probably nothing!
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: LiberianGirl on December 14, 2009, 03:59:22 PM
Quote from: "Lorrie"
Rushka Bergman is a wardrobe stylist; Karen Faye is a makeup artist and hairstylist. The two women specialize in completely different things, and they were probably hired or let go for different, possibly unrelated reasons.

As for the "stains," they just show that Michael is a normal human being who gets stuff on his clothes sometimes because he's not perfect and not focused on insignificant things like that all of the time. He's a busy man and has better things to worry about than a smudge here and a little dust there when he's going about his normal everyday business.

It's easy to see why he didn't want to be photographed and hated interacting with the media. How distressing it must have been to know that no matter how much effort he put into looking presentable and acting decently, people would analyze the heck out of every little detail, blow things out of proportion, and often attribute any slight imperfection to something negative or "weird."

I so feel for Michael and why he just wanted to get away from everybody but his children and family. The result? June 25. Fans may love Michael, but they also contribute a great deal to his predicament and isolation. Sometimes a stain is just a stain and needs no explanation.

Totally agree with you :) And darn he looks HOT!  8-)
Title: Re: Why the stains?
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on December 16, 2009, 02:41:45 AM
Quote from: "larab"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I hate to say it but dirty stained clothing like these does support the claims of him indeed with a dependacy on drugs etc or something wrong healthwise. Either that or a depressive state which makes you not too worried about certain things regarding your appearance. Beats me why no-one made him aware but then how many people would have dared to be honest with Michael and say "hey Mike, your clothes are dirty!" I don't know about other members but these photo's are quite disturbing to me. I have never in all these years seen MJ in dirty clothing-even when his children were tots- we all know how messy little ones can be but he was never seen or photographed like this.

I agree..

Me too...unfortunately I believe this theory to be more plausible.  It's not just the dirty clothing, but the wigs aren't on perfect like usual either.  And of course I don't think I have to mention how scary skinny he was.  But again, maybe more reason for the hoax.
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