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Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => James Brown => Topic started by: tinker_bell on December 12, 2009, 09:34:40 PM

Title: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tinker_bell on December 12, 2009, 09:34:40 PM
Just would like to share some random observation. Me and my aunt (who appears to be the only person I can actually talk about the hoax, thank God i have her!) recently watched a coverage of the James Brown public ceremony and... learned from it. We realized that we had underestimated the cultural differences regarding such occasions... Indeed, in our cultural environment, it is very much 'tears and snot' thing. And i mean it sincerely! I believe these customs are very deeply-rooted in history of each nation, but we often mistakenly (and subconsciously) extend our own vision of ethos over the other people who happen to share our same religion and (or) historical tradition.... anyway, back to James Brown funeral, it was a great tribute and... a great show with people singing Soul and dancing, some random smiling (greeting the guests or else), neither did i see any tears. They said it was just what James Brown would wish it to be. MJ was there and gave a short speech. Things were pretty hectic and spontaneous (people moving around the casket, talking amongst themselves etc), huge crowd of people, live coverage by CNN...  
Our first thought was 'wow, we must've been wrong saying MJ ceremonies (Memorial and Funeral) were off because of people not crying'... but at a second thought i was back to my original feeling... it was OFF, exactly because it was NOTHING spontaneous or hectic and seemed totally staged. The difference (in spirit) is screaming. Here's how the Memorial for James Brown was organized:

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Brown's public and private memorial ceremonies were elaborate, complete with costume changes for Brown and videos featuring him in concert performances. Brown's body, which was placed in a gold casket, was driven through the streets of New York to the Apollo Theater in a white, glass-encased horse-drawn carriage (it was said they planned the same for MJ...). In Augusta, Georgia, the procession for Brown's public memorial visited Brown's statue as the procession made its way to the James Brown Arena. During the public memorial at the James Brown Arena, nachos and pretzels were served to mourners, as a video showed Brown's last performance in Augusta, Georgia and the Ray Charles version of "Georgia On My Mind" played soulfully in the background. Brown's last backup band, The Soul Generals, also played the music of Brown's hits during the memorial service at the James Brown Arena. The group was joined by Bootsy Collins on bass, with MC Hammer performing a dance in James Brown style. Former Temptations lead singer Ali-Ollie Woodson performed "Walk Around Heaven All Day" at the memorial services.

Maybe i'm over-looking into things... it's just a feeling that i get, that it was not the proper way... it would be speculation to talk about MJ wishes for this matter, as he never clearly spoke them, but it is yet strange that none of the closest to him knew about such and confirmed that they did it the way he would have wanted it!

Totally random: i remember when i first heard of James Brown being dead i didn't believe it because at the same time they started to play songs titled "James Brown is dead" and "James Brown is still alive"! Those however have nothing to do with JB, they were sampled in 1991-1992 by various electronic dance groups from his most famous tunes. But makes you think doesn't it? Tried to find JB's reaction to these sngs but couldn't... he just didn't give a heck!  :lol:

James Brown is Dead
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I checked up on the late great J.B.
His death is said on national TV
Now memory, man are you with that
James Brown is dead
Total chaos, man it's resurrected
I'm confused that things are gettin' hectic
In my brain, what is happenin'?
Could this be a big misunderstanding? It is
The hardest working man in show biz is alive so
Don't be misled, cause the newsman said
JAMES BROWN IS DEAD

James Brown is Alive
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James Brown's down
Who the funk do you think you're fooling?
For me the man's still ruling
Stop the nonsense
Stop telling lies
James Brown is still alive

Okay... i must do this!

Stop the nonsense
Stop telling lies
Michael Jackson is still alive!!!!!!
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: mjboogie on December 13, 2009, 01:20:59 AM
Yep You are right! Something was totally OFF with MJ's services compared to James Brown's services. OK do we have any footage of the memorial in Augusta? That we could view? I have saw the funeral at the Apollo. Also,.....James Brown was also a legend (with an open casket I may add!) Why was MJ's body never viewed by the public.You see fans were allowed into the APollo to view James and pay their respect with Al Sharpton standing right beside the casket also we saw MJ walk in to pay his respects (Does anyone know how MJ reacted to seeing James in the casket?) The spirit of MJ's burial did feel strange , staged..... very staged. But I will say in my opinion MJ"s burial felt more staged than the public memorial. Your thoughts?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tiida11 on December 13, 2009, 01:33:45 AM
Giving the fact that the 'dead' one was MICHAL JACKSON, not any ordinary man in the neighbourhood, i think there had to be an open casket at least. When things are made secretly,everything become suspicious and this aspect together with hundreds of other ones, led me to the conclusion that there 's a HOAX, girls. No doubt!

'in a white, glass-encased horse-drawn carriage (it was said they planned the same for MJ...)'

I even saw such a vehicle inside Neverland....There was a picture but i cannot find it now.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Freeze Frame on December 13, 2009, 01:42:13 AM
I believe MJ kissed him on the forehead.

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[attachment=1:vj5pzajt]james-brown-public-funeral.jpg[/attachment:vj5pzajt]
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: wilds on December 13, 2009, 02:39:45 AM
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Michael cried  :cry: He LOOOOVED James Brown and James loved Michael  :( I feel James Brown funeral was more "realistic" for lack of a better word. I don't know why Michael's casket was closed. Latoya said he was beautiful and looked like he was sleeping so it probably didn't have to do with how he looked. The open casket would have been an open and shut case ( no pun intended). Do Jehovah Witnesses keep the caskets closed??? If not, then I truly believe no body was even in there!
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tiida11 on December 13, 2009, 03:06:31 AM
Quote from: "wilds"
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Michael cried  :cry: He LOOOOVED James Brown and James loved Michael  :( I feel James Brown funeral was more "realistic" for lack of a better word. I don't know why Michael's casket was closed. Latoya said he was beautiful and looked like he was sleeping so it probably didn't have to do with how he looked. The open casket would have been an open and shut case ( no pun intended). Do Jehovah Witnesses keep the caskets closed??? If not, then I truly believe no body was even in there!


They probable didn't want a shut case. It's more profitable such an undefined situation, don't you think? If Michael is dead , his family earn a lot after his death (LaToya:Michael worth more dead than alive); if he's alive i can understand why they did what they did.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Whitesocks on December 13, 2009, 03:26:09 AM
Quote from: "Oetoort"
Numer 6 is the number for archangel Michael..
Wow interesting... James Brown (his inspiration) died exactly 6 months before (and changed clothing..google immages..james brown funural)
The way James Brown looked was making me think... he was dressed the same as MJ in the final rehearsels.. See the blue jacket and the grey and red suit.
December 25 could be it
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 13, 2009, 10:02:14 AM
James Brown died in 2006  ;)
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: mjboogie on December 13, 2009, 04:09:55 PM
It is  quite sad that MJ is so soon after James dont u think? I am still missing MJ and feel really sad about everything! I just wish we knew for sure if he is still here u know? Too much!!  Sometimes I dont know if i am coming or going! And I have been this way every since June 25th! And getting sadder now that we are leaving the year 2009 and the case is taking sooo long and MJ has not revealed himself... :(  :(  :cry:
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the_gloved_one on December 13, 2009, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: "wilds"
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Michael cried  :cry: He LOOOOVED James Brown and James loved Michael  :( I feel James Brown funeral was more "realistic" for lack of a better word. I don't know why Michael's casket was closed. Latoya said he was beautiful and looked like he was sleeping so it probably didn't have to do with how he looked. The open casket would have been an open and shut case ( no pun intended). Do Jehovah Witnesses keep the caskets closed??? If not, then I truly believe no body was even in there!

I just wanna dive into tha picture and give Michael a hug...he wasn't afraid to show how he felt. He was human and not made of stone like so man other celebrities. My heart is brakes for you Michael...
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 13, 2009, 04:28:57 PM
Yes, James Browns funeral was hectic, not alot of tears but it still felt real. This reminds me of Bernie Macs funeral, everyone was so joyful and happy, cracking jokes just as Bernie would have wanted it to be. Some even came in wearing only white instead of black to honour him in a enlightening way and not in a dark way.

Several things odd in Michaels memorial:

The Liberian Girl/Im Alive and Im here Forever/Pains
Seat/Microphone/Gloves/Hat (Maybe the King of Pop, entertainer died)
Casket was entered and removed quickly from the arena
No one had the opportunity to get close to the casket and say their goodbyes like with James Brown
The children looked so happy
The delay in the opening speech by Smokey Robinson
Several close friends not attending (maybe they attended the burial because they were forced this time)
No proper speech made by the family aside from the ones made by Marlon and Paris which all screamed HOAX (hence the Michael in disguises part, Paris says she loves his daddy)
All the Jacksons wearing sunglasses indoors, I dont care if it was to hide tears still disrespectful
The odd statements in the memorial/burial service book (LaToya: Cant wait to see you perform again)
No true emotions, no true breakdowns, very arranged and controlled atmosphere
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the arabian nights on December 13, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
Do you have a link?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the arabian nights on December 13, 2009, 04:46:10 PM
The thing with an open casket, it brings a certain amount of closure, it leaves no doubt that the person is dead.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: steph on December 13, 2009, 04:50:41 PM
The feel of james Browns funeral was so different to michael`s.I think you don`t have to be crying to be upset but watching the two you can see and feel the difference.Something about mj`s memorial and funeral seemed off.You can just pick up on it.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 13, 2009, 06:10:51 PM
Quote from: "mjboogie"
It is  quite sad that MJ is so soon after James dont u think?  

I've said it already, but James Brown died in 2006, not last year  ;)
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 13, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
maybe the adults would have some control of there emotions but the children no way the would have cried ,they would not have sat there chewing gum and looking bored :o
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Freeze Frame on December 13, 2009, 06:57:51 PM
Also strange that both were not "buried" right away. For Brown 76 days, for MJ 71 days (if anyone thinks he was actually buried/ interred).   ;)
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on December 13, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
James Brown had lived a pretty full life and was in the hospital for a short time before he passed.  I would expect more tears at MJ's funeral because he was still very young, and it was unexpected.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: wilds on December 13, 2009, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
James Brown had lived a pretty full life and was in the hospital for a short time before he passed.  I would expect more tears at MJ's funeral because he was still very young, and it was unexpected.

So true! I don't know how in the world they were able to keep from bawling. When my family and I watched that memorial it was like sheer hell. It felt like someone was driving a scorching hot knife through my heart. The family's ways and reactions are what make me believe a hoax is possible.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tinker_bell on December 13, 2009, 09:15:34 PM
Here's what i watched and what made me feel the difference:

Public service, Augusta 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRCmDvX5 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRCmDvX50S4&feature=related)
MJ arriving, live coverage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROZ_U2MIxA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROZ_U2MIxA)
Rev. Al Sharpton, MJ, JB' daughter Deanna Brown speech

This is not actual JB funeral, here's the real funeral church service, as i guess:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnAeV4jr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnAeV4jrW3o&feature=related)
when i heard YANA playing there... my heart jumped

However, i think the major OFF thing in MJ's funeral was the filming part. To this day I still cannot understand why to hire a Hollywood production company to film it and spend a fortune instead allowing CNN or any other TV company do it free of charge for the family...  And I thought... for the record, for the history perhaps. Same feeling I have for this picture:

(https://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%26%2358%3B%2F%2Fi47%26%2346%3Btinypic%26%2346%3Bcom%2F2e5p8jb%26%2346%3Bjpg&hash=65b86a27a610877728bfaf9b1bf14035)

Looks like a picture for the record.... record of 'death' or record of 'hoax'?... I tried to imagine these guys in years to come telling their kids: 'Look, Jimmy, it's me on MJ's funeral, that was fun!' and i cannot picture that!

I agree with those of you who say James Brown lived a long and complete life, had a health conditiong for quite some time before he passed and was an aged man with grown children.... So I too feel that MJ's sudden 'death' at the age 50 and 3 young children left behind would be emotionally far more devastating to accept... And I think that keeping the funeral 'private' (closed casket, no viewing, no public mourning at the event, no ntional flags for the coffin) means a lot more. If it was public it would be TOO REAL. People would CRY, and apparently that wasn't the plan. JMHO
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Freeze Frame on December 13, 2009, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: "tinker_bell"
However, i think the major OFF thing in MJ's funeral was the filming part. To this day I still cannot understand why to hire a Hollywood production company to film it and spend a fortune instead allowing CNN or any other TV company do it free of charge for the family...  And I thought... for the record, for the history perhaps.

So it could all be controlled (i.e. who/ what was shot).
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tiida11 on December 14, 2009, 05:31:03 AM
I'll refer to the closed casket. If they said Michael's face was ok and no other religious reason existed, it was inadmissible not to leave fans to see him and say good-bye. After all they counted on the fans in different other situations . That's why i think there wasn't Michael's body inside the casket ...maybe another one's.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: sosh on December 14, 2009, 07:11:45 AM
I agree with you Tiida11. All fans should have had a possibility to see one last glimpse of his face(body).

His family may have been against it, but it's one of those risks being famous. I think it's also part of an example function which MJ had
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: lucrecia on December 14, 2009, 07:54:30 AM
Even Elvis has his last pic:
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisCoffinPicture.html (http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisCoffinPicture.html)
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: wilds on December 14, 2009, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: "lucrecia"
Even Elvis has his last pic:
http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisCoffinPicture.html (http://www.elvispresleynews.com/ElvisCoffinPicture.html)

Whoa, I didn't know they took pictures of Elvis in his casket! See, this is why I find it so suspicious that they didn't have an open casket or maybe even a photo of Michael in the casket at their private service! When you see that person laying in their coffin that's when you know this is final - they're gone. The family had to have known that having the casket closed would have an impact on us! Did they really think this through? Why not let us SEE HIM one last time?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Whitesocks on December 14, 2009, 02:20:53 PM
Because there is no last time (yet)

Michael is working on a brilliant movie and we are in IT
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: wilds on December 14, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: "Oetoort"
Because there is no last time (yet)

Michael is working on a brilliant movie and we are in IT


LOL! That is my greatest hope!  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the arabian nights on December 14, 2009, 03:45:35 PM
thank you tinker_bell for the links.

death is so very sad.

Maybe the family just wanted an ordered event something fitting of the King of Pop?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: badloving on December 14, 2009, 04:23:30 PM
this was discussed before but i find it interesting

Jackson reportedly spent hours at the C.A.Reid funeral home the night Brown's memorial service and he asked lots of questions about the process of getting the body ready.

Jackson had no way of knowing his time would come so soon - but many who interacted with the singer at the private viewing and at Brown's funeral say he was quite interested about death and wanted to know the most intimate details.

Charles Reid recalls the wee hours of that late December morning when Michael Jackson showed up at his funeral home to pay his respects to James Brown.

"He actually stayed here for about 4 and a half hours," says Reid."The time he spent with him was out of the ordinary because normally a person comes in views and that's pretty well the end of it."

It was in one of his viewing rooms that the King of Pop spent those hours with James Brown. Reid says he was more than happy to give Jackson "private time" with Brown but he says there was more on Jackson's mind.

But Jackson's curiosity was peaked. Reid says he had lots of questions.

"There was various things he was interested in. He had a lot of questions that he had to ask in reference to Mr. Brown,also preparation and stuff of that nature."


http://www.wrdw.com/entertainment/headl ... 90347.html (http://www.wrdw.com/entertainment/headlines/50090347.html)

i wonder why was michael so interested about the ''most intimate details''...hmmm
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tinker_bell on December 14, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
Quote from: "badloving"

Jackson reportedly spent hours at the C.A.Reid funeral home the night Brown's memorial service and he asked lots of questions about the process of getting the body ready.

i wonder why was michael so interested about the ''most intimate details''...hmmm

This is very interesting indeed, thank you! I've never heard of it before. It was said MJ was very interested in human anatomy though, so it's hard to guess whether it was anything more than curiosity..
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Secret Dove on December 14, 2009, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: "badloving"
this was discussed before but i find it interesting

Jackson reportedly spent hours at the C.A.Reid funeral home the night Brown's memorial service and he asked lots of questions about the process of getting the body ready.

Jackson had no way of knowing his time would come so soon - but many who interacted with the singer at the private viewing and at Brown's funeral say he was quite interested about death and wanted to know the most intimate details.

Charles Reid recalls the wee hours of that late December morning when Michael Jackson showed up at his funeral home to pay his respects to James Brown.

"He actually stayed here for about 4 and a half hours," says Reid."The time he spent with him was out of the ordinary because normally a person comes in views and that's pretty well the end of it."

It was in one of his viewing rooms that the King of Pop spent those hours with James Brown. Reid says he was more than happy to give Jackson "private time" with Brown but he says there was more on Jackson's mind.

But Jackson's curiosity was peaked. Reid says he had lots of questions.

"There was various things he was interested in. He had a lot of questions that he had to ask in reference to Mr. Brown,also preparation and stuff of that nature."


http://www.wrdw.com/entertainment/headl ... 90347.html (http://www.wrdw.com/entertainment/headlines/50090347.html)

i wonder why was michael so interested about the ''most intimate details''...hmmm

Michael spent 4 and a half hours? :o  :shock: That's alot of time! Yes, he could've been curious, but it's odd for someone to ask loads of questions when they 're paying their respects to a friend. Interesting.. :?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 14, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
Um.. When I went to funeral last time the last thing on my mind was the preperation of my deceased family members body, infact thats a bit morbid... All I kept thinking was heaven and spiritual things and so forth. Michael was up to something for sure. I knew Michael had a fascination for the dead (Ghost, Thriller ect..) but spending 4 hours with a dead body?  :idea:
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: mjboogie on December 14, 2009, 06:48:46 PM
That is strange! Dang I wonder why he was sooo interested what do you guys think could honestly be his reasons? How would it tie into the hoax? Did MJ ever speak of how he wanted to be prepared once he passed away? I remember the Rabbi asking him was he afraid of death, and MJ responded yes. And that Martin Bashit interview where MJ purchased a coffin, but remember MJ said he wanted to live forever? But if he stayed that long with James Brown then.... I dont' know. I know he admired James Brown a lot! But in my opinion it does not seem normal! And James died in 2006 correct? The more I read in these forums it seems to me that MJ had to have been planning this for a few years now if he indeed has hoaxed his death. Well according to the mortician MJ kept his questions clean. Also another point remember when it was said that MJ would go into UCLA to watch operations on patients or something like that? Maybe certain things regarding the human body just fascinated him!  Shoot I am trying to picture MJ in a doctors uniform LOL!! :)
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Secret Dove on December 14, 2009, 06:49:18 PM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Um.. When I went to funeral last time the last thing on my mind was the preperation of my deceased family members body, infact thats a bit morbid... All I kept thinking was heaven and spiritual things and so forth. Michael was up to something for sure. I knew Michael had a fascination for the dead (Ghost, Thriller ect..) but spending 4 hours with a dead body?  :idea:

I find it VERY odd that he spend 4 and a half hours with James body! James Brown is someone who Michael loved dearly and looked up too. I couldn't spend 4 and a half hours with a friend or a family members body. I think he was up to something for sure. It's awfully odd that he asked questions that he asked. It's not really the time or place to be asking loads od questions. He could've arranged to talk on the phone when they both had time if he was that interested in how they prepare the body, etc. The only way I can see Michael doing that is if he had plans in mind and needed information that he couldn't wait to get. :?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Secret Dove on December 14, 2009, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: "mjboogie"
That is strange! Dang I wonder why he was sooo interested what do you guys think could honestly be his reasons? How would it tie into the hoax? Did MJ ever speak of how he wanted to be prepared once he passed away? I remember the Rabbi asking him was he afraid of death, and MJ responded yes. And that Martin Bashit interview where MJ purchased a coffin, but remember MJ said he wanted to live forever? But if he stayed that long with James Brown then.... I dont' know. I know he admired James Brown a lot! But in my opinion it does not seem normal! And James died in 2006 correct? The more I read in these forums it seems to me that MJ had to have been planning this for a few years now if he indeed has hoaxed his death. Well according to the mortician MJ kept his questions clean. Also another point remember when it was said that MJ would go into UCLA to watch operations on patients or something like that? Maybe certain things regarding the human body just fascinated him!  Shoot I am trying to picture MJ in a doctors uniform LOL!! :)
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WTH? :o  :shock:  MJ went into the operating room to watch operations on patients? I never herd that! Where did you hear that he did that? I would welcome MJ into my operating room any day! Even though I'd be sleeping, just knowing he was there would put me at ease.
Imagen having Michael Jackson in the operating room when your having surgery? I hope they told the person that he was going to be there, or he came in after the person was out. If he just walked in, it might cause a heart attack from shock! :o  :lol:  :lol: A girl could dream, eh? :lol:

"Shoot I am trying to picture MJ in a doctors uniform LOL!! :)"
  :lol:  :lol:  Same here!! :lol:
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Freeze Frame on December 14, 2009, 08:34:39 PM
I agree the questions to the mortician are odd but sitting vigil for a lengthy period of time with someone you love and are mourning is not necessarily out of the ordinary. Many families schedule viewings the night before a funeral that last several hours.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on December 14, 2009, 09:22:27 PM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Yes, James Browns funeral was hectic, not alot of tears but it still felt real. This reminds me of Bernie Macs funeral, everyone was so joyful and happy, cracking jokes just as Bernie would have wanted it to be. Some even came in wearing only white instead of black to honour him in a enlightening way and not in a dark way.

Several things odd in Michaels memorial:

The Liberian Girl/Im Alive and Im here Forever/Pains
Seat/Microphone/Gloves/Hat (Maybe the King of Pop, entertainer died)
Casket was entered and removed quickly from the arena
No one had the opportunity to get close to the casket and say their goodbyes like with James Brown
The children looked so happy
The delay in the opening speech by Smokey Robinson
Several close friends not attending (maybe they attended the burial because they were forced this time)
No proper speech made by the family aside from the ones made by Marlon and Paris which all screamed HOAX (hence the Michael in disguises part, Paris says she loves his daddy)
All the Jacksons wearing sunglasses indoors, I dont care if it was to hide tears still disrespectful
The odd statements in the memorial/burial service book (LaToya: Cant wait to see you perform again)
No true emotions, no true breakdowns, very arranged and controlled atmosphere

You resume well the"bizare" memorial...When I watched it,that's where it all began for me,I started thinking about the fake death.I remember feeling "odd" about Paris speech,like it didn't touched me...I kept that to myself and starting looking on the net for the hoax.I felt like no one was in the casket and that everything was ,like you say,arranged.I remember the strange and strong feeling inside of me.I was like desapointed,I expected to see his closed friends and some big names 'cause (he is ;) )was "the King of pop".It makes me feel good to re-read your list ;)  'cause that brings me back to my first impression,that very strong intuition and there's only one reason for feeling like that...HOAX
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: MJJLives on December 14, 2009, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: "AnnieIsNotOK"
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Yes, James Browns funeral was hectic, not alot of tears but it still felt real. This reminds me of Bernie Macs funeral, everyone was so joyful and happy, cracking jokes just as Bernie would have wanted it to be. Some even came in wearing only white instead of black to honour him in a enlightening way and not in a dark way.

Several things odd in Michaels memorial:

The Liberian Girl/Im Alive and Im here Forever/Pains
Seat/Microphone/Gloves/Hat (Maybe the King of Pop, entertainer died)
Casket was entered and removed quickly from the arena
No one had the opportunity to get close to the casket and say their goodbyes like with James Brown
The children looked so happy
The delay in the opening speech by Smokey Robinson
Several close friends not attending (maybe they attended the burial because they were forced this time)
No proper speech made by the family aside from the ones made by Marlon and Paris which all screamed HOAX (hence the Michael in disguises part, Paris says she loves his daddy)
All the Jacksons wearing sunglasses indoors, I dont care if it was to hide tears still disrespectful
The odd statements in the memorial/burial service book (LaToya: Cant wait to see you perform again)
No true emotions, no true breakdowns, very arranged and controlled atmosphere

You resume well the"bizare" memorial...When I watched it,that's where it all began for me,I started thinking about the fake death.I remember feeling "odd" about Paris speech,like it didn't touched me...I kept that to myself and starting looking on the net for the hoax.I felt like no one was in the casket and that everything was ,like you say,arranged.I remember the strange and strong feeling inside of me.I was like desapointed,I expected to see his closed friends and some big names 'cause (he is ;) )was "the King of pop".It makes me feel good to re-read your list ;)  'cause that brings me back to my first impression,that very strong intuition and there's only one reason for feeling like that...HOAX

I had the exact same feeling about Paris' speech.  It was more shocking to me that she spoke at all than what she said.  It just didn't seem genuine.  I think what made it feel rehearsed to me is how Janet seemed to push her towards the mic and then almost sounded frustrated with her when she told her to speak up.  I remember calling my husband and telling him about it.  How strange it was and I told him I think the whole "death" wasn't real.  Of course, he doesn't believe in hoaxes so I have to seek solice from this forum! :lol:
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Lady J on December 15, 2009, 10:14:15 AM
Back then I watched James´funeral and I have to say, it was a sad mood there, even though they were celebrating his life. His daughters were crying, especially when they arrived. You could feel their grief. But with MJ´s memorial, no one was really crying. And please don´t tell me they were wearing shades. This doesn´t work. The shades are like the closet casket. They are hiding something.  :D
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the arabian nights on December 15, 2009, 10:54:23 AM
JB died when he was in his 70's, that's still very young for a man that was very fit and active all his life.

There was alot of controversy over the cause of death etc. Thus not surprising why someone close would ask questions.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: wilds on December 15, 2009, 12:30:28 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
JB died when he was in his 70's, that's still very young for a man that was very fit and active all his life.

There was alot of controversy over the cause of death etc. Thus not surprising why someone close would ask questions.


You believe that 73 is young? Not judging, just curious.....
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: jonnysgirldangerous on December 15, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
The strange part is not MJ spending a lot of time with James' body, because that's not an odd thing to do, but asking questions about preparing the body?? He could be very interested in the human body, but he definitely isn't that heartless to start asking questions about a dead body in a friends funeral. Maybe he was already thinking about his "dead" at the time and he wanted to know the normal procedures let's say for someone that had an overdose of an anesthesic (sp?). Maybe he was researching about the normal things they do to a body when something like this happened, so he would be prepared in the matters of what to feed to the media, like the brain story.

And like you said I was crying my eyes out during the funeral, but his kids, brothers, sisters and parents couldn't shed one tear? that definitely is not normal, and looking back Paris' speech wasn't that convincing, I remember crying more in Brooke Shield's speech.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the arabian nights on December 15, 2009, 01:42:56 PM
Hi just to reply. I do think 73 is young especially for an active, working, affluent individual with hopefully good medical cover. Very sad for the family and very much a shock from what I have read.

I don't think it is weird to ask questions, especially when you are very connected to the person who has passed and if unfamiliar with the process. It seems to me very caring that MJ took as much time and care. I do not think that it is fair to him, to read a motive into such affection and loss of his dear friend and mentor. Remember JB was his inspiration from MJ's childhood, and to lose such a sigificant person must have been heartbreaking, to spend time with the body to speak to him and about him, to care enough is totally admirable. Where is the harm. I see only love.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: wilds on December 15, 2009, 02:25:36 PM
Yeah I feel you on that! My grandpa was 90 when he passed and he was sharp as a knife LOL  :lol:  I'm never ready to let anyone go no matter what their age. I guess I'm just not sure of what is "old" and what is not?!?!
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: CC on December 15, 2009, 02:40:55 PM
YES, AND IF MJ DON'T WANT TO COMEBACK IN SOMEWAY... MAYBE THEY SHOW A PICTURE OF HIM IN THE CASKET, ISN'T A PROBLEM TO TAKE A PICTURE LIKE THAT... :?:
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: the arabian nights on December 15, 2009, 03:07:18 PM
This is totally heartbreaking!
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: topsecretgirl on December 15, 2009, 05:08:38 PM
When I saw the funeral on TV I immediately felt like something was odd. It didn't look real to me. The whole scenary looked strange, like it wasn't real, like it was some kind of movie.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: XspeechlessX on December 15, 2009, 05:22:23 PM
Quote from: "Oetoort"
Quote from: "Oetoort"
Numer 6 is the number for archangel Michael..
Wow interesting... James Brown (his inspiration) died exactly 6 months before (and changed clothing..google immages..james brown funural)
The way James Brown looked was making me think... he was dressed the same as MJ in the final rehearsels.. See the blue jacket and the grey and red suit.
December 25 could be it

Same coffin....
more than just a coincidence?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: tinker_bell on December 15, 2009, 05:28:52 PM
On MJ Funeral: "the Jackson family did allow a live video feed of guests arriving, but it was cut abruptly as a hearse carrying Jackson's body arrived". In other words have the family not been one hour late for the ceremony, there would've been almost nothing to show! Personally I found it very strange they showed all the people arriving and fanning themselves with service programmes "to counter the effects of a humid Californian evening", but did not show what millions of fans were waiting to at least see since they were held out from participating...
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: mumof3 on December 15, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
Quote from: "MJJLives"
Quote from: "AnnieIsNotOK"
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Yes, James Browns funeral was hectic, not alot of tears but it still felt real. This reminds me of Bernie Macs funeral, everyone was so joyful and happy, cracking jokes just as Bernie would have wanted it to be. Some even came in wearing only white instead of black to honour him in a enlightening way and not in a dark way.

Several things odd in Michaels memorial:

The Liberian Girl/Im Alive and Im here Forever/Pains
Seat/Microphone/Gloves/Hat (Maybe the King of Pop, entertainer died)
Casket was entered and removed quickly from the arena
No one had the opportunity to get close to the casket and say their goodbyes like with James Brown
The children looked so happy
The delay in the opening speech by Smokey Robinson
Several close friends not attending (maybe they attended the burial because they were forced this time)
No proper speech made by the family aside from the ones made by Marlon and Paris which all screamed HOAX (hence the Michael in disguises part, Paris says she loves his daddy)
All the Jacksons wearing sunglasses indoors, I dont care if it was to hide tears still disrespectful
The odd statements in the memorial/burial service book (LaToya: Cant wait to see you perform again)
No true emotions, no true breakdowns, very arranged and controlled atmosphere

You resume well the"bizare" memorial...When I watched it,that's where it all began for me,I started thinking about the fake death.I remember feeling "odd" about Paris speech,like it didn't touched me...I kept that to myself and starting looking on the net for the hoax.I felt like no one was in the casket and that everything was ,like you say,arranged.I remember the strange and strong feeling inside of me.I was like desapointed,I expected to see his closed friends and some big names 'cause (he is ;) )was "the King of pop".It makes me feel good to re-read your list ;)  'cause that brings me back to my first impression,that very strong intuition and there's only one reason for feeling like that...HOAX

I had the exact same feeling about Paris' speech.  It was more shocking to me that she spoke at all than what she said.  It just didn't seem genuine.  I think what made it feel rehearsed to me is how Janet seemed to push her towards the mic and then almost sounded frustrated with her when she told her to speak up.  I remember calling my husband and telling him about it.  How strange it was and I told him I think the whole "death" wasn't real.  Of course, he doesn't believe in hoaxes so I have to seek solice from this forum! :lol:
I can remember thinking no dont let Paris do it  it is to much for a child and it felt uncomforatable to watch but not real.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Miss.Peppers on December 15, 2009, 05:51:59 PM
Is it normal in the USA to have an open casket at a funeral?  Is that the custom?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: Freeze Frame on December 15, 2009, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Is it normal in the USA to have an open casket at a funeral?  Is that the custom?

Totally depends on the deceased/ family's wishes. There is no hard and fast rule/ custom on this. Obviously closed caskets occur when there is severe trauma to the body.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: MJLOVER32 on December 16, 2009, 10:10:05 AM
Michael is alive!! thats it!!
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: mjboogie on December 17, 2009, 02:24:07 PM
But I thought (although we may never be able to prove this ) that the family had open casket at the private burial? Remember all the footage on television shut off after MJ's casket arrived?
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: MJJ1982 on December 17, 2009, 02:54:03 PM
Quote from: "Secret Dove"
Quote from: "mjboogie"
Also another point remember when it was said that MJ would go into UCLA to watch operations on patients or something like that? Maybe certain things regarding the human body just fascinated him!  Shoot I am trying to picture MJ in a doctors uniform LOL!! :)
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WTH? :o  :shock:  MJ went into the operating room to watch operations on patients? I never herd that! Where did you hear that he did that?


Yes that's true, he visited a lot of operations in UCLA.
So, they knew him there very good there, they will never let strangers watch operations, another clue that UCLA is involved in the hoax.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 17, 2009, 05:03:49 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"

Yes that's true, he visited a lot of operations in UCLA.
So, they knew him there very good there, they will never let strangers watch operations, another clue that UCLA is involved in the hoax.

Interesting...... Could explain why paparazzi-Benjamin said in an interview that ''with Michael there is always drama.. always visiting hospitals''... UCLA and Benjamin, definitely involved.
Title: Re: James Brown Funeral vs MJ Funeral. Feel the difference
Post by: SimPattyK on September 01, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
Regarding James Brown's "death" here is a list of the most obvious and striking “coincidences” compared to Michael's "death":

1.   SAME DEATH DAYS – 25th
2.   SAME TYPE OF COFFIN
3.   SAME TRIBUTE ON APOLLO
4.   SAME DOCTOR -Conrad MURRAY
5.   SAME SUSPICION – PAIN KILLER ADDICTION
6.   SAME CAUSE OF DEATH – CARDIAC ARREST
7.   BOTH HAD CONCERTS SCHEDULED
8.   BOTH DIED AT THE HOSPITAL
9.   MJ’s SPEECH at James’ Brown’s funeral is similar
to Paris’ speech at MJ’s funeral.

[ see this article:Paris' speech at Michael's memorial - my "translation" + other Observations(clues?) - http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=201008306622861 ]

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^^ !!! ERROR CORRECTION (sorry!): Paris's speech was the 7th July and not on the 7th of September as I wrongfully marked in this photo...


Interesting links to explore:[/u]

1. Michael Jackson: gold plated coffin like James Brown's Michael Jackson's £15,000 gold plated coffin is the same as the one used for singer James Brown. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/5744343/Michael-Jackson-gold-plated-coffin-like-James-Browns.html
2. Dr. Conrad Murray - Michael Jackson Doctor and the Godfather of Soul James Brown - http://www.nationalledger.com/pop-culture-news/dr-conrad-murray-michael-ja-192659.shtml
3. 'James Brown and ELVIS' - An EIN spotlight on these two kindred spirits - http://www.elvisinfonet.com/spotlight_james_brown.html
4. Michael Jackson Alive- Coffin and Tombs!! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKTWrIGQLeQ

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5. hahaha :))) Read this article! there are 2 pages... From the article: "Jackson also inquired about the coffin and how it was chosen. "He wanted to go into our casket room," Reid said. Reid showed him various models. Jackson did not say so, but Reid could not help feeling that the star was contemplating his own demise, studying Brown in death as intently as he had in life."He asked who requested the gold-plated casket," Reid said. "I said, 'Well, it's the family's decision.' He asked if that's something Mr. Brown wanted. I said, 'Entertainers, they always say solid gold.'" Jackson laughed[/color] [he laughed!?? lmao!! ] and they returned to the chapel." - http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-06-28/news/17925847_1_charles-reid-james-brown-michael-jackson

looll Even without this article ^^ it's enough to look at MJ's face at James Brown's funeral , his smile, it says everything! adorable prankster!! The evidence of his facial expressions, also body language, search on the Internet all the photos from James Brown's funeral! there are also videos... Michael really acted strange lol I mean look at these pics..they seem to be at a party! and he's together with whom?? reverends Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson his 2 friends, "partners in crime" forever! lolll I just love their faces! MJ cannot contain his laughter!

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6. I guess the movie that Lindsay Lohan is gonna play in next year is the KEY-answer to all these mystery "INDIGO deaths" (meaning IDENTICAL deaths) - the blue color, especially dark blue that we can see present in MJ, Elvis and James Brown clothing is also an indicative of their similarities.... "indigo deaths" is the right term! remember the O2 Arena?? Do you know how that hall is also called?? Indigo Arena!! All 3 of them had or were supposed to have shows in the O2 arena!!! -Look here the official page!!:http://www.theo2.co.uk/indigo2/index.html and then look here the announcement about Elvis show which is supposed to happen next year!! Elvis Presley in Concert 2012 at The O2 Arena on Friday 16th Mar 2012 - http://www.theo2.co.uk/event/elvis-presley-in-concert-2012-20120316.html

7. Plot Summary for Escaping the Game (2012) - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275594/plotsummary
"According to reports Lindsay Lohan has nabbed a role in an movie titled “Escaping The Game”. This is a golden opportunity for her as she will be starring along side one of the lead actors from “The Amazing Spiderman” Chris Zylka. The story is about celebrities who are so overwhelmed by fame they fake their deaths and move to a remote island. Ironically, Lindsay will be playing a detective pursuing the truth behind all of these famous disappearances.It sounds like Lindsay landed the lead character in this movie and that is great for her. The shooting is said to be starting in the summer and take place in the US and Spain."
Well guess who the director of the movie is?? Brett Ratner !! - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275594/ So, let's resume this: This movie is about celebrities who want to escape their fame and the media circus by appealing to the services of a secret company who helps them fake their death and escape to a remote ocean island. The main character is Lindsay Lohan!! and the director, Michael's good old friend! well yeahhh!!! read the whole plot of the movie, it's really interesting - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0275594/plotsummary ----)) IF YOU want to READ more on this... here's my article: "Michael Jackson alive ♥ DUBAI Palm ISLAND Theory and CLUES - http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=208889525834739

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