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Title: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: *Mo* on June 25, 2010, 08:31:30 AM

Since quite some people seem to lose faith lately and are leaving, and since several members said that if Mike doesn't come back on the 25th they're done, I have created this "Official goodbye" thread.  

If you're leaving, then please leave your message in this thread instead of creating new threads.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Loud on June 25, 2010, 08:32:40 AM
Good idea!!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: 50thstatebeliever on June 26, 2010, 06:19:16 AM
I just viewed LKL with Jermaine. I say this from a humble part of my soul - I think it is time to give Jermaine and his family 1000% of the due respect they deserve, and say goodbye to the physically living Michael Jackson, that I had hoped would not be dead.  I could not watch Jermaine and think that he was still adamantly acting out a hoax. I could not. He was not trying to continue the hoax, he was not trying to pretend that Michael is gone, he was not trying to create false stories and comments on his mother and the rest of his family, and their sorrow and pain on the memorial of Michael's passing. He was being as real as he can only be. I believe now, that Michael is begging from above, for the world or the part of the world that still wants to hang on to the notion that he hoaxed his death - to please please please let it go - so that his soul can be in peace. For it is when we hang on to these notions, that Michael is saddened. His spirit cannot "go". His spirit cannot "fly" as high as it would like to. This is what I believe, and I want to apologize to Michael for dragging it on this long. Spread your wings, Michael - you're free now. You need to go and seek the highest realm in heaven where you no longer have to worry about the world you left behind, and you won't have to watch us continue to stumble in the dark, hoping for signs, hoping for tidbits on your return. We know you feel pain when you see us refusing to let you go. And if, just IF I am wrong - if one day, I am proven wrong, that you are really alive and you have made your come back, then I will stand corrected. BUT, that is not a hopeful statement I am making. I am just saying, I will stand corrected. For now, I know what my heart says - and it says it in love, not in anger or sadness - my heart says I am sorry Michael, for not letting your spirit go free - I'm sorry for weighing you down like this. I forever rejoice in your life that was - and rejoice that you are no longer near the superficial worldly war that continues to go on regarding what is true and what is not, and what we should expect or not in the near future regarding your return...GO ON AND BE FREE!!!! You can do whatever you want now - not what the world or the fans or anyone wants you to do...Once again, I am sorry for dragging you down. Goobye Michael - the galaxy is your limitless home.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mmz on June 26, 2010, 06:24:11 AM
Quote from: "50thstatebeliever"
I just viewed LKL with Jermaine. I say this from a humble part of my soul - I think it is time to give Jermaine and his family 1000% of the due respect they deserve, and say goodbye to the physically living Michael Jackson, that I had hoped would not be dead.  I could not watch Jermaine and think that he was still adamantly acting out a hoax. I could not. He was not trying to continue the hoax, he was not trying to pretend that Michael is gone, he was not trying to create false stories and comments on his mother and the rest of his family, and their sorrow and pain on the memorial of Michael's passing. He was being as real as he can only be. I believe now, that Michael is begging from above, for the world or the part of the world that still wants to hang on to the notion that he hoaxed his death - to please please please let it go - so that his soul can be in peace. For it is when we hang on to these notions, that Michael is saddened. His spirit cannot "go". His spirit cannot "fly" as high as it would like to. This is what I believe, and I want to apologize to Michael for dragging it on this long. Spread your wings, Michael - you're free now. You need to go and seek the highest realm in heaven where you no longer have to worry about the world you left behind, and you won't have to watch us continue to stumble in the dark, hoping for signs, hoping for tidbits on your return. We know you feel pain when you see us refusing to let you go. And if, just IF I am wrong - if one day, I am proven wrong, that you are really alive and you have made your come back, then I will stand corrected. BUT, that is not a hopeful statement I am making. I am just saying, I will stand corrected. For now, I know what my heart says - and it says it in love, not in anger or sadness - my heart says I am sorry Michael, for not letting your spirit go free - I'm sorry for weighing you down like this. I forever rejoice in your life that was - and rejoice that you are no longer near the superficial worldly war that continues to go on regarding what is true and what is not, and what we should expect or not in the near future regarding your return...GO ON AND BE FREE!!!! You can do whatever you want now - not what the world or the fans or anyone wants you to do...Once again, I am sorry for dragging you down. Goobye Michael - the galaxy is your limitless home.

I like your words...Somehow,I feel the same..but ..I will continue give a look once in awhile to this site. I spend every day in last year checking on this site..
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mjfansince4 on June 26, 2010, 06:33:38 AM
how sad :(  i'll be here until katherine tells me to my face it's over.

i think if people even say that they're done, they're not. you will always wonder.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: liegi on June 26, 2010, 06:43:33 AM
Mo,
A very good idea. That way we won't be lured into reading things we aren't interested in.  I think a lot of people just do it for attention.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: karen-ishealive on June 26, 2010, 06:46:46 AM
Good idea Mo, keep all the goodbyes in one thread! I'm not going anywhere.
I still believe 100% MJ is alive.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mykidsmum on June 26, 2010, 06:52:09 AM
I've said this before and I will say it again...it is worth sticking around even if you no longer believe that he hoaxed his death.  Not only is there a lot of info on here, but the viewpoints of others sometimes help when you are trying to find information.  

I have believed he died for quite sometime, probably around the time of the autopsy report but I can't imagine giving up on this site just because I don't believe he hoaxed.  Even if he did not, there are so many inconsistencies that still remain and I want to know why.  I believe that the autopsy report has left out things or has been changed...why?  What is Sony and AEG's role in this?  

Even if you don't believe he hoaxed and is gone...something happened...MJ was taken against his will.  Instead of turning against Karen Faye and all those around him out of jealousy....it's time to listen to what they are saying and ask yourselves why?!  MJ was afraid for his life, this can not be denied...he was a afraid for his children's life, this is why he kept them out of the public...why?  He must have known something we did not...how else can you rationalize his behavior?  Stick around everyone...stick around and just open your eyes and look at the information you didn't want to see before.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Do on June 28, 2010, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
I've said this before and I will say it again...it is worth sticking around even if you no longer believe that he hoaxed his death.  Not only is there a lot of info on here, but the viewpoints of others sometimes help when you are trying to find information.  

I have believed he died for quite sometime, probably around the time of the autopsy report but I can't imagine giving up on this site just because I don't believe he hoaxed.  Even if he did not, there are so many inconsistencies that still remain and I want to know why.  I believe that the autopsy report has left out things or has been changed...why?  What is Sony and AEG's role in this?  

Even if you don't believe he hoaxed and is gone...something happened...MJ was taken against his will.  Instead of turning against Karen Faye and all those around him out of jealousy....it's time to listen to what they are saying and ask yourselves why?!  MJ was afraid for his life, this can not be denied...he was a afraid for his children's life, this is why he kept them out of the public...why?  He must have known something we did not...how else can you rationalize his behavior?  Stick around everyone...stick around and just open your eyes and look at the information you didn't want to see before.

Mykidsmum, I know you're right but it's so hard sometimes. I come to this forum almost each and every day for almost a year and I'm still amazed how much the members over here found out about Michael's life and 'dead' (and I really want to thank all of you for that!). I already knew a lot but I have also learned so, so much more. Yeah, something happened for sure, but I don't know what to think of it anymore. There has been so many theories, it's so hard to keep up with all of them. Lately I have an uncomfortable feeling that the 'clues' we're receiving are made up by clever people to raise viewing rates and increase hits on internetsites. Lots of shows are being surround with Michael 'sightings' (for instance at the Bet awards), Michaels voice (is he singing live???) and the family is giving mixed signals about the hoax. Sometimes I'm afraid everyone is doing it for the money, to keep fans guessing about what has really happened and thus keep the hoax/Michael alive. I'm not going anywhere and will keep coming to this site everyday because I still believe Michael is with us, but I can't shake the feeling that we're being taken advantage of.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mykidsmum on June 28, 2010, 06:32:32 PM
^ I agree with you, I think sometimes we are being taken advantage of, why else wouldn't the family come right out and say hoaxers are crazy...why did Omar have the question mark on his sleeve, why do they always seem so ambiguous?  The same reason why the Elvis camp has done the same thru the years...to keep the interest going and generate money...  It's always going to be like this...but I just wish more people would be open to seeing the possibility of him dying and looking to the people who are really to blame and stop these jealous feelings towards people who actually knew MJ and are trying to shed some light on the man...I don't know, I feel you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: darkchild on June 29, 2010, 12:00:36 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
I've said this before and I will say it again...it is worth sticking around even if you no longer believe that he hoaxed his death.  Not only is there a lot of info on here, but the viewpoints of others sometimes help when you are trying to find information.  

I have believed he died for quite sometime, probably around the time of the autopsy report but I can't imagine giving up on this site just because I don't believe he hoaxed.  Even if he did not, there are so many inconsistencies that still remain and I want to know why.  I believe that the autopsy report has left out things or has been changed...why?  What is Sony and AEG's role in this?  

Even if you don't believe he hoaxed and is gone...something happened...MJ was taken against his will.  Instead of turning against Karen Faye and all those around him out of jealousy....it's time to listen to what they are saying and ask yourselves why?!  MJ was afraid for his life, this can not be denied...he was a afraid for his children's life, this is why he kept them out of the public...why?  He must have known something we did not...how else can you rationalize his behavior?  Stick around everyone...stick around and just open your eyes and look at the information you didn't want to see before.

So many of the comments that you have posted are exactly what I keep coming back to the site on a daily basis.  God bless you! :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Do on June 29, 2010, 01:29:42 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
^ I agree with you, I think sometimes we are being taken advantage of, why else wouldn't the family come right out and say hoaxers are crazy...why did Omar have the question mark on his sleeve, why do they always seem so ambiguous?  The same reason why the Elvis camp has done the same thru the years...to keep the interest going and generate money...  It's always going to be like this...but I just wish more people would be open to seeing the possibility of him dying and looking to the people who are really to blame and stop these jealous feelings towards people who actually knew MJ and are trying to shed some light on the man...I don't know, I feel you.

And I feel what you are feeling, thanks!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GreenManMakeAChange on July 04, 2010, 06:56:50 AM
I really believe it's real now too and he is gone for real, but I will still read the board time to time in case there is that little bit of hope.  Goodbye Michael, I love you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: xxHoldMyHandxx on July 06, 2010, 09:57:35 AM
Okay nevermind... I couldn't even last a day away  :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: KingMJ on July 07, 2010, 07:52:35 AM
I think that's me done too. I was pretty sure at first that he was still alive, due to all the weird things that didn't make sense or add up.  And sure, those weird things are still there and unexplained.  But I just think there are other possible explanations for them (which we are possibly unaware of), other than a hoax.  I'd love Mike to still be alive and even more, for him to come back as an entertainer.  But my hope of that has dwindled away. I've really enjoyed reading some of the threads here, and feel I have learnt a lot. But now, some of the posts I've been reading on here lately, just seem like clutching at straws for a connection to Mike. (ie. suggesting other celebs deaths are also a hoax and may be linked to MJ's) :? .  I don't have an opinion on Karen Faye, I don't know what her intentions are, but I agree with her on one thing... some people here, are twisting anything and everything they can, to support the idea that Mike has planned all this and is alive somewhere.  I really hope u are all proved right.. but for my own sanity, I've accepted that Mike has passed and I hope justice is served to whoever(s) is responsible.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 18, 2010, 01:50:48 PM
I lost 4 or 5 years of my life about 30 years ago hoping for Elvis to return. He didn't.  I have long since given up on believing that he ever will. Though I have not given up hope on Michael returning, it seems that this site is becoming less and less Michael Jackson and more Elvis & Michael of which I don't care to parlay.  I don't have anymore time to give to a hoax that has lasted for 30 years and still not a sign not a glimpse.  Not to mention the constant mind games being played here with people's posts being targeted and sanctioned and sensored :roll: But I digress.  Anyway, I will check in from time to time to see what's up.  If anything pertaining to new conclusive evidence is being discussed, I will join in if so allowed.  Otherwise, I think I'll keep my hands out of the cookie jar.  I will be in Cali around Michael's birthday and during the time of the next hearing for Conrad.  Know that I will be actively participating in rallying for justice for Michael whether he is dead or alive.  He was certainly mistreated and that puppy hasn't changed enough for me.  So even though this is not goodbye, it is a diversion for me.  Changing my own course because I captain my own ship ;) .  I will continue to keep an open mind and and even more open eye for things that make my heart beat quicken on this journey into the unknown.  If I find things that I think might be of interest to you, I'll get here to pass it on.  But from experience, I know you have to be swifter than the speed of lightening because the people who post here are on the money quick, fast and in a hurry. :lol: Absolutely NOTHING gets past them and that is ALLGOOD!  I have but one hoax to give and that one is EXCLUSIVELY for Michael Jackson.   In my world, NO ONE ELSE can share his space.  No one.

Still love you though.  You feel like family.  And family, good or bad, is forever.  All4Love!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: tekamjforever on July 30, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder, friendship, admiration, understanding and mutual respect, provided remotely. Watching this video is that I also have a sad and painful conclusion that Mike is really dead in the flesh, but it will remain forever in my heart every day, in spirit. The search for the truth about what led to his death so sudden, I leave to God and your family for doing so, they are more appropriate. I leave here my thanks to you and much love! :(

[youtube:bxjpdtxx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvB7I2O7Zs8[/youtube:bxjpdtxx]
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: alovesmichael on July 30, 2010, 01:03:58 PM
Although I'm not leaving this site I just want to say that I share the same feelings as many of you on this thread. Lately a lot of posts have become more and more bizarre but that's just my opinion of course and I respect everyone's opinion. I thought I knew a lot about Michael already but this site has taught me so much more about the man that captured my heart 20 years ago and I'm very thankful for all your hard work. I wish more than anything that Michael's alive but it just seems very unlikely  :cry: . However, I still keep that tiny bit of hope. It makes it all easier since I really can't go through tthat mourning process I went through last year again, too painful. I never knew I'd be so deeply affected by the loss of someone I never even met... What I'm mainly seeking is the truth, we deserve to know.

I have always and will always love Michael and I will never let go.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on August 20, 2010, 09:56:40 PM
I am writing this post to say goodbye to you all. I do so with a heavy heart but my time on these forums has come to an end. I do not write this for sympathy, to have anyone try to convince me to stay or for attention. Sometimes it is better to just walk away when you feel as frustrated as I find myself.

There are many wonderful people who are posting on these threads and I am glad that I have had the opportunity to share and discover with you all. I thank Souza & Mo for starting this forum in the first place and giving me the opportunity to voice my often controversial opinion.

I encourage you all to continue your investigations as I will continue my own privately. Personally, I have already discovered many of the answers that I require though I have been unable to share the depth of theses here on the forums. The one thing that I will suggest is that you to try to open your minds just a little bit more and consider new information that challenges what you may already beLIEve.

Michael is alive and this I have never doubted that for a second.

See you at the end of the yellow brick road, when the adventure ends with a BAM!

L.O.V.E. & Light
Pauline (aka Serenity)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on August 20, 2010, 10:18:48 PM
Pauline (aka: Serenity) - saying goodbye is like seeing family member leave. I will miss your posts and will appreciate the ones that you have contributed.

I, personally, want to thank you for the time and effort that you have taken in presenting your information. It has been insightful, indepth, and inspiring. May you truly find the peace that your heart is searching for. Please know that the door is always unlocked so if you find you miss being here or would like to share with someone who beLIEves, the door is always open. Thanks again.

Many blessings to you. May be always be safe and at peace.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on August 20, 2010, 10:39:07 PM
I feel very sad about you going. You brought much insight to this site, and you will be missed. My worst fear is that after a full year the forum will dissolve from frustration, boredom, bickering, older members tiring, and lack of new information to hold our interest. It has felt somewhat like they must have felt in the second chapter of Acts when the first little band of Christian believers were trying to change the worlld, where they were all a community, they were so excited and ate and shared everything together with glad hearts, and were constantly in awe. Sadly that group disspersed to the winds into persecution. People are people always-- some feisty, some calm, caring and some judgemental, some open or closed. I've felt like I was on a high, here, and when this all ends I have to go through withdrawal. Back to my ordinary life, all the normal usual routine things. Is it true that nothing good lasts forever?

If you have intuitive skills, you can't expect a lot of people to be on the same wavelength though. People in general in the world tend to very observant but mostly on the surface level. If you want to go deeper you won't find a lot of company. What you're feeling is probably what Michael was feeling a lot of the times, lonely from being misunderstood, and wanting to give a message that few wanted to hear. I hope you return to share some of your private investigations down the road.  Blessings.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on August 20, 2010, 10:55:05 PM
Aw Serenity. What am I gonna do now? I was counting on you to be my streaking partner.[sorry. Just trying to make you smile :? ]
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on August 20, 2010, 11:29:51 PM
Aw, I'm gonna miss your insights on the forum, I always thought they were interesting. I hope you can find what you are searching for. <3

Stranger in Chi-town
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Elsa on August 20, 2010, 11:41:47 PM
Serenity, why are you leaving?   You are one of the most dedicated posters here.  I always read your posts with interest.  I'd like to share wise words I learnt from my nephew when he was about three, 'O t(c)ome on, its not so bad', and I'm passing on to you one of his little hugs.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Andrea on August 20, 2010, 11:55:21 PM
I hope you're not leaving us for good, sometimes it's good to take a break.  Lots of love!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: 2good2btrue on August 21, 2010, 12:52:53 AM
Serenity, (pauline)...I know you even though I have never met you. :(  :(

You have been a huge contributor to this forum, and its really sad to see you go.  I do understand though.  I'm feeling the same way too.

I think the hoax part of this journey is over, and now its just wait and see time.

I'm also finding it difficult dedicating so much time here as well, but every now and then I take a peek...cause I can't help myself....

It is time to put words into action, and start making that change..we already have the power in numbers........

So, I wish you all the best in the new journey you are about to endure...Please. comeback and let us know how you are doing....You should write a book about this experience.  You are a very intelligent and gifted women, and deserve to take this incredible gift,  to a higher plane.  It's your time to shine girl.....go get em.. :D
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: jacilovesmichael on August 21, 2010, 12:55:58 AM
Sometimes we all have to agree to disagree. Everyone has their own ways of thinking and reasoning, it's impossible for us all to be on the same page at all times. But even if someone doesn't see your point of view yet or ever on something, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't have an open mind, and the other way around as well. This affects us all in different ways, and we all have different things to bring to the table. We're all so different, which can make things very frustrating, but at the same time, our differences are what gives this entire hoax COLOR. If we never disagreed, if we never were humbled by our own mistakes, if we never cried a little... where would the color be? Everything would be black and white. It would be dull and boring and we'd never strive for goodness or love because we wouldn't have anything to compare it to. The sun would mean nothing without the rain.

I hate to see anyone go. Michael needs us all now more than ever. I'm glad to hear you'll be continuing privately, Serenity. But we must remember that this is all for love - and love simply is not measurable unless shared. I hope you will stay or come back when you're ready, truly.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Grace on August 21, 2010, 01:19:42 AM
Pauline (Serenity),

you are a person of outstanding capabilities, dedication and commitment.
You are searching beyond the horizons and you are leaving conventional and convenient shores in doing so.

I for sure will miss you and many will do alike.
Thank you for your countless detailed and stunning posts, for your steel-headed research and for your willingness to let us participate in your thoughts and findings.

Sending you lots of S.M.I.L.E.S. and being so glad to have had the privilege to meet you.
Take care.
Grace
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: wishingstar on August 21, 2010, 01:35:06 AM
Dear Serenity,

When I saw this, my heart sank.  I am truly saddened.  However, I believe we need to follow our hearts and do what is right for ourselves.  
I want you to know how much I respect you and your investigative skills.  I have never seen so much dedication to research.  You have mad skills when it comes to backing up what you say and mean.  Your videos were amazing.....truly.  I thank you from the bottom of my heart.  You were one of the first people that made me really think about it all.......thank you for that.
I wish you all the very best and most sincere blessings.  You have made a difference, my friend.  

L.O.V.E. and Blessings,
Wishingstar

P.S.  I still love your sig!!!!!! I will miss that too!  :(
Don't be a stranger!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PinkTopaz on August 21, 2010, 01:41:33 AM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Sometimes we all have to agree to disagree. Everyone has their own ways of thinking and reasoning, it's impossible for us all to be on the same page at all times. But even if someone doesn't see your point of view yet or ever on something, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't have an open mind, and the other way around as well. This affects us all in different ways, and we all have different things to bring to the table. We're all so different, which can make things very frustrating, but at the same time, our differences are what gives this entire hoax COLOR. If we never disagreed, if we never were humbled by our own mistakes, if we never cried a little... where would the color be? Everything would be black and white. It would be dull and boring and we'd never strive for goodness or love because we wouldn't have anything to compare it to. The sun would mean nothing without the rain.

I hate to see anyone go. Michael needs us all now more than ever. I'm glad to hear you'll be continuing privately, Serenity. But we must remember that this is all for love - and love simply is not measurable unless shared. I hope you will stay or come back when you're ready, truly.

I agree with what Jaci put into bold- I don't think there are many people at all still here that are only capable of observing things deeply "on a surface level". Anyone deep enough to even believe in the hoax is not shallow in the least! Pauline, I'll really miss your great posts. I don't see why you use the word 'controversial", I never found them that way at all. You're such a shining star here on the board. (You're one of those members that can make one feel kind of lame in comparison, heh!) I hope you pop in soon, a lot of us are really going to miss your theories, you've really dug into the meanings behind so many elements of the hoax.. Love you, S_D!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on August 21, 2010, 04:12:48 AM
Serenity..I am truly saddened to see you leave this forum.
I know, it may be frustrating to you sometime, when you feel under appreciated and even misunderstood, but ,I am here to say, we all did appreciate your hard work and your excellent research ability which you have been generous enough to share with us.  
It is my sincere hope, that you would have a change of heart and come back to continue to bless us with your insights.
You have been holding the one positive belief ,that Michael is indeed alive, and I believe it is people like you that hold up most of us when we waiver and doubt about what may really have happened to our Michael.

It is really funny too, that I am reading here just now, that you have decided to leave the forum, when it was just yesterday, I called myself supporting you when I felt that Ms. Pearl Jr. had indeed plagiarized your hard work and effort in putting her so called e-book together , and made a comment on her video on YT., for which she wrote me today calling me all kinds of names..and blocked me from posting on her vid. :roll:

Ha ha..what do you know, Serenity..I never thought I would come out swinging on your behalf.. :lol:

Well, that has got to take the cake either way you look at it...and I  hope you will miss us the same as we will miss you..and come back soon.

 So,that when the BAM day finally  comes, you will be right here with us .
The People who held out and believed in Michael.

Wishing you the very best in all your endeavor

And..yes I totally agree,..Ms. Pear did not do right by you or by all of us here, the whole investigative community,making a profit out of all our loving hard work, especially yours.
..I have not yet answered to her rude diatribe and untruth, but,..at least she for sure knows now,that you Got Folks on your side to defend your hard work and excellent effort ..ha ha..
Take care..and  hopefully we will see you soon!!
Peace!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MashMike on August 21, 2010, 05:48:27 AM
God bless you
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 21, 2010, 06:10:42 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
The one thing that I will suggest is that you to try to open your minds just a little bit more and consider new information that challenges what you may already beLIEve.


I wonder wht you meant by this...
Anyway,
I hate to see you leave, Serenity's...    :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: youngatheart on August 21, 2010, 08:34:24 AM
It truely makes me sad to see you go.  I always loved reading you very insightful posts.  I believe that if someone is here on this forum to find out the truth about what happened to Michael than an open mind is a necessity.  Your posts always made me look at things from another perspective.  I will miss them.

Thank you for all of the time and effort you put into everything you've done.
I hope you decide to come back to see us soon.  Good luck with your continuing investigation.

You will be missed.

Love and Blessings
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ni-co-le on August 21, 2010, 08:44:48 AM
i feel sad when someone leaves this forum, because we are 1 big family and we are here to find out the truth about our beloved michael...i hope you will come back later ,aldo i understand your feelings ....i cant stay away here not for a single day because i am addicted and i want to know the thruth ..and if this will end ,than i am lost even if michael is back i will miss this forum,  i need rehab i suppose  ;) .....i wish you all the best  bye bye....
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: whisper on August 21, 2010, 08:55:44 AM
I was really sad when I saw this thread, or when I see any member leaving. But I know how you feel. The frustration really gets to you and u don't know what to do with it :shock:
I for one have stoped visiting hoax forums for a while, but I didn't stop investigating. It helped getting rid of the frustration a little. I hope we'll see u again.
I wish you well and happiness.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ClassOf2013 on August 21, 2010, 09:10:46 AM
Aww. We'll miss u! And if I never talk 2 u again, good luck with the rest of ur life  ;)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mjj4ever777 on August 21, 2010, 01:38:53 PM
I will miss you Serenity! I hope you know that there are many people here who really appreciated all the hard work you put into your posts...me being one of those people. I admire your passion for what you believe in! God Bless you dear friend...you will be dearly missed! Sending you Love always,
Dayna <3 :)
"Love Lives Forever!"
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Dancer on August 21, 2010, 02:58:08 PM
That makes me really sad.  :( I appreciated your posts very much (though I did not comment often).
I really hope you will come back to this forum.
Wish you all the best!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: suspicious mind on August 21, 2010, 03:03:51 PM
considering the physical toll this thing has taken on you, i have to say you are probably making a wise choice.doesn't mean you have to stay away for always.considering my pant size is increasing as yours is decreasing perhaps i should consider a break myself. :lol:  :oops: . you have brought much interesting information to the table.(wish more of it hadn't gone right over my head  :lol:  ;) .as for michael ,God has used him to bring us all here to this place. we may never all agree on the why. or the part michael plays.  but i hope we have all learned that no matter what our difference we can all care about each other. i do hope that we can all find what we were intended to find here. you suggested we needed to have an open mind . that is true. as well as a open heart.

love you more
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AnaMarcia on August 21, 2010, 03:35:37 PM
All this is very sad ... but after 14 months of so much doubt and mystery, the trend is people going to give up. Life calls us and the weather can cools things.
We still have much hope of one day all this be showed ... but I think everyone here have times of frustration and hopelessness.
If Michael can see this, he may be disappointed, but maybe it is time for something decisive happen ... :oops:  :oops:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: whisper9396 on August 21, 2010, 03:44:17 PM
My dear! I'm not so long at this forum and am hard recently because of a language barrier. But your messages were always interesting to me. Simply I took the dictionary and translated your text. I have opened much with you.
I think that you will inhale life in the "man in the mirror". I hope that the new stage of your life (life out of a forum) will be even more fruitfull. I know that and will be. We will meet on that end of road from a yellow brick. ;)
Thanks for all.
sorry for mistakes.
With love.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Miss-Zazi95 on August 21, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
Why are you leaving ? I LOOOVE your posts !  :(
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: *Mo* on August 21, 2010, 04:55:52 PM

Goodbye posts belong in The Official Goodbye Thread: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11589 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11589)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Delphi on August 23, 2010, 07:53:26 PM
Alright, guys. I haven't been here in ages, and I've only met but a few of you. It's been a pleasure, truly, but this is getting depressing. I've done some really deep thinking over the course of not being here, and I've come to realize how much of a wild goose chase this has been, or at least, has GOTTEN to be. And I hope at least some of you come to understand where I'm coming from when I say that.
And believe me, at this point, I'd LOVE to be proven wrong.

No, I have not lost faith. No, I do not lack patience. I got what I came here for, and that's enough evidence to prove that Michael is alive. That isn't to say I'm not uncomfortable with the fact that he could be gone, though. However,I cannot sit here and decipher all the anonymous tips, the updates, and all the drama(ESPECIALLY the drama...Quite a few of you guys are outta this world)... I have no time to piece these things together anymore, sift through the controversies, and question the motives, agendas,  and credibility of the authorities and administrators of this forum. That's none of my business. It's come to the point where, none of that (especially the latter few) even matters to me.

 Do I care about MJ? Yes. I still listen to his music on a daily basis. And to have his music, is enough for me. For me, he does not have to return, because I think about everything he's already done for us, for the majority of his life.

I'll be expressing my care for this world by getting off the forums and getting active in causes to better it.
So, while I MAY lurk every once in a blue moon here, I say in advance, in case I decide to leave outright, farewell. You're all quite the investigators and it has truly been a pleasure.  I thank each and every one of you.  ;)

~Delphi~
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: chappie on August 27, 2010, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
I am writing this post to say goodbye to you all. I do so with a heavy heart but my time on these forums has come to an end. I do not write this for sympathy, to have anyone try to convince me to stay or for attention. Sometimes it is better to just walk away when you feel as frustrated as I find myself.

There are many wonderful people who are posting on these threads and I am glad that I have had the opportunity to share and discover with you all. I thank Souza & Mo for starting this forum in the first place and giving me the opportunity to voice my often controversial opinion.

I encourage you all to continue your investigations as I will continue my own privately. Personally, I have already discovered many of the answers that I require though I have been unable to share the depth of theses here on the forums. The one thing that I will suggest is that you to try to open your minds just a little bit more and consider new information that challenges what you may already beLIEve.

Michael is alive and this I have never doubted that for a second.

See you at the end of the yellow brick road, when the adventure ends with a BAM!

L.O.V.E. & Light
Pauline (aka Serenity)

[youtube:2j06i3mr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTWOwUich78[/youtube:2j06i3mr]

Chappie
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on August 27, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
Im never leaving and iam NEVER giving up either!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: rasyte on August 28, 2010, 06:38:25 AM
awww Serenitys... :cry:  :cry:  
we gonna miss you very much!!
I hope you ganna visit us some day!  :cry:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on August 28, 2010, 06:45:40 AM
Just saw this thread  :o

I read your posts yesterday, Pauline!

Good to know you are still around!;) I noticed you posted the goodbye on the 21st!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mykidsmum on September 02, 2010, 03:26:02 PM
Ok guys, it's been a long time coming... I'm saying goodbye.  I'm back in school and I have lots to do.  I'm sure I'll take a look once in a while.  Take care everyone!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: alovesmichael on September 02, 2010, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Ok guys, it's been a long time coming... I'm saying goodbye.  I'm back in school and I have lots to do.  I'm sure I'll take a look once in a while.  Take care everyone!

Please do post now and then. I think it's posts like yours that keep me coming back to this forum that and habit I guess. I know you think Michael is gone, I probably do too but I just can't let go... I guess that tiny tiny bit of hope makes things easier. I've enjoyed reading your posts and will miss them.

I wish you lots of luck and love.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on September 02, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Ok guys, it's been a long time coming... I'm saying goodbye.  I'm back in school and I have lots to do.  I'm sure I'll take a look once in a while.  Take care everyone!
I've always enjoyed reading your perspective on Michael and have learned lots from your posts. Hope school goes well for you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Miss-Zazi95 on September 02, 2010, 05:40:03 PM
I also agree with all yoy've previously written about MJ ! :) Please stay ! I have school too but I always find the time to come here :D
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 02, 2010, 11:34:08 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Ok guys, it's been a long time coming... I'm saying goodbye.  I'm back in school and I have lots to do.  I'm sure I'll take a look once in a while.  Take care everyone!

May God bless you and keep you safe. Blessings!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mjj_fan on September 07, 2010, 01:52:08 PM
@mykidsmom I am sad to see you leave , i really do , I wish i could send you pm like we did sometimes to let you know how much you will be missed . Please take care of yourself and all the very best in life ! My prayers are and will always be with you . God bless you .
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: chappie on September 07, 2010, 03:25:41 PM
[youtube:2zhp9uqs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oflj2xuZ-Dg[/youtube:2zhp9uqs]
Chappie  :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GreenManMakeAChange on September 14, 2010, 03:17:21 AM
you guys, I am officially done with this site but I'm glad to have met you all and hope you can find inner peace within, regardless of what you think the real deal is.

*joins in to sing bye bye bye*
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on September 16, 2010, 12:51:12 PM
Hi,

I think my time is over here also.  

Thanks to all the friends i made here.  Thanks to all the intelligent debates i have had with people.

Thanks for the support, the laughter and the tears.

Ive come a long way both intellectually and emotionally.

Its not over till its over, and i will continue to monitor but i wont be contributing anymore unless something really amazing comes up to the fore and convinces me to go back down this road.

The lawsuit Katherine is bringing is hard hitting and it comes from Katherine...  his beloved mother and grandmother of those children.  She is also a religious woman.  

One of the things that has hit me hard, is that Prince Michael was witness to the CPR attempts.  

Michael has mirrored my life in so many ways.  Childhood experiences which were bad for me became more tolerable when MJ spoke up and admitted he had suffered the same.  I knew i wasnt alone and that i had Michael by my side always.  If he can make it, then so can i.  I will never forget him for the strength and believe he has given me over the years.

I also witnessed my own father suffer a heart attack in front of me and go into cardiac arrest.  My brother and myself gave CPR.  It was a trauma that still affects me and i was an adult when this happened.  I can only imagine what Prince is going through.   Words can not describe what it is like to go through that.

I feel now that i am being disrespectful to both Michael and his family by continuing this.

Although it breaks my heart and i will never forget i must learn to let go of the hurt and pain and go forward.
I have travelled to Forest Lawn and said my goodbyes there and i have a bracelet i brought which i told myself i would put on once i was willing to accept Michaels death.  I am now putting that bracelet on. x

Things are amiss..  this looks like a murder cover up and corruption and lies.

I will monitor and stay abreast of the action, but will not be active now.

I owe it to Michael, to his family and to his children to have respect and look for justice.

God bless you all.  XXX
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: trublu on September 16, 2010, 12:56:17 PM
Bye DancingTheDream, it was nice to have had the opportunity to talk to you on some threads.

Stay strong.

Peace
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on September 16, 2010, 12:58:10 PM
God bless you, Dancingthedream. You have painful memories of your own, which would surely enter into your understanding of this all.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on September 16, 2010, 01:23:56 PM
I can understand so completely how you feel .

 yesterday when I read about Katherine's Lawsuit and Prince's Michael witnessing the CPR attempt, my heart just froze, and started pumping so fast at the same time, if that is possible.
And added to the memories of your own, I can understand how you feel exactly.
 
Yes,I admit,It is getting harder and harder to believe that Mike is still here with us, with all the new developments, but as you already know, everyone has to reach that point of no Return in believing MIke is gone for good, before acceptance follows.

I am still holding on for a bit longer, to see what may come up still, along with all the others, but , as for you..
May God go with you and  Bless you too!!!
Peace
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: jacilovesmichael on September 16, 2010, 01:32:22 PM
Goodbye to those leaving! Peace, Love, and Light to you all... I know you'll all be back eventually  ;)

Is it weird that the notion to leave the forum hasn't even crossed my mind?  Does that make me devoted or addicted?  :lol:

The best is yet to come, always.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mumof3 on September 16, 2010, 01:52:15 PM
Goodbye to you I understand I am teetering on the edge I am not sure what to do at the moment it feels like there is no hope and I have been a fool to even think it could be a hoax almost cruel of me it's just hard to understand. I am going to hang on for the moment just in case but I do so understand all of you it has been a long journey bless you all
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: alovesmichael on September 16, 2010, 02:36:40 PM
@ DancingTheDream

Thank you so much for all the hard work you've contributed with. I've always felt I was on the same page as you so reading your post really saddens me, not because you've accepted Michael's death (it's nice to see you getting somewhere in your heeling process) but because it feels like things are just slipping away...  :(  Idk, it's hard to explain but reading your post just made me very emotional. I'm almost completely certain that  Michael is not here with us anymore but I just can't seem to accept it  :cry: . I keep coming back here although I read many posts with a feeling of despair since deep down I know they're not realistic or completely out of context. Reading about things like Katherine's lawsuit, Prince and even Jermaine's show just fills me with sadness. I don't know if accepting "delusion" and hoping for miracles might be the easier way for me because this feeling of helplessness is really unbearable and it kind of makes the void in my heart bigger...

I'm happy for you Dancing, I'm happy that you're getting somewhere. I wish for you, lots of luck, love and joy.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: xxmjxx on September 16, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
DTD i just dont know what to say.xxx :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: tekamjforever on September 16, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
(DancingTheDdream), yes, I understand what you felt and feel, especially in the last two days because I also am influenced by my feelings and painful thoughts and negative, when something new is always directed to the fatal death of Michael, especially when it is the family - mother, Katherine, in particular. :cry:

Often there are questions to some of us why we are here if we have not yet 100% sure that Michael is alive. But I think it's understandable because all "evidence" and / or inconsistencies regarding the fateful day 25/06/09 are only guesses. As far as we seek definitive answers, it seems that the doubts are growing. :roll:  

Sometimes I tend to think that we do not want to see or believe the facts as they present themselves, ie the information we receive from the media, family, or anywhere, they are always considering that MJ really is dead. :?  :(

I do not know to what extent we will be able to walk in any direction from this "death", but I realize that some of us are more assertive than others, for the right moment to stop or continue the adventure. :|

Kisses!
:)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mumof3 on September 16, 2010, 03:31:25 PM
It is so sad we have all been through so much together over the past year but in the cold light of the day it just can't be a hoax after Reading the paper from mrs Jackson it is all to much I was always hoping it was a lesson to the world that he was preparing fir us  and we were all listening for him we all love him but a great injustice has been carried out and those that are to blame are going to have to live with it. We did this because nothing added up and we owed it to him and his children  it's a sad day sorry
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: *Mo* on September 16, 2010, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: "mumof3"
It is so sad we have all been through so much together over the past year but in the cold light of the day it just can't be a hoax after Reading the paper from mrs Jackson it is all to much I was always hoping it was a lesson to the world that he was preparing fir us  and we were all listening for him we all love him but a great injustice has been carried out and those that are to blame are going to have to live with it. We did this because nothing added up and we owed it to him and his children  it's a sad day sorry

You're losing faith because of this complaint..?  To be this is just the only option left for her after Joe filing that Wrongful Death Suit.  She didn't want to be named in Joe's complaint, so it would have been even more weird if she had not filed.  

Next to that - I'm not convinced that this is a legitimate complaint, as it lists Katherine as the Guardian at Litem of the kids, which she is not.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on September 16, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
Dancing the Dream... if you are done with this site... then what will happen to us? What are we supose to do now...  :cry:  :?  :cry:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on September 16, 2010, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
Dancing the Dream... if you are done with this site... then what will happen to us? What are we supose to do now...  :cry:  :?  :cry:

Find your own way and your own truth.  Its the only way.  xxxxx
Michael will always be by your side and guiding you.  I know he sees everyone and feels our love x

Thankyou to everyone that has commented on here.  Made me cry!  

I love you all and i wish you all the best.   Bye. xxx
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Loveneverfeltsogood on September 16, 2010, 04:39:13 PM
I'm going to miss you DTD, but i don't want to say goodbye so...see you!.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on September 16, 2010, 04:52:08 PM
I am so sorry, Michael :cry:   I am so sorry.

I cannot sit here and read through this and still convince myself that you are still here.  I want to, but my heart is telling me no, Michael is gone :cry:   It's sad and it's heart wrenching.  I am virtually balled up and on the floor reading what happened to Michael partially because it has been in the back of my mind that AEG and all those phony, shady characters were in Michael's life for one thing, to ruin him.  And got dammit they did :evil:

I am so fucking angry right now.  If I could be one thing at this moment, it would be a guided missile with its sight set on totally demolishing everyone who played a part in this conspiracy to kill Michael Jackson. My God, what is sacred anymore?

I've told myself from the start of this journey that if I ever left the investigation of the hoax I would work diligently towards fighting for Michael's justice.  I think it's time I started doing that now because there is no way that these people based solely on the fact that they have money and power, should get away with systematically killing and living off of the blood of Michael Jackson.  What did he ever do to deserve this?  

So for now, I'm just gonna bid my goodbyes to everyone here.  I really hope I'm leaving for the wrong reason and that miraculously the tides will turn.  I would be one of the happiest people in the world to be wrong.  But right now, I just cannot ignore what seems to be screaming at me.  He was murdered.  I've got to do my part what ever that might be.

Good luck to you all.  I pray that you are right and I am wrong.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: andy1andy2 on September 16, 2010, 05:38:52 PM
Hesouttamylife; I am sorry to hear that you are leaving you will be missed.  May God bless you and be with you on your new journey take care.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on September 16, 2010, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I am so sorry, Michael :cry:   I am so sorry.

I cannot sit here and read through this and still convince myself that you are still here.  I want to, but my heart is telling me no, Michael is gone :cry:   It's sad and it's heart wrenching.  I am virtually balled up and on the floor reading what happened to Michael partially because it has been in the back of my mind that AEG and all those phony, shady characters were in Michael's life for one thing, to ruin him.  And got dammit they did :evil:

I am so fucking angry right now.  If I could be one thing at this moment, it would be a guided missile with its sight set on totally demolishing everyone who played a part in this conspiracy to kill Michael Jackson. My God, what is sacred anymore?

I've told myself from the start of this journey that if I ever left the investigation of the hoax I would work diligently towards fighting for Michael's justice.  I think it's time I started doing that now because there is no way that these people based solely on the fact that they have money and power, should get away with systematically killing and living off of the blood of Michael Jackson.  What did he ever do to deserve this?  

So for now, I'm just gonna bid my goodbyes to everyone here.  I really hope I'm leaving for the wrong reason and that miraculously the tides will turn.  I would be one of the happiest people in the world to be wrong.  But right now, I just cannot ignore what seems to be screaming at me.  He was murdered.  I've got to do my part what ever that might be.

Good luck to you all.  I pray that you are right and I am wrong.

First I want to say that my comment isn't going to be directed at you only. I quoted your post because it was sincere and you stated how fucking angry you were at the people who murdered Michael.

Hmmm... IMAGINE for a second How ANGRY Michael is. He has ENDURED a LIFETIME Of SHIT.

I would like for people to watch this video from MYWHOISIT.
[youtube:1h8y670l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjJSGLxTnM[/youtube:1h8y670l]
Look At Michael... see him... and see How ANGRY he was/is.

That is him displaying a knife across the throat in his Hot Gold pants. lol
He flips off someone or many someones in his Scream video, he does it a few ways and he also jestures the knife across the throat.

Michael was NOT playin around when he jestured those THREATS.

He was dead serious on payBACK.
I am confidant that Michael out played, out smarted, and out scammed ( "death") his enemies.

I am very confidant that his enemies are getting their just deserved.
Do NOT underestimate "sweet" Mike.

Peace
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Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 16, 2010, 06:41:12 PM
First I want to say that my comment isn't going to be directed at you only. I quoted your post because it was sincere and you stated how fucking angry you were at the people who murdered Michael.

Hmmm... IMAGINE for a second How ANGRY Michael is. He has ENDURED a LIFETIME Of SHIT.

I would like for people to watch this video from MYWHOISIT.
[youtube:3aymnujd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjJSGLxTnM[/youtube:3aymnujd]
Look At Michael... see him... and see How ANGRY he was/is.

That is him displaying a knife across the throat in his Hot Gold pants. lol
He flips off someone or many someones in his Scream video, he does it a few ways and he also jestures the knife across the throat.

Michael was NOT playin around when he jestured those THREATS.

He was dead serious on payBACK.
I am confidant that Michael out played, out smarted, and out scammed ( "death") his enemies.

I am very confidant that his enemies are getting their just deserved.
Do NOT underestimate "sweet" Mike.

Peace
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DTD and hesouttamylife - I'm sorry to see that you've grown weary. I pray you will find strength in your journey and peace in your heart. I have felt torn at times but in the end I just can't walk away. In the meantime I am doing my part outside of the forum to stand up for Michael and to pray for him to be vindicated of the injustice he's been served for so many years.

Im_convincedmjalive - thanks for sharing this video. It was very interesting. I find Mywhoisit an interesting character anyway and I have yet to figured out their connection to Michael. I feel there is one. Blessings to you all.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MashMike on September 17, 2010, 12:34:26 AM
I'm almost heartbroken to see you 2 leaving, u were here for a  long time, and now this breaks my heart, i know it's hard to believe, day by day we are becoming more and more vunerable, sometimes i lose it too but smth keeps me here and says that this is not it yet, there's a hope, about Katherine-have you  thought of the possiblity that she is defending her son, it's a revenge by MJ, we already know that AEG didn't really care about Michael, he was supposed to do 10 shows but was cheated by them, there are so many people who are evils and wanted to manipulate Michael, the only thing they wanted from him was money, that's all, so maybe he was able to survive, to hoax the death and now Katherine , as aloving mother, is helping him to take a revenge.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: loma on September 17, 2010, 12:58:43 AM
Well said MashMike. :)

I haven't thought of leaving for a second. Why can't Katherine say a big "F*** YOU!" to AEG? I mean, they screwed Michael over, and in the process she's helping Murray's case.

It hurts to see you all go. :( It really does.
I hope you all get your thoughts sorted out.
May you find peace. (And get much needed rest! :lol: )
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MashMike on September 17, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
thank u Loma :) , i think they will be back, after resting for a while they will be back and go on with our investigation like some members did, we all are tired but IMO it's just a matter of time, the truth always prevails, keep the faith
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Stranger In Chi-town on September 17, 2010, 01:12:41 AM
Bye to those who are leaving. It's sad to see you go. I hope you come back to the site sometime in the future.  :) <33 :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: rasyte on September 19, 2010, 12:25:14 PM
I cant believe so many of you leaving this site  :shock:  :o    but  if you really wanna leave I wish all god luck.. I hope at the end you guys will be here with us celebrating Michael comeback..  ;)  
I LOVE you ALL, always ;)  already miss you ..
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on September 20, 2010, 05:20:14 AM
I'd like to see this thread renamed the official Never Can Say Goodbye thread. I've said farewell to many only to see them the next day in a new thread. And I'm glad for that. It's not an easy thing to walk away  mid hoax. I'm hoping  everyone else comes back after they've rested up. We'll be here waiting for you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mmz on September 20, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
I started on july 09 100% sure Michael was alive. Now,it is more then one year later,and I see 30 % he should be alive..I must be honest...I dreamt so many nights of him telling me he has passed.. I know..it is just dreams...but whenever I wake up,I feel destroyed. It is like if he wants me,us, let him go higher,while we are keeping his soul half way earth-sky..and that is not peace yet for him. Hope those are just nightmares...
I don't leave the forum, anyway.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Sangre on September 23, 2010, 10:26:42 AM
I, too, will be leaving this forum.

It's been a journey both in a positive and in a negative sense. Sadly, after all this research I've come to a conclusion. There's just nothing to be found.

Firstly, if Michael Jackson is alive I can't see him coming back. There must have been a reason why he wanted to be dead to the world and if so, be it.

I was very happy believing Michael could be alive, but I am having a hard time keeping up with the illusion that I've created in my mind. Of course, there are a lot of "clues" and a lot of controversy and nothing makes sense, but there is always controversy when it comes to conspiracies, celebrities or murders.

I want justice. I've been almost justifying actions and words of people who are actually doing nothing but taking advantage of it. Nothing can justify what they have done yet we've built a stage for those people!

I'm not giving up on MJ; I never have. I will continue to spread his message of tolerance and break boundaries that this narrow-minded society has set. I will continue to promote and celebrate the King of Pop's music and legacy. I will continue to Heal the World.

I wish I could prove myself wrong, I wish Michael was alive and well, I wish this and that...but I have to move on. I'm ready. Sooner or later, we all have to move on. Truth will prevail (no matter what the truth will be.)

MJ fan always and forever.

Goodbye!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: andy1andy2 on September 23, 2010, 07:27:57 PM
Sangre I am sorry that you are leaving I dont post much but I read everyday and I enjoyed your posts.I wish you the best in your venture to keep Michael's message alive. I will miss your posts Good luck and may God bless you. Goodbye   :(
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 23, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: "Sangre"
I, too, will be leaving this forum.

It's been a journey both in a positive and in a negative sense. Sadly, after all this research I've come to a conclusion. There's just nothing to be found.

Firstly, if Michael Jackson is alive I can't see him coming back. There must have been a reason why he wanted to be dead to the world and if so, be it.

I was very happy believing Michael could be alive, but I am having a hard time keeping up with the illusion that I've created in my mind. Of course, there are a lot of "clues" and a lot of controversy and nothing makes sense, but there is always controversy when it comes to conspiracies, celebrities or murders.

I want justice. I've been almost justifying actions and words of people who are actually doing nothing but taking advantage of it. Nothing can justify what they have done yet we've built a stage for those people!

I'm not giving up on MJ; I never have. I will continue to spread his message of tolerance and break boundaries that this narrow-minded society has set. I will continue to promote and celebrate the King of Pop's music and legacy. I will continue to Heal the World.

I wish I could prove myself wrong, I wish Michael was alive and well, I wish this and that...but I have to move on. I'm ready. Sooner or later, we all have to move on. Truth will prevail (no matter what the truth will be.)

MJ fan always and forever.

Goodbye!

God bless you for your contributions and for the indelible handprint that you've left on this forum and in our memories. For as long as this forum is up and running a part of your thoughts, desires, and hopes will remain locked up in the words of these threads. You will be missed but you will never be forgotten. Peace and blessings to you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on September 25, 2010, 06:47:16 AM
:o  :shock:

So much doom and gloom!  This was never going to be an easy journey,  :roll:

I still hold strong to my belief  ;)  I always said Im here till the end, and so far I have seen no fat lady sing. So it aint over!

Im sorry to see you all saying you are leaving, go and take a break, but Im sure you will all be there for MJ when the time comes.

Peace, Love and Light to you all.

Take care.

 :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: marte on September 28, 2010, 09:09:40 AM
We can say goodbye.  :|

It 'been more than a year after the death of Michael. Many people want us to believe that he is alive. Maybe he is alive and peaceful now. Many people want us to believe that he will return. We are free, after all this time, and reason to make a decision without conditions.
We can now say goodbye to this hoax. Every year someone tries to wake us to continue to believe, but you can not go on like this.
Those who, like me, it means just do it here.
We are not puppets. We fans love him and we want respect. :evil:
"This is Also it" does not need to give us more clues, it is sure of his thesis. :o
Hello Michael, I love you from the bottom of my heart, where you are living today. :oops:

Here is a list of disillusioned (we have the right to describe our disappointment).

1) Marte (from Italy)
....

...

...
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on September 28, 2010, 09:53:14 AM
God bless you, Marte, for your honesty. May you find peace in your journey. Blessings.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AnaMarcia on September 28, 2010, 10:02:01 AM
Yes, the big question here has always been that we deserve respect.
15 months have passed .... has made us believe that he's alive and coming back, but always throw in Twiter interviews and phrases like "rest in peace, brother," Michael now has no voice, we must fight for  him, AEG abused his health or the justice will prevail, "etc. .......
After all he was good or ill and addicted?
I feel a little weak after walking in this farce practical. All the latest news  to do believe that Michael was murdered, so I feel kind of ridiculous keeping that theory  Hoax.
I no longer believe 100% that Michael lives and if lives, it seems increasingly unlikely a triumphant return.
Maybe it's time to say goodbye ...
Sorry, but I'm really at a stage of disappointment ... Maybe one day I will improve, maybe :cry:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: tekamjforever on September 30, 2010, 04:04:41 AM
Guys,

Among my comings and goings, though certain that there was no contribution from me to you, it's time for me to leave again, and I think definitely. Should I move on, but with great regret, in view of my findings, I would say. Thanks for everything, love for our King, Michael Jackson, always!

Kisses.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: trustno1 on October 04, 2010, 06:41:26 AM
Sorry to see so many people leaving as I've only just joined and will never get to know you all.  There have been many lawsuits, court dates etc in all of this and who knows whether Katherine's latest action will go the distance or not.  I can't wrap my head around why she'd be okay with AEG handling the memorial, the movie etc if they were saying from the start the family believed he'd been worked to death and mistreated by AEG.  Is money the only motivating factor for even the Jackson family?  Surely that can't be.  Why announce the funeral was going to be private then broadcast it everywhere, this doesn't sound like the over-protective Grandma we were led to believe she is,nor the notion that she was unwilling to see MJs body as it would be too upsetting yet she let the little ones see him? So much doesn't add up so I'm going to hold on until I'm convinced I'm just deluding myself.  Which will probably be quite a while, I'm very stubborn ;)
It's sad that so many of us are leaving because there's been less new developments lately and less slip-ups by the family and because of this action brought by Katherine.  I'm open to every theory including the one that Michael is really gone but I won't blindly follow the media, I'll go with my own instincts. If we take all the evidence as a whole it's just too strong compared to the evidence to the contrary. Blessings and Good Luck to all of you who are going.  We're all MJ fans so we'll always be a community.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on November 14, 2010, 08:50:24 PM
Gotta go guys.  You are amazing and I will miss you.  Michael I love you more.  See you when you're ready. Until then, I know you're out there somewhere.  And you are here, right here always in my heart.

I'll check in sometimes.  Don't forget about me.  I'll never, ever forget about you.  Love you always. You're the best.

Michael Jackson: He's Outta My Life, but never outta my heart. :|
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 14, 2010, 08:52:08 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Gotta go guys.  You are amazing and I will miss you.  Michael I love you more.  See you when you're ready. Until then, I know you're out there somewhere.  And you are here, right here always in my heart.

I'll check in sometimes.  Don't forget about me.  I'll never, ever forget about you.  Love you always. You're the best.

Michael Jackson: He's Outta My Life, but never outta my heart. :|

awh, hesouttamylife i loved your posts!! :( i'll miss you!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: wishingstar on November 14, 2010, 09:35:30 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Gotta go guys.  You are amazing and I will miss you.  Michael I love you more.  See you when you're ready. Until then, I know you're out there somewhere.  And you are here, right here always in my heart.

I'll check in sometimes.  Don't forget about me.  I'll never, ever forget about you.  Love you always. You're the best.

Michael Jackson: He's Outta My Life, but never outta my heart. :|

Your posts and thoughts are fantastic.  I hope you check in and say hi! You will be missed for sure.  I wish you the very best with abundant blessings always!  
Thank you for all that you contributed here.....

Have a beautiful week!
Blessings Always,
Wishingstar
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJhasSpoken on November 20, 2010, 05:01:14 AM
Even if some of you think Michael's gone you can still stay, and just chat about whatever. I don't personally know you guys that are leaving but its sad. :cry:  Its like a family here and to see anyone here leave is kinda devastating. But I respect that you wanna leave and I hope you read up once in a while and when we get closer to the truth you will all come back and then we can have a thread called "The Michael Jackson hoax Investigators reunion", that would be pretty cool. :)

But I guess there is a time when some others who arent thinking of leaving now will leave, personally if nothing happens by the end of 2011 Im gone. :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJhasSpoken on November 20, 2010, 10:10:57 AM
I know I wrote that I will stay until 2011 but I just cant  :lol: , I still think MJ is alive though. Anyways how do I delete my account? It's been fun though.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on November 20, 2010, 10:19:48 AM
Out of interest...  how do you delete an account here????
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: *Mo* on November 21, 2010, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Out of interest...  how do you delete an account here????

Accounts will not be deleted.  If we'd do that, the posts from that account will be deleted as well, or appear under the name "guest".  That will screw up threads, and therefor we don't delete account.  

So, if one doesn't want to come here anymore, we will deactivate the account at the members request.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: paula-c on November 21, 2010, 07:04:43 PM
It's a shame that people decide to leave, .... I'm sure one day soon return, well that's what I hope, luck and blessings to all. ;)
I stayed til the end :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJhasSpoken on November 21, 2010, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
It's a shame that people decide to leave, .... I'm sure one day soon return, well that's what I hope, luck and blessings to all. ;)
I stayed til the end :lol:

You've pretty much convinced me to stay. :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on November 22, 2010, 09:40:00 AM
Paula! no nos vamos ni con agua hirviendoooooo  :lol:  :lol:

Here we stay till the end  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: cascademjs on January 06, 2011, 04:17:38 AM
k, my visit was short but long enough, at least i tried.
you only agree each other like insane people and when someone newbie has a different opinion you take it personal, like that shit BEC who told me to fuck off because he had no arguments anymore. are you 5  or this is the IQ of this forum?
You're also depressive and use "believe" without evidence like you're in some freaking sect.
I also question and doubt the possibility of him being dead but this forum is like a cult to you and the way you react to preach TS and all that weird numerology debates and " signs" everywhere guys, wtf.. this is weird.
And on top of that you have that superior attitude like you already know everything because you have been investigating for 18 months and you feel important and smart not like "stupid" blind unbelievers who are suffering,
but the truth is you've not nothin'. Man, what you doin' here...not healthy.

BYE BYE INSANE PEOPLE WHO ONLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJhasSpoken on January 06, 2011, 04:21:36 AM
Quote from: "cascademjs"
k, my visit was short but long enough, at least i tried.
you only agree each other like insane people and when someone newbie has a different opinion you take it personal, like that shit BEC who told me to fuck off because he had no arguments anymore. are you 5  or this is the IQ of this forum?
You're also depressive and use "believe" without evidence like you're in some freaking sect.
I also question and doubt the possibility of him being dead but this forum is like a cult to you and the way you react to preach TS and all that weird numerology debates and " signs" everywhere guys, wtf.. this is weird.
And on top of that you have that superior attitude like you already know everything because you have been investigating for 18 months and you feel important and smart not like "stupid" blind unbelievers who are suffering,
but the truth is you've not nothin'. Man, what you doin' here...not healthy.

BYE BYE INSANE PEOPLE WHO ONLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER

Plz don't leave...look at your messages. ;)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: paula-c on January 06, 2011, 06:22:11 AM
Cascademjs thank you for all these compliments and That is OK :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on January 06, 2011, 08:27:32 AM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  I LOVE IT  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I appreciate honesty  :D

Another Army just surfaced:
IP WOA WEO
INSANE PEOPLE WHO ONLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: m8ighty on January 06, 2011, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: "cascademjs"
k, my visit was short but long enough, at least i tried.
you only agree each other like insane people and when someone newbie has a different opinion you take it personal, like that shit BEC who told me to fuck off because he had no arguments anymore. are you 5  or this is the IQ of this forum?
You're also depressive and use "believe" without evidence like you're in some freaking sect.
I also question and doubt the possibility of him being dead but this forum is like a cult to you and the way you react to preach TS and all that weird numerology debates and " signs" everywhere guys, wtf.. this is weird.
And on top of that you have that superior attitude like you already know everything because you have been investigating for 18 months and you feel important and smart not like "stupid" blind unbelievers who are suffering,
but the truth is you've not nothin'. Man, what you doin' here...not healthy.

BYE BYE INSANE PEOPLE WHO ONLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER

lol im not leaving, but i couldnt agree more with cascademjs. There are a select few that your not aloud to argue your opinion or challenge their word at all. And when you do they react like they know everything for a FACT and then they try to make you look dumb, when really their opinions are  so biased that they are the ones that should be totally discredited. Then you got their followers that agree with absolutely everything they say without trying to figure it out for themselves.
The few people i speak of remind me of those delusional cult leaders that believe only what they want and blindly lead the few naive into damnation: The heavens Gate people, Jim Jones James Town, Charles Manson etc. Not on their level of insanity, but does remind me of how they ran things.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on January 06, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
Quote
by cascademjs » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:17 am
 my visit was short but long enough, at least i tried
no arguments anymore. are you 5 or this is the IQ of this forum?
You're also depressive and use "believe" without evidence like you're in some freaking sect.

I also question and doubt the possibility of him being dead but this forum is like a cult to you and the way you react to preach TS and all that weird numerology debates and " signs" everywhere guys, wtf.. this is weird.
And on top of that you have that superior attitude like you already know everything because you have been investigating for 18 months and you feel important and smart not like "stupid" blind unbelievers who are suffering,
but the truth is you've not nothin'. Man, what you doin' here...not healthy.

BYE BYE INSANE PEOPLE WHO ONLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER
cascademjs

God Bless you for speaking your mind.
Personally I could see what you are trying to express.
Unfortunately, some  fans do have put Michael in such unreasonably high pedestal IMO,  where he is not allowed to be a human being with faults and blemishes,a man who can do no wrong. :?

NO,sadly some really do seem to   rather worship him as as someone altogether out of this world.. a Saint, a Messiah a god even etc... :?
That sort of idol worship by those types of fans  I gather could not be very healthy IMO,for them as well as Mike himself IMO.
Yes, Mike was/is  an outstanding human in many of his endeavors,the best in his field no doubt, but  at the end of the day, most would agree, even Mike is/was  just  human just like all of us.
 
So, I can understand and feel what you are saying,that at times the atmosphere here may look a bit cultist,
but, luckily there are also   people here on this forum who are open minded and quite intelligent and  wish to keep a balance in their outlook about the hoax theories, and thereby  are able to  see various views and objectives without getting too emotional.
.
For that reason, and for the love of Mike , I wish you could stay and not leave, and  dialogue with the fans.

We are all here because of Mike, the man we all love and would like to find out what exactly happened to him on 6-25-09. :?:

So, pls do not take the attitude of some posters too personal as if it is directed at you personally .
 I do not believe it is at all. :)

It is just MJ fans we are known to be   really hard loving fans, and some do love Mike so much, I am willing to bet, they   can't  even see their own noses  lol.. :lol:


So, again ,I wish you could take things like that when they happen,  in stride and  reconsider to stay,
if not,...
God go with you .
Stay blessed
Peace.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: rowdyangel on January 06, 2011, 02:32:53 PM
I have to say that I am sitting on the fence now.  I can see things on both sides and I just can't be sure either way now.  From being 95/5 I think I am now 50/50.  I'm not going anywhere though.

XX
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 06, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
Quote from: "rowdyangel"
I have to say that I am sitting on the fence now.  I can see things on both sides and I just can't be sure either way now.  From being 95/5 I think I am now 50/50.  I'm not going anywhere though.

XX

Me too.  Always 50/50 - always said Im not a believer but a truth seeker. xxx
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on January 07, 2011, 10:59:51 AM
Quote from: "mmz"
I started on july 09 100% sure Michael was alive. Now,it is more then one year later,and I see 30 % he should be alive..I must be honest...I dreamt so many nights of him telling me he has passed.. I know..it is just dreams...but whenever I wake up,I feel destroyed. It is like if he wants me,us, let him go higher,while we are keeping his soul half way earth-sky..and that is not peace yet for him. Hope those are just nightmares...
I don't leave the forum, anyway.



I have had a couple of dreams which counter balance you negative dreams (by that I have had vivid alive dreams), so dont worry, just wait it out and lets see what happens.


 :P   Love to you xxx
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: rowdyangel on January 07, 2011, 01:44:14 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "rowdyangel"
I have to say that I am sitting on the fence now.  I can see things on both sides and I just can't be sure either way now.  From being 95/5 I think I am now 50/50.  I'm not going anywhere though.

XX

Me too.  Always 50/50 - always said Im not a believer but a truth seeker. xxx

That is a perfect way to describe it, a Truth Seeker!  Perfect!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: nefari on January 07, 2011, 01:51:28 PM
cascademjs wrote:
And on top of that you have that superior attitude like you already know everything because you have been investigating for 18 months and you feel important and smart not like "stupid" blind unbelievers who are suffering,
but the truth is you've not nothin'. Man, what you doin' here...not healthy.
BYE BYE INSANE PEOPLE WHO ONLY AGREE WITH EACH OTHER
**********
It's your right to go your merry way and it is my right to agree with who or what I want and I couldn't care less who blows a fuse about my opinions and if you suggest that beLIEvers do not suffer then you are blind and I truly feel sorry for you. I'm not here to bow down and kiss anyone's posterior honestly. I do what is right for me just as you want to leave. Bye Bye.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GirlSaturday on January 07, 2011, 07:13:24 PM
I like "truth seeker" too. It's a perfect term for either side: believers or non-believers. Afterall, the truth shall prevail.

BTW - could those individuals who choose to leave please do so without taking parting shots and jabs at the entire group? It's so wrong.  


Quote from: "rowdyangel"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "rowdyangel"
I have to say that I am sitting on the fence now.  I can see things on both sides and I just can't be sure either way now.  From being 95/5 I think I am now 50/50.  I'm not going anywhere though.

XX

Me too.  Always 50/50 - always said Im not a believer but a truth seeker. xxx

That is a perfect way to describe it, a Truth Seeker!  Perfect!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: puremind on January 10, 2011, 12:21:39 PM
Don't know if anyone cares, but goodbye. I'm happy i joined your forum because now i don't believe in Michael's return anymore. This can't happen in a legal way, i am sure about it and for me this is a very strong argument.
And bringing into light legal issues about Michael makes me uncomfortable and  selfish. If someone can delete my messages, please do so. I am sorry, Michael. Be safe and take care. I will not burden you anymore.
I love you
:(
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 10, 2011, 06:04:12 PM
Quote from: "puremind"
Don't know if anyone cares, but goodbye. I'm happy i joined your forum because now i don't believe in Michael's return anymore. This can't happen in a legal way, i am sure about it and for me this is a very strong argument.
And bringing into light legal issues about Michael makes me uncomfortable and  selfish. If someone can delete my messages, please do so. I am sorry, Michael. Be safe and take care. I will not burden you anymore.
I love you
:(

Puremind, I respect your decision, but you were not a burden to us at all!! ;) :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: alovesmichael on January 15, 2011, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "rowdyangel"
I have to say that I am sitting on the fence now.  I can see things on both sides and I just can't be sure either way now.  From being 95/5 I think I am now 50/50.  I'm not going anywhere though.

XX

Me too.  Always 50/50 - always said Im not a believer but a truth seeker. xxx

I don't visit this forum that much anymore but it's nice to see u here Dancing! I thought you'd left. Does that mean there's something that still makes you doubt that Michael's gone? If so I'm really curious to know what it is...

I also agree with cascademjs and M8ighty but I never bother to comment on those things too much, cuz it won't change people's ways anyway. And I guess people just deal with the question marks in different ways.
Lots of Love to all of you though  :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on January 15, 2011, 02:29:04 PM
You could say a lot of things about all kinds of people's theories. The Messiah one is just that, a theory. Who here knows everything about MJ and what he's up to? Then why bash someone's theory as if one theory is more ridiculous than another's. I resent/resemble that remark. Some degrade Michael and some uplift him. My comments have mostly come from MJ's own material, so take your criticisms to him directly. Everyone here should be free to express their gut feelings, so long as it doesn not tear MJ or others down. Respectfully.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PJ4MJ on February 19, 2011, 11:44:04 AM
I'm leaving.

It has nothing to do with Michael.  Since I came to believe in the hoax in June 2010, I've only had one very bad day several months back where I questioned him being alive.

I simply cannot stay after watching Souza ban Serenitys_Dream.  Other people have been banned (deactivated...whatever), I know, but SD was the final straw.  The way Souza just arbitrarily dispatched a long standing and widely respected member with almost 3000 posts of enlightening hoax information and connections really just sickens me. (And yes, I read the thread on .net and still don't see any evidence of gossiping or back stabbing.)  I said it in the Wonderwall thread:  Souza let her emotions and admin rights get the best of her. In fact, upon further reflection, I say she abused her admin rights and acted like a dictator.  And what a foolish, wasteful thing she's done.  This forum and the hoax will suffer greatly for it.

This morning I also read Mo's twitter about this site's recent hacking.  I have no way of knowing if everything she says is true or not, but just the possibility is enough to set alarm bells off in my head.  I totally missed the site being down and happened to log in about an hour after it came back up.  Of course I wondered what happened.  I would think every member here would, but all Souza stated was:

"There are people claiming to know all about this hack and many different stories are floating around, but I don't feel like addressing any of them if you don't mind."

Actually, come to think of it, I DO mind.  Souza's the only admin on this site and as such, she should inform the members as to exactly what happened.  Since we all fancy ourselves investigators here, ask yourself this:  Why not tell exactly what happened?  Because it's not relevent to the hoax?  Seriously!  Her silence opens the door for people to believe all the other "stories" about the hacking, and also allows Souza to feel personally attacked if somebody asserts she has some culpability in it taking place.  Mo mentions a software vulnerability that was fixed with the updated version.  If that's the case, there's certainly no threat of a repeat hacking by telling the members THAT much.  And guess what, Souza?  Saying what I just said does not constitute a personal attack against you.  It's a hypothesis - one that you can easily dismiss with information you possess.

I'm not the first person to leave because of Souza, and I doubt I'll be the last.  All it will take is another member to piss her off and, as with SD, she'll declare "You are out" and immediately deactivate the account.  No doubt many will feel differently until it happens to them, someone they respect, or they realize just how quickly one can go from being a valued member to being silenced.

Some people will think these are stupid reasons to leave the forum and that I'm losing sight of Michael, the real reason we're all here.  I respectfully disagree, and Michael continues to be in my thoughts and prayers.  I will continue my investigation.  I just cannot feel good about this particular site anymore or the person running it, and I cannot stand by and quietly accept what happened to SD, who contributed so much to Michael's hoax.

To those who have befriended me:  I may not have posted much or often but you made me feel like a valued voice.  To those who don't know me, don't care, or respectfully disagree with my choice:  I wish you the best in your quest for truth - and sincerely hope you one day find it.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: anewfan on February 19, 2011, 12:07:52 PM
@PJ4MJ...good luck to you....and thank you for this post.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: lynnandsofee on February 19, 2011, 12:35:48 PM
I don't think it will ever be found, because the truth is right in front of us. :(  :(  :(
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on February 19, 2011, 02:27:58 PM
@by PJ4MJ » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:44 am
Wholaa ...I must have been snoozing, never heard that SD is banned off forum.  :o

Gee,it is quite true, that I believe ,  no one on this thread has ever gone head to head with SD and  disagreed and fussed with her on so many different topics and occasion,  more than I did ,LOl, :roll: ,
...
 but no matter what though , I always sincerely did appreciate all her hard work she had done regarding the hoax, and  persistently presented and shared her views with all readers/posters here on this forum.

No doubt in my mind , imo. ,and I do agree with you, PJ4MJ,  that banning people like SD, is liable to hurt rather than help this forum, especially if one of the stated goals by admin is to keep on attracting more and more people to this forum.
 A good reputation/PR etc. about the administration of the site itself ,  I believe is also, very important, and  worth it's weight in gold imo..

The quality of the forum /content itself, is one mode of attraction to really make people want to join and dialogue with other intelligent people here.
So though SD may have counted me as her "enemy",lol, I am here to say, she will be missed, and I mean that from my  heart.  
As for the reason you mentioned here, why you wish to leave the forum,  I must say I can not honestly
 disagree with you. It is very true,  as far as I can see also ,that there  are not many people that I know of here on this forum,  that worked as hard as SD did on this hoax , and therefore,perhaps,
 a deep  appreciation of SD's input toward this hoax question in general,and as a whole,  could   have saved the day, in regards to the banning option Souza made?.

Well, I don't own this forum and I am not the admin, so this is just my own view on this matter.
 
But, it is clear to me, If SD with all her hard work , got banned, for whatever reason, who could be said to be safe then in this environment ? :?
 
Well, if the atmosphere here becomes too  stifling for members of this forum to dialogue freely and  respectfully,  It may finally  come down to either,
 Get banned or leave on your own, which ever one comes first I guess LOL. ;)

 I hope it does not get to that level with Souza hacking and banning long time members, and other  people leaving in support of the ban as you are doing here.
 
So,I do not like for you to leave,  I would like to say to you, that, I perfectly understand your reasoning behind it though,even I don't know wht happened with SD and Souza..

I feel, that , the more older and well regarded members vanish from this forum, I admit, that, it can get more and more harder to even make time  and log in on this forum, to dialogue with more newer members of this forum, with whom one has to start establishing rapport not knowing their mind nor attitude nor aptitude and so on.
And that sort of thing , imo., sometimes, seems like more work than it is worth, and the fun of it all too more and more recedes to the background, especially so, imo. if debate and free expression among the members is not encouraged, or worse,if an atmosphere of fear suddenly pops up in the whole picture etc .

Well,said enough, I just want to  wish you the best,PJ4MJ.
 And
 @SD ..if you by chance read here, I hope you get a chance to come back to this hoax forum, there is no denying,  to which you have dedicated a lot of your valuable time, and have  contributed untold numbers of good and even  excellent information about the hoax.
I say that only , if  that is really even your wish to do so,since I don't know what really happened, and if such a thing is at all possible, and it could all be ironed out somehow, but if that should not happen, I want you to know, no hard feelings here,for what ever transpired btw. me and you,  and I wish you all the luck in the world.

Remember to keep on doing your thing no matter what, and don't let anyone ever stop you from doing what you wish to do, and remember this is just one venue/forum for the hoax you got banned from,for whatever reason, but the world, thank God, is a bit larger than that. :)
.@PJ4MJ..the same goes for you,
and go in Peace. :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Dancer on February 19, 2011, 05:04:11 PM
I haven't heard exactly what happened, but: It makes me very sad that Serenity is banned.  :( She's a great investigator.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on February 19, 2011, 05:21:18 PM
I don't like the situation when people say that Souza did that and that. I think she knows best what she's doing : and I think that some lost their beliefs ...lost their interest...and they start to mix things and blame on others....Goodbye to the ones that decided to go : have a clear mind over everything.
I believe that Michael will never come back : but still i love to join the forum and to read people's opinions ..if some have a different one i don't mind...i read and go on with life...we cannot change minds. that's all i felt to say here..sorry for interfering !
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RunFaYaLife on February 19, 2011, 07:03:19 PM
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I simply cannot stay after watching Souza ban Serenitys_Dream

No dog in this fight or discussion ...All I have to add to this is

 Serenitys_Dream asked that her account be deactivated in the thread.

 just to keeping it real.

Mebbe when she cools off or whatever...she will asked to be reactivated?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on February 20, 2011, 03:53:38 AM
Supervision, those are very positive kind words you've said for your debating opposition, SD. Perhaps this could be a trend that will continue for others.

I truly do hope that as emotions cool and calm down, that Souza and Serenitys_Dream could come to a peace settlement of mutual respect. I really don't think any of the rest of us wants to have to choose sides. There's no question in my mind that SD's going is one of the biggest losses to this forum. We all have buttons that can be pushed and we get defensive and lash out. All I want here is to continue to explore the ripples around Michael Jackson's life and death hoax, and understand the mysteries around him. I also come here for the wonderful people here, sharing bits of their lives, whether sad, happy or funny. I hope that no one would ever be afraid to post things or theories, for fear others will ridicule, or if they are truly upset about something that they can respectfully confront or bare their heart without fear of being banned, or ask questions that might make them feel ignorant.

Souza, I respectfully ask that she be reactivated. Is this possible? Perhaps the deactivation was meant to only be temporary for emotions to restore. IDK. Thank you for your consideration of this. And I know that she also has to choose whether to even come back here. I'm sure you both have legitimate reasons and feel justified for doing what you did.

I wonder if TS being very quiet is related to this.

PJ4MJ, I wish the best for you.  I do hope you'll come back eventually.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Grace on February 20, 2011, 04:53:00 AM
There's much hurt involved that needs healing since quite some time.
I am praying for some hands to reach out.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on February 21, 2011, 12:59:42 AM
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by MJonmind » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:53 am
Supervision, those are very positive kind words you've said for your debating opposition, SD.
Perhaps this could be a trend that will continue for others.
 I truly do hope that as emotions cool and calm down, that Souza and Serenitys_Dream could come to a peace settlement of mutual respect. I really don't think any of the rest of us wants to have to choose sides.
There's no question in my mind that SD's going is one of the biggest losses to this forum.

Souza, I respectfully ask that she be reactivated.

 Is this possible? Perhaps the deactivation was meant to only be temporary for emotions to restore. IDK. Thank you for your consideration of this.

Thank you too   MJonmind , but, it is true, that none of us here are fabricating anything when we say to Souza we all know how hard SD worked the Hoax, and SD being deactivated or whatever,  is no doubt  a big loss for the forum as a whole.

So as far as I am concerned,   debates and even heated  disagreements, such as may have happened with SD and Souza,or with among us members too over topics and issues etc., should never ever be allowed to  cloud up our objectivity, where we see so much red, and go boom boom boom imo.

MIke and the work should take precedence if, and whenever at all possible, and based on that reasoning I have posted my views to Souza as follow up, in the thread  Visions from Michael..

well, just in case you (all here) missed reading my post there,. I am asking all  our posters to speak to Souza in support SD return, just like you did here, if they feel and agree that it should be so, and if SD herself should also agree and wishes to return.

 Some posted here to  say that SD left on her own. So, idk about that one. but if it true, that it is  Souza that cut her off, then that the issue at hand we are speaking of..

Anyway,I really believe, it is never wrong nor to late, to initiate peace, and all members here imo. would benefit too as would Souza herself as admin imo., if we can all feel free to open up a dialogue with Souza in such instances, and whenever appropriate, as this situation with SD, may be thought of an example, to all who may agree on this point.

Anyway here is the link below...
link for my post at VFM
i.e. petition SD reactivation of user acct
. ..pls click and read if interested in this subject and we hope to hear from you if you do agree .

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11589&start=100 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=11589&start=100)
Peace.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: anewfan on February 21, 2011, 06:20:08 PM
I would like to see Serenity's Dream back.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on February 21, 2011, 06:27:46 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
There's much hurt involved that needs healing since quite some time.
I am praying for some hands to reach out.

Same here
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Dancer on February 21, 2011, 06:41:25 PM
It would be great to see Serenity posting again here, I very much enjoyed reading her postings and she did a lot of hard work on investigating.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 21, 2011, 06:51:16 PM
Last time addressing this, because I guess my previous requests are being ignored.

SD left herself and I deactivated her account because she was ranting behind my back on other platforms than this website. Maybe some of you aren't aware of it, but I have a lot of people attacking me on Twitter, blogs and what else. What SD did, is fueling this kind of hate. She could have send me an e-mail or kept it on here, instead of spreading it on the net. It's wrong and therefore I have absolutely no intention to reactivate her account. If she wants to come back herself, she knows where to find me to discuss this.

Although I don't give a shit about what people think and about their ignorant and hateful attacks, I do not appreciate it if members from here fuel it.

Just to give you a taste of what people ae throwing at me because of the magazine:

#MJ fans boycott @souza81

@souza81 Has anyone told you how much MJ hated Tabloid Media Trash? Well in my eyes that's what you are or even worse a Media Trash RAT!!!!

I think everyone that is against @souza81 going to the Tabloids again should speak up and tell her how you feel,dont just be mad speak up!!!

I am sorry but I am not going to support or defend @souza81 going to the Tabloids again to line her pockets and we are left with the mess!!!

SHES ON FIRE... I RECON ITS A GOOD THING.. This dutchie needs to pipe down AND put the pipe down.

Hey @souza81, why do you keep raping hoaxers? Have you no shame?

.@souza81 You really don't give a rat's ass about Mr. Jackson, do you? If you did you wouldn't run to the tabloids.

.@souza81 Stop trying to ride off of MJ's coattails and making a quick buck off his name! Karma can be a bitch.

stop this egomanic @souza81 from running to the tabloids!

stand against the BS people, stand up for MICHAEL JACKSON AND STOP THIS WENCH @souza81 from going to the tabloids again !!!!

It's you against all of us @souza81.Guess who wins in the end!Give it up,you screwed up,go home and never come back again.

Listen up MJFam!It's time to let @souza81 know that her shit will not be tolerated no more.Will you let her drag MJ to the tabloids?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on February 21, 2011, 07:23:38 PM
What´s happening to people? This hoax is getting the worst out of every 1   :|

Seeing this issues going so far and taken so serious is a fact to me that something is not right. IDK if could be too much of free time, or lack of contact with the outer world, the trial coming soon or extreme, too extreme, love for Michael but I confess that is beyond my understanding   :|

I should be very unrealistic thinking that being nice does not cost a thing  :| Harrasement everywhere and the nerves being on the surface, egos clashing and words spoken over and over repeating the same pattern over the months.

I respect everyone decisions, even if I agree or not with it but honestly, I believe that the key is to stay united and in peace. We all have one goal; to know the truth, and the way towards it should be the less painful and dramatic as possible for everyones sake.

Love to everyone and hope the waters calm down asap. All of you are worth and valuable.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 21, 2011, 07:39:55 PM
Souza, don't worry, most, if not all of us are on your side, including TS the NUMBER ONE hoax informer, and I'm sure Michael's on your side too. We don't need them. ;)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: anewfan on February 21, 2011, 07:47:13 PM
We really shouldn't be on anyone's "side" except for MJ's! Go Team MJ!!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on February 21, 2011, 07:50:29 PM
Well I mean in this situation we're in, I'm on Souza's side. In the whole hoax, of course I'm on MJ's side though ;)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on February 21, 2011, 08:18:30 PM
We members can choose to take time out when we need to refresh and bring some balance to our lives, but Souza has the responsibility of the site and it is not so easy for her to do that.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RunFaYaLife on February 22, 2011, 12:15:31 AM
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Just to give you a taste of what people ae throwing at me because of the magazine:

#MJ fans boycott @souza81

@souza81 Has anyone told you how much MJ hated Tabloid Media Trash? Well in my eyes that's what you are or even worse a Media Trash RAT!!!!

I think everyone that is against @souza81 going to the Tabloids again should speak up and tell her how you feel,dont just be mad speak up!!!

I am sorry but I am not going to support or defend @souza81 going to the Tabloids again to line her pockets and we are left with the mess!!!

SHES ON FIRE... I RECON ITS A GOOD THING.. This dutchie needs to pipe down AND put the pipe down.

Hey @souza81, why do you keep raping hoaxers? Have you no shame?

.@souza81 You really don't give a rat's ass about Mr. Jackson, do you? If you did you wouldn't run to the tabloids.

.@souza81 Stop trying to ride off of MJ's coattails and making a quick buck off his name! Karma can be a bitch.

stop this egomanic @souza81 from running to the tabloids!

stand against the BS people, stand up for MICHAEL JACKSON AND STOP THIS WENCH @souza81 from going to the tabloids again !!!!

It's you against all of us @souza81.Guess who wins in the end!Give it up,you screwed up,go home and never come back again.

Listen up MJFam!It's time to let @souza81 know that her shit will not be tolerated no more.Will you let her drag MJ to the tabloids?

DAYUM!
Glad I'm not into twitter OR facebook...... That is beyond childish!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on February 22, 2011, 01:41:13 AM
O.k. Souza, I have to admit, that I understand a lot better now, after reading your post,  what you are really going through, as I also have come to understand as well from your post, that SD, you mention here did leave the forum herself. :?  

Well, I could picture that happening quite easily, since I know very well, that Serenity has left the forum many times before,when she had gotten very angry over issues etc.,  so maybe, this time too,  she may cool off and decide to come back and rejoin us here once again.

 I certainly hope that would be the case, for all concerned,including MJ, if he is out there somewhere lol.

I feel this forum is a much more organized venue for the type of work SD was doing on MJ's hoax investigation, and she herself had told me that before, if I recollect right.
 
So, if that is true what you are saying here in your post, that SD left on her own etc., and I do not think you have a reason to lie to us, then,...
 there is nothing stopping SD anymore,I now believe, to perhaps  have a change of heart and come back here, if she so chooses to do so, ,
provided you both work out the issues, which I have confidence in both of you, that you really could do that for MJ's sake if not for anything else.

MJ should be the starting and ending meeting point always.imo.

But as to what these other "fans" are talking about, I would not let that bother me too much, if I were you,if you really believe, within yourself, what you are trying to do on behalf of MJ and his hoax etc.,  is intended to achieve a positive result, and is truly meant by you, for edification and not exploitation.

 Only you can answer that question to yourself, since I believe ,you need not really have to answer it to anyone else at all,

re: this writing project, just as long as you do not infringe on someone's intellectual property rights etc.which I know already you know all of that, re the material posted here etc. or even talking your own opinions about  about MJ himself and his hoax etc., lol. ..

 personally I feel you got every right, as anyone at all in this world, to do what ever it is you wish to do, including writing a book even, if that is what you wished to do.

 That option is open to all
, so all other talk like what the fans are doing against you then, is nothing more than hot air, and prolly based on nothing more than, a lot of hate and jealousy imo. which you should not even bother to take into account imo.
..
Rhinoceros skin, as MJ used to say lol.

Ask yourself, just why are these sort of  fans, not out there saying things like that about Pearl Jr. ,and her publication I wonder?

 well, it is possible, that they know, that the woman is not going to take their B.S. and don't give a S..what they got to say at all.

 all MJ fans, they and us, all  should perhaps try to understand, they all  can do their thing and let you and all others also do their thing,even if you yourself are not a fan, you still got your own individual rights to choose to do what ever.
 wellll...in  a perfect world I got to add here. LOL. :roll:

@SD if you are reading here, you know we are trying to get you back here, if that is also your wish to do so,  and, as you read here yourself,  Souza seems a lot more open to that idea than I ever thought possible.

So,   as far as our  own little effort goes ,i.e., speaking out on your behalf,to Souza here, we seem to have arrived  at the point, that leaves us all with the hope, that we once again will see your inputs grace our pages with all the good work that you do for MJ and his hoax.  :)

I am almost certain, that talk like this, coming from me Supervision, your old nemesis, has really  got to take the cake,lol,  and prolly sound very funny  in your ears too. , but nevertheless, it is quite  true what I say, that you are missed here, and you should really give it a serious thought about rejoining us here once again..

I also humbly  ask you pls. to initiate a  dialogue with Souza,since I do believe, that nothing is ever totally lost, and it is just a huge misunderstanding btw. you two,really, over something that has not even happened yet (the mag I mean?).

perhaps, who knows, you both can find a way to work together to break this hoax wide open,  if you could actually get together join your forces, and be united,  on all this type of  efforts such as Souza stated initially re: the mag article etc.

and we all know where there is a will, there is always a way, and I am sure you guys for sure will find it, if you are willing to bring your best cooperative spirit and leave all other negativity way behind...

SD, as you read, I and my fellow members feel, and  believe,that this  is you home ,
..so we are waiting for your return. :)
Now it is Your move,... :)
 
Quote
@Souza, thank you again, for the clarification of the issue at hand ,and opening a door a gap for peace, we  really applaud your very positive stance at this point, regardless of how you may feel personally about what happened with you and SD.
and no,pls. do not be discouraged by this sort of shameful hate campaign.
Take them all by the smooth handle.and keep on doing your thing...  :)


just my 2cents.
Peace.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Lovely One on February 22, 2011, 02:03:21 AM
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
Quote
Just to give you a taste of what people ae throwing at me because of the magazine:

#MJ fans boycott @souza81

@souza81 Has anyone told you how much MJ hated Tabloid Media Trash? Well in my eyes that's what you are or even worse a Media Trash RAT!!!!

I think everyone that is against @souza81 going to the Tabloids again should speak up and tell her how you feel,dont just be mad speak up!!!

I am sorry but I am not going to support or defend @souza81 going to the Tabloids again to line her pockets and we are left with the mess!!!

SHES ON FIRE... I RECON ITS A GOOD THING.. This dutchie needs to pipe down AND put the pipe down.

Hey @souza81, why do you keep raping hoaxers? Have you no shame?

.@souza81 You really don't give a rat's ass about Mr. Jackson, do you? If you did you wouldn't run to the tabloids.

.@souza81 Stop trying to ride off of MJ's coattails and making a quick buck off his name! Karma can be a bitch.

stop this egomanic @souza81 from running to the tabloids!

stand against the BS people, stand up for MICHAEL JACKSON AND STOP THIS WENCH @souza81 from going to the tabloids again !!!!

It's you against all of us @souza81.Guess who wins in the end!Give it up,you screwed up,go home and never come back again.

Listen up MJFam!It's time to let @souza81 know that her shit will not be tolerated no more.Will you let her drag MJ to the tabloids?

DAYUM!
Glad I'm not into twitter OR facebook...... That is beyond childish!

I agree. This is beyond childish.  They didn't even stop to get the facts. This magazine was not going to be
like a popular tabloid grocery magazine. At best, this magazine may be popular with a certain type of
crowd. I would like to tell these people that maybe Michael would be ashamed at them for attacking Souza
the way they did.  WAY OVERBLOWN!!   Most of these people are probably just mad that at one time they
were banned from this forum! Looks like they are just looking for any reason to attack!

It takes alot to be a moderator and even MORE to be an ADMINISTRATOR of a site. Lets not forget that Souza
 has given a huge part of her life to keep this forum running for everyone.
Also, this "Lining the pockets" crap is pure BS! These people are making huge speculations! :x
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Supervision on February 22, 2011, 02:10:33 AM
Fellow members,all of you, who would like to see Serenity come back pls. keep posting here to let her know what you feel, if it makes a difference.

Personally,and I give God the credit, I am very happy to see such progress in such a very short time :)
And who knows, really, probably all this may have been avoided from the start, if some cooler heads had intervened,when all this jumped btw. these two ladies, well I for one was snoozing,lol, and was not even  present to give my views, at the time this friction went down. :roll:  

 But better late than never, and here we all are,  and by the GRACE of God all is well that ends well ;) .  :)

Anyway thank you all for your kind post,
 re: Reactivation of SD's account,

 "There is nothing that can't be done..... ..
....well you all know the rest,
and,...
God bless MJ for setting an excellent example... :)  

And what say you all, we give Souza a big hug and applause to cheer her spirit and laud her positive intimation towards peace with SD and their issues...  :)
peace.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: 2good2btrue on February 22, 2011, 04:07:57 AM
This forum is getting too much for me...

I used to come here to talk to people from different parts of the world, who had a common goal.

Now it seems that this place has become a forum of hate and jealousy, and selfishness, and this makes me really sad.

Why would Michael want to come back to this.??

I don't come here often anymore, and I've kept my nose out of everything, because I am here to investigate the hoax death of MJ, nothing else.

I hope you all chill out and stick to the motive for this forum.
God Bless you all, and I hope you all find peace in your hearts....

I have more important things to worry about, and there are some real major issues going on in the real world.  Good luck
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: paula-c on February 22, 2011, 06:59:47 AM
Just want to say that I'd like that all these differences are exceeded.
There is something which annoys me greatly and is people hiding in the anonymity to insult, slander and insulting, I believe that when one post something, you must have a social responsibility that can destroy someone is that they are never going to give the face, but feel very very women or men that after a nick insult others.
Which covered in cobardia of anonymity and the pseudonym offend and insult.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on February 23, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
I did say before in this thread http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t4157-tiai-february-9 (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t4157-tiai-february-9) when we were temporarily moved to the hide out,  The Bat Cave  8-) lol
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Indahood wrote:
It isn't always easy (even if it is over the net) because at the end of the day we still all are human beings on the other side of the moniter. Even the trolls have feelings.

That is one thing I try to remember the most when I begin to get frustrated at the nonsense I see (myself included). I have grown tremendously in my character; to try and be a better person even to those I don't like. I have tried my hardest to keep the love focus at all times. That aint always easy because once again we are human, we have feelings and we are all flawed.

The past year has been a gearing up of the battle that will come and this isn't a flesh battle persay; no guns or people getting physically hurt but alot of feelings will be on the chopping block.

Now would be a good time for those with sensitive souls and those who are easily intimitated to get tough because the Revolution is coming and we wont take no sheeet from the boogey man.
Basically it boils down to NOW would be a good time for everyone to get tough. I meant tough emotionally or else this is what happens:

you end up leaving the forum over hurt feelings and some saying good bye more than once in this thread, lmao.

This incident with Serenity and Souza is not a tragety. This forum will survive and go on without Serenity here. The hoax will cont. It is my opinion that those who are quick to defend Serenity aren't aware of the whole picture. If you were there for over a year watching the two of them interact (like I have), you would know that Serenity has threatened to take her work elsewhere on more than one occasion.

 I gave Serenity the benefit of doubt for almost a year. I watched her attitude on this forum for almost a year. I started to loose respect for her as a person because IMO she turned from one person in the beg. to downright jealousies of not being noticed, to not knowing if this is a hoax after investigating for a year herself, and the threats to take her work elsewhere...to the backstabbbing she did recently.

Yes I say it was backstabbing. I am not down with what she has done. This is a tantrum on Serenity's part. Souza as admin of this site does have authority of who stays and who goes, and as a person she has a limit of crap she will eat before she says enough.

For those who think Serenity being gone will impact the site because she was such a great investigator and her work will be missed, the forum is the way it is because of her work, time invested, blah blah blah.

Have any of you stopped to realize that many members here made huge contributions?

 The issue is some people or messengers are more likeable to follow. I have posted theories and MJonmind has posted theories that overlap Serenity's stuff. There are alternative theories that run parrallel to the christian theme.
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Besides that Michael said we can't leave! Too late now your all his guests hee hee

This video is very interesting. Pay attention to some of the wording between the mayor (IMO is Tom Snake Sneddon) and Michael. There are pieces of clues as to what was actually being said. The boys hint at something Michael does and the one boy says it is a secret and slaps the other one. The mom slaps her son and then gets slapped too by a ghost!  :shock:

So then Michael's turn to play games...

I lmao at his funny faces. I loved when he really tried to scare them. I was lol at the lady wanting to leave and Michael twirls his finger and she instantly stops.

We are in the best Ghost story Michael can ever tell us and people are bailing out at the best part. We're on the edge of our seats and hanging by a thread... don't leave now the best is yet to come. There is a Beginning of a story, a middle (currently in), and a build up to the end. Which will be here soon enough. Some people want to just jump to the back of the book for the ending instead of having fun playing some games with Michael once in a while.

Peace[/b]
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on February 24, 2011, 01:41:57 AM
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Supervision
so all other talk like what the fans are doing against you then, is nothing more than hot air, and prolly based on nothing more than, a lot of hate and jealousy imo. which you should not even bother to take into account imo.
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Rhinoceros skin, as MJ used to say lol.

Ask yourself, just why are these sort of fans, not out there saying things like that about Pearl Jr. ,and her publication I wonder?

well, it is possible, that they know, that the woman is not going to take their B.S. and don't give a S..what they got to say at all.
I agree these are childish, ignorant things these cowards are posting. The verse, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me", is totally not true, but is meant to bolster confidence.

Souza, you are doing an amazing job as admin of this forum, and I doubt that many could or would want to be in your shoes. Very tough job dealing with ridiculous stuff people say. I know people here have accused you of stuff, but what do they want--this forum to close?  They'd have to join some other forum, and good luck with whatever goes on at that one, and on down the list of forums. Craziness and madness. We all just want to investigate Michael's hoax, and enjoy friendship with each other in this MJ community. In any family you simply can't nitpic about every detail, because it would drive everyone nuts.

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Im_convincedmjalive
Basically it boils down to NOW would be a good time for everyone to get tough. I meant tough emotionally or else this is what happens:

you end up leaving the forum over hurt feelings and some saying good bye more than once in this thread, lmao.

Have any of you stopped to realize that many members here made huge contributions?

Besides that Michael said we can't leave! Too late now your all his guests hee hee
This video is very interesting. Pay attention to some of the wording between the mayor (IMO is Tom Snake Sneddon) and Michael. There are pieces of clues as to what was actually being said. The boys hint at something Michael does and the one boy says it is a secret and slaps the other one. The mom slaps her son and then gets slapped too by a ghost!

So then Michael's turn to play games...

I lmao at his funny faces. I loved when he really tried to scare them. I was lol at the lady wanting to leave and Michael twirls his finger and she instantly stops.

We are in the best Ghost story Michael can ever tell us and people are bailing out at the best part. We're on the edge of our seats and hanging by a thread... don't leave now the best is yet to come. There is a Beginning of a story, a middle (currently in), and a build up to the end. Which will be here soon enough. Some people want to just jump to the back of the book for the ending instead of having fun playing some games with Michael once in a while.
I'm planning to stay for the long haul, but you can't change people's personalities (tough or easily hurt).
Yes I agree that there are many that have made huge contibutions. If you notice I said SD was ONE of the biggest losses. And yes this forum will go on. Those of us that miss her can still voice our opinions though. I know it's meant a lot to me when the odd time someone has said something kind or encouraging to me about something I've said. I believe we need to tell each other often that we appreciate each other, because you never know that someone's feeling ignored or down.

Awh! You made me laugh with MJ's message to us his guests. :D He can twirl his finger at me any time he wants to. :lol:  :P Michael has me spellbound, and I'm powerless to leave, till this is over and I'm not sure what...I see MJ alive and maybe much more. IDK :o  :D
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on February 24, 2011, 09:32:02 AM
I'm down for the long haul with you guys. You are stuck with me.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on February 24, 2011, 06:52:10 PM
Well I am afraid to say this, isn't that sad????  Souza you are our administrator, you are kind of like a boss, baby sitter, referee.  Being in this position you have stayed strong, guided people, dealt with difficult subjects, dealt with nasty people, wonderful people, mean people (nasty and mean are two different types of people in my book).  You have been the good guy, the bad guy, indifferent guy.  People love you, people hate you (I hate the word hate!).  We fall apart, you put us back together, some of us leave, some of us come back.  Souza, I commended you for what you have done for us.  Yes, I miss the people who have come and gone, but this is all a part of life.  On a different size scale....what is happening to Souza, isn't it kind of what happened to Michael in this world of meaness and misunderstanding?  I think people come and go and we don't have to like it, but sometimes it's between them not us.  Souza you have a tough job.  We are here because of Michael, but you are the one who keeps it real for us and keeps it on the straight and narrow.  There I am done.  I will close with the words I truly believe in, Take care and Love to All
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on February 25, 2011, 03:17:59 PM
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MJonmind wrote:
I'm planning to stay for the long haul, but you can't change people's personalities (tough or easily hurt).

Yes I agree that there are many that have made huge contibutions. If you notice I said SD was ONE of the biggest losses. And yes this forum will go on. Those of us that miss her can still voice our opinions though. I know it's meant a lot to me when the odd time someone has said something kind or encouraging to me about something I've said. I believe we need to tell each other often that we appreciate each other, because you never know that someone's feeling ignored or down.

Awh! You made me laugh with MJ's message to us his guests.
MJonmind,

I don't want to leave you or others with a bad impression so therefore I want to clarify a few things. First my opinion wasn't meant to say I think people's personalities need to change. I meant it to mean that people need to toughen up their emotions. Stop showing their deck of cards.  ;)

There is a time for everything. A time to cry, laugh, yell, get angry, and most of all to fight the demons who are feeding off this negative energy. If we toughen up our spirits and our fleshly feelings and we learn how to get control over them and not our feelings controlling us; we will be able to survive what is going to happen whether we like it or not. Whether we prepare or not it is gonna get nastier before it gets better.

Nothing in my post above said that you members who feel bad for the loss of Serenity couldn't express your opinion. I never said that you specifically didn't acknowledge there was others who made a huge contribution. As a matter of fact I used you as an example of one of the people who I believe has done alot of investigating and contributed just as much as she. The above post was my opinion just like you folks gave yours regarding the situation.

I am glad I made you laugh.  :mrgreen:

[youtube:yvy7he0s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxcJMdwG6gU&feature=fvsr[/youtube:yvy7he0s]
If it makes anyone feel better you can Just Blame it on the Boogie! lol
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: nefari on March 03, 2011, 11:34:54 PM
Well you all got your wishes. I'm gone. I hope you all find what you are looking for because we are not looking for the same thing. I cannot stay in a place where every post I make is torn to pieces or ignored all together, where the leader of this forum has her own vendetta against me and where a clique rules the roost. I refuse to be with an "IN" crowd!!!! I am me forever. Singular and me, unchanged by anyone. I want only Michael back and if not back then safe. I don't give a rats ass about the rest of the crap. I can investigate on my own. I can wait on my own. I have found nothing here but hurt and more hurt, tears and more tears. Keep your cliques. Keep  your noses in the air. I was never good enough for you. Well I'm good enough for me.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 03, 2011, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Well you all got your wishes. I'm gone. I hope you all find what you are looking for because we are not looking for the same thing. I cannot stay in a place where every post I make is torn to pieces or ignored all together, where the leader of this forum has her own vendetta against me and where a clique rules the roost. I refuse to be with an "IN" crowd!!!! I am me forever. Singular and me, unchanged by anyone. I want only Michael back and if not back then safe. I don't give a rats ass about the rest of the crap. I can investigate on my own. I can wait on my own. I have found nothing here but hurt and more hurt, tears and more tears. Keep your cliques. Keep  your noses in the air. I was never good enough for you. Well I'm good enough for me.
Hold your horses nefari! If you want to leave, just leave, but don't blame this on me. You clearly didn't read my reply to you. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=18117#p310175
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on March 03, 2011, 11:44:22 PM
nefari, your way too sensitive girl. There's no need to leave like this and I am sorry you feel this way.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: jacilovesmichael on March 04, 2011, 08:45:02 AM
Ohhh come on everyone... we all know the minute Michael bams every single member that left will come running back. Why waste time on petty arguments that only feed our egos? Sorry to say, but this isn't about you. It's not about me either. The bigger picture is so much more important than who's right and wrong about the little details. Like Stephen King says you have to "kill your darlings" in order to get anywhere artistically and in life. Meaning - don't let those little things you hold so dear get in the way of what really matters in the long run. This isn't aimed at anyone inparticular. I just think at this point in the hoax, it's plain silly to leave and it's even more silly to blame it on someone else who is on the same level as you: only human.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: paula-c on March 04, 2011, 08:53:20 AM
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jacilovesmichael wrote:

Ohhh come on everyone... we all know the minute Michael bams every single member that left will come running back. Why waste time on petty arguments that only feed our egos? Sorry to say, but this isn't about you. It's not about me either. The bigger picture is so much more important than who's right and wrong about the little details. Like Stephen King says you have to "kill your darlings" in order to get anywhere artistically and in life. Meaning - don't let those little things you hold so dear get in the way of what really matters in the long run. This isn't aimed at anyone inparticular. I just think at this point in the hoax, it's plain silly to leave and it's even more silly to blame it on someone else who is on the same level as you: only human.

 8-) If you, i agree, i like this way of thinking :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 04, 2011, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: "jacilovesmichael"
Ohhh come on everyone... we all know the minute Michael bams every single member that left will come running back. Why waste time on petty arguments that only feed our egos? Sorry to say, but this isn't about you. It's not about me either. The bigger picture is so much more important than who's right and wrong about the little details. Like Stephen King says you have to "kill your darlings" in order to get anywhere artistically and in life. Meaning - don't let those little things you hold so dear get in the way of what really matters in the long run. This isn't aimed at anyone inparticular. I just think at this point in the hoax, it's plain silly to leave and it's even more silly to blame it on someone else who is on the same level as you: only human.
Amen.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on March 04, 2011, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: "nefari"
Well you all got your wishes. I'm gone. I hope you all find what you are looking for because we are not looking for the same thing. I cannot stay in a place where every post I make is torn to pieces or ignored all together, where the leader of this forum has her own vendetta against me and where a clique rules the roost. I refuse to be with an "IN" crowd!!!! I am me forever. Singular and me, unchanged by anyone. I want only Michael back and if not back then safe. I don't give a rats ass about the rest of the crap. I can investigate on my own. I can wait on my own. I have found nothing here but hurt and more hurt, tears and more tears. Keep your cliques. Keep  your noses in the air. I was never good enough for you. Well I'm good enough for me.

Nefari... chill out. If you read, Souza was only agreeing with you. Nobody said you weren't good enough or that you weren't in the "in" crowd (if there even is one of those on here... :?) Nobody wished you to be gone. ;) I enjoy reading your posts! Please stay. :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: backstager on March 04, 2011, 03:04:36 PM
It's crazy what's happening to us during the hoax. Before 2009, all the fans were (for the most part) united. In 2010 the fans had almost completely split, nonbelievers v. believers. Now beginning of 2011 the believers seem to going seperate ways. Nonbelievers were already doing that. I only hope that the conclusion of the trial will bring us back together. Because this "family"... is getting pretty disfunctional.

What is going on..?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on March 04, 2011, 04:04:24 PM
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backstager wrote:
Because this "family"... is getting pretty disfunctional.

What is going on..?

This is normal. Every family has some dysfunction. Think about your own family or your friends, can you find them a perfect family?

This is no different here just because it is on the net. People are people and have feelings whether they are good, bad, right, or wrong.

What a shame they leave at the best part!

[youtube:1e5ec4kp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSbVA5ohyPM&feature=related[/youtube:1e5ec4kp]
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: themjkiss on March 10, 2011, 10:24:06 PM
The time has come for me to say goodbye, I will miss many of you, and have been blessed to have been friends with some of you in private message even if for a short while, you know who you are, you are, and will always be my friends, thank you.

I must stress very strongly 3 things before I continue:

1. If I by writting this I anger,offend or hurt anyone, please forgive me, it is not my intention. My intention is to let you know some of the reasons why I have choosen to leave and to let you read for yourselfs if you choose what is contained on this website.

2.Here is the website that found it's way to me late last night, I was not even aware it existed. http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/ (http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/)

3. By posting this website address, I am NOT saying Michael is guilty.



The truth of the matter is, I was up very late last night, reading much of this blog site, after I was done reading alot of articles on the site, I suddendly realized I am right back to where I began with my thought about Michael before he died. I always said to anyone who asked me if they thought Michael was guitly my reply always was "I do not know if he did or not, only God knows that" after Michael died I jumped on the bandwagon it seemed everyone else was riding, the bandwagon of grief, and deep sorrow, after I had looked up online anything I could find about Michael, naturally I found a abundance of his interviews, and concert videos, then that all gave way to joining the hoax site, buying his old/new music, books about him. I started to feel sorry for him, and to some degree even as I write this I feel bad for him.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 10, 2011, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: "themjkiss"
The time has come for me to say goodbye, I will miss many of you, and have been blessed to have been friends with some of you in private message even if for a short while, you know who you are, you are, and will always be my friends, thank you.

I must stress very strongly 3 things before I continue:

1. If I by writting this I anger,offend or hurt anyone, please forgive me, it is not my intention. My intention is to let you know some of the reasons why I have choosen to leave and to let you read for yourselfs if you choose what is contained on this website.

2.Here is the website that found it's way to me late last night, I was not even aware it existed. http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/ (http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/)

3. By posting this website address, I am NOT saying Michael is guilty.



The truth of the matter is, I was up very late last night, reading much of this blog site, after I was done reading alot of articles on the site, I suddendly realized I am right back to where I began with my thought about Michael before he died. I always said to anyone who asked me if they thought Michael was guitly my reply always was "I do not know if he did or not, only God knows that" after Michael died I jumped on the bandwagon it seemed everyone else was riding, the bandwagon of grief, and deep sorrow, after I had looked up online anything I could find about Michael, naturally I found a abundance of his interviews, and concert videos, then that all gave way to joining the hoax site, buying his old/new music, books about him. I started to feel sorry for him, and to some degree even as I write this I feel bad for him.

Anger is an understatement. Michael IS and always HAS BEEN innocent. Not only the biggest idiot in the world would know if they actually did some proper research, he was also ACQUITTED from all charges. If this is what you believe than you have no business here and it is indeed better you leave. Ugh...
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: themjkiss on March 10, 2011, 10:52:00 PM
Certianly I feel the media can be evil in many ways, but we must admit, alot the bad choice Michael made brought trouble to his doorstep. Such as the most obvious of them, letting boys sleep in his bed with him. This is not normal no matter how you look at it, not matter how many loving excuses one might make as to why they feel it is normal. I am also certian that Michael did feel genuine love for the children that is indisputable.



Other indisputable FACTS:

1.Michael seemed to always travel on tour with boys, although I do remember some photos with a girl here or there usually they were the boy's sister, but he was usually sleeping with the boy.

2.It would seem he did not trust women, or was not to fond of them.

3.Emanuel Lewis was 26yrs old when he was around Michael, never knew that until last night.

4.Michael had a hidden room in the closet of his room, I remember seeing photos of this room, was filled with photos of boys, if any were half naked as the press says I do not know, the photo I saw did not show any such thing.

5.Michael attested on the witness stand to owning the book that was held up, and the title read to him, of boys in various undress, I do remember him saying that fans would buy him these books of children.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 10, 2011, 10:56:06 PM
Quote from: "themjkiss"
Certianly I feel the media can be evil in many ways, but we must admit, alot the bad choice Michael made brought trouble to his doorstep. Such as the most obvious of them, letting boys sleep in his bed with him. This is not normal no matter how you look at it, not matter how many loving excuses one might make as to why they feel it is normal. I am also certian that Michael did feel genuine love for the children that is indisputable.



Other indisputable FACTS:

1.Michael seemed to always travel on tour with boys, although I do remember some photos with a girl here or there usually they were the boy's sister, but he was usually sleeping with the boy.

2.It would seem he did not trust women, or was not to fond of them.

3.Emanuel Lewis was 26yrs old when he was around Michael, never knew that until last night.

4.Michael had a hidden room in the closet of his room, I remember seeing photos of this room, was filled with photos of boys, if any were half naked as the press says I do not know, the photo I saw did not show any such thing.

5.Michael attested on the witness stand to owning the book that was held up, and the title read to him, of boys in various undress, I do remember him saying that fans would buy him these books of children.

Take this ignorant shit somewhere else. I suggest you do some proper research on both cases before you even consider posting insinuations like this. Here is somewhere you can start: http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... vengeance/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/v-for-vendetta-v-for-vengeance/)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: bec on March 10, 2011, 11:03:08 PM
I'm not even going to grace this with a reply. People can be so evil.

Souza: ban this user please.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 10, 2011, 11:04:36 PM
Quote from: "bec"
I'm not even going to grace this with a reply. People can be so evil.

Souza: ban this user please.

Done.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: kdkennedy74 on March 10, 2011, 11:10:08 PM
If the time were taken to read the transcripts of the trial and/or the book "Conspiracy" by Aphrodite Jones then you would know that Michael never did any of the things that he was accused of. He was truly a man who missed out on his childhood and had the soul of a child.  MJ gave his heart to these kids and did his best to help them to be happy while they dealt with their illnesses and they repaid him with false allegations.  The Chandler's were nothing more than a bunch of money-hungry, greedy backstabbers. His reputation was ruined and his heart was broken, for what, greed. I happen to agree that if you truly feel that he was capable of the allegations that were made against him, then this is not the place for you to be. The man was aquitted of all charges by a jury of his peers. Let the record stand for what it is!!!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on March 10, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
Seems to me there has been an attempt to bring this shit to our site lately with the posting of links to these type of biased blogs.  This is what the media did to the public during the court hearing in 05. As the good book says...a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 10, 2011, 11:20:18 PM
Quote from: "RK"
Seems to me there has been an attempt to bring this shit to our site lately with the posting of links to these type of biased blogs.  This is what the media did to the public during the court hearing in 05. As the good book says...a double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Yes indeed...
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJhasSpoken on March 11, 2011, 12:05:48 AM
I can't believe what I am hearing. MJ you were and ALWAYS will be INNOCENT...everyone who has looked for the truth and found it, knows that you are INNOCENT, those who haven't tried to or who want to see you fall have thought you were guilty and have always been riding on lies and more lies.

You never were and NEVER will be guilty of anything but unconditional kindness.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RunFaYaLife on March 11, 2011, 02:44:06 AM
themjkiss  If you can lurk in
Perhaps  you need to do a little more reading.
Like the Full Court Transcripts.
However you have to be committed to finding the TRUTH of the matter.
It takes quite a while.
You CAN do it....I did.

http://deargavinarvizo.com/category/court-transcripts/ (http://deargavinarvizo.com/category/court-transcripts/)

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The Verdict
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on March 11, 2011, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: "themjkiss"
The time has come for me to say goodbye, I will miss many of you, and have been blessed to have been friends with some of you in private message even if for a short while, you know who you are, you are, and will always be my friends, thank you.

I must stress very strongly 3 things before I continue:

1. If I by writting this I anger,offend or hurt anyone, please forgive me, it is not my intention. My intention is to let you know some of the reasons why I have choosen to leave and to let you read for yourselfs if you choose what is contained on this website.

2.Here is the website that found it's way to me late last night, I was not even aware it existed. http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/ (http://desireespeakssolisten.blogspot.com/)

3. By posting this website address, I am NOT saying Michael is guilty.



The truth of the matter is, I was up very late last night, reading much of this blog site, after I was done reading alot of articles on the site, I suddendly realized I am right back to where I began with my thought about Michael before he died. I always said to anyone who asked me if they thought Michael was guitly my reply always was "I do not know if he did or not, only God knows that" after Michael died I jumped on the bandwagon it seemed everyone else was riding, the bandwagon of grief, and deep sorrow, after I had looked up online anything I could find about Michael, naturally I found a abundance of his interviews, and concert videos, then that all gave way to joining the hoax site, buying his old/new music, books about him. I started to feel sorry for him, and to some degree even as I write this I feel bad for him.

I am very sorry that your decision is to leave founding your beliefs on that blog and not this one bringing light to what happened to MJ and all of his life through the mire.

However, just one thing: MJ was free of all charges by a court of law, and second, MJ did not sleep in bed with boys, children used his bed and he slept somewhere else and his room is about 200 sqm plus, parents also stayed at Neverland.

I can´t find for you a pic of Michael, during bad era, painting and colouring a pice of paper in his van. He is on his knees, a very sweet pic btw. Michael did not have a childhood and to bring a friend with him would be a normal thing. Sleeping or playing does not mean Sex.

LunaJo67 in youtube has great videos. May be those should come your way now and compare them to the last blogger you talked about. I am sure your view will change once again.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on March 11, 2011, 02:32:21 PM
Off topic i know but may i ask what's wrong with users bringing this 'gay' subject on here? "michael was gay...michael was a pedophile"....wtf.....after all we're here for the artist it's not like we're sleeping with the wrong guy and we have to discover the devil in our beds...wtf....okay back to my cell...
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on March 11, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
This user is just ridiculous. Can't believe you call yourself an MJ fan, and you think he was guilty of the charges that basically destroyed this poor, innocent man. I think everyone else has responded to everything, except one thing: Michael was fond of women. Brooke Shields, Diana Ross, Princess Diana... hello? There's more too. :roll: Ignorance. -_-
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on March 11, 2011, 04:45:20 PM
Why does it matter? he can be gay also...who cares? it's his feelings body...love and all...why is it that we care? it's not like we'll marry him!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: backstager on March 11, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
I can't believe she just said that  :| Here's a suggestion. Read every last page of the transcript, look at the evidence provided, read every last testimony, and THEN come back. Michael was innocent. Period. End of story.

I can't believe she just said that... on a MJ site. Why would you say to this to a group of MJ Fans, unless you wanted to start trouble?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: suspicious mind on March 11, 2011, 08:16:25 PM
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
themjkiss  If you can lurk in
Perhaps  you need to do a little more reading.
Like the Full Court Transcripts.
However you have to be committed to finding the TRUTH of the matter.
It takes quite a while.
You CAN do it....I did.

http://deargavinarvizo.com/category/court-transcripts/ (http://deargavinarvizo.com/category/court-transcripts/)

You are here: Home / Court Transcripts
Opening Statements


Martin Bashir’s Testimony

thanks for link. this could take a while. i had to start with debbie. will read more when i am fresher. it has been a long day.

Anne Kite’s Testimony


Davellin Arvizo’s Testimony


Star Arvizo’s Testimony


Gavin Arvizo’s Testimony


Steve Robel’s Testimony


Paul Zelis’ Testimony


Fritz Coleman’s Testimony


Kiki Fournier’s Testimony


Ruby Wolff’s Testimony


Shawn O’Grady’s Testimony


Jeffery Ellis’ Testimony


Conn Abel’s Testimony


Proceedings Regarding 1108 Evidence And Motion For Mistrial


Blanca Francia’s Testimony


Jeff Klapakis’ Testimony


Cynthia Bell’s Testimony


Janet Arvizo’s Testimony


Brian Barron’s Testimony


Timothy Sutcliffe’s Testimony


Motion For 1108 Evidence: Sneddon, 3/28/2005

Motion For 1108 Evidence: Mesereau, 3/28/2005


1108 Evidence: Sneddon’s Rebuttal, 3/28/2005


1108 Evidence: Judge Melville’s Ruling, 3/28/2005

You are here: Home / Court Transcripts
George Lopez’ Testimony, 3/28/05


Ann Lopez’ Testimony, 3/28/05


Bob Spinner Recalled, 3/28/05


Proceedings Outside Presence of Jury, 3/28/05


Timothy Rooney’s Testimony


Steven Moeller’s Testimony


Motions 4-21-05


Discussion Re: C. Montgomery, D. Rowe, et. al, 4/25/05


Hamid Moslehi’s Testimony


Kassim Abdool’s Testimony


Timothy Rooney’s Testimony


Craig Bonner’s Testimony


Discussion Re: Admissibility of Books


Craig Bonner Recalled II, 4/29/05


Harry Koons Testimony


Rosibel Smith’s Testimony


Ian Drew’s Testimony, 4/29/05


Beverly Wagner’s Testimony


Craig Bonner Recalled, 5/2/05


Paul Zelis Recalled, 5/2/05

David Saunders Testimony, 5/3/05


Jeff Klapakis Recalled, 5/3/05


Craig Bonner Recalled, 5-3-05


Steve Robel Recalled, 5/3/05


Duross O’Bryan, 5/3/05

You are here: Home / Court Transcripts
Rudy Provencio’s Testimony, part 1, 5/3/05


Admissibility Rulings 5/4/05


Rudy Provencio continued, 5/4/05


Trial Motions 5/4/05


Authentication of Evidence and 1118 Motion, 5/5/05


Wade Robson Testimony, 5/5/05


Brett Barnes’ Testimony, 5/5/05


Francin Contreras’ Testimony, 5/9/05


Gayle Goforth’s Testimony, 5/9/05


Violet Silva’s Testimony, 5/9/05


Ramon Velasco’s Testimony, 5/9/05

Joseph Marcus Testimony, 5/9/05

Joseph Marcus Day Two, 5/10/05

Joseph Marcus Testimony, Day Three, 5/11/05


Macaulay Culkin Testimony


James Van Norman’s Testimony, 5/11/05


Discussion Re: Viewing “Living With Michael Jackson”, 5/11/05


Cynthia Montgomery’s Testimony


Jeff Klapakis Recalled


Joy Robson’s Testimony


Proceedings 5-6-05


Chantal Robson’s Testimony


Marie Barnes’ Testimony


Karlee Barnes’ Testimony


Court Proceedings 2, 5-6-10

ason Francia’s Testimony


Kris Kallman’s Testimony


Adrian McManus Testimony


Ralph Chacon’s Testimony


Debbie Rowe’s Testimony


June Chandler’s Testimony


Motion To Dismiss

Wade Robson and Brett Barnes Testimonies


Azja Pryor Testimony


Jay Leno Testimony


Chris Tucker’s Testimony


Jury Instructions


Prosecution Closing Argument


Defense Closing Argument


The Verdict
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RunFaYaLife on March 12, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
Quote
thanks for link. this could take a while. i had to start with debbie. will read more when i am fresher. it has been a long day.

suspicious mind....
You are most welcome!
if you meant that for me.
It took me over a week to read it. LOL
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: suspicious mind on March 12, 2011, 01:50:01 PM
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
Quote
thanks for link. this could take a while. i had to start with debbie. will read more when i am fresher. it has been a long day.

suspicious mind....
You are most welcome!
if you meant that for me.
It took me over a week to read it. LOL

oh God it will probably take me forever :lol:  :oops:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on March 12, 2011, 02:24:31 PM
The problem is most people don't have the time or won't take the time to truly investigate, and so wish to come to their conclusions quickly or based on hearsay and loudmouths. It's seems the masses and media are pretty overwhelming in their condeming, and you have to be a strong independent thinker, not caring what the majority think in your pursuit for truth. I think that theMJkiss is simply weak-minded, easily persuaded and simply has not put the time into studying Michael or the facts. We just have to let him/her go--it's sad. Thanks Runfayalife for your link and info. I myself don't see a problem with occasionally discussing the gay/pedo theme if new members are honestly having doubts, as I have in the past. But it is annoying and goes back to unpleasantness, and I think redirecting him/her to the right places to reeducate is the right approach. Maybe she will come back informed and happy to join us again some day.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on March 12, 2011, 06:51:51 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
Quote
thanks for link. this could take a while. i had to start with debbie. will read more when i am fresher. it has been a long day.

suspicious mind....
You are most welcome!
if you meant that for me.
It took me over a week to read it. LOL

oh God it will probably take me forever :lol:  :oops:

LunaJo has a very good resume:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: suspicious mind on March 12, 2011, 07:22:22 PM
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
Quote
thanks for link. this could take a while. i had to start with debbie. will read more when i am fresher. it has been a long day.

suspicious mind....
You are most welcome!
if you meant that for me.
It took me over a week to read it. LOL

oh God it will probably take me forever :lol:  :oops:

LunaJo has a very good resume:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67)
i keep meaning to catch back up with the lunajo67 stuff too  :x  need more hours in my day :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on March 12, 2011, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Gema"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
Quote
thanks for link. this could take a while. i had to start with debbie. will read more when i am fresher. it has been a long day.

suspicious mind....
You are most welcome!
if you meant that for me.
It took me over a week to read it. LOL

oh God it will probably take me forever :lol:  :oops:

LunaJo has a very good resume:
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaJo67)
i keep meaning to catch back up with the lunajo67 stuff too  :x  need more hours in my day :)

The resume. Minkin was aquitted of all charges and noone believed the Arvizos  :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: curls on March 24, 2011, 03:34:43 AM
Not necessarily 'goodbye' but I need a break.

The trial appears to have been delayed yet again and I'm starting to wonder if it's ever going to happen, indeed if it was never meant to happen, much like the O2 concerts.

I can't contribute to TS's thread. He's chosen to teach us investigative skills using a topic in which I have no expertise.

I'm sick of reading TMZ's articles - the one today with a tastless red arrow pointing to where Elizabeth Taylor's remains will lie just finished it for me.

Michael, you're a genius - and I'd love to know how much of this you are controlling, as opposed to if you just set the wheels in motion and are watching things play out, just as I am. But I can't sit here at my computer anymore, with no end in sight, engrossed in your life, your hoax, when I have my own life, my own family and my own wider world that could well do with my attention.

In fact I feel this is the whole purpose of the hoax, to reel me in, change me forever and then send me back out into the world to live differently.

Michael - I love you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on March 24, 2011, 07:02:00 AM
Quote from: "curls"
Not necessarily 'goodbye' but I need a break.

The trial appears to have been delayed yet again and I'm starting to wonder if it's ever going to happen, indeed if it was never meant to happen, much like the O2 concerts.

I can't contribute to TS's thread. He's chosen to teach us investigative skills using a topic in which I have no expertise.

I'm sick of reading TMZ's articles - the one today with a tastless red arrow pointing to where Elizabeth Taylor's remains will lie just finished it for me.

Michael, you're a genius - and I'd love to know how much of this you are controlling, as opposed to if you just set the wheels in motion and are watching things play out, just as I am. But I can't sit here at my computer anymore, with no end in sight, engrossed in your life, your hoax, when I have my own life, my own family and my own wider world that could well do with my attention.

In fact I feel this is the whole purpose of the hoax, to reel me in, change me forever and then send me back out into the world to live differently.

Michael - I love you.

Curls, we do not know if the trial was delayed or not. It wasn't confirmed yet. I do understand that you want to take a break but maybe you should just wait if the delay is true or not about the trial. I hope you stay or come back soon. :) Blessings to you my friend. x
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on March 24, 2011, 02:05:11 PM
Curls  I know how you feel.  I have a hard time on the TS thread also.  I mostly just read and pull my hair out!  I have posted a few times there but I always seem to be going in the wrong direction.  I am not great at that stuff.  We all have "other" things to do, jobs, family, friends, life.  I have loved Michael for over 40 years and the day he "died" part of me died also.  This site gives me hope.  Crazy hope!  When I think I need a break, I go for a walk AND what do I think about......this site!!  I go out to dinner with my husband or friends, what do I think about...this site!  We all know things don't add up.  All these things that don't add up have  brought us down the yellow brick road to the conclusion that Michael is alive (for many of us anyway).  I truly believe he is.  I really do.  But this whole thing is frustrating.  We all want Michael back so bad that we are freaking ourselves out.  I think when dates change,  we don't know about the trial date changing yet, but when things seem to go in a different direction it might just mean something in the hoax has changed and Michael has to do something different.  If all of these things we have been posting about, FBI, NWO, etc are really true then how can we put a time line on that.  The course set is probably just an approximate one.  Who knows.  That's how I think anyway.  So I and probably so many of us understand how you feel.  Take some time if you need to, but remember the light will always be on so you can find your way back home to us.  Take care, Love to You.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: applehead250609 on March 25, 2011, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: "curls"
Not necessarily 'goodbye' but I need a break.

The trial appears to have been delayed yet again and I'm starting to wonder if it's ever going to happen, indeed if it was never meant to happen, much like the O2 concerts.

I can't contribute to TS's thread. He's chosen to teach us investigative skills using a topic in which I have no expertise.

I'm sick of reading TMZ's articles - the one today with a tastless red arrow pointing to where Elizabeth Taylor's remains will lie just finished it for me.

Michael, you're a genius - and I'd love to know how much of this you are controlling, as opposed to if you just set the wheels in motion and are watching things play out, just as I am. But I can't sit here at my computer anymore, with no end in sight, engrossed in your life, your hoax, when I have my own life, my own family and my own wider world that could well do with my attention.

In fact I feel this is the whole purpose of the hoax, to reel me in, change me forever and then send me back out into the world to live differently.

Michael - I love you.

OMG CURLS!!!! :cry:

I feel the same like you do,believe me.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm crazy or no  :( ,because my mind is always here.I don't know what to believe anymore,but lately I think that maybe someone is playing with our minds  :? .


Take care and God bless you!!!!
LOVE
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on March 25, 2011, 02:37:10 PM
Please take time to rest, reflect, live life, love others, give, but do not give up hope and faith. We will be waiting for you when you feel ready to return. Blessings to each of you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on March 26, 2011, 11:49:56 AM
Please do not leave just because you think the trial is delayed. It is not confirmed yet.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: scorpionchik on April 01, 2011, 01:21:53 AM
I CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE THIS....I AM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THIS THREAD. I HAVE NOT KNOWN EVEN ABOUT THE EXISTENCE, NEVER CAME ACROSS. I WONDER HOW MANY THERE ARE THREADS THAT I NEVER WAS ?  :lol:
OH YEAH, IF ANYONE HOPES, I AM NOT LIVING.  :D  I HAVE A MISSION.  :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on April 01, 2011, 01:35:23 AM
:lol: I rushed over here wondering/thinking oh rats whose next to leave, and I'm so relieved!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: scorpionchik on April 01, 2011, 01:44:14 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
:lol: I rushed over here wondering/thinking oh rats whose next to leave, and I'm so relieved!

(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-035.gif)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on April 01, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
ScorpionchiK!!!!!!  If you  are on a mission.....can I come toooooo.  I'll bring the food!!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: scorpionchik on April 01, 2011, 01:36:49 PM
Quote from: "sandythyme"
ScorpionchiK!!!!!!  If you  are on a mission.....can I come toooooo.  I'll bring the food!!

I am on diet darlin. Get the drink  :lol:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on April 01, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
Scorpionchik!!!!  

  sandythyme wrote:ScorpionchiK!!!!!! If you are on a mission.....can I come toooooo. I'll bring the food!!

I am on diet darlin. Get the drink :lol:

I've got plenty of that!!!!!!!  I lost 65 pounds :o  :o , so I'll eat for the both of us and then we can drink together!! 8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GreenManMakeAChange on July 12, 2011, 05:21:59 AM
Who the hell is this Desiree and how come no one has heard of her? I read through that blog and find it weird how someone could really love someone so much and yet go on and on about them calling them a child molester and pedophile and have a fascination with repeatedly writing about it.  She even admits to not being a fan and being mean about him until he died and just being in love with him, but it gets worse from there.  However, I also find some of that information she posted shocking cause I never bothered to read those awful books that were written by Evan Chandler and the Christopher Anderson book that I used to hide if I saw it in stores before, I do see used copies sometimes.  I do agree he did not know boundaries and that's what got him in trouble, but it does not make him guilty of being a molester or liking anyone like that, people just think too sexual now.  

He is just too complex and full of drama which is why I understand the need for some fans to back away or take a breather from all the controversies, but just know in the back of your head that some of them are big shots or just thrive off negative attention, or do this kind of thing to feel better about themselves or are better off.  Think about the things they did not post.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: applehead250609 on July 24, 2011, 10:17:28 AM
Hello everyone,

I just want to say that this time was enough for me,I'm done.I really dont like this forum format and its very hard for me to get use
with it. This 2 years were a blessing for me,it was a wonderful adventure  because I had all of you beside me.Thank you for all the LOVE and understanding.God bless you all and take care.With all my love ,


Diana  :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 24, 2011, 11:01:18 AM
I'm sorry to see you go. I hope that after a little break you will miss being here and will come back to share your thoughts.

Peace and blessings to you :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 24, 2011, 11:48:02 AM
Ohh, applehead. :(
I've always enjoyed your posts. I hope you come back sometime.  :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 24, 2011, 11:58:48 AM
 :( Hate to see old friends go away.  Will miss your posts and think about you often.  Please don’t forget about us… Love you more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRrU-tG9uZw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRrU-tG9uZw)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on July 25, 2011, 03:14:43 AM
Thanks for all your contributions!  Hope you'll come back soon.  :)Souza's still going to be adding improvements to the forum.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Sarahli on July 25, 2011, 06:31:50 AM
I hope it's not true applehead  :'( come on girl you LOVE Michael too much to just leave like that because of the forum layout   argue/

The adventure is not finished.  8)

BIG HUG

 :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: use_your_illusion on July 25, 2011, 06:48:31 AM
Hi applehead...wish you didn't leave but hope you come in here from time to time, we will be waiting for you  :)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: applehead250609 on July 27, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
Hello to everyone!!!!!!

I want to thank all members here for your love and support,THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART~!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU ALL and please excuse me for the DRAMA scene  ::)  :-[ :-*.


LOVE
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on July 27, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Applehead,

I'm sure that it is so hard to get used to this new format but we will all get used to it sooner or later. We've been here long enough to let it go now. Do not leave just becoz the format of the forum changed pls. Blessings.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on July 27, 2011, 05:13:53 PM
I had my days and still have them...thinking i read this forum like a fool...and that Michael is dead or he just doesn't want to know anything about "us" the fans..but i keep reading though "my knees are bleeding"....so please friends don't leave..take your time don't post...clear your thoughts and come back again..i was sad to see the new change with the forum BUT now i love it..Souza did an amazing job ! ;D
(If indeed Michael is dead..for how long will the family make money out of his fame?...there will be a day when we'll all settle and "grow-up"..what is it that they will do? die of hunger? or exploit the children??? argue/
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: wishingstar on July 27, 2011, 06:44:59 PM
For over 2 years now I have been convinced of something.  I am far from computer savvy.  Lol, I can't even embed a video~sad I know.  However, that's not why I am here.  I am here for Michael, I will stay for Michael...no matter if forum changes daily and I am completely lost.  The new forum is growing on me....Souza & Mods- thank you very much for all the incredibly hard work.  The real reason for me to stay on is to truly find the truth of June 25th.  Michael Jackson lived his life for everyone else.  Though I may never meet him, I feel I owe him a debt of gratitude and appreciation.  I suppose in some small way, I feel being apart of this adventure lets me show him I care.  I do believe he reads these boards, sees my words.  I only hope feels the love and admiration that surrounds each sentence.  I can't turn back now.....2 years and going would be a waste.  I am truly sad many great members seem to be lost in transition.  I hope they reconsider staying.  It's a great adventure.......thank you Michael. 

Blessings to each of you always
LOVE~
Wishingstar
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on July 27, 2011, 08:02:35 PM
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For over 2 years now I have been convinced of something.  I am far from computer savvy.  Lol, I can't even embed a video~sad I know.  However, that's not why I am here.  I am here for Michael, I will stay for Michael...no matter if forum changes daily and I am completely lost.  The new forum is growing on me....Souza & Mods- thank you very much for all the incredibly hard work.  The real reason for me to stay on is to truly find the truth of June 25th.  Michael Jackson lived his life for everyone else.  Though I may never meet him, I feel I owe him a debt of gratitude and appreciation.  I suppose in some small way, I feel being apart of this adventure lets me show him I care.  I do believe he reads these boards, sees my words.  I only hope feels the love and admiration that surrounds each sentence.  I can't turn back now.....2 years and going would be a waste.  I am truly sad many great members seem to be lost in transition.  I hope they reconsider staying.  It's a great adventure.......thank you Michael. 

Blessings to each of you always
LOVE~
Wishingstar

Wishingstar....I loved what you wrote. I think the same way. We've come too far to turn back and we owe it to Michael to see this through - for better or worse. Blessings and peace to you all.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Scream 2 on July 28, 2011, 12:48:14 PM
So, after two years of being a part of this forum I've decided that now is the time to take my leave. Not because I've had enough of the hoax or because I believe that Michael is dead, this decision has been made purely because of Souza's ujustified action's against me. Most notably, banning me from the chatroom when I dared to speak out against her censorship of freedom of speech.

This isn't the first time that I've disagreed with you or had the displeasure of having to deal with your predictable temper but it is the last straw and I'm not going to be dictated to any longer. Nor am I going to sit around and watch your enormous hypocracy grow, I'm taking a stand instead.

You preach about the dangers of the New World Order and yet you have followed their lead. Attacking, censoring and banning members whenever it takes your fancy. If they aren't going to be one of your many sycophant's and dare to speak out when they realise that what you're doing is unjustified, they become a threat to you and you decide it's time to get rid of them, I won't be one of those and I'm speaking out now before you can get rid of the account, as you predictably will. Lest I cause any more "drama" and irritate this little dictatorship you've got going.. for now.

Anyway, to rest of the forum members.. You have done a wonderful job so far and this investigation wouldn't have been the success that it has been with your constant dedication and patience.

Take care of yourselves.

Scream.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: bec on July 28, 2011, 01:02:47 PM
@Scream 2: Souza is just fed up with having to be the target of verbal abuse for providing the hoax community with a FREEEEEEE forum and website to get our daily hoax fix.

If she banned you it wasn't because she disagreed with you, it was because you were being verbally abusive. Patience is thin with behavior like that. I don't blame her. She gives a great deal of her daily effort of her own free will to the greater cause, of continuing the hoax investigation. Without her we would be lost. So ship on out if that's your ungrateful, selfish attitude.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: suspicious mind on July 28, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
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So, after two years of being a part of this forum I've decided that now is the time to take my leave. Not because I've had enough of the hoax or because I believe that Michael is dead, this decision has been made purely because of Souza's ujustified action's against me. Most notably, banning me from the chatroom when I dared to speak out against her censorship of freedom of speech.

This isn't the first time that I've disagreed with you or had the displeasure of having to deal with your predictable temper but it is the last straw and I'm not going to be dictated to any longer. Nor am I going to sit around and watch your enormous hypocracy grow, I'm taking a stand instead.

You preach about the dangers of the New World Order and yet you have followed their lead. Attacking, censoring and banning members whenever it takes your fancy. If they aren't going to be one of your many sycophant's and dare to speak out when they realise that what you're doing is unjustified, they become a threat to you and you decide it's time to get rid of them, I won't be one of those and I'm speaking out now before you can get rid of the account, as you predictably will. Lest I cause any more "drama" and irritate this little dictatorship you've got going.. for now.

Anyway, to rest of the forum members.. You have done a wonderful job so far and this investigation wouldn't have been the success that it has been with your constant dedication and patience.

Take care of yourselves.

Scream.


if you truely believe what you have just posted then you in my humble opinion will have made a great misjudment by simply turning and stiompping out the door.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on July 28, 2011, 02:09:13 PM
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I saw that some members are leaving just because they couldn't adapt to the new format of the forum. The mods and Souza are all very helpful about our questions. Pls do not hesitate to ask what your problem is. You can even send a PM and ask me. I would love to help as much as I know it. There's nothing to be ashamed of to ask. It's a new format and not everyone needs to be a computer savy. No big deal. The ones who know about it would love to help the ones who doesn't know it. We're a family here. So once again, pls do not leave because of this and ask for help to other members, mods or the admin if there is something that you do not understand about the new format. There're threads already about it. You can write down there or send a PM. Peace and Love to all.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: paula-c on July 28, 2011, 02:18:25 PM
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@Scream 2: Souza is just fed up with having to be the target of verbal abuse for providing the hoax community with a FREEEEEEE forum and website to get our daily hoax fix.

If she banned you it wasn't because she disagreed with you, it was because you were being verbally abusive. Patience is thin with behavior like that. I don't blame her. She gives a great deal of her daily effort of her own free will to the greater cause, of continuing the hoax investigation. Without her we would be lost. So ship on out if that's your ungrateful, selfish attitude.


This is true there is to recognize the work of de Souza, this forum has no advertising or asking for contributions
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: applehead250609 on July 28, 2011, 02:54:22 PM
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So, after two years of being a part of this forum I've decided that now is the time to take my leave. Not because I've had enough of the hoax or because I believe that Michael is dead, this decision has been made purely because of Souza's ujustified action's against me. Most notably, banning me from the chatroom when I dared to speak out against her censorship of freedom of speech.

This isn't the first time that I've disagreed with you or had the displeasure of having to deal with your predictable temper but it is the last straw and I'm not going to be dictated to any longer. Nor am I going to sit around and watch your enormous hypocracy grow, I'm taking a stand instead.

You preach about the dangers of the New World Order and yet you have followed their lead. Attacking, censoring and banning members whenever it takes your fancy. If they aren't going to be one of your many sycophant's and dare to speak out when they realise that what you're doing is unjustified, they become a threat to you and you decide it's time to get rid of them, I won't be one of those and I'm speaking out now before you can get rid of the account, as you predictably will. Lest I cause any more "drama" and irritate this little dictatorship you've got going.. for now.

Anyway, to rest of the forum members.. You have done a wonderful job so far and this investigation wouldn't have been the success that it has been with your constant dedication and patience.

Take care of yourselves.

Scream.

Scream2 I'm a member on this forum since 2009,but honestly this is the first time I see your name  :-[.I'm very sorry you are leaving.You are not perfect ,nobody is perfect,humans makes mistakes so we have to forgive .I dont know what happened betewn you and Souza but I have to admit that I'm very sorry you are leaving.I put myself in your position and let me tell you its not a very pleasant one :(.Thank you for your compliments and please take care of you,God bless you :).
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on July 28, 2011, 09:19:24 PM
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I saw that some members are leaving just because they couldn't adapt to the new format of the forum. The mods and Souza are all very helpful about our questions. Pls do not hesitate to ask what your problem is. You can even send a PM and ask me. I would love to help as much as I know it. There's nothing to be ashamed of to ask. It's a new format and not everyone needs to be a computer savy. No big deal. The ones who know about it would love to help the ones who doesn't know it. We're a family here. So once again, pls do not leave because of this and ask for help to other members, mods or the admin if there is something that you do not understand about the new format. There're threads already about it. You can write down there or send a PM. Peace and Love to all.



Agreed! I think it's silly to leave and let go of Michael's hand for a reason like that.  :mrgreen:
Of course it's going to take some getting used to, but Souza had to change the forum because the other one kept having problems & it was easy for others to hack into.
Like Purelove said, just message a modifier or comment on the thread about your problem.
(don't message me though, because im still trying to figure it out! :lol:

Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: scorpionchik on July 28, 2011, 09:47:23 PM
So fucking SAD to read such things....
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on July 28, 2011, 09:48:49 PM
This new forum has been challenging to say the least.  However, just like anything else that's new it can be scarey at first.  Just surfing around, taking a little extra time will make a big difference.  I am actually having fun with the new forum. I can see that I was afraid for no reason at all.  It's going to be ok.  We are all spiritual warriors, when changes/challenges come about, we embrace it and move forward.  We will all be fine.  You'll see.  Take care   penguin/
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on July 28, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
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For over 2 years now I have been convinced of something.  I am far from computer savvy.  Lol, I can't even embed a video~sad I know.  However, that's not why I am here.  I am here for Michael, I will stay for Michael...no matter if forum changes daily and I am completely lost.  The new forum is growing on me....Souza & Mods- thank you very much for all the incredibly hard work.  The real reason for me to stay on is to truly find the truth of June 25th.  Michael Jackson lived his life for everyone else.  Though I may never meet him, I feel I owe him a debt of gratitude and appreciation.  I suppose in some small way, I feel being apart of this adventure lets me show him I care.  I do believe he reads these boards, sees my words.  I only hope feels the love and admiration that surrounds each sentence.  I can't turn back now.....2 years and going would be a waste.  I am truly sad many great members seem to be lost in transition.  I hope they reconsider staying.  It's a great adventure.......thank you Michael. 

Blessings to each of you always
LOVE~
Wishingstar
If there are any other disgruntled members, I hope you will read the Wishingstar's post.  It's so positive, encouraging, appreciative, and patient!
And PureLove your offer is good to see also!
 bearhug
I'm lovin the new format as much/if not more as the old one. Worst case scenario--no forum :( .
All for Michael--all for L.O.V.E. penguin/
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on October 31, 2011, 05:33:14 PM
So, I know that I made a thread called "Rai out" last time, but I left for a maximum of two days, it was only a  VERY short Haitus, but this time I'm serious.

It's been nice knowing you all for the very limited amount of time that I've been here for, but I don't really feel so comfortable here. I'll continue helping MJ Beatz, but I don't really feel like I belong at this Forum, there's just something that I can't quite get off my chest. I just feel a little unsafe here, I feel like I'm going to cause a serious argument all of the time, I mess up a lot and I don't feel like I'm stable here. I've not lost faith, fellow Hoaxers. I just need to figure out who I am, because I don't know right now.

I'm trying not to make the same mistake as I did on DA almost five months ago, bear with me and give me a little time. If and when I return, I promise I'll try to fit in again. Please, don't post on any other Threads of mine if you expect a reply from me. Leave anything you want to say here.

There are things that I can't prove that makes me feel unsafe. 
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on October 31, 2011, 05:48:13 PM
I'm sorry to hear for the way you feel Rai. You're too young and do not worry because you will be finding who you are soon. We're a family here and you are a member of this family. Hope you start to feel comfortable here soon and come back. Enjoy your time on MJ Beatz. That is our sister web-page. Don't go too far and don't stay out too long. You will be missed here. Big HUGS to my little talented sister.  bearhug
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on October 31, 2011, 05:53:46 PM
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I'm sorry to hear for the way you feel Rai. You're too young and do not worry because you will be finding who you are soon. We're a family here and you are a member of this family. Hope you start to feel comfortable here soon and come back. Enjoy your time on MJ Beatz. That is our sister web-page. Don't go too far and don't stay out too long. Big HUGS to my little talented sister.  bearhug

It's okay, Purelove. I'm just a little worried is all, I'm trying to improve on my behaviour a little before I come back. Sometimes I just feel a little offensive.

I know, I want to help to improve MJ beatz, not sure what Jenn is proposing to do yet, though. I'll figure it out soon enough.

I won't and that I promise, I'll be back when I think I'm right.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: paula-c on October 31, 2011, 06:31:12 PM
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So, I know that I made a thread called "Rai out" last time, but I left for a maximum of two days, it was only a  VERY short Haitus, but this time I'm serious.

It's been nice knowing you all for the very limited amount of time that I've been here for, but I don't really feel so comfortable here. I'll continue helping MJ Beatz, but I don't really feel like I belong at this Forum, there's just something that I can't quite get off my chest. I just feel a little unsafe here, I feel like I'm going to cause a serious argument all of the time, I mess up a lot and I don't feel like I'm stable here. I've not lost faith, fellow Hoaxers. I just need to figure out who I am, because I don't know right now.

I'm trying not to make the same mistake as I did on DA almost five months ago, bear with me and give me a little time. If and when I return, I promise I'll try to fit in again. Please, don't post on any other Threads of mine if you expect a reply from me. Leave anything you want to say here.

There are things that I can't prove that makes me feel unsafe. 





Chao Rai i hope that this here again very soon
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Katie2 on October 31, 2011, 06:42:15 PM
Awww :( bye rai I only knew you for a day but I had a great time. Even though you are not religious I have brought out my quote book again :P Proverbs 23:18 There is surely a future hope for you, and your future will not be cut off. Whatever you plan to do in the future I hope you succeed and the me and the hoax fam will never get you. Xxxxx Katie a.k.a the golden unicorn  ;))
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on October 31, 2011, 09:00:14 PM
Awe, bye rai <3 ive always enjoyed seeing your posts. I hope you will be back, ive never found you to be offensive.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 31, 2011, 09:10:13 PM
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I'm sorry to hear for the way you feel Rai. You're too young and do not worry because you will be finding who you are soon. We're a family here and you are a member of this family. Hope you start to feel comfortable here soon and come back. Enjoy your time on MJ Beatz. That is our sister web-page. Don't go too far and don't stay out too long. Big HUGS to my little talented sister.  bearhug

It's okay, Purelove. I'm just a little worried is all, I'm trying to improve on my behaviour a little before I come back. Sometimes I just feel a little offensive.

I know, I want to help to improve MJ beatz, not sure what Jenn is proposing to do yet, though. I'll figure it out soon enough.

I won't and that I promise, I'll be back when I think I'm right.

Rai, you are only 13 yrs old. Your hormones are changing.. So one day you are up the next you are down, and at times everything bothers you.. I think it is a good thing for you to take a breather, and do so me soul searching. You are still starting your teens, and honestly for a teenager, you a remarkable. Your writting is amazing, and your thoughts seems like an older woman.  I know why you feel out of place, we are all adults and you are a young teenager, and it seems hard to make yourself understood. I will miss you, especially your drawings.  I wish you all the best, and hope you will reconsider. blessings.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on November 01, 2011, 12:23:24 AM
Awh Rai, I'm sad you're leaving us, but hopefully we will hear from you again when you decide it's time.  May you find your niche place where you feel at home, and continue to be a blessing with your creative writing and art.  I've been very impressed with your beautiful humble spirit!

Can you tell us the website of this  MJ Beatz, that PureLove said is a sister site to here?  Thanks!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: use_your_illusion on November 01, 2011, 12:32:50 AM
Rai you still gonna be in chat for the trial or you've stopped coming here all together?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on November 01, 2011, 04:49:48 PM
The Michael Jackson Death Hox investogaors Forum has been my home away from home for what seems forever.  I have met some very special people here and enjoyed the daily seeking of truth.  But I made a promise to myself that once the trial was over that I would have to shut many things down and get back to me.  Well, it seems the day draws near and though I am really ready for this trial to be over, I know that I will miss the comradery shared ith all of you.  It’s become my familiar, my safe place.  It’s given me hope when there was none.  It’s made me smile when everthing around me felt chaotic and hopeless.  Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

Souza you are the best.  Your creativity and continued dedication has made this forum the best hands down.  I will miss it.  So as I bid my farewell in advance because I do not like goodbyes, I want all of you to know that I was made a perfect believer because of you who held my hand and walked through it with me.  I don’t know what the verdict will be in this case and it doesn’t really matter.  We know the truth and that’s what sets us free and apart from everyone else. I only hope that one day when the world opens its eyes and can finally see what we see and have seen all along you will welcome me back to join you in shouting, singing “I TOLD YOU SO”.

So as this is one of my last posts,  Not THE last, but getting nearer to it, I just wnted to tell you all in advance how special you have been in my life and always will be.  I know that as time goes by there will be cause along the way for me to explain to my grandchildren how I made it through these tough times, and believe me The MichaelJacksonDeathHoaxInvestigators will dominate that conversation, and it will be all for love.

Dear Michael, where ever you are on this journey, always know that I love you more.  Be safe and do you.  You are the light of the world.  Always was.  Always will be.

 bearhug



Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on November 01, 2011, 06:23:20 PM
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The Michael Jackson Death Hox investogaors Forum has been my home away from home for what seems forever.  I have met some very special people here and enjoyed the daily seeking of truth.  But I made a promise to myself that once the trial was over that I would have to shut many things down and get back to me.  Well, it seems the day draws near and though I am really ready for this trial to be over, I know that I will miss the comradery shared ith all of you.  It’s become my familiar, my safe place.  It’s given me hope when there was none.  It’s made me smile when everthing around me felt chaotic and hopeless.  Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

Souza you are the best.  Your creativity and continued dedication has made this forum the best hands down.  I will miss it.  So as I bid my farewell in advance because I do not like goodbyes, I want all of you to know that I was made a perfect believer because of you who held my hand and walked through it with me.  I don’t know what the verdict will be in this case and it doesn’t really matter.  We know the truth and that’s what sets us free and apart from everyone else. I only hope that one day when the world opens its eyes and can finally see what we see and have seen all along you will welcome me back to join you in shouting, singing “I TOLD YOU SO”.

So as this is one of my last posts,  Not THE last, but getting nearer to it, I just wnted to tell you all in advance how special you have been in my life and always will be.  I know that as time goes by there will be cause along the way for me to explain to my grandchildren how I made it through these tough times, and believe me The MichaelJacksonDeathHoaxInvestigators will dominate that conversation, and it will be all for love.

Dear Michael, where ever you are on this journey, always know that I love you more.  Be safe and do you.  You are the light of the world.  Always was.  Always will be.

 bearhug





Not you too hesouttamylife I understand you, I did promise myself the same. These 2 yrs were amazing, I  met so many wonderful people all over the world.. That is phenomenal. We delt with a long journey, and found out so many wonderful things about Michael, that I have never known. Deep in my heart I know since June 25,2009 that Michael faked his death, and when ever he is ready to come back, we will welcome him with open arms. He is the light of the world.. you are absolutely right hesouttamylife. I do wish you all the luck in the world, maybe one day our paths may cross and really get to know each other.. You never know in life.. The world is big, but yet very small.. blessings to all..
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 01, 2011, 06:37:17 PM
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The Michael Jackson Death Hox investogaors Forum has been my home away from home for what seems forever.  I have met some very special people here and enjoyed the daily seeking of truth.  But I made a promise to myself that once the trial was over that I would have to shut many things down and get back to me.  Well, it seems the day draws near and though I am really ready for this trial to be over, I know that I will miss the comradery shared ith all of you.  It’s become my familiar, my safe place.  It’s given me hope when there was none.  It’s made me smile when everthing around me felt chaotic and hopeless.  Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

Souza you are the best.  Your creativity and continued dedication has made this forum the best hands down.  I will miss it.  So as I bid my farewell in advance because I do not like goodbyes, I want all of you to know that I was made a perfect believer because of you who held my hand and walked through it with me.  I don’t know what the verdict will be in this case and it doesn’t really matter.  We know the truth and that’s what sets us free and apart from everyone else. I only hope that one day when the world opens its eyes and can finally see what we see and have seen all along you will welcome me back to join you in shouting, singing “I TOLD YOU SO”.

So as this is one of my last posts,  Not THE last, but getting nearer to it, I just wnted to tell you all in advance how special you have been in my life and always will be.  I know that as time goes by there will be cause along the way for me to explain to my grandchildren how I made it through these tough times, and believe me The MichaelJacksonDeathHoaxInvestigators will dominate that conversation, and it will be all for love.

Dear Michael, where ever you are on this journey, always know that I love you more.  Be safe and do you.  You are the light of the world.  Always was.  Always will be.

 bearhug





Aww, don't go hesouttamylife, I remember you when I first joined this forum back in 2009. You're one of the few "oldies" as I'll call it. & your posts have always been very enlightening, you helped connect alot of dots. I'll miss you ! <3
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: mrbigshot on November 01, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
I've decided that I'm going to leave this forum and come back after I finished making this post. I would like to sincerely appreciate everybody who have enjoyed my insight, and though It may be an hour or two before I post again, I want you all to know that many of you own a special place in my heart. <3 don't miss me too much, for it is me who makes the grass grow on a dreary day. :D
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: applehead250609 on November 01, 2011, 06:42:02 PM
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The Michael Jackson Death Hox investogaors Forum has been my home away from home for what seems forever.  I have met some very special people here and enjoyed the daily seeking of truth.  But I made a promise to myself that once the trial was over that I would have to shut many things down and get back to me.  Well, it seems the day draws near and though I am really ready for this trial to be over, I know that I will miss the comradery shared ith all of you.  It’s become my familiar, my safe place.  It’s given me hope when there was none.  It’s made me smile when everthing around me felt chaotic and hopeless.  Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

Souza you are the best.  Your creativity and continued dedication has made this forum the best hands down.  I will miss it.  So as I bid my farewell in advance because I do not like goodbyes, I want all of you to know that I was made a perfect believer because of you who held my hand and walked through it with me.  I don’t know what the verdict will be in this case and it doesn’t really matter.  We know the truth and that’s what sets us free and apart from everyone else. I only hope that one day when the world opens its eyes and can finally see what we see and have seen all along you will welcome me back to join you in shouting, singing “I TOLD YOU SO”.

So as this is one of my last posts,  Not THE last, but getting nearer to it, I just wnted to tell you all in advance how special you have been in my life and always will be.  I know that as time goes by there will be cause along the way for me to explain to my grandchildren how I made it through these tough times, and believe me The MichaelJacksonDeathHoaxInvestigators will dominate that conversation, and it will be all for love.

Dear Michael, where ever you are on this journey, always know that I love you more.  Be safe and do you.  You are the light of the world.  Always was.  Always will be.

 bearhug

REMEMBER that there are always 2 SIDES of every STORY  8-)!!!!!!

Hesouttamylife my friend ,I hope that what I'm going to tell you now,it's not goona be an offence for you.I'm HAPPY for you,that you have the power to DISSCONECT yourself  from THIS ILLUSION!!!!
Yes it's been a WONDERFULL ADVENTURE,but unfortunately the time for the REAL WAKE UP will COME for EVERYONE OF US!!!!
During this HOAX,we all heard about :"WE SEE WHAT HE WANTS US TO SEE",nothing more.Well it's seems that most of us wanted DRAMA,but along the way,we forgot about COMEDY.Michael is a prankester and he loves COMEDY.I advise you to go back and watch EVEy awakening from THE ILLUSION(DRAMA) ,that V had prepared for her,then to come back and watch this video:



Jake Byrd: On the Scene Dr. Conrad Murray Trial
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After you will wake up,at first you will be shoked and angry,just like EVEy was,but after that YOU will have TO UNDERSTAND that THEY aka THE ARTISTs,with Michael LEADING THE WAY,had no other way but use LIES to TELL you THE TRUTH   . It was never about who's RIGHT and who's WRONG,about who's BAD and who's GOOD, about who's BLACK or who's white ,about who's SKINNY or who's FAT,about or who's SHORT or who's TALL,and about who's BELIEVER or who's NON BELIEVER!!! Don't you understand now, why we have all this CONTRADICTIONs in this HOAX ????? It's a GAME,a LOOSING GAME!!This HOAX is about THE TRUTH=LOVE,and like Michael said "THE TRUTH will be MY SALVATION".I wrote this post with all the LOVE in my heart,because I'm tired of "this MANIPULATION" and I wanted to bring some "AWARNESS and HOPE"to people.Take care and I wish you LOVE.Diana.


Kenny Loggins feat Michael Jackson "Who's Right Who's Wrong" +Lyrics
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Kenny Loggins feat Michael Jackson "Who's Right Who's Wrong"
Who's Right, Who's Wrong
I've grown tired of fighting
Whether you're right or wrong
Whether I'm weak or strong in your eyes
'Cause this is a lonely feeling
Watching you turn away
Why does it have to be this way?

On and on tonight
You've made a point of being right
Making this a game instead of love
You should know
Where this goes.

Someone's heart will surely be broken 
Before too long
If we keep on playing this game
Of right or wrong

[Chorus:]
Who's Right, Who's Wrong
When love is gone?
Who's right or wrong - false or true
Never used to matter to you.

You're almost crying 
Saying "I've gotta run"
Easier said than done
Tell me why
I want to know what you're hiding
Turn around and look at me
I've never been this hard to see before

If we'd only come together
For a moment here tonight
You could hold me tight
And ease your troubled mind
You should know
Where this goes
Someone's heart will surely be broken
Before too long,
If we keep on playing this game
Of right or wrong.

Right or wrong, lady
Right or wrong, baby
I'm right, you're wrong lady
You're right, I'm wrong, baby

Talkin' about who's right or wrong
It never really matters
When your love is gone
Sayin' it out
This right is wrong
If all our lovin' is gone.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on November 01, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
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The Michael Jackson Death Hox investogaors Forum has been my home away from home for what seems forever.  I have met some very special people here and enjoyed the daily seeking of truth.  But I made a promise to myself that once the trial was over that I would have to shut many things down and get back to me.  Well, it seems the day draws near and though I am really ready for this trial to be over, I know that I will miss the comradery shared ith all of you.  It’s become my familiar, my safe place.  It’s given me hope when there was none.  It’s made me smile when everthing around me felt chaotic and hopeless.  Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

Souza you are the best.  Your creativity and continued dedication has made this forum the best hands down.  I will miss it.  So as I bid my farewell in advance because I do not like goodbyes, I want all of you to know that I was made a perfect believer because of you who held my hand and walked through it with me.  I don’t know what the verdict will be in this case and it doesn’t really matter.  We know the truth and that’s what sets us free and apart from everyone else. I only hope that one day when the world opens its eyes and can finally see what we see and have seen all along you will welcome me back to join you in shouting, singing “I TOLD YOU SO”.

So as this is one of my last posts,  Not THE last, but getting nearer to it, I just wnted to tell you all in advance how special you have been in my life and always will be.  I know that as time goes by there will be cause along the way for me to explain to my grandchildren how I made it through these tough times, and believe me The MichaelJacksonDeathHoaxInvestigators will dominate that conversation, and it will be all for love.

Dear Michael, where ever you are on this journey, always know that I love you more.  Be safe and do you.  You are the light of the world.  Always was.  Always will be.

 bearhug

Awwww no.  :cry: This post made me so so sad. We're a family here and when a member leaves, it hurts. I understand what you feel hesouttamylife and I respect your decision. But even the BAM is not the end. I wish you could bring this forum and hoax into your life and wouldn't feel to go back to your own life. But of course, you know the best for yourself. You will be missed a LOT by me and by many members. I'm just hoping to see you around again. I Love You my friend. I really do. And I'm wishing the best for you.
 bearhug
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on November 01, 2011, 06:50:25 PM
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I've decided that I'm going to leave this forum and come back after I finished making this post. I would like to sincerely appreciate everybody who have enjoyed my insight, and though It may be an hour or two before I post again, I want you all to know that many of you own a special place in my heart. <3 don't miss me too much, for it is me who makes the grass grow on a dreary day. :D

 lolol/

Glad to see you're NOT leaving Mrbig. I Love You.  bearhug
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: wishingstar on November 01, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
I don't know where to begin because I can't stop laughing at the video applehead posted!  Thanks applehead...I feel so inappropriate...it's like laughing at a eulogy..........Ugg.  That was the funniest thing I have seen in such a long time....thank you for the side-ache  :lol:

Now.....hesouttamylife........I totally understand making promises to yourself etc.  You are the only one who knows what's right for you.  This hoax has taken us to places we have never been before, shown us talent like we have never seen before and given us emotions beyond all reason.  I have read your posts from the beginning and you were a catalyst to me for joining this forum.  Your amazing insight, thoughts and kindness were everywhere.  For that, I want to thank you! I know it's been a very long, uphill battle of blind faith.  I believe Michael is alive and stronger than ever.  I also believe he will come back.......that is part of why I stay here.  There is no other place I'd rather be than among these dear friends on this forum when BAM happens...and it will.  Even the folks I don't communicate with personally, I feel a strong sense of commitment to see it through with them.  We have come a long way.......together.  For whatever reason, I decided to become a part of something larger than myself.  To such a degree that even if the walls fall down around me, I will stand here faithfully knowing The Truth....ever thankful, ever blessed by the experience of knowing great people like you.  I may never know or meet Michael...but I have met you, here in hoaxland......I am grateful for that. 
The outcome of the trial has no bearing on the faith of my mind and heart.  It was all planned, I don't stress about it, I just live in the moment and enjoy it....all of it.  My friend...I wish you all the best.......you do what's right for you.  However, please know someone will be wishing upon a star for you. LOVE U

Very Special Blessings to All........
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: RK on November 01, 2011, 10:40:47 PM
@hesoutamylife. Know that you will be so missed. It is like a part of our body is being amputated with you going. We have been together in this for so long and we've seen many leave in the past, but you have held a very special place in my heart and I am feeling your departure more than ever. I'm being selfish now and asking you to please stay. We are all apart of each other. I wish you the best but secretly I hope you find yourself drawn back to us. I am being selfish because I love you.
@applehead....my friend..  that Jake Byrd was the funniest thing I have ever seen. I LOVEDit. Laughing so much I was crying. The pros and conc...properfol and conrad. Thankyou thankyou thankyou.
@Bigshot. I'm glad you are joking my friend. My heart would break otherwise.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on November 01, 2011, 10:50:46 PM
damn. i really regret coming into this thread... feel flat as and shouldnt have read it. doesnt change my mind on knowing mj is alive. if he never bams i am satisfied that he never died on 25.06.09 and that he is well... but feel flat and sad for everyone who is loosing faith... its more than saying goodbye to friends on a forum, it more than likely means many saying goodbye are likely to start greiveing for mj, and that hurts.... been thru that in 09. so i feel for those who are saying goodbye...

i personally wont be coming in this thread again!!!!! on the same token respect that some people need to let go and say goodbye if this is damaging to them emotionally. so respect certain peoples need to say good bye.


all the best in life for all those who are moving on. best wishes...

just make a promise to yourself about one thing, even if you now believe mj is dead.... promise yourself you will always look at things differently. esp things from media... keep your eyes open... and dont revert back to being a consumer without questioning what you see and hear. mj would want that for you at the very least... if thats all that you take away from DH then it was a valuable lesson learned...

all the best x
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: use_your_illusion on November 02, 2011, 01:32:06 AM
Please no hesouttamylife, I agree with MJFAN, your one of the people who have been here from the beginning and your posts are always great, I know I only signed up in 2010, but I've been watching this site from 2009, and enjoyed so many of the posts by forum members and to see people leave is sad, I guess this is like when MJ had to leave, although the Jackson Family knew he was still alive or that he would come back I'm sure they are still heartbroken.

@BigShot, DAAAYYYUUUMM I thought you were leaving...until you I saw that you were joking...lol...na jk, love ya.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: maninthemoon on November 03, 2011, 01:21:26 PM
My days as a believer came to an end on July 7, 2011 when MJ didn't return as everyone expected him to. I was pissed, so I gave up. I haven't been coming to this forum ever since then, - okay, I did for the next few days after July 7, actually I did for the entire month every now and then, but I didn't see any topics with more clues or such, it was like nothing had happened so as I said, I gave up.

Regardless of all the odd stuff happening, my days as a beLIEver are done.

R.I.P Angranity the Believer (June 25, 2009 - July 7, 2011)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: TrueBeLIEver1981 on November 03, 2011, 02:04:20 PM
I don't want this to sound disrspectful in the slightest and it's not in my intention to be a troll, rude, or anything negative. But this thead just seems to scream "Try to make the believers lose faith or try to convince the believers to lose faith."

After a long two year why give up now? Why lose faith? Sure, there are days when I feel like giving up, but if Michael didn't quit during 1993 and 2005 why should I?

For those who stopped believer after July of this year. What did you expect? I admit I was looking for something to happen. However, I was ready to accept that maybe July wasn't going to be BAMSDAY. The fact that some people have their hearts, minds, and souls set on dates will obviously be disappointed. Michael said he would comeback in HIS OWN TIME. So, how about we let him do that?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AThousandTimes on November 13, 2011, 06:34:34 AM
The day has come for me to say goodbye to you all... the autopsy photo, the trial and now the verdict have finally made me accept that Michael is really gone. I am not sad about this. I am happy about this. Not because Michael is gone and there is no way that he will ever return again but that I realise that I have been in denial for more than 2 years. The autopsy photo of Michael's dead naked body and the verdict have given me closure and I'm glad that it is over.

Of course there are things that don't add up - but aren't there ALWAYS things that don't add up? Compare the death of Lincoln to Kennedy (http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml). Those coincidences are incredible.

Does that mean that Lincoln's death was a hoax? No.
Does that mean that Kennedy's death was a hoax? No.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound disrespectful to any of you but come on guys... Michael is dead. You can hold on to those very small coincidences, but look at his crying mother during interviews... do you really, and honestly, believe that she is acting? Look at his children who go to Buckley and have access to Twitter and Facebook and YouTube... do you really, and honestly, believe that they could keep their mouths shut about their father being alive?

Again, no disrespect to any of you because I have been in denial as well. But please guys.... accept that Michael is gone and move on with your life. It's for the best.



Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 07:47:03 AM
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The day has come for me to say goodbye to you all... the autopsy photo, the trial and now the verdict have finally made me accept that Michael is really gone. I am not sad about this. I am happy about this. Not because Michael is gone and there is no way that he will ever return again but that I realise that I have been in denial for more than 2 years. The autopsy photo of Michael's dead naked body and the verdict have given me closure and I'm glad that it is over.

Of course there are things that don't add up - but aren't there ALWAYS things that don't add up? Compare the death of Lincoln to Kennedy (http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml). Those coincidences are incredible.

Does that mean that Lincoln's death was a hoax? No.
Does that mean that Kennedy's death was a hoax? No.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound disrespectful to any of you but come on guys... Michael is dead. You can hold on to those very small coincidences, but look at his crying mother during interviews... do you really, and honestly, believe that she is acting? Look at his children who go to Buckley and have access to Twitter and Facebook and YouTube... do you really, and honestly, believe that they could keep their mouths shut about their father being alive?

Again, no disrespect to any of you because I have been in denial as well. But please guys.... accept that Michael is gone and move on with your life. It's for the best.

Oh come on, don't be like that.

"Everything is an Illusionist,
Everything is an Illusion,
Watch the movie 'The Illusionist' and read between the lines, everybody, please do."

Could I say anymore?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 07:53:22 AM
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The day has come for me to say goodbye to you all... the autopsy photo, the trial and now the verdict have finally made me accept that Michael is really gone. I am not sad about this. I am happy about this. Not because Michael is gone and there is no way that he will ever return again but that I realise that I have been in denial for more than 2 years. The autopsy photo of Michael's dead naked body and the verdict have given me closure and I'm glad that it is over.

Of course there are things that don't add up - but aren't there ALWAYS things that don't add up? Compare the death of Lincoln to Kennedy (http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml). Those coincidences are incredible.

Does that mean that Lincoln's death was a hoax? No.
Does that mean that Kennedy's death was a hoax? No.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound disrespectful to any of you but come on guys... Michael is dead. You can hold on to those very small coincidences, but look at his crying mother during interviews... do you really, and honestly, believe that she is acting? Look at his children who go to Buckley and have access to Twitter and Facebook and YouTube... do you really, and honestly, believe that they could keep their mouths shut about their father being alive?

Again, no disrespect to any of you because I have been in denial as well. But please guys.... accept that Michael is gone and move on with your life. It's for the best.

Wait, why are you assuming that everyone is in Denial just because they believe Michael is alive? If someone believes strongly about something and has their own opinion on it doesn't mean they're in denial. I think this is a little too much negativity, telling people to "Accept that Michael is gone" and "Move on with our lives" will irritate people.  It's great that you've come to terms with what you believe, good for you! but spreading negativity like that isn't exactly the best idea, especially once you've put it that way.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: TrueBeLIEver1981 on November 13, 2011, 08:54:10 AM
One of the reasons I disagree with the creation of this thread is it promotes the idea of spreading negativity. I realize there are people with a difference of opinion, however, this site is looking into the possibility that Michael hoaxed his death. This isn't s site that is promoting that he died or anything, so why create a thread like this?

I admit when the verdict was announced I thought "Maybe he is dead". But I watched another video on Youtube about the verdict and man, if people lose faith already, then I feel sorry for them because if anything they're TELLING us he's alive.

Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 09:16:17 AM
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One of the reasons I disagree with the creation of this thread is it promotes the idea of spreading negativity. I realize there are people with a difference of opinion, however, this site is looking into the possibility that Michael hoaxed his death. This isn't s site that is promoting that he died or anything, so why create a thread like this?

I admit when the verdict was announced I thought "Maybe he is dead". But I watched another video on Youtube about the verdict and man, if people lose faith already, then I feel sorry for them because if anything they're TELLING us he's alive.

I think the thread is pretty necassary, it's just those people who seem to like spreading the negativity.
We all have common sense, right? Well, people shouldn't mention controversial things when they leave, they can explain why they've chosen to leave. To tell people to "Accept the truth" about Michael being dead just pushes the limit to what they can post on here. I think this Thread needs a set of rules to go with it, probably telling people NOT to make an attempt to remove others' faith. 
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 13, 2011, 11:14:11 AM
You're going to let go after 2 long years over that photo...? Please go read the autopsy photo thread. That photo is not legit, it's a photo-shopped, low quality, weird angled excuse for an autopsy photo. And the IV is in his arm... why? He was pronounced dead?

"I realized I was in denial for 2 years".... uh.... I'm not in denial about anything relating to this hoax. You can't be "in denial" when there's so much evidence, clues, slip-ups, etc. pointing to Michael being alive. In the mid-early stages of the hoax, I tried to convince myself Michael was dead. & I did that for about a month, then I came right back to the hoax because that's when I truly was being "in denial". And It's not just that Michael's death doesn't "add up" it's the immense amount of clues and slip-ups, and "coincidences" with numerology. Anyway, I hope you'll stay, we don't want to lose a soldier ):

& yes, I like this thread because it's a way for people to announce that they're leaving and it gives us a chance to say goodbye, instead of having 30 different threads, or having people that just stop coming on the forum. But like Raikiramari said, when people leave and say they're controversial reasons, especially telling all of us that we're in denial and need to accept his death, that's when the negativity starts.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 11:50:41 AM
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You're going to let go after 2 long years over that photo...? Please go read the autopsy photo thread. That photo is not legit, it's a photo-shopped, low quality, weird angled excuse for an autopsy photo. And the IV is in his arm... why? He was pronounced dead?

"I realized I was in denial for 2 years".... uh.... I'm not in denial about anything relating to this hoax. You can't be "in denial" when there's so much evidence, clues, slip-ups, etc. pointing to Michael being alive. In the mid-early stages of the hoax, I tried to convince myself Michael was dead. & I did that for about a month, then I came right back to the hoax because that's when I truly was being "in denial". And It's not just that Michael's death doesn't "add up" it's the immense amount of clues and slip-ups, and "coincidences" with numerology. Anyway, I hope you'll stay, we don't want to lose a soldier ):

& yes, I like this thread because it's a way for people to announce that they're leaving and it gives us a chance to say goodbye, instead of having 30 different threads, or having people that just stop coming on the forum. But like Raikiramari said, when people leave and say they're controversial reasons, especially telling all of us that we're in denial and need to accept his death, that's when the negativity starts.

I think you just about summed it all up;however you left out one crucial thing.

We sat through and watched the Media tell us that Michael Jackson had died, June 25th 2009.
We watched this man's funeral.
We saw his Memorial, all of his family Members and Children together.

Throughout all of this, not ONCE has there been a hesitation to disregard our faith. And now, because of two low quality images amongst tons of those supposedly taken of Michael Jackson and a Verdict coming out as "Guilty" people have stopped beLIEving. Who's really in denial? What evidence is there really for Michael's death other than what the Media has said? That's what I'd like to know.

If Michael Joe Jackson was really dead, don't you think his Family would recognize his body? don't you think that his Mother would've wanted to see her CHILD for the last time? What about the Death Certificate? Latoya Jackson signed it because NOBODY.ELSE.WOULD, so why is that? Of course, these are all rhetorical questions. They don't need an answer, because you can't answer them.

The sad truth is that none of us know who 'Michael Jackson' was, all we saw from him was what the Media portrayed of him. All we know is that Michael Jackson is a kind man, who produced music, danced and did so much for the world. For all we know, Michael is a manipulator an Illusionist.

Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: suspicious mind on November 13, 2011, 12:12:50 PM
to those of you who have decided to leave the hoax. i know that you want your life back. i get that , but i know and you know that this man/ child has captured a piece of your heart. so i am asking you to consider if you are going to walk on that side of the issue do it actively. please continue to fight for the truth regarding what has happened to and what possibly was done to michael throughout his life. if you do that then perhaps the last over two years of your life will not be spent in vain. no matter what is the final truth there are so many things with this situation  that are out of whack .
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on November 13, 2011, 12:15:27 PM
Come on guys, we are loosing a member here.  She was trying to express herself, how she is feeling.  I think she is thinking she is helping.  Somethymes I just don't get it.   What happened to we will miss you, it's ok we understand?  Somethymes people just need to leave.....We need to look from the outside in and the inside out.  Breath and understand someones feelings.  Somethymes, manythymes we take things wrong or somethymes people say things in a way where they don't come out right.  Please remember why we are here. AThousandTimes I will miss you and I understand you.  We will be here if you ever decide to come back to us.  Take care. LOVE TO ALL!!! 
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MissG on November 13, 2011, 12:18:23 PM
Bye to the ones leaving. I am happy for them that they found clousure.

We could be in denial, of course, but we could also be on the right track.
Reading if michael is still alive does not interfere in my daily life and my life go on as usual. Just wanted to make that clear for those who care so much for my private life :) Thanks for the concern...all Ok in this side ;)

Didn´t Jermaine said something like -"Michael is now with us" after the veridict?

Something is still not fitting here. Having Murray convicted as guilty (for negligence as a Doctor) does not mean that he killed Michael. On the other hand, i don´t see Michael as the man who would harm himself even being desperate for sleep. He has kids to take care of and, as he said, he needed stability, to settle down.
To me he is still alive and no, I don´t need people supporting my theories or my "on denial mood".
I suspected he could be alive since the day I saw his ambo pic on Yahoo news.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on November 13, 2011, 12:19:11 PM
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to those of you who have decided to leave the hoax. i know that you want your life back. i get that , but i know and you know that this man/ child has captured a piece of your heart. so i am asking you to consider if you are going to walk on that side of the issue do it actively. please continue to fight for the truth regarding what has happened to and what possibly was done to michael throughout his life. if you do that then perhaps the last over two years of your life will not be spent in vain. no matter what is the final truth there are so many things with this situation  that are out of whack .

bravo, very well said...
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 12:25:07 PM
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Come on guys, we are loosing a member here.  She was trying to express herself, how she is feeling.  I think she is thinking she is helping.  Somethymes I just don't get it.   What happened to we will miss you, it's ok we understand?  Somethymes people just need to leave.....We need to look from the outside in and the inside out.  Breath and understand someones feelings.  Somethymes, manythymes we take things wrong or somethymes people say things in a way where they don't come out right.  Please remember why we are here. AThousandTimes I will miss you and I understand you.  We will be here if you ever decide to come back to us.  Take care. LOVE TO ALL!!!

I don't think that telling everyone that they are in Denial is the greatest way to put it, do you?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on November 13, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
No I don't either, but did you ever say something and then go whoops.  Or as I said, maybe she feels she is helping.  I know exactly what you are saying but I still think we should understand what she was trying to say.  We are all here out of love......
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 12:33:30 PM
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No I don't either, but did you ever say something and then go whoops.  Or as I said, maybe she feels she is helping.  I know exactly what you are saying but I still think we should understand what she was trying to say.  We are all here out of love......

I think she should've put it more subtly, y'know that she can edit her posts, don't you?
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: sandythyme on November 13, 2011, 12:36:24 PM
Oh my goodness, let it go.    bearhug   I am sending you love, light and understanding.  Take care, Love to you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 13, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
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Oh my goodness, let it go.    bearhug   I am sending you love, light and understanding.  Take care, Love to you.

"Oh my Goodness, let it go." Then why start? I hate people who do that, it REALLY ticks me off!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on November 13, 2011, 01:53:41 PM
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The Michael Jackson Death Hox investogaors Forum has been my home away from home for what seems forever.  I have met some very special people here and enjoyed the daily seeking of truth.  But I made a promise to myself that once the trial was over that I would have to shut many things down and get back to me.  Well, it seems the day draws near and though I am really ready for this trial to be over, I know that I will miss the comradery shared ith all of you.  It’s become my familiar, my safe place.  It’s given me hope when there was none.  It’s made me smile when everthing around me felt chaotic and hopeless.  Thank you guys from the bottom of my heart.

Souza you are the best.  Your creativity and continued dedication has made this forum the best hands down.  I will miss it.  So as I bid my farewell in advance because I do not like goodbyes, I want all of you to know that I was made a perfect believer because of you who held my hand and walked through it with me.  I don’t know what the verdict will be in this case and it doesn’t really matter.  We know the truth and that’s what sets us free and apart from everyone else. I only hope that one day when the world opens its eyes and can finally see what we see and have seen all along you will welcome me back to join you in shouting, singing “I TOLD YOU SO”.

So as this is one of my last posts,  Not THE last, but getting nearer to it, I just wnted to tell you all in advance how special you have been in my life and always will be.  I know that as time goes by there will be cause along the way for me to explain to my grandchildren how I made it through these tough times, and believe me The MichaelJacksonDeathHoaxInvestigators will dominate that conversation, and it will be all for love.

Dear Michael, where ever you are on this journey, always know that I love you more.  Be safe and do you.  You are the light of the world.  Always was.  Always will be.

 bearhug



 bearhug   hesouttamalife, I was missing your posts lately, I had no idea that you said goodbye to the forum! I understand that you kept your promise. I hope you visit this forum once and awhile, I'll miss you and your posts, but when we'll sing "I told you so" together (we will make that song all together ok?), you'll be here to join us, okay?  :)

Take care & thank you too

LOVE
Everlastinglove_MJ
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Magic_Love_4U on November 13, 2011, 02:27:18 PM
Michael Jackson was murdered by Conrad Murray who was controlled/hired by AEG.

John Branca and Randy Phillips are also guilty of the murder of Michael Jackson and should be brought to justice!

The trial was managed and controlled by AEG!

This is not a movie, this is not a media hoax, this is real life!

Tthe Jackson family is fighting very hard to get justice for Michael Jackson and all the fraud and lies that AEG, Branca and others have done to him and get back what is his.
AEG and Branca controlls everything, everything that was once Michael Jackson's is since 2009.06.25 the property of AEG and Sony.

This is NOT a game, it is REALITY! ~ Wake Up ~

- I have only love 4 you all and I notice more and more people noticing the truth now, and I am very happy about that. -

¨Bye¨
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Raikiramari on November 14, 2011, 05:41:17 AM
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Michael Jackson was murdered by Conrad Murray who was controlled/hired by AEG.

John Branca and Randy Phillips are also guilty of the murder of Michael Jackson and should be brought to justice!

The trial was managed and controlled by AEG!

This is not a movie, this is not a media hoax, this is real life!

Tthe Jackson family is fighting very hard to get justice for Michael Jackson and all the fraud and lies that AEG, Branca and others have done to him and get back what is his.
AEG and Branca controlls everything, everything that was once Michael Jackson's is since 2009.06.25 the property of AEG and Sony.

This is NOT a game, it is REALITY! ~ Wake Up ~

- I have only love 4 you all and I notice more and more people noticing the truth now, and I am very happy about that. -

¨Bye¨

(SMH) this is exactly why Souza should create a new set of Rules applied to Threads like these. This thread is about 'leaving' hence the Title. We're not discussing wether or not Michael is alive on this thread.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: applehead250609 on November 14, 2011, 06:19:18 AM
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AThousandTimes
The day has come for me to say goodbye to you all... the autopsy photo, the trial and now the verdict have finally made me accept that Michael is really gone. I am not sad about this. I am happy about this. Not because Michael is gone and there is no way that he will ever return again but that I realise that I have been in denial for more than 2 years. The autopsy photo of Michael's dead naked body and the verdict have given me closure and I'm glad that it is over.

Of course there are things that don't add up - but aren't there ALWAYS things that don't add up? Compare the death of Lincoln to Kennedy (http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfkcoincidences.shtml). Those coincidences are incredible.

Does that mean that Lincoln's death was a hoax? No.
Does that mean that Kennedy's death was a hoax? No.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound disrespectful to any of you but come on guys... Michael is dead. You can hold on to those very small coincidences, but look at his crying mother during interviews... do you really, and honestly, believe that she is acting? Look at his children who go to Buckley and have access to Twitter and Facebook and YouTube... do you really, and honestly, believe that they could keep their mouths shut about their father being alive?

Again, no disrespect to any of you because I have been in denial as well. But please guys.... accept that Michael is gone and move on with your life. It's for the best.

AThousandTimes I'm so sorry you are leaving,I know exactly how you feel because I was "in your shoes" once  :cry:.I will not say more than please take care of you and if you ever want to come back,WE,YOUR MJ family ,will be here waiting for you,with OPEN ARMS.I LOVE with all my heart,Diana aka applehead250609  :)!!!


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Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 14, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
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Michael Jackson was murdered by Conrad Murray who was controlled/hired by AEG.

John Branca and Randy Phillips are also guilty of the murder of Michael Jackson and should be brought to justice!

The trial was managed and controlled by AEG!

This is not a movie, this is not a media hoax, this is real life!

Tthe Jackson family is fighting very hard to get justice for Michael Jackson and all the fraud and lies that AEG, Branca and others have done to him and get back what is his.
AEG and Branca controlls everything, everything that was once Michael Jackson's is since 2009.06.25 the property of AEG and Sony.

This is NOT a game, it is REALITY! ~ Wake Up ~

- I have only love 4 you all and I notice more and more people noticing the truth now, and I am very happy about that. -

¨Bye¨

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with love <33333  -____-
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GINAFELICIA on November 14, 2011, 02:24:02 PM
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Michael Jackson was murdered by Conrad Murray who was controlled/hired by AEG.

John Branca and Randy Phillips are also guilty of the murder of Michael Jackson and should be brought to justice!

The trial was managed and controlled by AEG!

This is not a movie, this is not a media hoax, this is real life!

Tthe Jackson family is fighting very hard to get justice for Michael Jackson and all the fraud and lies that AEG, Branca and others have done to him and get back what is his.
AEG and Branca controlls everything, everything that was once Michael Jackson's is since 2009.06.25 the property of AEG and Sony.

This is NOT a game, it is REALITY! ~ Wake Up ~

- I have only love 4 you all and I notice more and more people noticing the truth now, and I am very happy about that. -

¨Bye¨
You could be right.

I am happy for you that you found closure after the verdict.

I wish I could find it too but it's not the time yet  and it might never be :cry:
 bearhug
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Aidan_81 on November 14, 2011, 05:45:07 PM
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Michael Jackson was murdered by Conrad Murray who was controlled/hired by AEG.
....

- that's what is on the surface. That's what is obvious [lol and that's also what makes
me shocked by amount of people being happy after that circus "trial" and only Murray
being "convicted", hello??]. We don't have to "wake up" here, you're telling about #1 theory
we are all aware of, aren't we?  ;) You read Dr. Klein's twitter I bet. He was copy-pasting
from OLD fan forums/blogs.
But what if it is deeper than that  8-) Yes, we want evils to be exposed, like totally exposed,
to all those blind crowds being "whatever" about Michael's death and any other death
that is not their own! Time has come to expose evils for everyone to see.

With Michael's help.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Magic_Love_4U on November 14, 2011, 06:01:50 PM
Don't get me wrong, I would be more than happy if Michael Jackson indeed is alive and will make a comeback, or just an announcement.
I do not mind being wrong about anything.

Allthough I believe in my heart that Michael Jacksons life was in danger, yes... he could have made it out alive, but he could also have died. But I also believe in the Jacksons.

I agree on that the trial was somehow fake, rigged etc and the fact givven that Murrays mug shot is nowhere to be found, the trial was an "illusion" as LaToya said.

But it is not a game or a movie. Crimes were comitted and a life was taken (or tried to be taken).

Yep, a theory, just like yours.

Love
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on November 14, 2011, 06:53:31 PM
Okay, yes you're allowed to have a theory, but if you haven't noticed this is a Michael Jackson DEATH HOAX forum. You coming here and telling us Murray murdered Michael isn't going to convince us, obviously, considering the media has been telling us the same thing for 2 & a half years now.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on November 14, 2011, 07:35:17 PM
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Michael Jackson was murdered by Conrad Murray who was controlled/hired by AEG.

John Branca and Randy Phillips are also guilty of the murder of Michael Jackson and should be brought to justice!

The trial was managed and controlled by AEG!

This is not a movie, this is not a media hoax, this is real life!

Tthe Jackson family is fighting very hard to get justice for Michael Jackson and all the fraud and lies that AEG, Branca and others have done to him and get back what is his.
AEG and Branca controlls everything, everything that was once Michael Jackson's is since 2009.06.25 the property of AEG and Sony.

This is NOT a game, it is REALITY! ~ Wake Up ~

- I have only love 4 you all and I notice more and more people noticing the truth now, and I am very happy about that. -

¨Bye¨

 lolol/

BYE  (http://yoursmiles.org/csmile/goodbye/c0208.gif)
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: PureLove on November 14, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
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Okay, yes you're allowed to have a theory, but if you haven't noticed this is a Michael Jackson DEATH HOAX forum. You coming here and telling us Murray murdered Michael isn't going to convince us, obviously, considering the media has been telling us the same thing for 2 & a half years now.

And how strong AEG can be to establish fake trials. :lol: And of course Latoya was talking about the illusionist and the entire family was giving out clues because they work for AEG too. :lol: It's just funny how people can think like this after two years. This is such a waste of time. I shouldn't have checked out this thred but I thought someone from family was leaving but I can see that it's nothing important.  Pfff  :roll:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: conclusivemj on November 14, 2011, 07:42:02 PM
 party/YOU NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE GIRRRRLS! Never caaan say goodbye...you got to be there...beeee there in the mor-orning...don't go girl!
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: Delia on November 14, 2011, 08:22:23 PM
It is sad that some people can*t see that Michael is an inteligent man that is determined to Make that change ! But in order to feel that they must try to make a change in themselves, and not to see him like the tabloids made him look : a frial bizare childish superstar.
He is not like Ana Nicole Smith, or others that couldn*t have controle of their lifes, isn*t that right ?
Sweet dreams, soon it is morning !
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: supermj4eva on June 25, 2012, 07:02:51 PM
Its now been 3 years, since June 25th 2009.
MJ has been missed, and whilst we have debunked his death to the near point of certainty that he is still alive, I still felt a huge sense of sadness yesterday that he may actually be gone.

Therefore I will probably take a short break from the site and any Death Hoax related news as I really cant deal with any more of it at the moment.
I just need a break from it all to reflect and to refresh 

I hope MJ returns soon, but if not I wish him all the love and joy in the world where ever he may be :)

I will be back at some point I am sure as it is so hard to stay away.

L.O.V.E to you all
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: marumjj on June 25, 2012, 07:30:10 PM
mj4eva super regret his decision, but if you need a break I understand, go enjoy your life and when I return (if it does) will be welcome.

                            :)

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Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: voiceforthesilent on June 25, 2012, 10:28:20 PM
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Its now been 3 years, since June 25th 2009.
MJ has been missed, and whilst we have debunked his death to the near point of certainty that he is still alive, I still felt a huge sense of sadness yesterday that he may actually be gone.

Therefore I will probably take a short break from the site and any Death Hoax related news as I really cant deal with any more of it at the moment.
I just need a break from it all to reflect and to refresh 

I hope MJ returns soon, but if not I wish him all the love and joy in the world where ever he may be :)

I will be back at some point I am sure as it is so hard to stay away.

L.O.V.E to you all

Hugs to you. I know how you feel - I've had to take breaks too. For as long as you need to refresh and regain your stability, please know that we will welcome you back. You will be missed.

Blessings
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 26, 2012, 12:26:45 AM
Eventually we'll all have to let go. We'll be the crazy ones forever. Not that I would care what others think.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: MJonmind on June 26, 2012, 12:32:41 AM
Whew!  I thought someone was leaving!

Gina, but at least we have excellent company here! :D
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AlwaysHeather on June 26, 2012, 01:34:51 AM
@ MJFAN7... I LOOOOOOVE that clip from Chandler. That's a reeeaaally good clip. He makes me laugh sooo hard. Thank you for posting it. I don't know how to post videos here seeings how im a little new. would love to know, I know this is a bit off topic. but just so all my basis are covered, I do know how people feel when they need to go away for a while. I almost did it myself here just a couple days ago. Not because I'm waiting for Michael to return but because f someone actually calling me stupid in my youtube messages. I realize I'm not as smart as most people but I do try very hard. Anyway I wont go off onto that. I feel for everyone who is r3eally down about all this. I have to say, with a sad hard, that I have felt for some time now that Michael would not return. I don't mean that in a bad way or a mean way, I mean that as in I tried to prepare everyone from getting their heart broken. If I can figure out how to post my vids I made on this I will if it's ok. Lots of love to you all. And just know that there is someone out there that can very much sympothize with you.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AlwaysHeather on June 26, 2012, 01:49:53 AM
 :bearhug:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AlwaysHeather on June 26, 2012, 02:12:46 AM
 :P
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AlwaysHeather on June 26, 2012, 02:20:22 AM
 :bearhug:
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: AlwaysHeather on June 26, 2012, 02:27:21 AM
 :P
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on June 26, 2012, 02:54:59 AM
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@ MJFAN7... I LOOOOOOVE that clip from Chandler. That's a reeeaaally good clip. He makes me laugh sooo hard. Thank you for posting it. I don't know how to post videos here seeings how im a little new. would love to know, I know this is a bit off topic. but just so all my basis are covered, I do know how people feel when they need to go away for a while. I almost did it myself here just a couple days ago. Not because I'm waiting for Michael to return but because f someone actually calling me stupid in my youtube messages. I realize I'm not as smart as most people but I do try very hard. Anyway I wont go off onto that. I feel for everyone who is r3eally down about all this. I have to say, with a sad hard, that I have felt for some time now that Michael would not return. I don't mean that in a bad way or a mean way, I mean that as in I tried to prepare everyone from getting their heart broken. If I can figure out how to post my vids I made on this I will if it's ok. Lots of love to you all. And just know that there is someone out there that can very much sympothize with you.

Hahaha, i LOVE friends. :)
and its easy to post a video from youtube. Copy the video's URL then do this code, but remove the star*

[youtube*]ENTER URL HERE[/youtube]
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: hesouttamylife on June 26, 2012, 09:39:05 AM
These will be my last posts for a while.  I’ll be reading however.   :abouttime: I started preparing for what’s to come leading into year 4.  Don’t you feel a stirring in the air?  Like a change is about to come?  Some reveal possibly?  Don’t know for better or worse, but I do feel something.  So I will be around here somewhere to experience what ever happens with my friends at this forum.  So as they say, let the games begin.  :icon_mrgreen:  It’s time.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 26, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
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These will be my last posts for a while.  I’ll be reading however.   :abouttime: I started preparing for what’s to come leading into year 4.  Don’t you feel a stirring in the air?  Like a change is about to come?  Some reveal possibly?  Don’t know for better or worse, but I do feel something.  So I will be around here somewhere to experience what ever happens with my friends at this forum.  So as they say, let the games begin.  :icon_mrgreen:  It’s time.
WOW. I am happy for you because you can feel something coming.
Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: diggyon on June 26, 2012, 01:29:27 PM
Sorry Souza,
i just hope you don't mind me writing this short post! It's your home after all!

I really didn't know that this thread exists, so I decided to write a very short message to an ex-member, a believer, that I really miss:
PureLove, hope you're doing fine, happy Hoax anniversary and wish you all the best.

Title: Re: The official "goodbye" thread
Post by: eternalflame on June 26, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
I have the strong feeling that a lot of you are still here... about 25 users and more than 150 guests every day... HELLO?!?? 8) :suspect:


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