Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Michael Jackson Forum => Random MJ Talk => Topic started by: mjlonglives on December 10, 2009, 07:26:29 AM
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several days ago i had my own thought about the top 10 questions on net, and i had a strong feeling that mj is alive......but everything reversed so quickly..just now a fan claimed that she works in the center told us that mj is really dead...she said that she had seen the report ,and can sure that there is no injection pinholes in mj' s body ,and the test tracing Propofol said that mj had those about 10 weeks ago, the time after his announcement in britain. (this can prove that mj was not a druggie!he never keep having drugs for a long time).the reason why they cannot arrest murry is that no evidence showed that murry was the only one to administer propofol to mj...and she said murry is not a doctor,but a heart Consultant ...and the part of mj' s brain had been cremated..also she told us that goverment covered some truths in order to avoid the rate of crime...
my heart is dying, i dont know how to relieve it~~~~~~no offence ,i just come to here for help ,someone maybe save me~~~~~~my heart and my mind is bombed by the "truth"~~~~~~~~~~~~ :(
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ahan so she saw the report .... another lier .... ask her the details of autopsy i will be more than happy , and do ask her how they figure it out that he took it 10 week before? telling you why , do you know propofol is detected in urine and blood and it leave the body very quickly ,
intially it was repoted in media that the body was lilly white something the doctors said they havent seen in their life . all we know is mj had vitiligo , with blotches on skin ,all rubbish
dont be sad i m sure she is lying to you because no one is allowed to stay at the time of autopsy , specially in high profile cases , by the way is she a doctor ? even if she is please ask her details of autopsy or what she saw in the report
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............................what?...... :(
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Uh, guys?
don't lose hope just yet, whether Murray was the only one to give him propofol or not, he should still be arrested if thats the case.....but is he?
He even admitted to it, what more proof do they need?
For all we know, this could be another one of those nutcases that are hell-bent on proving us believers wrong. So let's not just give up on our months of investigating. I implore everyone to stay strong.
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You know anyone can claim anything right? I wouldn't put too much weight on that at all. No one from UCLA officially came out with any information about MJ at all. And this fan sounds like another of the many liars in this.
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Uh, guys?
don't lose hope just yet, whether Murray was the only one to give him propofol or not, he should still be arrested if thats the case.....but is he?
He even admitted to it, what more proof do they need?
For all we know, this could be another one of those nutcases that are hell-bent on proving us believers wrong. So let's not just give up on our months of investigating. I implore everyone to stay strong.
Okay, thanks.. I hope you're right :) ;)
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shit!i lost my repost!
forgive my english
she said she is an autopsy doctor there,and she was on holidays those days, but she asked her co-workers the details ,she cannot leak the details of the report for occupational ethics.but she can sure that mj is really dead and some truths covered by the gorverment ...maybe she meat that donnot trust the info on net!!!!
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yeah right. Again someone wants attention. A fan? Yeah right... :|
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ahan so she saw the report .... another lier .... ask her the details of autopsy i will be more than happy , and do ask her how they figure it out that he took it 10 week before? telling you why , do you know propofol is detected in urine and blood and it leave the body very quickly ,
intially it was repoted in media that the body was lilly white something the doctors said they havent seen in their life . all we know is mj had vitiligo , with blotches on skin ,all rubbish
dont be sad i m sure she is lying to you because no one is allowed to stay at the time of autopsy , specially in high profile cases , by the way is she a doctor ? even if she is please ask her details of autopsy or what she saw in the report
Last edited by mjj_fan on Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:56 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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she meant that mj kept using that drug for 10weeks ,so doctor must use the tissue of brain to detect the drug!!!and the reason resulted the death is that the doctor give overdose propofol to mj,accopanied two other Hypnotic drugs!!forgive my engish agian!!!
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shit!i lost my repost!
forgive my english
she said she is an autopsy doctor there,and she was on holidays those days, but she asked her co-workers the details ,she cannot leak the details of the report for occupational ethics.but she can sure that mj is really dead and some truths covered by the gorverment ...maybe she meat that donnot trust the info on net!!!!
Her "co worker" gave her details? I find that hard to believe. The Government covered some truths? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever herd!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't believe a word you friend says or you say. You're either another troll trying to convince us believers that MJ is dead or you and/or your friend just want attention. :roll: If your friend has proof that he's dead, tell her to show us!! You call yourself a fan? Yeah right!! :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I won't believe MJ is dead until I see actual proof that proves behind a shadow of a doubt that he's gone. Until then I won't believe anyone that comes on here claiming they have proof that MJ's dead. :lol: :lol: :roll:
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Just wanted to touch on this. I used to work in the medical field doing medical transcription. I contacted one of the doctors that I used to work for and asked about this and was told that Propofol/Diprivan exits the body very quickly (within a few hours) after administration is stopped. It does not leave a trail and therefore it is very difficult to detect if not known to be looked for within a timely manner.
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Just wanted to touch on this. I used to work in the medical field doing medical transcription. I contacted one of the doctors that I used to work for and asked about this and was told that Propofol/Diprivan exits the body very quickly (within a few hours) after administration is stopped. It does not leave a trail and therefore it is very difficult to detect if not known to be looked for within a timely manner.
Thank you for clearing this up! That's the same exact thing I've herd on TV. Now I totally don't believe what the OPs friend has to say. I think her friend is either lying or she's just playing games with us. :x :evil: :twisted: :?
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Uh, guys?
don't lose hope just yet, whether Murray was the only one to give him propofol or not, he should still be arrested if thats the case.....but is he?
He even admitted to it, what more proof do they need?
For all we know, this could be another one of those nutcases that are hell-bent on proving us believers wrong. So let's not just give up on our months of investigating. I implore everyone to stay strong.
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yeah~ even though they cannot sure whether murry is the only use the drug, they can sure that murry was definitely homicide through negligence,i am curious about that whether murry should be arrested according american laws,or at least be fined!
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thats what i m saying it again and again NO TRACES FOUND in case of propofol intoxication , by the way is she a
forensic pathologist ,then i must say she e must be something , you know the indian pathologist who did autopsy is doing it for most of celebriteis and to reach that level need years and years of hard work and expoerience ,by the way he is registered pathologist since 70s...that what i read
when it comes to high profile cases specially with the label of homicide attach to it it means one has to be very precise and accurate with his / her findings and it need s perfection ,, not an ordinary doctor can perform it .. i dont want to offend any one but this is so irrelevant , why would govt cremate his brain when the brain tissue is already taken out examined and EXPERIENCED doctors would have given their expert opinion on that ,
another thing she can leak the information that govt is behing all that but is not telling you details just to maintain the confidentilality... bogus excuse
please dont listen to such thing , take care of you keep faith GODBLESS
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You are very welcome. You know it didn't register with me until I typed the last message that considering the time frame from when Murray found MJ unresponsive to the time he called 911 and then the additional time the EMT's spent at the house "working" on him plus the "over an hour" that the hospital worked on him, I wonder if Propofol was really even detected in his system or if this is just another piece of BS that we are being fed. If you remember correctly the original reports were Demerol and then it changed to Propofol and that was the last drug mentioned and then released in the autopsy report (which again has not been given officially). The media also tried to make us believe that MJ was a prescription junkie but yet no drugs, legal or otherwise, were found in his system. The only things that were found were what Murray supposedly admitted to giving to him.
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This is of course Shocking at first, however, it is only said again.... Many people say a lot! These things we have found, all these "chances" does not bargain Agree .... this is stronger Outbalancing quite simply ... is not still long past for me, the truth must go to the light
Head high ;)
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shit!i lost my repost!
forgive my english
she said she is an autopsy doctor there,and she was on holidays those days, but she asked her co-workers the details ,she cannot leak the details of the report for occupational ethics.but she can sure that mj is really dead and some truths covered by the gorverment ...maybe she meat that donnot trust the info on net!!!!
Her "co worker" gave her details? I find that hard to believe. The Government covered some truths? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever herd!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't believe a word you friend says or you say. You're either another troll trying to convince us believers that MJ is dead or you and/or your friend just want attention. :roll: If your friend has proof that he's dead, tell her to show us!! You call yourself a fan? Yeah right!! :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I won't believe MJ is dead until I see actual proof that proves behind a shadow of a doubt that he's gone. Until then I won't believe anyone that comes on here claiming they have proof that MJ's dead. :lol: :lol: :roll:
first,i am not an english speaker,donnot play jokes on my wording ...
second,i love mj as deep as you guys...and i am a strong believer that mj is alive,since the day i saw the funeral.i think it was not move enough until paris speaked on the stage,and the first sense tells me that mj is not died.about 2days later i search on net ,and found mjhd ,i kept foucs on that net, just like a driftwood in the river.but i never registered, because of my poor english, and the clues in net gave me a lot of hope and courage~~it makes my keep running after until the day it closed ,and i found this net from that net ,i just only saw these two net at my spare time.....and i put them in my favorites!
third why i need to draw your attentions..it is better to post on my language mj club~~that will draw more attentions ,because it has more than 80000 fans registerd...
the last ,i come here ,because most people around think i am crazy...just you guys can comfort me ....and i speak out those just need you guys' surport!! you can give more proof that she was wrong ,but please dont judge me as your will!!!!!
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Uh, guys?
don't lose hope just yet, whether Murray was the only one to give him propofol or not, he should still be arrested if thats the case.....but is he?
He even admitted to it, what more proof do they need?
For all we know, this could be another one of those nutcases that are hell-bent on proving us believers wrong. So let's not just give up on our months of investigating. I implore everyone to stay strong.
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yeah~ even though they cannot sure whether murry is the only use the drug, they can sure that murry was definitely homicide through negligence,i am curious about that whether murry should be arrested according american laws,or at least be fined!
To answer your question whether Murray should be arrested according to American Laws
or at lest be fine. Yes, he should be arrested, fined or at lest his ability to prescribe prescription medication should be suspended until the investigation is complete. I mean, it doesn't make any sense that he's still allowed to administer Propofol and is still allowed to practice medicine! :roll:
I'm American and I've NEVER seen a case like this before! There's too many inconsistencies for this to be a real death. I'm not saying that he can't be dead, but I would hope if he is dead that things would be a lot different and would go a lot faster. If it turns out that MJ did die June 25th, there's something radically wrong! :?
Keep the faith and know the truth will prevail eventually. I wouldn't believe everything we're told until we have actual proof to back it up. ;) :)
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If believe we should leave this impoliteness, are here (I hope only people them) MJ think, however, is alive .... we must also accept such news or contributions, thus you love we are steady of it persuaded from what we do and believe (right?)
I have been with MJHD since June / July ... and do not think to this surrender!
We cannot be discouraged and can also accept such contributions because we know damn over again what we do...
I also cannot do well English and know it is unpleasantly, however believes nobody is so childish and To value stupidly this...
We have 1 common purpose we go on....
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shit!i lost my repost!
forgive my english
she said she is an autopsy doctor there,and she was on holidays those days, but she asked her co-workers the details ,she cannot leak the details of the report for occupational ethics.but she can sure that mj is really dead and some truths covered by the gorverment ...maybe she meat that donnot trust the info on net!!!!
Her "co worker" gave her details? I find that hard to believe. The Government covered some truths? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever herd!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I don't believe a word you friend says or you say. You're either another troll trying to convince us believers that MJ is dead or you and/or your friend just want attention. :roll: If your friend has proof that he's dead, tell her to show us!! You call yourself a fan? Yeah right!! :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I won't believe MJ is dead until I see actual proof that proves behind a shadow of a doubt that he's gone. Until then I won't believe anyone that comes on here claiming they have proof that MJ's dead. :lol: :lol: :roll:
first,i am not an english speaker,donnot play jokes on my wording ...
second,i love mj as deep as you guys...and i am a strong believer that mj is alive,since the day i saw the funeral.i think it was not move enough until paris speaked on the stage,and the first sense tells me that mj is not died.about 2days later i search on net ,and found mjhd ,i kept foucs on that net, just like a driftwood in the river.but i never registered, because of my poor english, and the clues in net gave me a lot of hope and courage~~it makes my keep running after until the day it closed ,and i found this net from that net ,i just only saw these two net at my spare time.....and i put them in my favorites!
third why i need to draw your attentions..it is better to post on my language mj club~~that will draw more attentions ,because it has more than 80000 fans registerd...
the last ,i come here ,because most people around think i am crazy...just you guys can comfort me ....and i speak out those just need you guys' surport!! you can give more proof that she was wrong ,but please dont judge me as your will!!!!!
I'm not judging you. That's not my intent. We've had so many people come on here trying to convince us that MJ is dead. Their only intent was to play games and mess with our emotions(aka trolls) Sorry... :oops:
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it is normally many want to throw us from the road, however, I think ....... Pointlessly :D
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It's not impossible. She might work in the office where the papers are kept, not necessarily to take part at an autopsy. She might have access to reports , why not?
But , until i see a copy of that report i don't believe a word.
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thats what i m saying it again and again NO TRACES FOUND in case of propofol intoxication , by the way is she a
forensic pathologist ,then i must say she e must be something , you know the indian pathologist who did autopsy is doing it for most of celebriteis and to reach that level need years and years of hard work and expoerience ,by the way he is registered pathologist since 70s...that what i read
when it comes to high profile cases specially with the label of homicide attach to it it means one has to be very precise and accurate with his / her findings and it need s perfection ,, not an ordinary doctor can perform it .. i dont want to offend any one but this is so irrelevant , why would govt cremate his brain when the brain tissue is already taken out examined and EXPERIENCED doctors would have given their expert opinion on that ,
another thing she can leak the information that govt is behing all that but is not telling you details just to maintain the confidentilality... bogus excuse
please dont listen to such thing , take care of you keep faith GODBLESS
she said she was a forensic pathologist in los angeles forensic center.. she was not my friend ,and i dont even know her,i read her post in the fan club..she post ed it so condidentilly...maybe i am naive..i was taken for a ride...thanks ,i just rethink her post ,and now i am back on your lines...and i will remention that no offence of my post....my heart just like a glass one, i dare not to read everyting about so-called "truth...."~~~~and thanks again~~ forgive my english ~~~~
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I love how they conveniently chose a drug for MJ to OD on and "die" that is one that leaves the body quickly and cannot be traced after a certain time. Choosing Propofol was done on purpose so they could slow the arrest and investigation to give MJ time to comeback and/or do what he has to do. They cannot arrest anyone in this matter simply because propofol was never given in the first place. Propofol was chosen BECAUSE it cant be traced and I find it hard to believe they found toxic levels in his autopsy after MANY hours of him supposedly being dead.
EHHHH WRONG ANSWER!!!!
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Don't believe her. Nobody knows how Michael really looked like in private. It's easy to label an other body to distract.
And the report is NOT right, neither as the deathstatement (there are 3 different ones)
Ask her witch official name was on the autopsy report...
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I'm not judging you. That's not my intent. We've had so many people come on here trying to convince us that MJ is dead. Their only intent was to play games and mess with our emotions(aka trolls) Sorry...
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forgive my english and my stupid computer..
it is my second reply..
you really made my cry and hurt my heart badly....but i will fogive you if you dont mind sending me 2candies....i 'll share them with mj somewhere :P
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Don't believe her. Nobody knows how Michael really looked like in private. It's easy to label an other body to distract.
And the report is NOT right, neither as the deathstatement (there are 3 different ones)
Ask her witch official name was on the autopsy report...
she would not leak the info about herself....but i can tell you she is a chinese-american ...so you can check whether there is a chinese american in that center!!
and i am a chinese girl , that is one of the reasons i was lurking for several months..
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*******!!, SOME FAN GOT THE AUTOPSY REPORT, YEAH RIGHT IN THEIR DREAMS!! :roll: :roll:
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Calm down people!!
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Sorry but if you read her post in a fan club can you please put a link to the post or copy and paste it to us here so we can know exactly what she said???
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I'm glad we have it figured out. Completely untrue, and not possible. ;) Great work, guys!
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give her a brake guys/ girls. Maybe she's telling the truth. I mean there have to be papers in hospital with MJ being dead. Maybe that person working in the hospital was told things that they were supposed to tell her. I don't think Michael is dead but there have to be papers out there. It means nothing! Or who knows the colegue at the hospital .....if she's not a fan she can't possibly tell it was him!
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before i go to sleep.l will say ,thanks for all your help...i am a contradictory person..one half of my mind strong believes mj is alive,for my first sense and your clues,although i can not fully understandthem.the other part of my heart is so sensitive, so vulnerable, so easy to break~~~~so, whenever i am wrong,please "teach me a lesson..." and now i can go to sleep with strong will you gave to me,and a complete heart..... :P
i love you all, and you just saving a dying person~~~~~~~ :P
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No, sorrie, it's impossible
Michael is not dead. And another thing if she is a friend (no affend) why are you leaking her confidentional message to the world. :?
No this is lost energy, because it's false.
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thats what i m saying it again and again NO TRACES FOUND in case of propofol intoxication , by the way is she a
forensic pathologist ,then i must say she e must be something , you know the indian pathologist who did autopsy is doing it for most of celebriteis and to reach that level need years and years of hard work and expoerience ,by the way he is registered pathologist since 70s...that what i read
when it comes to high profile cases specially with the label of homicide attach to it it means one has to be very precise and accurate with his / her findings and it need s perfection ,, not an ordinary doctor can perform it .. i dont want to offend any one but this is so irrelevant , why would govt cremate his brain when the brain tissue is already taken out examined and EXPERIENCED doctors would have given their expert opinion on that ,
another thing she can leak the information that govt is behing all that but is not telling you details just to maintain the confidentilality... bogus excuse
please dont listen to such thing , take care of you keep faith GODBLESS
she said she was a forensic pathologist in los angeles forensic center.. she was not my friend ,and i dont even know her,i read her post in the fan club..she post ed it so condidentilly...maybe i am naive..i was taken for a ride...thanks ,i just rethink her post ,and now i am back on your lines...and i will remention that no offence of my post....my heart just like a glass one, i dare not to read everyting about so-called "truth...."~~~~and thanks again~~ forgive my english ~~~~
You didn't mention that you read this on a fan club website! Ten to one, she's talking out her rear end! Anyone that goes on a fan club/forum claiming to have inside information are just looking for attention. Unless they provide actual proof that backs up what they say, I wouldn't believe one word!
Now I feel better knowing it was from a fan club website. It sounds like she's another nutter that calls themeless a "fan" of MJ. :roll:
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No, sorrie, it's impossible
Michael is not dead. And another thing if she is a friend (no affend) why are you leaking her confidentional message to the world. :?
No this is lost energy, because it's false.
She's not a friend of the OPs. She read her thread on a fan club website.
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Sorry but if you read her post in a fan club can you please put a link to the post or copy and paste it to us here so we can know exactly what she said???
as you wish
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=679881244 (http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=679881244)
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Someone needs some attention i guess :lol: :lol: :lol:
I work for Forrest Lawn too ;) and you know what? The coffin was empty :P
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thats what i m saying it again and again NO TRACES FOUND in case of propofol intoxication , by the way is she a
forensic pathologist ,then i must say she e must be something , you know the indian pathologist who did autopsy is doing it for most of celebriteis and to reach that level need years and years of hard work and expoerience ,by the way he is registered pathologist since 70s...that what i read
when it comes to high profile cases specially with the label of homicide attach to it it means one has to be very precise and accurate with his / her findings and it need s perfection ,, not an ordinary doctor can perform it .. i dont want to offend any one but this is so irrelevant , why would govt cremate his brain when the brain tissue is already taken out examined and EXPERIENCED doctors would have given their expert opinion on that ,
another thing she can leak the information that govt is behing all that but is not telling you details just to maintain the confidentilality... bogus excuse
please dont listen to such thing , take care of you keep faith GODBLESS
she said she was a forensic pathologist in los angeles forensic center.. she was not my friend ,and i dont even know her,i read her post in the fan club..she post ed it so condidentilly...maybe i am naive..i was taken for a ride...thanks ,i just rethink her post ,and now i am back on your lines...and i will remention that no offence of my post....my heart just like a glass one, i dare not to read everyting about so-called "truth...."~~~~and thanks again~~ forgive my english ~~~~
You didn't mention that you read this on a fan club website! Ten to one, she's talking out her rear end! Anyone that goes on a fan club/forum claiming to have inside information are just looking for attention. Unless they provide actual proof that backs up what they say, I wouldn't believe one word!
Now I feel better knowing it was from a fan club website. It sounds like she's another nutter that calls themeless a "fan" of MJ. :roll:
i am sorry indeed...godbless my akward english...and she scared me to death...
then i will never post here to show my terrible english...thank you and other friends here, i reconsiderate the post she sent, and i doubt i am the stupist mj fan in the world...mj forgive me~~~you cant image how much i love you~~~
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No, sorrie, it's impossible
Michael is not dead. And another thing if she is a friend (no affend) why are you leaking her confidentional message to the world. :?
No this is lost energy, because it's false.
She's not a friend of the OPs. She read her thread on a fan club website.
thank you dove, :oops:
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Someone needs some attention i guess :lol: :lol: :lol:
I work for Forrest Lawn too ;) and you know what? The coffin was empty :P
to be honest , the first time i saw the coffin in the public funeral ,i bet it empty..so did the second time in the private one....and .i can sure that the coffin in the forrest lawn is just like a smoke screen...
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I know I'm a noob and don't have much say, but
CAN YA'LL PLEASE STOP ATTACKING EVERYONE WHO HAS A DOUBT?!?!?
It's ridiculous and makes me think of Don Quioxte's windmills, the emperor's new clothes, and building castles in the sky.
When your ideas are pulled out of thin air and based on nothing, then any doubt can make them..
poof!
disappear.
I and other posters who have doubts are on here usually because on some level we believe Michael to be ALIVE.
Chasing us away, being insulting and rude makes me think that some of ya'll are just plain crazy and aren't basing your beliefs on anything other than your fantasies about Michael.
If you really want to call yourselves "Investigators" then you should be able to investigate ***ALL*** possibilities surrounding this "hoax."
Including the possibility that it may not be a "hoax" at all.
As a fan of Michael's, I would rather know the T.R.U.T.H. No matter WHAT it is.
Doesn't everyone else want to know the WHOLE TRUTH too?
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It you want the truth...go here
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1025 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1025)
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i am sorry indeed...godbless my akward english...and she scared me to death...
then i will never post here to show my terrible english...thank you and other friends here, i reconsiderate the post she sent, and i doubt i am the stupist mj fan in the world...mj forgive me~~~you cant image how much i love you~~~[/quote]
Please don't be so sad, and do come back to visit. No one is mad at you personally. You are just reporting something you saw on a fan website that scared you, and I probably would have felt the same way. You seem like a nice person to me, so please don't be so hard on yourself. I think that fan is making things up...Michael could not have had propofol in his system after so long. I don't believe true autopsy results would be leaked in such a manner on a fan website. If anything the fan should have gone to the media if she had any proof. I don't believe her for a second. I will read her link though just to find inconsistencies. I am sure it is another false worry. Also no one is criticizing you for your language difficulties. There are lots of people here from various countries for whom Engish is not their first language. And don't think you are the supidest MJ fan. Obviously you care about him.
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-Troll alert-
During my long stay on this (including other hoax sites) there have been many people claiming to know stuff, people with inside information and often they want to assure us that Michael has indeed passed away. On time there was a man whose wife worked at the Coroner’s office in LA, she took a pic of Michael’s dead body with her cell phone and send that picture to her man since he was an MJ fan. This absurd act doesn’t stop here, her intentions was “good” she wanted her man to be sure that MJ had passed. This unique pic “unfortunately” got deleted.
He also claimed to have much more inside information from the Coroner which seemed very convincing but like everything else they are all liars since they will tell u A but not B. I have more examples of people pulling similar stunts but I will stop here.
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It you want the truth...go here
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1025 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1025)
With all due respect, I don't believe any of that.
At all.
-Troll alert-
During my long stay on this (including other hoax sites) there have been many people claiming to know stuff, people with inside information and often they want to assure us that Michael has indeed passed away. On time there was a man whose wife worked at the Coroner’s office in LA, she took a pic of Michael’s dead body with her cell phone and send that picture to her man since he was an MJ fan. This absurd act doesn’t stop here, her intentions was “good” she wanted her man to be sure that MJ had passed. This unique pic “unfortunately” got deleted.
He also claimed to have much more inside information from the Coroner which seemed very convincing but like everything else they are all liars since they will tell u A but not B. I have more examples of people pulling similar stunts but I will stop here.
With all due respect to you as well, how does what one person said before make this girl a troll now?
How is it that someone can come on here and say that they read/saw something on another area of the internet -or- heard/saw something in person that Michael may be dead - with NO PROOF - and THAT person is a troll.
However, someone else can say that they found "proof" that Michael is alive and the clue is bubblegum or the number 7, and THAT person is not only NOT called a "troll" or insulted, but they're respected and people will go and LOOK for more info on bubblegum or the number 7?!?!?
Where is the investigating?????
It seems like people aren't investigating.
They're just trying to back up a theory that they have that Michael is alive and ignore any other leads or possibilities.
Hasn't anyone else ever watched "Law & Order?" :lol:
Doesn't everyone else know that to be a good investigator you follow **ALL** leads.
Not just the ones that take you in the direction that you WANT to go.
Back to the topic of this thread, I'm sorry mjlonglives for how people attacked you.
I'm new here but I don't think that Michael would have liked/would like for his fans to display such intolerance to each other.
Take care.
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now firstly forget about the autopsy, for me thats not enough proof. if we really wanted 1 million percent confirmation is to personally see the body in the casket, but the family cant keep stories straight about the condition of the body, although weve been told that there was facial damage by jermaine, janet said that he looked perfect like he was sleeping. so you would have to try really hard to convince me that he is really dead.
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If she's for real, then why didn't we saw the "autopsy" by now? :P
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During my long stay on this (including other hoax sites) there have been many people claiming to know stuff, people with inside information and often they want to assure us that Michael has indeed passed away. On time there was a man whose wife worked at the Coroner’s office in LA, she took a pic of Michael’s dead body with her cell phone and send that picture to her man since he was an MJ fan. This absurd act doesn’t stop here, her intentions was “good” she wanted her man to be sure that MJ had passed. This unique pic “unfortunately” got deleted.
He also claimed to have much more inside information from the Coroner which seemed very convincing but like everything else they are all liars since they will tell u A but not B. I have more examples of people pulling similar stunts but I will stop here.
With all due respect to you as well, how does what one person said before make this girl a troll now?
How is it that someone can come on here and say that they read/saw something on another area of the internet -or- heard/saw something in person that Michael may be dead - with NO PROOF - and THAT person is a troll.
However, someone else can say that they found "proof" that Michael is alive and the clue is bubblegum or the number 7, and THAT person is not only NOT called a "troll" or insulted, but they're respected and people will go and LOOK for more info on bubblegum or the number 7?!?!?
Where is the investigating?????
It seems like people aren't investigating.
They're just trying to back up a theory that they have that Michael is alive and ignore any other leads or possibilities.
Hasn't anyone else ever watched "Law & Order?" :lol:
Doesn't everyone else know that to be a good investigator you follow **ALL** leads.
Not just the ones that take you in the direction that you WANT to go.
Back to the topic of this thread, I'm sorry mjlonglives for how people attacked you.
I'm new here but I don't think that Michael would have liked/would like for his fans to display such intolerance to each other.
Take care.
Ok I will preface this by saying that the OP’s topic had nothing to do with my previous post I simply shared my experience. I definitely agree with you on the fact that when there is something that supports the hoax we tend to search, find and investigate but when a story like this or similar occur we tend to dismiss it right away. I actually wrote a topic about this matter on MJHD before the second crash so believe me I know this problem and have addressed this before.
But let us now focus on the OP’s topic.
A fan claims to have seen the report of the most famous man on earth, she supposedly works at the Coroner’s office. This would mean that she is under law not to speak about anything confidential and Michael Jackson private record are to remain private, so we can draw the conclusion that she have broken the law if this gets out she will be prosecuted.
She has contradicting facts claiming that Michael wasn’t cluttered with needle marks which don’t interact with the official statements.
If Propofol was only present in his body 10 weeks prior to his death that would mean that Dr Murray is lying completely and the affidavit is wrong which states that he did gave Michael Propofol starting in the beginning of May until his death day. It’s a crime lying to the police. What was the cause of his death? If it wasn’t a lethal level of Propofol combined with other sedatives?
And the reason they can’t arrest Dr. Murray is because lack of evidence on who administrated the drug?
Hello! Dr.Murray confessed, there is something else stopping the police to move forward in their investigation. The fact that a huge cover up has been taking place is a no brainer.
Take care!
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I know I'm a noob and don't have much say, but
CAN YA'LL PLEASE STOP ATTACKING EVERYONE WHO HAS A DOUBT?!?!?
It's ridiculous and makes me think of Don Quioxte's windmills, the emperor's new clothes, and building castles in the sky.
Yeah, and also fact that in history the bad-news messengers were always killed.
Yes, please stop attacking each other. What is great with this forum is that it's friendly and tolerant, that would be great if it could remain so. There are no reason to treat people so badly. Jumping to people throats rarely helps.
I know you reacted out of emotion, so, please, watch your reactions. It's highly unbereable to find in the same thread bad news and nasty people.
Like Virgo75, I think we must follow all the leads. I too want the TRUTH, even if it's an unbearable and heartbreaking one.
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Another thought in connection to my earlier ones on how Propofol does not stay in the body that long and is hard to trace. The autopsy stated that there were no drugs, legal or otherwise, his system and yet also stated that he died of lethal levels of propofol, lorazepam, and another sedative (can't remember the name). In the beginning when the propofol came to be I remember something being said about Dr. Murray giving Michael an injection of something to reverse the effects of the propofol and to "kickstart" his heart rate (for lack of a better term). If that is the case, why wasn't the "antidote" found in his system as well as the sedatives and propofol? We have not heard anything of any trace of the antidote. I find this odd and what is really throwing me is that here we are almost 6 months later and these questions are just now coming to me.
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@mjlonglives I just would like to tell you that I understand how you feel...and please... you need not apologize for the way you use the English language...it's okay, honey..(((((hugs)))))..I hope you feel better now..God bless you. :)
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Another thought in connection to my earlier ones on how Propofol does not stay in the body that long and is hard to trace. The autopsy stated that there were no drugs, legal or otherwise, his system and yet also stated that he died of lethal levels of propofol, lorazepam, and another sedative (can't remember the name). In the beginning when the propofol came to be I remember something being said about Dr. Murray giving Michael an injection of something to reverse the effects of the propofol and to "kickstart" his heart rate (for lack of a better term). If that is the case, why wasn't the "antidote" found in his system as well as the sedatives and propofol? We have not heard anything of any trace of the antidote. I find this odd and what is really throwing me is that here we are almost 6 months later and these questions are just now coming to me.
This was brought up before on the other forum. If Propofol doesn't stay in the system, how could it have been stated by the coroner that this is what killed him?
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Another thought in connection to my earlier ones on how Propofol does not stay in the body that long and is hard to trace. The autopsy stated that there were no drugs, legal or otherwise, his system and yet also stated that he died of lethal levels of propofol, lorazepam, and another sedative (can't remember the name). In the beginning when the propofol came to be I remember something being said about Dr. Murray giving Michael an injection of something to reverse the effects of the propofol and to "kickstart" his heart rate (for lack of a better term). If that is the case, why wasn't the "antidote" found in his system as well as the sedatives and propofol? We have not heard anything of any trace of the antidote. I find this odd and what is really throwing me is that here we are almost 6 months later and these questions are just now coming to me.
This was brought up before on the other forum. If Propofol doesn't stay in the system, how could it have been stated by the coroner that this is what killed him?
My question now is, Where are the traces of the so called antidote? Why were they not also found in his system?
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Another thought in connection to my earlier ones on how Propofol does not stay in the body that long and is hard to trace. The autopsy stated that there were no drugs, legal or otherwise, his system and yet also stated that he died of lethal levels of propofol, lorazepam, and another sedative (can't remember the name). In the beginning when the propofol came to be I remember something being said about Dr. Murray giving Michael an injection of something to reverse the effects of the propofol and to "kickstart" his heart rate (for lack of a better term). If that is the case, why wasn't the "antidote" found in his system as well as the sedatives and propofol? We have not heard anything of any trace of the antidote. I find this odd and what is really throwing me is that here we are almost 6 months later and these questions are just now coming to me.
This was brought up before on the other forum. If Propofol doesn't stay in the system, how could it have been stated by the coroner that this is what killed him?
My question now is, Where are the traces of the so called antidote? Why were they not also found in his system?
We only have Murray's word that he administered an antidote.
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sorry off topic but on the bottom of the page where it says whos online why does it say google bot
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sorry off topic but on the bottom of the page where it says whos online why does it say google bot
Someone's user name?
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Another thought in connection to my earlier ones on how Propofol does not stay in the body that long and is hard to trace. The autopsy stated that there were no drugs, legal or otherwise, his system and yet also stated that he died of lethal levels of propofol, lorazepam, and another sedative (can't remember the name). In the beginning when the propofol came to be I remember something being said about Dr. Murray giving Michael an injection of something to reverse the effects of the propofol and to "kickstart" his heart rate (for lack of a better term). If that is the case, why wasn't the "antidote" found in his system as well as the sedatives and propofol? We have not heard anything of any trace of the antidote. I find this odd and what is really throwing me is that here we are almost 6 months later and these questions are just now coming to me.
This was brought up before on the other forum. If Propofol doesn't stay in the system, how could it have been stated by the coroner that this is what killed him?
Its true that Propofol can not be found in the blood system after a couple of hours, however traces can still be found in ex. hair and brain tissue.
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My question now is, Where are the traces of the so called antidote? Why were they not also found in his system?[/quote]
We only have Murray's word that he administered an antidote.[/quote]
Exactly. If they can find traces of the propofol that many hours later, you can't tell me that they couldn't find traces of the antidote as well. This is just another thing that makes me think that the whole propofol story is BS.
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sorry off topic but on the bottom of the page where it says whos online why does it say google bot
Someone's user name?
you cant press on it though does some user names do that?
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Another thought in connection to my earlier ones on how Propofol does not stay in the body that long and is hard to trace. The autopsy stated that there were no drugs, legal or otherwise, his system and yet also stated that he died of lethal levels of propofol, lorazepam, and another sedative (can't remember the name). In the beginning when the propofol came to be I remember something being said about Dr. Murray giving Michael an injection of something to reverse the effects of the propofol and to "kickstart" his heart rate (for lack of a better term). If that is the case, why wasn't the "antidote" found in his system as well as the sedatives and propofol? We have not heard anything of any trace of the antidote. I find this odd and what is really throwing me is that here we are almost 6 months later and these questions are just now coming to me.
This was brought up before on the other forum. If Propofol doesn't stay in the system, how could it have been stated by the coroner that this is what killed him?
Its true that Propofol can not be found in the blood system after a couple of hours, however traces can still be found in ex. hair and brain tissue.
If they determined the propofol from hair and brain tissue would it not make sense that it works the same as any other drug such as marijuana and cocaine. A person may not have used it for years but yet the hair and brain tissue would show it because it doesn't leave the areas? If that is true, which I am not sure of with propofol, then couldn't the so called traces be due to anesthesiologists having used propofol to sedate him before a surgical procedure?
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My question now is, Where are the traces of the so called antidote? Why were they not also found in his system?
We only have Murray's word that he administered an antidote.
Exactly. If they can find traces of the propofol that many hours later, you can't tell me that they couldn't find traces of the antidote as well. This is just another thing that makes me think that the whole propofol story is BS.
I dont think it makes the Propofol story BS, since the Coroner have not given out all information about Michael's autopsy and they are not entiled to give out any information at this moment. Right now its sealed until it opens we can only specualte, but I think that was a good obsevation of yours
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I am not crediting anyone who says they have seen the autopsy report, like everyone else, I will need A LOT more proof before being convinced. I just wanted to point out how highly unlikely it is that we know all there is to know in regards to the autopsy report. We can't expect the coroner's to have revealed everything to the public. If Michael has indeed..passed.. then I'm sure they have the answers to the propofol and antidote questions that we have. They would have A LOT more information kept private.They're just keeping quiet and waiting. For what? I don't know.
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I wish they would hurry up. I have questions and they should have answers (if he is really gone). I am not the most patient person in the world and things like this just make me crazy...LOL!!!!!
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oh please..you believe everything you read. If she has no proofs, then I don't believe her.
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kdkennedy74 , You're not alone with that. I am the most impatient person in the world and this whole thing is driving me crazyyy lol. I still believe he is alive, but if he isn't, I want to know that too..ASAP. I'd like to know where to direct my lynch mob lol. If he isn't with us anymore, then justice must be served because something is definitely not right. If he isn't alive, then I will have to jump on the 'foul play' wagon. But I digress, Michael is alive!
But I do hate reading articles like these : http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/ask_the_answer_bitch/b155814_whats_taking_long_with_michael_jackson.html It seems like this is going to take an eternity. Like the Ana Nicole case. In the meantime, I'll keep believing :)
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Atleast with the Anna Nicole case we had only one story as to the events leading up to her death. Michael was found in as many as 3 different places in different variations of distress and died I don't know how many times. I just wish they would give us one clean story and stick to it. If nothing else, I would atleast like to be able to keep the "facts" straight while I search for answers.
Wanna share a padded cell until things are solved? I think I am going to need one and soon!!!!! :lol:
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I could make up a story like that too.. here it goes
My sister is training to be a nurse at UCLA hospital. She was there the day that Michael Jackson was brought in lifeless. She saw them working on him, she saw the distress on everyones faces and the sadness. When the news broke that he was dead she said everyone just fell to their knees and started crying and screaming. He's really gone, as much as I love him and I wish for him to be alive, he is gone and we have to move on :( She was talking to one of the doctors who were working on him and they said he had been dead for a while. I hope justice can prevail.
See how easy that is.. OK so it's not as believable as the autopsy thing, but you get what im saying :D
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I could make up a story like that too.. here it goes
My sister is training to be a nurse at UCLA hospital. She was there the day that Michael Jackson was brought in lifeless. She saw them working on him, she saw the distress on everyones faces and the sadness. When the news broke that he was dead she said everyone just fell to their knees and started crying and screaming. He's really gone, as much as I love him and I wish for him to be alive, he is gone and we have to move on :( She was talking to one of the doctors who were working on him and they said he had been dead for a while. I hope justice can prevail.
See how easy that is.. OK so it's not as believable as the autopsy thing, but you get what im saying :D
Great job :D And yes, it is easy! ;)
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several days ago i had my own thought about the top 10 questions on net, and i had a strong feeling that mj is alive......but everything reversed so quickly..just now a fan claimed that she works in the center told us that mj is really dead...she said that she had seen the report ,and can sure that there is no injection pinholes in mj' s body ,and the test tracing Propofol said that mj had those about 10 weeks ago, the time after his announcement in britain. (this can prove that mj was not a druggie!he never keep having drugs for a long time).the reason why they cannot arrest murry is that no evidence showed that murry was the only one to administer propofol to mj...and she said murry is not a doctor,but a heart Consultant ...and the part of mj' s brain had been cremated..also she told us that goverment covered some truths in order to avoid the rate of crime...
my heart is dying, i dont know how to relieve it~~~~~~no offence ,i just come to here for help ,someone maybe save me~~~~~~my heart and my mind is bombed by the "truth"~~~~~~~~~~~~ :(
she saw the report but did she see the body??
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I don't believe her, no way.
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More smoke and mirrors. Remember there's far too many facts that have been uncovered that point otherwise and more found every week. If I truly thought that MJ was deceased I'd be the first to say so, but I highly doubt it.
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Wait -- I've got a better one :D
My name's James, I've been a helicopter for over 15 years now. I carried the body of Michael Jackson.
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I just wanted to say on our forum has written one guy, supposedly his father is coroner. And he said that his father allegedly saw the body and he has pictures and he told he`ll give them to us. We believed in that crap, had not slept all night and cried. But all of that was a lie. This guy was a troll. Because a bit later he posted again, with the same IP-adress, he did write completely the other things, like that- Michael is alive and he has a proof and he even knows where he is and when he returns. But we never received any of those or other proofs.
So, all of this is nonsense, don`t trust anyone, it's just a words ...
And I think we needn`t even discuss that.
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Yeah if there wasn't propofol...and there isn't proof that Murray did anything...um what did he die of? Oh and think about what you typed. The government hid some things. ;)
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STOP the LIES
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ok guys.. im neutral on this.. to be honest i just think this person was stateing what she had found!! an she was shot down in flames!!
fair enough it doesn't make sence but isn't that what this froum is about!! without making someone feel awful for saying what they had read or heard!!
i just think a bit more compasion should be held here with people's theories an findings.. don't wanna sound like the party pooper.. but please give some understanding when people find something of interest.. an try to de-bunk it if thats the case without all the negativity!!
it makes you feel awful, and upset for having an opinion on something!!
just had to say that!!
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I just wanted to say on our forum has written one guy, supposedly his father is coroner. And he said that his father allegedly saw the body and he has pictures and he told he`ll give them to us. We believed in that crap, had not slept all night and cried. But all of that was a lie. This guy was a troll. Because a bit later he posted again, with the same IP-adress, he did write completely the other things, like that- Michael is alive and he has a proof and he even knows where he is and when he returns. But we never received any of those or other proofs.
So, all of this is nonsense, don`t trust anyone, it's just a words ...
And I think we needn`t even discuss that.
If we begin to censor all the opinions we don't like, that forum will become a MJHD number 2, and will be sterile and of no interest.
We should read every opinion and statement, and argue with courtesy if we don't agree with them. Nobody ask you to believe what people tell, but we must at least let people express their feelings and opinions.
It's from the various opinions expressed that we get can some light.
That kind of thread might help some members realize they must not trust everything some people claim. But there is no need to be agressive and unpleasant to the poor (and naive, most of the time) members who come with that kind of information.
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For the ones that are interested in what this person has to say, I was able to translate it from Chinese to English.
Lost ki sub -
June 26, we, upon receipt of a forensic case, that is to be Michael request of the family, its forensic pathology autopsy cause of death, and gives an accurate cause of death. Because I was on holiday, it is not involved in the autopsy investigation. But later, after chatting and colleagues, from the colleagues of the mouth has been the real cause of death.
Mai's body showing a state of death was heart failure symptoms, so the first step given by the official news is dying of heart failure, but the real cause of heart failure resulting in further toxicology analysis showed that a large number of sedatives, (we all know that What is a drug)
Such drugs are strictly controlled in the United States use, even in private hands could not have, so check out from the Mai-house stuff is impossible. In the toxicological analysis, my colleagues that intake of such things one step at least 10 weeks or more time, we are based in the United States to take weeks to calculate the time. Note that this time, and if counted from the June 25, then it should be a press conference in London after starting use, and also did not like the official said, as a result of long-term use.
But the government does not want such a result was we all know, why they decided to use has been said, we all know, the kind of fat.
2009-12-10 16:50
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=679881244 (http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=679881244)
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I just wanted to say on our forum has written one guy, supposedly his father is coroner. And he said that his father allegedly saw the body and he has pictures and he told he`ll give them to us. We believed in that crap, had not slept all night and cried. But all of that was a lie. This guy was a troll. Because a bit later he posted again, with the same IP-adress, he did write completely the other things, like that- Michael is alive and he has a proof and he even knows where he is and when he returns. But we never received any of those or other proofs.
So, all of this is nonsense, don`t trust anyone, it's just a words ...
And I think we needn`t even discuss that.
If we begin to censor all the opinions we don't like, that forum will become a MJHD number 2, and will be sterile and of no interest.
We should read every opinion and statement, and argue with courtesy if we don't agree with them. Nobody ask you to believe what people tell, but we must at least let people express their feelings and opinions.
It's from the various opinions expressed that we get can some light.
That kind of thread might help some members realize they must not trust everything some people claim. But there is no need to be agressive and unpleasant to the poor (and naive, most of the time) members who come with that kind of information.
I did not want to offend anyone, but I thought this forum is not for the people who doubt that Michael is alive, right?
And if so, can it be possible to believe in stories like this one?
In my opinion, the posts like that are making people to feel pain.
Is it good?
Many people wept out theirs eyes because of the lie of any of trolls or something
Do you really think we need allow them go on?
I certainly do not want to hang labels on people and do not claim this is the post from the troll, but I think we should be positive here.
And if they wants create the stories, let them be funny, for example - OMG, my friend has said me, she saw Michael in a restaurant with a girl yesterday! The same is not true, but, at least, doesnt make people cry, if only out of envy :D
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Just wanted to touch on this. I used to work in the medical field doing medical transcription. I contacted one of the doctors that I used to work for and asked about this and was told that Propofol/Diprivan exits the body very quickly (within a few hours) after administration is stopped. It does not leave a trail and therefore it is very difficult to detect if not known to be looked for within a timely manner.
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Which makes me wonder how they could determine that propofol was what supposedly killed him, when no one had even heard about it until nurse Lee said that Michael had asked her to get him some. By that time the autopsy was long over, and it surely wouldn't have shown up in the second one.
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I know I'm a noob and don't have much say, but
CAN YA'LL PLEASE STOP ATTACKING EVERYONE WHO HAS A DOUBT?!?!?
It's ridiculous and makes me think of Don Quioxte's windmills, the emperor's new clothes, and building castles in the sky.
When your ideas are pulled out of thin air and based on nothing, then any doubt can make them..
poof!
disappear.
I and other posters who have doubts are on here usually because on some level we believe Michael to be ALIVE.
Chasing us away, being insulting and rude makes me think that some of ya'll are just plain crazy and aren't basing your beliefs on anything other than your fantasies about Michael.
If you really want to call yourselves "Investigators" then you should be able to investigate ***ALL*** possibilities surrounding this "hoax."
Including the possibility that it may not be a "hoax" at all.
As a fan of Michael's, I would rather know the T.R.U.T.H. No matter WHAT it is.
Doesn't everyone else want to know the WHOLE TRUTH too?
thanks ....now this is a new morning in china , my brain refreshed ,and i know i made the stupitest mistake last night....it is all because of my weak will ,and vunerable heart, i should not believe anyone who claimed knew the truth, and now i think her words were full of holes, including she refused to anwser the question about the detais we asked...her anger about our questions ,and the way her talked so strong, so confident~~~
:( mj forgive me ....i should be more strong of my belief and more reasonable, logical about the opposite ideal.....
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i am sorry indeed...godbless my akward english...and she scared me to death...
then i will never post here to show my terrible english...thank you and other friends here, i reconsiderate the post she sent, and i doubt i am the stupist mj fan in the world...mj forgive me~~~you cant image how much i love you~~~[/quote]
Please don't be so sad, and do come back to visit. No one is mad at you personally. You are just reporting something you saw on a fan website that scared you, and I probably would have felt the same way. You seem like a nice person to me, so please don't be so hard on yourself. I think that fan is making things up...Michael could not have had propofol in his system after so long. I don't believe true autopsy results would be leaked in such a manner on a fan website. If anything the fan should have gone to the media if she had any proof. I don't believe her for a second. I will read her link though just to find inconsistencies. I am sure it is another false worry. Also no one is criticizing you for your language difficulties. There are lots of people here from various countries for whom Engish is not their first language. And don't think you are the supidest MJ fan. Obviously you care about him.[/quote]
thank you for your trust...your words made me cry again....i 'll try hard to learn english so that i can make it full understanding about the clues you all provided,then i will not make the stupid mistake agian...
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During my long stay on this (including other hoax sites) there have been many people claiming to know stuff, people with inside information and often they want to assure us that Michael has indeed passed away. On time there was a man whose wife worked at the Coroner’s office in LA, she took a pic of Michael’s dead body with her cell phone and send that picture to her man since he was an MJ fan. This absurd act doesn’t stop here, her intentions was “good” she wanted her man to be sure that MJ had passed. This unique pic “unfortunately” got deleted.
He also claimed to have much more inside information from the Coroner which seemed very convincing but like everything else they are all liars since they will tell u A but not B. I have more examples of people pulling similar stunts but I will stop here.
thank you for your examles..i will never believe so-called but with no strong proof evidence....
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I love how they conveniently chose a drug for MJ to OD on and "die" that is one that leaves the body quickly and cannot be traced after a certain time. Choosing Propofol was done on purpose so they could slow the arrest and investigation to give MJ time to comeback and/or do what he has to do. They cannot arrest anyone in this matter simply because propofol was never given in the first place. Propofol was chosen BECAUSE it cant be traced and I find it hard to believe they found toxic levels in his autopsy after MANY hours of him supposedly being dead.
EHHHH WRONG ANSWER!!!!
YOU ARE RIGHT..AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH PLANNING INVOLVED IN THIS. BTW...LOVE YOUR SIGNATURE :mrgreen:
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Interesting discussion. The report about the autopsy on that fan site is Fake with a capital "F."
Still, I agree with the folks who support being more understanding and less intolerant of posters who say things we don't believe or want to hear (that doesn't automatically make them trolls), and also the ones who find all of this Propofol weirdness and delayed criminal action hella frustrating. I might have to join y'all in your padded cell.
sorry off topic but on the bottom of the page where it says whos online why does it say google bot
Just thought I'd chime in to answer your question, though. Googlebot (or "Google [Bot]" at the bottom of the page) is the software that Google uses to "spider" websites in order to find and index information that's been posted. The results are transmitted to Google, which then enters them in the search engine interface so people can find websites when they search for specific topics.
Carry on...
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It you want the truth...go here
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1025 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1025)
With all due respect, I don't believe any of that.
At all.
-Troll alert-
During my long stay on this (including other hoax sites) there have been many people claiming to know stuff, people with inside information and often they want to assure us that Michael has indeed passed away. On time there was a man whose wife worked at the Coroner’s office in LA, she took a pic of Michael’s dead body with her cell phone and send that picture to her man since he was an MJ fan. This absurd act doesn’t stop here, her intentions was “good” she wanted her man to be sure that MJ had passed. This unique pic “unfortunately” got deleted.
He also claimed to have much more inside information from the Coroner which seemed very convincing but like everything else they are all liars since they will tell u A but not B. I have more examples of people pulling similar stunts but I will stop here.
With all due respect to you as well, how does what one person said before make this girl a troll now?
How is it that someone can come on here and say that they read/saw something on another area of the internet -or- heard/saw something in person that Michael may be dead - with NO PROOF - and THAT person is a troll.
However, someone else can say that they found "proof" that Michael is alive and the clue is bubblegum or the number 7, and THAT person is not only NOT called a "troll" or insulted, but they're respected and people will go and LOOK for more info on bubblegum or the number 7?!?!?
Where is the investigating?????
It seems like people aren't investigating.
They're just trying to back up a theory that they have that Michael is alive and ignore any other leads or possibilities.
Hasn't anyone else ever watched "Law & Order?" :lol:
Doesn't everyone else know that to be a good investigator you follow **ALL** leads.
Not just the ones that take you in the direction that you WANT to go.
Back to the topic of this thread, I'm sorry mjlonglives for how people attacked you.
I'm new here but I don't think that Michael would have liked/would like for his fans to display such intolerance to each other.
Take care.
thank you ..and i am ok now,but please dont blame everyone here, i can understand what they feels,for the basics is that we all love mj sincerely
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@mjlonglives I just would like to tell you that I understand how you feel...and please... you need not apologize for the way you use the English language...it's okay, honey..(((((hugs)))))..I hope you feel better now..God bless you. :)
thank you...hugs :P
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I could make up a story like that too.. here it goes
My sister is training to be a nurse at UCLA hospital. She was there the day that Michael Jackson was brought in lifeless. She saw them working on him, she saw the distress on everyones faces and the sadness. When the news broke that he was dead she said everyone just fell to their knees and started crying and screaming. He's really gone, as much as I love him and I wish for him to be alive, he is gone and we have to move on :( She was talking to one of the doctors who were working on him and they said he had been dead for a while. I hope justice can prevail.
See how easy that is.. OK so it's not as believable as the autopsy thing, but you get what im saying :D
her confidence made me too scared to think like a nomal person...now, i am back ,i will never believe what they said or will say...
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several days ago i had my own thought about the top 10 questions on net, and i had a strong feeling that mj is alive......but everything reversed so quickly..just now a fan claimed that she works in the center told us that mj is really dead...she said that she had seen the report ,and can sure that there is no injection pinholes in mj' s body ,and the test tracing Propofol said that mj had those about 10 weeks ago, the time after his announcement in britain. (this can prove that mj was not a druggie!he never keep having drugs for a long time).the reason why they cannot arrest murry is that no evidence showed that murry was the only one to administer propofol to mj...and she said murry is not a doctor,but a heart Consultant ...and the part of mj' s brain had been cremated..also she told us that goverment covered some truths in order to avoid the rate of crime...
my heart is dying, i dont know how to relieve it~~~~~~no offence ,i just come to here for help ,someone maybe save me~~~~~~my heart and my mind is bombed by the "truth"~~~~~~~~~~~~ :(
she said she was on holidy those days ,she read the report ,and asked the details about the autopsy,.i will not believe her any longer~~~
she saw the report but did she see the body??
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Atleast with the Anna Nicole case we had only one story as to the events leading up to her death. Michael was found in as many as 3 different places in different variations of distress and died I don't know how many times. I just wish they would give us one clean story and stick to it. If nothing else, I would atleast like to be able to keep the "facts" straight while I search for answers.
Wanna share a padded cell until things are solved? I think I am going to need one and soon!!!!! :lol:
Count me in! I've had my jacket on for 5 months...I think a cell would be a nice upgrade lol :lol:
I know I'm completely off topic but I don't want to make a whole other thread for this. I just wanted to share this video.
http://40acres.com/
I think it's beautiful! Cheer up guys! Keep the faith!
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From where I stand, there never was an autopsy, so none of the "autopsy results." are real. To me it makes no difference which one contradicts which other one. They are all fake. And It doesn't matter which drug they say they found. There was no body, so it doesn't matter to me what they say killed him, because nothing killed him. I think propofol was chosen as the "overdose" drug of choice for the hoax because it is so ridiculous...There is no way that the Michael we saw in This is It had been using propofol regularly. I have had it for a procedure and I was wiped out for more than a day afterwards. By all accounts, MJ was a great father and spent a lot of time with his children...I know I couldn't possibly spend quality time with anyone if I were constantly recovering from the effects of last night's propofol. Though traces of the drug exit the body quickly, the "hangover" from it is fairly severe. Also, in my opinion, Murray hasn't been arrested because no one died, and he went back to work because he needs the money. I know this has all been said before, but sometimes we need to be reminded of our core beliefs, developed after many months of many smart people studying every minute detail of this case.
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I saw the first post and got kind of sick but then I saw all the backlash and was getting kind of mad. I am glad some of you held out support for each other.
Ok I have thought about this regarding the account posted.
If Doc Murray is only a Consultant that would be enough to arrest him I would think. If MJ had been using Prop for ten weeks-and it was traced-then he would have to be using it all the time...right...which would go against the account that he was so exhausted he was begging for it. If the government is covering certain aspects of the death then it would stand to reason that "the reason for no arrest" would not be known among anyone. Also if there was a cover up ,that information would not be trickling around the hospital. What the motivation was for this person to post this info on a fansite is beyond me.
It does scare me that there is the possibility in all reality that Michael did die....and we still wont have the answers if he did.
Lets not call trolls unless posters are stating they KNOW something-not sharing something someone else said. :?
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I know I'm completely off topic but I don't want to make a whole other thread for this. I just wanted to share this video.
http://40acres.com/
I think it's beautiful! Cheer up guys! Keep the faith!
Absolutely beautiful video! Thanks so much for sharing it. :D
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What the heck is a "heart consultant" isn't that a cardiologist? and therefore a doctor?
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What the heck is a "heart consultant" isn't that a cardiologist? and therefore a doctor?
Maybe MJ was lovesick at that time and Murray can heal a broken heart, that's why he is called "heart consultant" :lol:
Kidding aside, yeah I'm in confusion, too. So Murray now is not a doctor :?: I wonder what would he be these coming days? :?
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Uh, guys?
don't lose hope just yet, whether Murray was the only one to give him propofol or not, he should still be arrested if thats the case.....but is he?
He even admitted to it, what more proof do they need?
For all we know, this could be another one of those nutcases that are hell-bent on proving us believers wrong. So let's not just give up on our months of investigating. I implore everyone to stay strong.
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yeah~ even though they cannot sure whether murry is the only use the drug, they can sure that murry was definitely homicide through negligence,i am curious about that whether murry should be arrested according american laws,or at least be fined!
To answer your question whether Murray should be arrested according to American Laws
or at lest be fine. Yes, he should be arrested, fined or at lest his ability to prescribe prescription medication should be suspended until the investigation is complete. I mean, it doesn't make any sense that he's still allowed to administer Propofol and is still allowed to practice medicine! :roll:
I'm American and I've NEVER seen a case like this before! There's too many inconsistencies for this to be a real death. I'm not saying that he can't be dead, but I would hope if he is dead that things would be a lot different and would go a lot faster. If it turns out that MJ did die June 25th, there's something radically wrong! :?
Keep the faith and know the truth will prevail eventually. I wouldn't believe everything we're told until we have actual proof to back it up. ;) :)
I agree with everything you have said. There' s something so radically wrong for this to be a real death. Well-said!
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Ok I have a question, if this is true, why would they burn up that peice of the brain, wouldn't that be evidence, and it was siad that the family wouldn't bury him without that peice of brain, my head is spinning with all of this
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i cannt reply~~~
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come to a conclusin on invincible
first,i have keep lurking on mjhd and this site since the day mjhd built.i cant fully understand all your clues for my horrible english ,so there has not a basic outline of clues in my mind....base on above all i am vunerable and easy breakdown by other so-called truth ...and i believe there are not lack of the same people as me.you can treat us as the poor or no-brainer...i am ok.....
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second,her words and tone was so confident that scared me and i cannt think as momal people do...just scare!!
third,the reason i came here is for your help and suport, with no intention to hurt anyone here, i was just worried and post as soon as possible....i want to catch a driftwood in the river like human being'l Basic Instinct to call 911 when someone comes accross a killer....
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forth,all i posted was what she said ,i just express my worries and feelings....she was not my friend...
fifth,human beings are complicated senior animals..we cant have the same brains...twins are most look alike.but there are still subtle differences..there are different fans of mj,some think mj is really dead and treat us crazy, some just like you have a strong will of hoax, some remain neutral; ,also some just think he is dead but with a slice hope of it is a hoax, or otherwise, and some like me have a weak will or easy influent by others, again you can call us the poor and no brainer~~~~~but you will never make all the same as you ~~~~~what you can do is just to change them by you reasonable proof and alongside your open mind..
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i cannt reply it again??
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last, i'll say it loud and agian i come here for help.no intention to offend or hurt your feelings
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if someof you really cannot understand my original intention,you can apply to delete my post,and i 'll never post here and say no words
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but we must rememble that the reason why oceans are large without our sight is that they embraced all rivers come from continents without conditions
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much less we have common sense that we truly love mj..it is the basic thing,and most important
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i dont know why i cant reply them in one time."general error"
please donot confuse by my post, i know she is a liar now,just stick to our belief~~and someone fights against her now~~~~i made a horrible mistake just like my horrible english~~~ :lol:
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I know I'm a noob and don't have much say, but
CAN YA'LL PLEASE STOP ATTACKING EVERYONE WHO HAS A DOUBT?!?!?
It's ridiculous and makes me think of Don Quioxte's windmills, the emperor's new clothes, and building castles in the sky.
When your ideas are pulled out of thin air and based on nothing, then any doubt can make them..
poof!
disappear.
I and other posters who have doubts are on here usually because on some level we believe Michael to be ALIVE.
Chasing us away, being insulting and rude makes me think that some of ya'll are just plain crazy and aren't basing your beliefs on anything other than your fantasies about Michael.
If you really want to call yourselves "Investigators" then you should be able to investigate ***ALL*** possibilities surrounding this "hoax."
Including the possibility that it may not be a "hoax" at all.
As a fan of Michael's, I would rather know the T.R.U.T.H. No matter WHAT it is.
Doesn't everyone else want to know the WHOLE TRUTH too?
Glad someone finally said it! ;)
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I know I'm a noob and don't have much say, but
CAN YA'LL PLEASE STOP ATTACKING EVERYONE WHO HAS A DOUBT?!?!?
It's ridiculous and makes me think of Don Quioxte's windmills, the emperor's new clothes, and building castles in the sky.
When your ideas are pulled out of thin air and based on nothing, then any doubt can make them..
poof!
disappear.
I and other posters who have doubts are on here usually because on some level we believe Michael to be ALIVE.
Chasing us away, being insulting and rude makes me think that some of ya'll are just plain crazy and aren't basing your beliefs on anything other than your fantasies about Michael.
If you really want to call yourselves "Investigators" then you should be able to investigate ***ALL*** possibilities surrounding this "hoax."
Including the possibility that it may not be a "hoax" at all.
As a fan of Michael's, I would rather know the T.R.U.T.H. No matter WHAT it is.
Doesn't everyone else want to know the WHOLE TRUTH too?
Glad someone finally said it! ;)
I second that!
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i dont know why i cant reply them in one time."general error"
please donot confuse by my post, i know she is a liar now,just stick to our belief~~and someone fights against her now~~~~i made a horrible mistake just like my horrible english~~~ :lol:
I knew it, wnen i wrote my post which caused so many angry attacks. Thank you :D
And I must say I'm not investigator, I just feel and know, Michael is alive!
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I know I'm a noob and don't have much say, but
CAN YA'LL PLEASE STOP ATTACKING EVERYONE WHO HAS A DOUBT?!?!?
It's ridiculous and makes me think of Don Quioxte's windmills, the emperor's new clothes, and building castles in the sky.
When your ideas are pulled out of thin air and based on nothing, then any doubt can make them..
poof!
disappear.
I and other posters who have doubts are on here usually because on some level we believe Michael to be ALIVE.
Chasing us away, being insulting and rude makes me think that some of ya'll are just plain crazy and aren't basing your beliefs on anything other than your fantasies about Michael.
If you really want to call yourselves "Investigators" then you should be able to investigate ***ALL*** possibilities surrounding this "hoax."
Including the possibility that it may not be a "hoax" at all.
As a fan of Michael's, I would rather know the T.R.U.T.H. No matter WHAT it is.
Doesn't everyone else want to know the WHOLE TRUTH too?
Glad someone finally said it! ;)
Yes, i agree. IF he is really gone then I want justice. He sure as HE_ _ isnt getting it right now from his family, friends and authorities.
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I did not want to offend anyone, but I thought this forum is not for the people who doubt that Michael is alive, right?
And if so, can it be possible to believe in stories like this one?
In my opinion, the posts like that are making people to feel pain.
Is it good?
Many people wept out theirs eyes because of the lie of any of trolls or something
Do you really think we need allow them go on?
I certainly do not want to hang labels on people and do not claim this is the post from the troll, but I think we should be positive here.
And if they wants create the stories, let them be funny, for example - OMG, my friend has said me, she saw Michael in a restaurant with a girl yesterday! The same is not true, but, at least, doesnt make people cry, if only out of envy :D
Hi Invicible,
This forum is called MJ Death Hoax Investigators and focuses on the investigation. I came here for that reason.
We're mostly here because we think Michael is alive, but many of us are not 100% sure and need more evidences and facts. So, it's also a place to share one's doubts and find more. I don't think this blog is only for those who are sure Michael is alive. I for one am sometimes 50% sure and some other times 80%, but there are also moments I think I'm fooling myself and that he really died.
Some posts put me down and some others give me hope, and that's what it takes to live that experience.
All I want is to know the truth. It what we all want, IMHO, but to get it we must take into account every information which comes and analyse it. If it's fake, we discard it and it's OK. We've already done that.
We can't reject all that hurts just because it hurts.
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"..and the part of mj' s brain had been cremated.."
The family would never allow that. They would want the brain placed back inside. Because Jehovah witnesses believe that they are just sleeping and not dead. He needs to be whole.
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Omg, I'm NOT a Jehovah witness, and that's how I feel, too! The body needs to be whole... I don't like when people get cremated either... *shudders*
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i dont know why i cant reply them in one time."general error"
please donot confuse by my post, i know she is a liar now,just stick to our belief~~and someone fights against her now~~~~i made a horrible mistake just like my horrible english~~~ :lol:
I knew it, wnen i wrote my post which caused so many angry attacks. Thank you :D
And I must say I'm not investigator, I just feel and know, Michael is alive!
i just express my feelings ,i am not mad at you~~ :D remember we are family! :P
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Yeah seriously. If I had such medical knowledge and nothing better to do than to hurt others, I could make up some crud that I saw Mj in the autopsy room ya da da da... but its all just hear say.
A person who says Michael is dead has the same credibility as a person who says they saw Michael alive somewhere. Hopefully the latter stories are true.
Seriously its all hear-say. We shouldnt let ourselves get upset over that stuff.
Keep the faith... in the truth. :D Hugs to yall.
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wow i love your underlines he is soo damn sweet
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several days ago i had my own thought about the top 10 questions on net, and i had a strong feeling that mj is alive......but everything reversed so quickly..just now a fan claimed that she works in the center told us that mj is really dead...she said that she had seen the report ,and can sure that there is no injection pinholes in mj' s body ,and the test tracing Propofol said that mj had those about 10 weeks ago, the time after his announcement in britain. (this can prove that mj was not a druggie!he never keep having drugs for a long time).the reason why they cannot arrest murry is that no evidence showed that murry was the only one to administer propofol to mj...and she said murry is not a doctor,but a heart Consultant ...and the part of mj' s brain had been cremated..also she told us that goverment covered some truths in order to avoid the rate of crime...
my heart is dying, i dont know how to relieve it~~~~~~no offence ,i just come to here for help ,someone maybe save me~~~~~~my heart and my mind is bombed by the "truth"~~~~~~~~~~~~ :(
Ok here's is y that lady's whole statement is totally wrong!
#1. As previous pple stated...u can not trace Propofol back to 10 weeks..it leaves the body very quickly...
#2. Regardless on w.e "Dr" Conrad Murray is, it is illegal to use propofol outside a hospital, especially if he doesnt even have the license to do so.......AND on top of that HE was the one who administered the fatal dose then Admitted to giving him it..........he should've been behind bars the day they ruled it a homicide then let out on high bail but still investigated until they schedule a trail for the homicide..........so that crap about not enough evidence is total bullshyt
#3.If the government is hiding any truth its either a planned murder or Craig Harvey(him b.c I feel he in on the hoax).....MJ is to smart to b murdered so must mean Craig Harvey(chief investigator) know something we r trying to figure out......
So can tell ur crazy "fan"/friend that next time try giving some actual proof before making statements like that....now a days pple r gonna say they know this and that about the MJ case.....well if they not from MJ's inner circle/family then I pay them no mind........dnt b discouraged over this false information
P.s. it was already stated MJ's brain was returned to body hence y it took so long for the burl they were waiting for the brain.....btw do u honestly think Kathrine wuld allow her son to b buried with half a brain and on top of that the other half cremated? Doubt it!!!! Dnt let that so called doctor bring u down, there's more proof towards him being alive....hope this brought ur spirit up :)