Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Karen Faye => Topic started by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 13, 2009, 03:01:58 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that Karen Faye did Michaels burial makeup and that he looked 'amazing'. If this is true, I mean if Karen Faye really said that then she must be in on the hoax too? This would explain why she 'leaked' photos of the crypt. While everybody was upset that she was stupid enough to leak such photos on Facebook and selling them on TMZ, I think it was all a part of the hoax to make the story more real. I think she was told by the Jackson camp to take photos and place a few flowers and frames on to it and say ''heres where Michael is''.
If Karen Faye claims to have done his makeup, she is in on it. If Michael really was dead I dont believe she would have done this.
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YES, IT'S TRUE... :?
BTW, SHE SAIS SOMETHING ABOUT HIM "DEAD", HOW HE LOOKS OR SOMETHING... :roll:
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Did she really do his makeup? :cry:
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KF may not this, nevertheless, at all! It is Visagistin....
With (2 months) late ...... crazy stories.In addition there is other competence!(this is to be said ill) :?
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Yes, I've also heard she said she did his makeup. So I sure hope she's in on the hoax...or at least a lying crazy person. :lol: Apparently she did a relative of Liza Minelli's makeup for their funeral. But is it common practice to apply makeup to someone who isn't even going to have an open casket? :?
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Yes, I've also heard she said she did his makeup. So I sure hope she's in on the hoax...or at least a lying crazy person. :lol: Apparently she did a relative of Liza Minelli's makeup for their funeral. But is it common practice to apply makeup to someone who isn't even going to have an open casket? :?
but didnt he have an open casket for the private ceremony with the family?
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I didn't think so. After that many days I would be surprised if they did. Plus he's not dead right? So who would have been in the casket if it was open?
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I didn't think so. After that many days I would be surprised if they did. Plus he's not dead right? So who would have been in the casket if it was open?
i was just going by what i thought the family said...
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I read somewhere that Paris left some kind of gift for him but I can't remember what ( besides the crown on the top of the casket) and I was under the impresion they were refering to putting it inside the casket. I don't know for sure what it was as I don't believe any of this and I didn't bother to pay that much attention to it.
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I read somewhere that Paris left some kind of gift for him but I can't remember what ( besides the crown on the top of the casket) and I was under the impresion they were refering to putting it inside the casket. I don't know for sure what it was as I don't believe any of this and I didn't bother to pay that much attention to it.
La Toya said in the interview, Paris gave a gift to dad, necklace with half heart- half for her and half for her dad.. Barbara Walters interview I think..
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she did the make-up of a few months dead person? :shock: ewww.. FAKE!
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I don't think she could be in on the hoax-after all she is only an employee. She will have been told to say that and it is to her advantage career wise eh? The last (or so they want us to believe) person to make up Michael on his last journey and for all eternity.
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First of all, it is very rare (I believe) for a family NOT to have an open casket when then are mourning the death of a loved one. The fact that there was no open casket (when every other "star" had one) screams "Something isnt right" to me. There is no religous reason as far as I know for them not to have had an open casket.
The second reason why I dont believe this story is even if you embalm a body and keep it is the refridgerator it would be decomposed after 3 months. I know I read up on that when they were trying to say that Michael's body would be prepared and make-up put on his face.
The whole funeral / burial story is weird and suspicious to me. Then of course we knew what "DAY" the funeral would wind up being - before it was ever announced because of the bloody shirt in the closet with the 3.99 price tag.
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This is from an interview Thome Thome gave to Daily Mail on July 5.
Made up for his coffin
Michael Jackson’s long-term make-up artist Karen Faye will carefully prepare her boss for his funeral.
She will glue on individual fake eyelashes, followed by three coats of his favourite extra-dark Maybelline Great Lash mascara in blackest black.
A well-worn Chanel kohl pencil will be used to outline the rims of his eyes.
Next, she will apply a coat of pale foundation, translucent powder and Clarins rose-pink lipstick before she puts on his jet-black wig of real hair. Karen, 53, said: ‘It is important Michael looks good.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0ZW0aVaUf (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1197571/Jackson-family-fallout-Exclusive-interview-manager-reveals-rift-funeral.html#ixzz0ZW0aVaUf)
The information on the make up in this article was given by "Another source", not by Tohme.
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all i can say if he was looking so damn good in his casket they should of let us see if they want us to to believe he is dead ;)
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Yes, I've also heard she said she did his makeup. So I sure hope she's in on the hoax...or at least a lying crazy person. :lol: Apparently she did a relative of Liza Minelli's makeup for their funeral. But is it common practice to apply makeup to someone who isn't even going to have an open casket? :?
GOOd question.....I doubt about this make up story
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maybe she did the make up for the blonde lady, or hatman... who knows... they said:
"Michael Jackson’s long-term make-up artist Karen Faye will carefully prepare her boss for his funeral.
She will glue on individual fake eyelashes, followed by three coats of his favourite extra-dark Maybelline Great Lash mascara in blackest black.
A well-worn Chanel kohl pencil will be used to outline the rims of his eyes.
Next, she will apply a coat of pale foundation, translucent powder and Clarins rose-pink lipstick before she puts on his jet-black wig of real hair. Karen, 53, said: ‘It is important Michael looks good.’"
they said for the funeral, not last make up or something like that... :roll:
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A chanel khol pencil to outline the rims of his eyes? Hmm, eyes are closed in death. Also I have been reading for years (and would account for no smudges at all in any photo's or concert footage-even when hot and sweating he had no running eyeliner) that his eyes were tattooed with liner so what the heck are they telling us this BS for?
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A chanel khol pencil to outline the rims of his eyes? Hmm, eyes are closed in death. Also I have been reading for years (and would account for no smudges at all in any photo's or concert footage-even when hot and sweating he had no running eyeliner) that his eyes were tattooed with liner so what the heck are they telling us this BS for?
Really good question!!! The autopsy report said that he had tattooed Eyeliner as well as a pink Lipline...Furthermore KF said she did his final make-up for the funeral (I read that somewhere),which was two months after his death..Just remember putting eyeliner on an 8 week old corpse which would mean to spread his eyes open and everything. You couldn´t do that alone I guess and it would be so creepy to do that... I can´t believe she´d done it, even if Michael was really dead!! Thats not realistic... :roll:
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Thanks for the replies guys.
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Fake ... Fake .. Fake ...
seriously , I doubt you can put makeup on a decomposed body ..... :? :shock: ;) :roll:
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The family had an open casket viewing at the chapel before he was taken to the Staple center so it would make sense that Karen did his make up.
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The family had an open casket viewing...then they had a Private ceremony...then two months later they had an official funeral...apparently...that still doesnt make sense my friend.
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I heard the reason it took so long was because they wanted to bury him whole.
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If they waited so long to bury him because they wanted to bury him whole then why did I hear a few times that his brain was cremated? Wouldn't defeat the purpose? This is all ridiculous useless talk the media writes about IMO because if you think about it the more time we spend discussing, ananlyzing and researching about these stories the more time it takes to figure out the truth. I'd even say we sometimes get so side tracked that we may forget all about others things we we're investigating when such stories come out and then we simply fail to keep discussing the issue that was dropped.
This is my honest opinion on it anyway. ;)
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If they waited so long to bury him because they wanted to bury him whole then why did I hear a few times that his brain was cremated? Wouldn't defeat the purpose? This is all ridiculous useless talk the media writes about IMO because if you think about it the more time we spend discussing, ananlyzing and researching about these stories the more time it takes to figure out the truth. I'd even say we sometimes get so side tracked that we may forget all about others things we we're investigating when such stories come out and then we simply fail to keep discussing the issue that was dropped.
This is my honest opinion on it anyway. ;)
Ditto
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If it was cremated wouldn't it make sense to place the urn in the casket? Why would anyone want to keep it? Only time will tell. When there is an arrest and the whole thing goes through court system then it can be said it's not a hoax it would be impossible to say all this is a hoax with way to many people involved.
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The family had an open casket viewing...then they had a Private ceremony...then two months later they had an official funeral...apparently...that still doesnt make sense my friend.
If I remember well, the problem they had with the burial in July is they had no money for it, and they needed a safe place.
The idea that Karen Faye did the make up before a private open-casket at Forest Lawn before the Staples memorial makes sense, IMHO.
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The Body was long on ice.... KF should have done the Make up :?
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The Body was long on ice.... KF should have done the Make up :?
The Memorial Arrangement Contract established by Forest Lawn leaked by TMZ didn't include embalming, refrigeration, Care and preparation (make-up) nor cremation.
If this document is a true, Michael was not embalmed, nor refrigerated there.
But the document is probably as fake as the other documents we've seen so far, and that leads to the same usual place : nowhere !
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OOpps, SORRY, I made a mistake. I only checked the first page of the Contract, where no embalming and no care and prep appear, but they are on page three. Still no refrigeration on that page.
But, what looks bad is there is a price behind the mention "certified copies of the DC", and if they payed for certified copies of a death certificate, it does mean that there was a certified dead person called Michael J. Jackson (if the document is not a fake).
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Oh Thanks, sometimes something escapes...
thanks for the explanation.... :P
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I read somewhere that Paris left some kind of gift for him but I can't remember what ( besides the crown on the top of the casket) and I was under the impresion they were refering to putting it inside the casket. I don't know for sure what it was as I don't believe any of this and I didn't bother to pay that much attention to it.
I've heard two versions of what Paris supposedly put in the casket. The first version is what someone already mentioned: 2 halves of a broken heart, one half that she put in the casket, and the other she kept for herself. The second version is that it was a heart and key. But mostly it says 2 halves of a broken heart in online sources.
And has anyone ever seen this article that quotes a cousin of MJ's about the supposed private viewing the night before the Memorial?
http://www.people.com/people/package/ar ... 57,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290557,00.html)
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A chanel khol pencil to outline the rims of his eyes? Hmm, eyes are closed in death. Also I have been reading for years (and would account for no smudges at all in any photo's or concert footage-even when hot and sweating he had no running eyeliner) that his eyes were tattooed with liner so what the heck are they telling us this BS for?
Exactly! This entire story and any other of Karen doing his make up is BS. It comes down to a whole lot of assuming on the yellow press's account. IMHO, they assumed because she was his make-up artist for so many years that she would do his make-up for his 'burial'.
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I know two women that have tatooed lined lips and eyes and the tatoos tend to fade really fast. They have touch ups at once a years. It could be that the liner had faded and needed touching up with the pencil.
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And has anyone ever seen this article that quotes a cousin of MJ's about the supposed private viewing the night before the Memorial?
http://www.people.com/people/package/ar ... 57,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290557,00.html)
That's the first time I saw that article. :(
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Exactly! This entire story and any other of Karen doing his make up is BS. It comes down to a whole lot of assuming on the yellow press's account. IMHO, they assumed because she was his make-up artist for so many years that she would do his make-up for his 'burial'.
Karen herself claimed to have done it. What I'm not sure about is whether she gave details about the powder, khol, and so on. IMHO she is able to give such details.
I guess her friends on Facebook know exactly what she told.
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I know two women that have tatooed lined lips and eyes and the tatoos tend to fade really fast. They have touch ups at once a years. It could be that the liner had faded and needed touching up with the pencil.
but if mj was dead why the need to look so good :roll:
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but if mj was dead why the need to look so good :roll:
I don't know where you live, but in many countries, it's a common practice to make-up the dead so that they look good. The aim is to make them look like they looked when they were alive and healthy. So, it makes sense that they made Michael look good to show him to the familiars.
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I just came across this article about embalming on msn... http://health.msn.com/health-topics/car ... >1=31052 (http://health.msn.com/health-topics/caregiving/end-of-life/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100245936>1=31052) It says the body still decomposes within weeks after embalming, and within days after refrigeration. Did anyone actually say they were going to have an open casket at the burial after 70 days?
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but if mj was dead why the need to look so good :roll:
I don't know where you live, but in many countries, it's a common practice to make-up the dead so that they look good. The aim is to make them look like they looked when they were alive and healthy. So, it makes sense that they made Michael look good to show him to the familiars.
i no what you are saying but one of the reasons for not having an open casket was that his face was damaged or something so what i am saying is that if they got him looking so good why not show us then maybe more would be convinced that he died do you understand what i mean
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sorry, but I don't think anyone could do a person's makeup after being dead for 2 months that would be a little creepy.
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This be would really slack-blessed and Abnormal .......... the long-standing Visagistin and friend :shock: :?
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MORE TO THE POINT- How can you do make up on a corpse when there isn't a corpse? On a dead body that isn't dead? On a stiff that isn't a stiff? On someone laid in a casket when the casket is empty? Quite simple - no death= no body= no make up on the dead body that doesn't exist on the dead guy who isn't dead! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: SIMPLE!!
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sorry, but I don't think anyone could do a person's makeup after being dead for 2 months that would be a little creepy.
Obviously, the make-up would have been for the open-casket during the private ceremony before the Staples Memorial, not before the burial in September.
Check the date of the article someone provided us
http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290557,00.html
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Exactly! This entire story and any other of Karen doing his make up is BS. It comes down to a whole lot of assuming on the yellow press's account. IMHO, they assumed because she was his make-up artist for so many years that she would do his make-up for his 'burial'.
Karen herself claimed to have done it. What I'm not sure about is whether she gave details about the powder, khol, and so on. IMHO she is able to give such details.
I guess her friends on Facebook know exactly what she told.
I was referencing the article as to the details, not so much Karen herself. I agree that she would be able to give the details of what make-up Michael used over the years, but so would anyone else that was around him on a regular basis back stage, on a set for an interview, video, ect.
I still say that the press makes assumptions and if no one 'in the know' corrects them, they run with it. We've seen it time and time again.
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I know two women that have tatooed lined lips and eyes and the tatoos tend to fade really fast. They have touch ups at once a years. It could be that the liner had faded and needed touching up with the pencil.
Good point. IMHO, it would make sense to have the tattoos touched up since he was about to do the concerts. If he really was having his face worked on by Klein, it would make sense to have the tattoos touched up as well, so that it didn't have to be applied every night.
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K.F never had to do a lot of work with Michael ...... he is very good-looking :D
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MORE TO THE POINT- How can you do make up on a corpse when there isn't a corpse? On a dead body that isn't dead? On a stiff that isn't a stiff? On someone laid in a casket when the casket is empty? Quite simple - no death= no body= no make up on the dead body that doesn't exist on the dead guy who isn't dead! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: SIMPLE!!
HAHAHA :lol:
I AGREE :!: :!: :!:
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I read somewhere that Paris left some kind of gift for him but I can't remember what ( besides the crown on the top of the casket) and I was under the impresion they were refering to putting it inside the casket. I don't know for sure what it was as I don't believe any of this and I didn't bother to pay that much attention to it.
I've heard two versions of what Paris supposedly put in the casket. The first version is what someone already mentioned: 2 halves of a broken heart, one half that she put in the casket, and the other she kept for herself. The second version is that it was a heart and key. But mostly it says 2 halves of a broken heart in online sources.
And has anyone ever seen this article that quotes a cousin of MJ's about the supposed private viewing the night before the Memorial?
http://www.people.com/people/package/ar ... 57,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290557,00.html)
I read that article before and was hoping to never see it again i remember crying while i was reading that and thinking it's just to much :? :? :? but don't worry you did nothing wrong by posting it tho it just had to say that because it still hurts :( :( :(
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I remember reading an article from Marlon stating how Michael was going to be dressed (re-dressed) with a special made wig (with shoulder length curls), and KF would do his makeup so he is ready for the big day. I cant find the article now, but it was DEFINATELY for the BURIAL. I remember because me and some friends could not believe they were going to do this after 2 months. I will keep looking for the article.
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I remember reading an article from Marlon stating how Michael was going to be dressed (re-dressed) with a special made wig (with shoulder length curls), and KF would do his makeup so he is ready for the big day. I cant find the article now, but it was DEFINATELY for the BURIAL. I remember because me and some friends could not believe they were going to do this after 2 months. I will keep looking for the article.
Oh, you're right. I had forgotten about this.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/08/29/michael-jackson-to-buried-in-a-gold-casket-encased-in-cement-115875-21633985/
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I don't know where you live, but in many countries, it's a common practice to make-up the dead so that they look good. The aim is to make them look like they looked when they were alive and healthy. So, it makes sense that they made Michael look good to show him to the familiars.[/quote]
right - the same here in ger. But Idk what to think about Karen. Why she?
Wouldn't that be somewhat violent? So for many years closely and then in death? If there were one…
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like it with these fall MJ should never be .......
it is done by Bestattungs institute (own means applied)
Certainly no other person may ead.
Schongar not after 2 months.
In my land is impossible such a thing
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Hmmm... :? how can I say this delicately, without being gruesome? Well, it IS good news---that this makeup story is a bunch of bull... :lol: :lol: the flesh of a body without the life coursing at a good clip, through the arteries QUICKLY falls literally apart. Don't take this bad--- ;) THE Michael Jackson is not ;) falling apart, in ANY ;) way, shape, fashion or form, because he is 100% alive :D ! Being bad and hiding from us, but YET, alive. And, he has some 'splainin' :lol: to do, baby!!
But, lifeless bodies DO ---even if refrigerated---EVEN if frozen, especially if you had alot of prescription chemicals in you before you died...come apart quickly. Soft tissue decomposes and drops off, AND---if there was ANY electrical resuscitation going on prior to calling "time", the body would be so leaky and porous, there would be NO DRESSING of it, either, after a single overnight, let alone RUBBING foundation on rippy skin :oops: :roll: . One cannot even handle it, as it comes "unglued" and comes apart in one's hands (why do you think they use sheets and bags to carry corpses??? and pay big bucks to folks who remove bodies from the place in which the dead one gave up the ghost? NO way in "H"."E". double hockey stix, did they dress a three month old corpse to the nines with full "Hottie" make up. BBBBBBBRRRRother! :roll: :roll: I KNEW that was a crock when I first heard Janet (little liar! :P :P ) say he was beautiful in his makeup. (maybe she wasn't lying---maybe she was THINKING about how he looked :) 8-) across the dinner table!!!!!! :D ! I KNOW he DID! He's welcome any time to dress up MY dinner table, too!)
He certainly IS beautiful (made up to look Smokin' Bad, or innocent, bare-baby faced (YEAH! 8-) ), but he wasn't in ANY casket!!! They were all just trying to fix a PICTURE in our minds of the boy King Tut or some other mummified spook, to drive the point home. Methinks this hoax is to prove how spoonfeedable people are. Some of the things they are asking us to believe are just wacky. I wonder if this is some kind of psychological/ sociological experiment some university is doing in cahoots with MJ...?
Everyone who comments that his makeup was flawless and that he looked just like he was sleeping is IN ON THE HOAX!!!!!!!!!! Death is ugly. So, count them up. We don't have to waste time believing anything THOSE folks say to us from now on! 8-)
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Hmmm... :? how can I say this delicately, without being gruesome? Well, it IS good news---that this makeup story is a bunch of bull... :lol: :lol: the flesh of a body without the life coursing at a good clip, through the arteries QUICKLY falls literally apart. Don't take this bad--- ;) THE Michael Jackson is not ;) falling apart, in ANY ;) way, shape, fashion or form, because he is 100% alive :D ! Being bad and hiding from us, but YET, alive. And, he has some 'splainin' :lol: to do, baby!!
But, lifeless bodies DO ---even if refrigerated---EVEN if frozen, especially if you had alot of prescription chemicals in you before you died...come apart quickly. Soft tissue decomposes and drops off, AND---if there was ANY electrical resucitation going on prior to calling "time", the body would be so leaky and porous, there would be NO DRESSING of it, either, after a single overnight, let alone RUBBING foundation on rippy skin :oops: :roll: . One cannot even handle it, as it comes "unglued" and comes apart in one's hands (why do you think they use sheets and bags to carry corpses??? and pay big bucks to folks who remove bodies from the place in which the dead one gave up the ghost? NO way in "H"."E". double hockey stix, did they dress a three month old corpse to the nines with full "Hottie" make up. BBBBBBBRRRRother! :roll: :roll: I KNEW that was a crock when I first heard Janet (little liar! :P :P ) say he was beautiful in his makeup. (maybe she wasn't lying---maybe she was THINKING about how he looked :) 8-) across the dinner table!!!!!! :D ! I KNOW he DID! He's welcome any time to dress up MY dinner table, too!)
He certainly IS beautiful (made up to look Smokin' Bad, or innocent, bare-baby faced (YEAH! 8-) ), but he wasn't in ANY casket!!! They were all just trying to fix a PICTURE in our minds of the boy King Tut or some other mummified spook, to drive the point home.Methinks this hoax is to prove how spoonfeedable people are. Some of the things they are asking us to believe are just wacky. I wonder if this is some kind of psychological/ sociological experiment some university is doing in cahoots with MJ...?
Everyone who comments that his makeup was flawless and that he looked just like he was sleeping is IN ON THE HOAX!!!!!!!!!! Death is ugly. So, count them up. We don't have to waste time believing anything THOSE folks say to us from now on! 8-)
I know what your saying and it's true. But I've seen people in my family that've died with make-up on. But they were burried within a week of dying, not like Michael who was burried 3 months after he "died". :roll:
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:o THANKS THAT CLEARS THAT UP WE CAN ALL MOVE ON ,I DO NOT THINK I WANT MY DINNER NOW :lol:
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Yes. Timing is everything. The undertaker will even tell you..."unh-uh", if they can tell it's too late to make the body presentable. Most everyone needs a little "paint" around that time.
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Hmmm... :? how can I say this delicately, without being gruesome? Well, it IS good news---that this makeup story is a bunch of bull... :lol: :lol: the flesh of a body without the life coursing at a good clip, through the arteries QUICKLY falls literally apart. Don't take this bad--- ;) THE Michael Jackson is not ;) falling apart, in ANY ;) way, shape, fashion or form, because he is 100% alive :D ! Being bad and hiding from us, but YET, alive. And, he has some 'splainin' :lol: to do, baby!!
But, lifeless bodies DO ---even if refrigerated---EVEN if frozen, especially if you had alot of prescription chemicals in you before you died...come apart quickly. Soft tissue decomposes and drops off, AND---if there was ANY electrical resuscitation going on prior to calling "time", the body would be so leaky and porous, there would be NO DRESSING of it, either, after a single overnight, let alone RUBBING foundation on rippy skin :oops: :roll: . One cannot even handle it, as it comes "unglued" and comes apart in one's hands (why do you think they use sheets and bags to carry corpses??? and pay big bucks to folks who remove bodies from the place in which the dead one gave up the ghost? NO way in "H"."E". double hockey stix, did they dress a three month old corpse to the nines with full "Hottie" make up. BBBBBBBRRRRother! :roll: :roll: I KNEW that was a crock when I first heard Janet (little liar! :P :P ) say he was beautiful in his makeup. (maybe she wasn't lying---maybe she was THINKING about how he looked :) 8-) across the dinner table!!!!!! :D ! I KNOW he DID! He's welcome any time to dress up MY dinner table, too!)
He certainly IS beautiful (made up to look Smokin' Bad, or innocent, bare-baby faced (YEAH! 8-) ), but he wasn't in ANY casket!!! They were all just trying to fix a PICTURE in our minds of the boy King Tut or some other mummified spook, to drive the point home. Methinks this hoax is to prove how spoonfeedable people are. Some of the things they are asking us to believe are just wacky. I wonder if this is some kind of psychological/ sociological experiment some university is doing in cahoots with MJ...?
Everyone who comments that his makeup was flawless and that he looked just like he was sleeping is IN ON THE HOAX!!!!!!!!!! Death is ugly. So, count them up. We don't have to waste time believing anything THOSE folks say to us from now on! 8-)
Exactly, funny how you wrote it. :mrgreen:
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Yes, great post and funny too.
It makes so much sense.
The Jacksons are lyers but we are smart ... :D
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@ it's her
Welcome here! I have wondered about you since MJHD crashed a while back. You write such interesting posts!
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Curios1: :D Why, thank you so much! I was afraid I'd get spanked for being gross :oops: :) ... it's nice to see you here, too! Now, where are the other 6,000? ;)
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You're right. Even trying (and I tried hard) there is no way to make things add in that story.
Does someone kept what Karen Faye said about the making-up ?
On the past forum, I had written to tell that the way she was talking about it was not the way it should have been. She was not emotional. In the text I read, she was just telling she had done it, but she didn't say the things she should have said if she had really done it, like : 'it was awful I had to do that. I was so devastated that I could hardly see what I was doing. That was the worst day of my life".
The way she was talking about it was like it was just another make-up session, so I wonder if I missed something, or if that's all she had to say about it.
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Hmmm... :? how can I say this delicately, without being gruesome? Well, it IS good news---that this makeup story is a bunch of bull... :lol: :lol: the flesh of a body without the life coursing at a good clip, through the arteries QUICKLY falls literally apart. Don't take this bad--- ;) THE Michael Jackson is not ;) falling apart, in ANY ;) way, shape, fashion or form, because he is 100% alive :D ! Being bad and hiding from us, but YET, alive. And, he has some 'splainin' :lol: to do, baby!!
But, lifeless bodies DO ---even if refrigerated---EVEN if frozen, especially if you had alot of prescription chemicals in you before you died...come apart quickly. Soft tissue decomposes and drops off, AND---if there was ANY electrical resucitation going on prior to calling "time", the body would be so leaky and porous, there would be NO DRESSING of it, either, after a single overnight, let alone RUBBING foundation on rippy skin :oops: :roll: . One cannot even handle it, as it comes "unglued" and comes apart in one's hands (why do you think they use sheets and bags to carry corpses??? and pay big bucks to folks who remove bodies from the place in which the dead one gave up the ghost? NO way in "H"."E". double hockey stix, did they dress a three month old corpse to the nines with full "Hottie" make up. BBBBBBBRRRRother! :roll: :roll: I KNEW that was a crock when I first heard Janet (little liar! :P :P ) say he was beautiful in his makeup. (maybe she wasn't lying---maybe she was THINKING about how he looked :) 8-) across the dinner table!!!!!! :D ! I KNOW he DID! He's welcome any time to dress up MY dinner table, too!)
He certainly IS beautiful (made up to look Smokin' Bad, or innocent, bare-baby faced (YEAH! 8-) ), but he wasn't in ANY casket!!! They were all just trying to fix a PICTURE in our minds of the boy King Tut or some other mummified spook, to drive the point home.Methinks this hoax is to prove how spoonfeedable people are. Some of the things they are asking us to believe are just wacky. I wonder if this is some kind of psychological/ sociological experiment some university is doing in cahoots with MJ...?
Everyone who comments that his makeup was flawless and that he looked just like he was sleeping is IN ON THE HOAX!!!!!!!!!! Death is ugly. So, count them up. We don't have to waste time believing anything THOSE folks say to us from now on! 8-)
I know what your saying and it's true. But I've seen people in my family that've died with make-up on. But they were burried within a week of dying, not like Michael who was burried 3 months after he "died". :roll:
Yes you are right, dead is ugly :( I have seen a lot of dead persons at my work, nort pretty, well some of them, but most people look very dead, fast.
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Im going to try and find an undertaker and ask if this is possible after 3 months of death.. im going to ask if its possible to look presentable with make-up after 3 months of refrigeration or freezing.
We need an experts take on this.
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Yes, we must ask an expert,thank you Miss.Peppers
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when my grandad died i went and seen him in the undertakers he looked great after his make over for a dead person.. (no i'm not cold hearted saying it like this) he looked like he was goin on his holidays in the clothes my nan had chose for him..
this was on the monday.. he was getting cremated on the friday so we went again on the thursday to say our final goodbyes.. 3 DAYS LATER.. his mouth had opened very slightly an you could clearly see he was deteriorating.. not grosely but little things were different and that was only 3 DAYS later!! so 2 months!! NO-WAY would he look fabulous!! even though he was Michael Jackson!! he was still a human being an no-one stays fabulous in death!! no matter how much money you spend!!
The only one i ever heard of was SAINT BERNADETTE.. if you google her you can see she's still preserved to this day!! but she was a nun and a saint.. from about 1800's i think
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I think it is impossible after 2 monaten.
The process can be detained, however, nevertheless, impossibly the KF this did :!:
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Does anyone remember when Anna Nicole died, the coroner started pushing her family to burry her because her body was deteriorating so fast. This was about 3 weeks after her death. I don't think the family had an open casket at her funeral because she had decayed to the point that she wasn't presentable.
I can not see how Karen was able to put make up on a 3 month old dead body! I think it would be impossible with the decaying and I'm sure it would smell pretty bad too. :?
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:P No
I do not believe that with KF :!:
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This is from an interview Thome Thome gave to Daily Mail on July 5.
Made up for his coffin
Michael Jackson’s long-term make-up artist Karen Faye will carefully prepare her boss for his funeral.
She will glue on individual fake eyelashes, followed by three coats of his favourite extra-dark Maybelline Great Lash mascara in blackest black.
A well-worn Chanel kohl pencil will be used to outline the rims of his eyes.
Next, she will apply a coat of pale foundation, translucent powder and Clarins rose-pink lipstick before she puts on his jet-black wig of real hair. Karen, 53, said: ‘It is important Michael looks good.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0ZW0aVaUf (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1197571/Jackson-family-fallout-Exclusive-interview-manager-reveals-rift-funeral.html#ixzz0ZW0aVaUf)
Why give us this much detail? I think it is really weird...
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Hi Everyone
It seems as though most of us think that KF can not be part of MJ's disappearance plan. But why will she then say she did MJ's make-up?
She either has to be part of his disappearance plan, or the family must have told her just to tell everyone these stories in order to make his fans "happy" (if that is the correct word), but then told her that "his body is too badly decomposed" and that she doesn't need to do the make-up?
I really don't understand her involvement in this. She was said to have been seen leaving UCLA on the 25th of June with a visitors card on her blouse as well?
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She either has to be part of his disappearance plan, or the family must have told her just to tell everyone these stories in order to make his fans "happy" (if that is the correct word), but then told her that "his body is too badly decomposed" and that she doesn't need to do the make up ?
100% AGREED, FAME I SUPPOSE... ;)
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This is from an interview Thome Thome gave to Daily Mail on July 5.
Made up for his coffin
Michael Jackson’s long-term make-up artist Karen Faye will carefully prepare her boss for his funeral.
She will glue on individual fake eyelashes, followed by three coats of his favourite extra-dark Maybelline Great Lash mascara in blackest black.
A well-worn Chanel kohl pencil will be used to outline the rims of his eyes.
Next, she will apply a coat of pale foundation, translucent powder and Clarins rose-pink lipstick before she puts on his jet-black wig of real hair. Karen, 53, said: ‘It is important Michael looks good.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0ZW0aVaUf (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1197571/Jackson-family-fallout-Exclusive-interview-manager-reveals-rift-funeral.html#ixzz0ZW0aVaUf)
she probalbybdid the make up for her boss.. buuuuuuuuut, him being another person?? In disguise :)
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:o THANKS THAT CLEARS THAT UP WE CAN ALL MOVE ON ,I DO NOT THINK I WANT MY DINNER NOW :lol:
haha i know I have a plate of food before me but now.. I gotta say :shock: I dont feel too good. lol
But yeah good point.
I mean we could not see the body at the memorial which was approximately 12 days after the "death" because they said his face collapsed (although the ambulance picture shows his face to be just fine) but at the funeral months after the "death" they were gonna open the casket?
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8-) Quote="LLJ": Emma_Lollipop wrote:
This is from an interview Thome Thome gave to Daily Mail on July 5.
Made up for his coffin
Michael Jackson’s long-term make-up artist Karen Faye will carefully prepare her boss for his funeral.
She will glue on individual fake eyelashes, followed by three coats of his favourite extra-dark Maybelline Great Lash mascara in blackest black.
A well-worn Chanel kohl pencil will be used to outline the rims of his eyes.
Next, she will apply a coat of pale foundation, translucent powder and Clarins rose-pink lipstick before she puts on his jet-black wig of real hair. Karen, 53, said: ‘It is important Michael looks good.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne) ... z0ZW0aVaUf
Why give us this much detail? I think it is really weird...
Why give us this much detail? I think it is really weird...
They are just going by instructions from the :D Master Magician himself. A magician will first ;) TELL you what you are going :o to see, so you expect to see it (and ONLY :shock: see THAT). I don't think the coffin was empty---MJ wouldn't risk his whole plan, convincing people he's dead, by leaving open a loose end, like the possiblility that some overwrought fan would throw themselves on the box and :oops: tip it over!! :shock: spilling NOTHING :o :? out! :roll: !! Nope, he thought of everything! They placed a doll or something in there---OMG!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: THAT's what he collected those mannequins for, when he was living at home!!!---which would NECESSARILY require makeup to even sorta-kinda be believable as the REAL MJ!! :lol: :lol: Then, in the event someone cracked open the box, and "he" fell out, peoples' eyes would be DRAWN to what they expected to see: his human hair wig, his rose lips and his pearl necklace---INSTEAD of the FACT that the doll somehow didn't fall loose(they are not "stiff" forever), as a body, as dead weight would, or even really look like him...and it would only be SECONDS, before security was ALL over THAT, making sure no one could see ANYTHING.
KFaye MEANT (in her head), "This fake Michael's gotta look good---It's IMPORTANT, IN CASE some goofball springs him from the magic box." Gotta watch those magicians...they are a sneaky bunch....Am I right or am I right? :lol: :lol:
I must say, if I thought for a millisecond that Babycake was dead, I could not be so macabre (it would be SO disrespectful). I would NEVER. It's ONLY because HE'S :twisted: :lol: PLAYING Halloween games that I can do this. He was right---he IS bad!
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Just thought of something...........my boss was going to school to be an undertaker, so tomorrow I will ask him about this 3 month business and see what he has to say. Let you know tomorrow evening. Could be real interesting.
karralyn
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Just thought of something...........my boss was going to school to be an undertaker, so tomorrow I will ask him about this 3 month business and see what he has to say. Let you know tomorrow evening. Could be real interesting.
karralyn
I would love to hear what he has to say. Thank you.
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Its an old posting, but I also asked today an undertaker on his blog (email). Waiting for the answer. I hope I'll get one.....
Here is a link (sorry, german, but with firefox you can translate), its about Embalming USA/germany. Its very interesting.
http://bestatterweblog.de/archives/Einb ... alming/248 (http://bestatterweblog.de/archives/Einbalsamierung-Embalming/248)
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Forgive me but I am not celebrity savvy. Who is Karen Faye?
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Ok............here goes.
As I said, I asked my boss today about a body being kept "on ice" for 3 months, if the body was embalmed, [no disrespect intended], .... is it possible it could be preserved enough to apply make-up, and clothing, etc. He said IT IS POSSIBLE. He said " on ice", is really just how you see in the movies, on a slab in a drawer. He also said, a body that has been buried, if dug up after some years, could still be intact,...........depending on the ground where the burial was, if there was a lot of water run-off there, the seal on the casket.
He knew why I was asking , by the way, as I pretty much have converted him to our belief MJ is alive.
I guess that was NOT the answer I wanted, but that's what he told me.
karralyn
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If you go to youtube there is a video called embalming, dressing, casketing, and making-up the dead. Interesting, especially the make-up part, as they use a "special"make-up. Sorry, I don't know how to post the link or I would.
karralyn
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Thank you Karralyn ;)
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@ jill
Michaels longtime stylist and friend is Karen Faye
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After an emotional sunset funeral, Jackson’s coffin will be immediately encased in deep concrete to deter grave robbers and ghouls
Well I think that they're doing that not because there going to be robbers but because it's empty,better hide the evidence after all.
And I don't think someone could bear doing the make of a dead friend,boss that you know for more 20 years , what's more dead for more than 2 months .
It would be unbearable and extremely traumatizing , don't you think ?
Now I do not know Karen Faye but even police officers that see corpses that old are normally disturbed (I know someone's father wich had the experience and it seemed highly disturbing) , what kind of nerves does she have ? :shock:
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Well I don't know about make up artists. But I know that people who are in the line of business of protecting life or saving lives or in some professions preserving the dead such as firefighters, emts, paramedics and morticians are, in a way, grow numb at the sight of a corpse.
but a makeup artist such as Karen faye I would think her line of work means working with people who are alive so I wouldnt think she would be able to handle such a task as making up a corpse. although (if Michael is gone) she may have felt obligated because she was his friend.
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picture KF putting makeup on a corpse... i'm sorry i don't believe it...
and why put makeup on a corpse no one will see anyway...
besides.. MJ wouldn't look like himself after such a long time anyway...
HOAX :evil:
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Hello, people.. Are you thinking?!
She said she did make-up on Michael Jackson before his burial.. (and his memorial!)
I wrote this to one of the hoax-video makers on YouTube..
Ofcourse did Karen do make up on Michael Jackson.. Or else he Michael would be recogniced at both 'shows' Memorial and Funeral.. Make up = Diguise..
It's not any personal family members or friends that use to 'make up' the dead body.. It's someone who work with the "burial service"..
It's ofcourse obvious to make the dead body look good when it's dead, and use their favour cloths and "make up." So why is it intersting to tell this?.. Ofcourse should Michael look good, and don't need an autopsy if he dies.. The body should be kept as it always was.. There is nothing done yet, even they did a "autopsy and michael died.."
The reason why this was told, in my opinion, is to give us a CLUE!!
Michael was at the memorial and burial/funeral, but not as himself, and not in the casket!!
-But with help from Karen to have make up/diguise..
The clue is OBVIOUS!
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^^^ :mrgreen: :D
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A chanel khol pencil to outline the rims of his eyes? Hmm, eyes are closed in death. Also I have been reading for years (and would account for no smudges at all in any photo's or concert footage-even when hot and sweating he had no running eyeliner) that his eyes were tattooed with liner so what the heck are they telling us this BS for?
yes. his eyes were tattooed lol it wasnt eyeliner it was a tattoo, but i heard as he got older the tattoo faded so iunno but i think shes lying.
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I always thought Funeral Homes had their own make-up people who were specially trained to apply make-up to corpses. They do over here anyway (UK)
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I remember reading somewhere that Karen Faye did Michaels burial makeup and that he looked 'amazing'. If this is true, I mean if Karen Faye really said that then she must be in on the hoax too? This would explain why she 'leaked' photos of the crypt. While everybody was upset that she was stupid enough to leak such photos on Facebook and selling them on TMZ, I think it was all a part of the hoax to make the story more real. I think she was told by the Jackson camp to take photos and place a few flowers and frames on to it and say ''heres where Michael is''.
If Karen Faye claims to have done his makeup, she is in on it. If Michael really was dead I dont believe she would have done this.
Not only Karen Faye has done his makeup but also Michael Bush who is Michaels designer worked with KF to make Michael look good...this is really strange. He (Michael Bush) appeares in TII Film, but not onla there.
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AND isn´t it strage that Michaels family has seen Michael family has an open coffin viewing of Michael's body at Forest Lawn, but they told us that they did not wanted us to see it...It is strange at all
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I read, that the coffin was not gonna be open because his face was damaged in a way, that he would look very bad. But apparently his kids saw the open coffin before the memorial :shock: And I also read that the kids saw him right before the burial, and thats 3 months later...... I cant imagine he would look better there, ( sorry Michael )
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Does anyone remember the article that was written about the mascara that was used etc.? I don't know if it's on one of the other pages or not. Anyway, what stuck out really weird to me is the fact that it went into so such detail on what make-up was being used. Now it might just be me, but I have been told for years that when someone gives you too much detail they are trying to cover up the truth. So of course, after reading the article, that popped in my head and I couldn't believe it.
I go back and forth on how I feel about Karen Faye, as a close personal friend, if I was asked to do something like that, I think I would have to muster up everything I had to do it. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to because of the emotions. I don't know what to think of that one.
Just my thought.
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i thought that you could not use regular make-up on a corpse. dead people lack moisture in their skins, thus it may difficult to apply and for it to remain
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The thing is.... Karen Faye is telling her FAcebook friends that she put a bracelet on MJs ankle and her friend who makes these bracelets is selling them to fans.
I dont get that bit either.... i dont know if KF is lying or not. I cannot make my mind up.
Its one thing to lie about doing his makeup in the coffin.... which would be a pretty awful lie to say.... but then to trick fans into buying a bracelet she says is on his ankle in his coffin? :?
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Hello, people.. Are you thinking?!
She said she did make-up on Michael Jackson before his burial.. (and his memorial!)
I wrote this to one of the hoax-video makers on YouTube..
Ofcourse did Karen do make up on Michael Jackson.. Or else he Michael would be recogniced at both 'shows' Memorial and Funeral.. Make up = Diguise..
It's not any personal family members or friends that use to 'make up' the dead body.. It's someone who work with the "burial service"..
It's ofcourse obvious to make the dead body look good when it's dead, and use their favour cloths and "make up." So why is it intersting to tell this?.. Ofcourse should Michael look good, and don't need an autopsy if he dies.. The body should be kept as it always was.. There is nothing done yet, even they did a "autopsy and michael died.."
The reason why this was told, in my opinion, is to give us a CLUE!!
Michael was at the memorial and burial/funeral, but not as himself, and not in the casket!!
-But with help from Karen to have make up/diguise..
The clue is OBVIOUS!
Now you made a good a point, and I hadn't thought about it before. A specialist must be the right person to makeup a dead body, not a professional that doesn't have any experience with it. I think it makes sense :!: :!:
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Karen is a professional make up artist. Maybe she had a professional who knew how to do corpse makeup with her to advise her.
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Karen is a professional make up artist. Maybe she had a professional who knew how to do corpse makeup with her to advise her.
It's almost the same to let a family member that is a police, to investigate on something you've done..
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no i don't think she would have the skill, i may be speaking rubbish, i guess i have watched death becomes her too much.
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First of all, it is very rare (I believe) for a family NOT to have an open casket when then are mourning the death of a loved one. The fact that there was no open casket (when every other "star" had one) screams "Something isnt right" to me. There is no religous reason as far as I know for them not to have had an open casket.
The second reason why I dont believe this story is even if you embalm a body and keep it is the refridgerator it would be decomposed after 3 months. I know I read up on that when they were trying to say that Michael's body would be prepared and make-up put on his face.
The whole funeral / burial story is weird and suspicious to me. Then of course we knew what "DAY" the funeral would wind up being - before it was ever announced because of the bloody shirt in the closet with the 3.99 price tag.
Could this be the reason why they used a helicopter to transport the body, so everybody could see a body????
And even if so could this be the reason why they kept him for the second autopy the funeral (where they would burry him discussion) so they had a reason to stall the funeral...cuz they would then have the reason of decomposing body for not showing his body to the public???
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Does anyone remember the article that was written about the mascara that was used etc.? I don't know if it's on one of the other pages or not. Anyway, what stuck out really weird to me is the fact that it went into so such detail on what make-up was being used. Now it might just be me, but I have been told for years that when someone gives you too much detail they are trying to cover up the truth. So of course, after reading the article, that popped in my head and I couldn't believe it.
I go back and forth on how I feel about Karen Faye, as a close personal friend, if I was asked to do something like that, I think I would have to muster up everything I had to do it. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to because of the emotions. I don't know what to think of that one.
Just my thought.
She did betay him and she did get fired for that after the trials... but what ever! That artikle was just advertising!!! As you can read they just mention 2 brands, 2 brand that are afortable to the common "man"...
The others foundation and powder brands were not mentioned at all... this is just pure $$$
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By the way, you cannot embalm a body until after the autopsy. And he had two of them.
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if you are going to fake your own death, then why do anything out of the normal the norm must prevail, so why have a helicopter, with two bodies in it?
why has KF do the make-up with regular make up when it should be special corpse make-up because the skin has lost all moisture?
the norm must prevail, so why do something that is not normal, this would cause speculation, but it would seem only a few, this website only has about 2 thousand members that is a small percentage of the world population.
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By the way, you cannot embalm a body until after the autopsy. And he had two of them.
I did not even think about that! It makes perfect sense, though!
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Gosh, I'm still confused. In one instance, I believe Karen is bitter because she's not apart of the hoax. But, in another instance, I know she was lying about doing Michael's make-up for the burial. Hmmm.... Yeah, maybe the Jackson family just asked her to lie.
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the arabian nights wrote; if you are going to fake your own death, then why do anything out of the normal the norm must prevail, so why have a helicopter, with two bodies in it?
why has KF do the make-up with regular make up when it should be special corpse make-up because the skin has lost all moisture?
the norm must prevail, so why do something that is not normal, this would cause speculation, but it would seem only a few, this website only has about 2 thousand members that is a small percentage of the world population.
But there are other forums in English, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, ... have to tell people that only reads the forum and is not involved, I know that the world population is huge, but rumor on the rarity of these items have already discussed 8-)
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Dear Goodness, This is a fiesty forum! Karen Faye using cheapy Maybelline on HIS gorgeous super duper lashes, never! Firstly, any makeup artist, or woman for that matter, knows you put on foundation first, before eyes or anything, And the spanking new wig (I know there is an article somewhere where LaToya really gets into HIS new wig) you always put the wig on last to make sure no make up gets on it, Babycakes ( I do love that pet name, so perfect) knew that 4 sure! Karen Faye was a professional make-up artist, not like the girls you swirl bare minerals on you at Ulta. She did STAGE make-up for Mike, remember. She would certainly know how to do make-up on a dead body, or a life mask to cover a dead body's face and transform it into voila! The Master himself. It gets curiouser and curiouser the twists and turn HE sends us thru. No dead Mike . No dead Mike body. Some body... dead. Had to look like Mike. Someone is in on this. Who?
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It's strange...Is it possible to do this kind of make up on a body that is dead since 3 months ? That's why I think that Karen is part of it,I know she make a lot of statement that make us think she isn't part of it,but she has to be.
Or she saw another face...but she know him since at least 25 years...would she mistake his face for one another ?
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I honestly think she is lying about this. It is not possible to do that sort of makeup on a corpse dead for 3 months. No way.
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You know what I think?
I think she IS in on the hoax and her job is to convince people he is dead. Most every long time MJ fan knows who Karen Faye is and knew how close she was to him.....she was by his side constantly. So what better person to help TRY and pull this off then her?
She knows alot of people would follow her around and cling to her cus she was close to MJ...asking her Q's about MJ. So she now has TONS of his fans following her around the internet like little lost puppy dogs.....
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Karen has now stated on facebook that the autopsy report was "rigged"
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rigged?? how?
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rigged?? how?
She didnt say... :?
She has also recently said she witnessed Debbie Rowe give MJ an injection.. but again, didnt elaborate.
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Rigged? Wtf is she on about now? :roll: I don't understand her.
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Rigged? Wtf is she on about now? :roll: I don't understand her.
Cryptic clues....
I also saw on TV that Debbie gave MJ ALOT of Demerol shots back a fews ago. I think Dr Hoefflin had the reports and he showed them on TV...with Deb's writing and time and how much etc...
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Rigged? Wtf is she on about now? :roll: I don't understand her.
Cryptic clues....
I also saw on TV that Debbie gave MJ ALOT of Demerol shots back a fews ago. I think Dr Hoefflin had the reports and he showed them on TV...with Deb's writing and time and how much etc...
yes heard something about deb rowe giving mike that drug wasnt it Klein who mentioned it on TMZ
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rigged? What does she mean?
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Applying makeup is applying makeup.
It would be the difference in ingrediants.
If she applied the makeup, she used special makeup for the corpse.
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rigged?? how?
She didnt say... :?
She has also recently said she witnessed Debbie Rowe give MJ an injection.. but again, didnt elaborate.
Debbie Rowe??? Oh for God's sake, Karen is out of her mind!!!! Debbie didn't have any contacts with MJ!!!
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You know what I think?
I think she IS in on the hoax and her job is to convince people he is dead. Most every long time MJ fan knows who Karen Faye is and knew how close she was to him.....she was by his side constantly. So what better person to help TRY and pull this off then her?
She knows alot of people would follow her around and cling to her cus she was close to MJ...asking her Q's about MJ. So she now has TONS of his fans following her around the internet like little lost puppy dogs.....
I agree. I was thinking perhaps she's just a player or character in all of this. She has to play her role.
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You know what I think?
I think she IS in on the hoax and her job is to convince people he is dead. Most every long time MJ fan knows who Karen Faye is and knew how close she was to him.....she was by his side constantly. So what better person to help TRY and pull this off then her?
She knows alot of people would follow her around and cling to her cus she was close to MJ...asking her Q's about MJ. So she now has TONS of his fans following her around the internet like little lost puppy dogs.....
I agree. I was thinking perhaps she's just a player or character in all of this. She has to play her role.
She's playing it badly.
Unless it is her 'job' to confuse everybody, in that case she is really playing her part well. I don't trust that woman.
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I don't think Karen did make up on MJ two months after he passed,I believe she did it for the private family veiwing.There's really no need to do make -up on a decomposing body unless MJ had the same embalming fluid as Stalin. I don't think Karen is part of a hoax and I believe she's telling the truth,she was very close to Michael.
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I don't think Karen did make up on MJ two months after he passed,I believe she did it for the private family veiwing.There's really no need to do make -up on a decomposing body unless MJ had the same embalming fluid as Stalin. I don't think Karen is part of a hoax and I believe she's telling the truth,she was very close to Michael.
so you believe mike's passed? no prob if that's you do - just thought i would ask?
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I don't think Karen did make up on MJ two months after he passed,I believe she did it for the private family veiwing.There's really no need to do make -up on a decomposing body unless MJ had the same embalming fluid as Stalin. I don't think Karen is part of a hoax and I believe she's telling the truth,she was very close to Michael.
so you believe mike's passed? no prob if that's you do - just thought i would ask?
Why do you think she is called Karen Fake ? :lol: She really is a nutcase, who wished she was close to Michael.
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why would mike be close to a nutcase i would have thought he would avoid pp like that - maybe he thought she was funny
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why would mike be close to a nutcase i would have thought he would avoid pp like that - maybe he thought she was funny
Hefired her in 2005 with no further notice and for very good reasons; he rehired her for TII, I don't know why, but she claimed she couldn't talk to him, only do his makeup and that was that. She claimed this was security's fault but I think Michael instructed the security not to let her get close to him, because of what happened in the past. I don' t believe for a minute he didn't agree with the security ;)
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why would mike be close to a nutcase i would have thought he would avoid pp like that - maybe he thought she was funny
Hefired her in 2005 with no further notice and for very good reasons; he rehired her for TII, I don't know why, but she claimed she couldn't talk to him, only do his makeup and that was that. She claimed this was security's fault but I think Michael instructed the security not to let her get close to him, because of what happened in the past. I don' t believe for a minute he didn't agree with the security ;)
isnt or wasnt she freelance so he just used someone else - she was not exclusive
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Just saying...Karen Faye IS part of the HOAX, and we KNOW this for a fact, because she did her part and "lied" about making up the corpse of MJ when there IS none. :roll: Letting this particular corpse ripen for three months was so we would KNOW that NO one---even his old makeup/friend could have stood trying to putty him up and keep the parts together on someone she KNEW, alive. :shock: I think it is against the law for friends, employees or relatives---anyone--- in America to do that once the undertaker gets the body. It is really creepy that MJ would have her part in the hoax be to say she DID this!!
That TELLs us that he IS NOT dead! YAY!
He seems to be trying to make this tale as grotesque as possible so the REAL fans will know it is crap. He's SO crazy. :!: :lol: :o ;)
Even if they weren't friends, as you said, (WHY? :? I don't understand how you have that much history and part ways at THIS late date???) seeing his body in rotting pieces would have made her a basketcase...
Heck, he's probably not wearing ANY 8-) :) makeup now, letting his naked skin BREATHE. (Take as long as you need Doll; Ahhh, there's NOthing like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could getaway with it, but I'd have to hide, too. :lol:
And I agree with what someone else right here somewhere, said, that if she made him up, it is TOTally ALIVE and in disguise!! ;)
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Maybe she did do the make up on a corpse,... but it wasnt the real MJ that she did the make up on.
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Not me, but however kept this a person who died three months ago and is ,...¿ looks spectacular ?,... La Toya said it ........ :lol: :lol:
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Maybe she did do the make up on a corpse,... but it wasnt the real MJ that she did the make up on.
either that, or nobody at all, since nobody died... ;) and why do stage-like make up when you're not showing the body anyway? is that really necessary when just the immediate family gets the open casket? and then joe said janet prepared him and that he even had his sunglasses on? why make up when you cover it with sunglasses?
and how do you keep make up on a frozen corpse anyway? it will start melting as soon as you put the body in room temperature and the melting will create water on the skin, i believe. maybe she did it before they froze him and that's why it looked so 'great'...? yeah, sure... :roll:
no effin' way!!!
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I honestly think she is lying about this. It is not possible to do that sort of makeup on a corpse dead for 3 months. No way.
yek decomposing, smelly and googy
still love you mj
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could she be getting paid to say some lines like "yeah I put makeup on Michael for his funeral"? There are some things about karen faye that make me believe she would not be in on the hoax. She confuses me to say the least.
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I honestly think she is lying about this. It is not possible to do that sort of makeup on a corpse dead for 3 months. No way.
yek decomposing, smelly and googy
still love you mj
:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah, any which way. we don't care about looks here, it's the inner values that count. l.o.v.e. conquers anything! :mrgreen:
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no what i mean is that it was about 3 months before he was put in the tomb, and he was not embalmed, so he was in the fridge, so what stated must he be in.
it must be yucky right so how can you put regular make on and how can latoya say he looked good, wouldnt that not be the case?
[ not disrepect to mike because it was not him] or was that the plan to have a corpse that had decomposed so no one would know
but i think dna
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Maybe she did do the make up on a corpse,... but it wasnt the real MJ that she did the make up on.
I think what you mean to say is that she did make up on herself???? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
...sorry.
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Maybe she did do the make up on a corpse,... but it wasnt the real MJ that she did the make up on.
maybe she did the make up to somebody else to try that this person look like MJ :roll:
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all i can say if he was looking so damn good in his casket they should of let us see if they want us to to believe he is dead ;)
I agree 100%!
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Just saying...Karen Faye IS part of the HOAX, and we KNOW this for a fact, because she did her part and "lied" about making up the corpse of MJ when there IS none. :roll: Letting this particular corpse ripen for three months was so we would KNOW that NO one---even his old makeup/friend could have stood trying to putty him up and keep the parts together on someone she KNEW, alive. :shock: I think it is against the law for friends, employees or relatives---anyone--- in America to do that once the undertaker gets the body. It is really creepy that MJ would have her part in the hoax be to say she DID this!!
That TELLs us that he IS NOT dead! YAY!
He seems to be trying to make this tale as grotesque as possible so the REAL fans will know it is crap. He's SO crazy. :!: :lol: :o ;)
Even if they weren't friends, as you said, (WHY? :? I don't understand how you have that much history and part ways at THIS late date???) seeing his body in rotting pieces would have made her a basketcase...
Heck, he's probably not wearing ANY 8-) :) makeup now, letting his naked skin BREATHE. (Take as long as you need Doll; Ahhh, there's NOthing like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could getaway with it, but I'd have to hide, too. :lol:
And I agree with what someone else right here somewhere, said, that if she made him up, it is TOTally ALIVE and in disguise!! ;)
People that are embalmed take a long time to decompose. Add a refrigerator to that ...long time..He hadn't come undone when she did his make-up. Add an air tight container...longer. If Michael is in that tomb he's probably in pretty good shape still.
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But if your body have had 2 autopsys, they DONT embalm. Well. usually not.
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Maybe his family didn't want to show him to the public and give photographers access to him. Can you imagine all the horrible captions beneath the pictures? The late night comedians?
Photographers and press had been so nasty to Michael, and they had so much access to him in life, perhaps the family just decided to shut them down and not give them something else to use to make fun of him. If he did die, that makes sense to me.
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Just saying...Karen Faye IS part of the HOAX, and we KNOW this for a fact, because she did her part and "lied" about making up the corpse of MJ when there IS none. :roll: Letting this particular corpse ripen for three months was so we would KNOW that NO one---even his old makeup/friend could have stood trying to putty him up and keep the parts together on someone she KNEW, alive. :shock: I think it is against the law for friends, employees or relatives---anyone--- in America to do that once the undertaker gets the body. It is really creepy that MJ would have her part in the hoax be to say she DID this!!
That TELLs us that he IS NOT dead! YAY!
He seems to be trying to make this tale as grotesque as possible so the REAL fans will know it is crap. He's SO crazy. :!: :lol: :o ;)
Even if they weren't friends, as you said, (WHY? :? I don't understand how you have that much history and part ways at THIS late date???) seeing his body in rotting pieces would have made her a basketcase...
Heck, he's probably not wearing ANY 8-) :) makeup now, letting his naked skin BREATHE. (Take as long as you need Doll; Ahhh, there's NOthing like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could getaway with it, but I'd have to hide, too. :lol:
And I agree with what someone else right here somewhere, said, that if she made him up, it is TOTally ALIVE and in disguise!! ;)
People that are embalmed take a long time to decompose. Add a refrigerator to that ...long time..He hadn't come undone when she did his make-up. Add an air tight container...longer. If Michael is in that tomb he's probably in pretty good shape still.
:oops: Yikes---Michael is not in ANY :!: tomb... :D
now, as to the remarkably well preserved, for a three month old corpse rumor: forget it! The story goes that they did not embalm this body--if ever, for days and days, while they ordered two autopsies. I ask you to place ANY kind of meat FULLY "embalmed" (- -with any kind of preservatives), in your fridge, and tell me how it looks after three months. Even JERKY becomes yukky with condesation. There are things... :o inside flesh which immediately break down the body when even still alive--such as when in shock. Once the life leaves the body, things happen pretty durn speedily... :? These creatures had a good head start! :? :roll:
The fact that someone even tried to get us to buy something so goofy, proves that MJ is trying to get us to KNOW it's a hoax and the particular "liar" is part of it. He's letting us know WHO to watch for futher updates, maaaybe, once we get it that they are a hoaxee, i.e., :lol: "IN on it". ;)
He's not dead. :!: He's NOT dead. :D 8-) The reason LaToya said he was still beautiful is JUST exactly like the mirror said to the wicked stepmother, about Snow White!!! Michael STILL LIVES, and Is the HOTTEST beautiful one of all! :o ;) :lol: :lol: :!:
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sorry havent recently read all of this but just found that it wasnt just KF who did the make up but also michael bush
http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/2009.html (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/2009.html)
Karen Faye Heinze, Michael Bush
July 06 :
The Jackson family has an open coffin viewing of Michael's body at Forest Lawn cemetary with Karen Faye and Michael Bush' s help to make Michael look beautiful for eternity.
michael bush did mikes clothing for the show
http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2 ... t-costume/ (http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2009/06/30/exclusive-look-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-last-costume/)
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sorry havent recently read all of this but just found that it wasnt just KF who did the make up but also michael bush
http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/2009.html (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/2009.html)
Karen Faye Heinze, Michael Bush
July 06 :
The Jackson family has an open coffin viewing of Michael's body at Forest Lawn cemetary with Karen Faye and Michael Bush' s help to make Michael look beautiful for eternity.
michael bush did mikes clothing for the show
http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2 ... t-costume/ (http://stylenews.peoplestylewatch.com/2009/06/30/exclusive-look-michael-jackson%E2%80%99s-last-costume/)
Hmm.. how interesting Karen Faye has never said that herself.
The woman is a liar and has been caught out so many times.
The other say she put on her twitter that Kenny O was gay not married,... but he IS married and there are pictures on the web of him and his wife.
She lies.. she makes things up as she goes.
Ive never seen Michael Bush talk publicly about this. Karen Faye has always insisted she did it alone but i suspect she is lying.
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Maybe Karen was asked to say something along this line to make the hoax more believable. She is friendly with Randy so maybe the family needed someone to help and she was a willing participant or got paid to say that she put the make up on. As far as I know not many people claim to have seen his body or are willing to say they did. I cannot imagine ever talking about something so private so publicly. So to me it she has to be playing a role because if you really think about it honestly, would you ever speak about such a traumatic and private experience otherwise? I read in her twitter that she said she put makeup on "a lifeless body". She didn't say a name just "a". This way it keeps her out of trouble as she hasn't actually said whose lifeless body. Still to me...it's way too private for twitter, facebook or an article unless she has been asked to lie for a good cause.
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But what is with Samantha the follower? Do you think Karen would lie to her directly? They meet each other sometimes, and I don´t know if Karen would lie to her. :?:
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But what is with Samantha the follower? Do you think Karen would lie to her directly? They meet each other sometimes, and I don´t know if Karen would lie to her. :?:
OMG.. that Samantha is a head case. Karen is losing lots of friends over her association with Samantha.
Samantha de gossen has put things on her twitter and FB saying MJ had her photograph on his dressing table and she eludes to being Blankets mother.
Please do not put too much faith in Samantha. I think she may be a bit mentally unstable. I have no idea why Karen is so close to her, and i can only deduce that either she is going into meltdown herself or she seems to think that by joining up together her and Sam can get more kudos, etc. Please dont be surprised if either of these come out with a book deal shortly.
Everyone else close to MJ either do no know Samantha, or they describer her as a stalker.