Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Michael Jackson Forum => Random MJ Talk => Topic started by: Jamiee on December 09, 2009, 02:10:32 PM
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Do any of you guys ever see things like in the video below and actually get ANGRY with Michael??? Since Michael's "Death" i've been taking a lot of interest in PP&B (Prince,Prince & Blanket) and when I see things like the scene in this video with Paris clutching on to that crown for dear life as she and her brothers walk up to the casket, I get sooo upset with Michael for doing this. Of course when (if) he comes back i'll welcome him with open arms, but as of now...i'm very upset. And even if he is dead. How could he be so damn STUPID? How could he let an addiction get in the way of his duties of being a father?!?!?! UGH. Maybe this is just a stage of grief that I have to go through. Sometimes it's just so hard. :oops: :x
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Do any of you guys ever see things like in the video below and actually get ANGRY with Michael??? Since Michael's "Death" i've been taking a lot of interest in PP&B (Prince,Prince & Blanket) and when I see things like the scene in this video with Paris clutching on to that crown for dear life as she and her brothers walk up to the casket, I get sooo upset with Michael for doing this. Of course when (if) he comes back i'll welcome him with open arms, but as of now...i'm very upset. And even if he is dead. How could he be so damn STUPID? How could he let an addiction get in the way of his duties of being a father?!?!?! UGH. Maybe this is just a stage of grief that I have to go through. Sometimes it's just so hard. :oops: :x
[youtube:3a017l8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VPwl2Jnnzc[/youtube:3a017l8f]
I understand where you're coming from, I also have those feelings sometimes but i'm sure MJ knows what he's doing.
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I must be having a pessimist kind of day because when I watched the video all I could notice was how Paris was looking at the book and then noticed that the casket had arrived and closed it. I didn't see any real expression on her face except that it looked like she was bored there. Again I will say that maybe I am just flustered today and will see things differently tomorrow.
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I know I have been grieving the last few months, because I'm not completely convinced this is a hoax, and right now I think I'm in the angry stage. I find myself shouting out sometimes, "how could you be so stupid to orphan your children?!" Then I feel bad for saying it. :( Then I remind myself that he didn't really die. This hasn't been an easy road, and I just wish we knew for certain that he's alive.
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I never been angry with him. Dead or alive I can´t be angry with him. He did what he had to do and I trust him.
Why are you grieving? He´s not dead, remember.
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Thing is we do not know why he has done the hoax-we can only guess the different reasons but if he has am sure he will have explained to the children exactly why this had to be done and what he expected of them-maybe a sort of play acting. The alternative is if he is in fact dead then he will not be the only one ever to have taken risks with his life and left his children orphans, he isn't the first and by far he will not be the last. We all have weaknesses and are capable of addiction and am sure individuals in that position will not for a minute consider the worst. Where do you draw the line though? Does it mean that every parent who is killed in a car crash who perhaps went a little fast were thinking they would leave their children orphans? how many of you smoke who are a parent? Do you ever consider you will get lung cancer or a dreadful lung disease through smoking and make your children orphans? There are many more scenarios which could be avoidable that would orphan children. I understand the anger but where do you draw the line?
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Thing is we do not know why he has done the hoax-we can only guess the different reasons but if he has am sure he will have explained to the children exactly why this had to be done and what he expected of them-maybe a sort of play acting. The alternative is if he is in fact dead then he will not be the only one ever to have taken risks with his life and left his children orphans, he isn't the first and by far he will not be the last. We all have weaknesses and are capable of addiction and am sure individuals in that position will not for a minute consider the worst. Where do you draw the line though? Does it mean that every parent who is killed in a car crash who perhaps went a little fast were thinking they would leave their children orphans? how many of you smoke who are a parent? Do you ever consider you will get lung cancer or a dreadful lung disease through smoking and make your children orphans? There are many more scenarios which could be avoidable that would orphan children. I understand the anger but where do you draw the line?
Well said Harleyblonde, everyday we make reckless decisions, or take risks- not even once contemplating the possible outcome. Each and every one of us is susceptible to these dangers, so we have to stay unbiased and fair to Michael, because we do not yet know the premise behind his actions.
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Well I think having a third rate cardiologist, and not even an anesthesiologist, putting you to sleep every night with propofol is beyond normal reckless behavior. Michael wasn't stupid, surely he knew how terribly risky this was...especially since he is the only parent to his children. If he really killed himself this way, then heck yea I'm angry. But hopefully this isn't true at all and my emotions are for naught.
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what makes you all think that he left his children. think about that.
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Like HarleyBlonde, I think if this is a hoax, and the children are prepared, putting a crown on an empty casket is not really traumatizing. It's just like playing in a movie.
I find it worse if he really died and they made the children do that to provide a lovely symbol fo the public.
Now if he really died, how do you know that he died because of the addiction ?
We only have Murray's word to think so. He is the one who told that Michael was asking for more, and everybody took it for granted. If Michael really died, he cannot tell the truth anymore.
Maybe the IV was only to rehydrate him and nutrish him and someone (Murray or some other guy present in the house) injected the drug to kill him. Haven't you ever thought about that ?
I was amazed at seeing everyone taking for granted that Michael was asking for more drugs when all we have to believe it is the version of the man who killed him.
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I can honestly say I have NEVER been angry at Michael.
Whatever he did he has his reasons.
There is no way any one of us will ver understand what he has been through / is going through with this.
He is a human just like any of us and no one should have to live the life he did. Everyone deserves their privacy adn that was taken from him.
I have nothing but sympathy and love for Michael and that will never change.
I love you Michael... wherever you are. <3
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I had times when I felt like I hated his guts for dying on everyone who cared for him, family friends etc. but I knew it was irrational cause it's not like he killed himself or anything like that.
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I totally understand what everyone is saying because i have thought and felt all these things.
Especially today when you hear about the kids... i think.. Michael.. how could you have been so stupid as to leave your children like this and condemn them to the unhappy childhood that YOU so vehemently tried to avoid for them.
I also agree that if MJ had took Propofol willingly.. i think.. WHY? Michael, you were not stupid so why did you take that risk? WHY??!
The i think of the other scenarious... MJ didnt take Propofol willingly.... :?
Its getting harder for me to believe in the hoax for me at the moment. I feel i am disrespecting Michael for believing he would do this to his children and his fans. To give all this pain out.
And even if we think that Paris is acting in that video, when she puts a crown on the casket... would that not be traumatising for a child? To be asked to act and lie at her fathers funeral??? Would MJ really encourage his children to be liars?
It all just breaks my heart wide open.
(yes i am having an off day. :? )
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I am not angry with Michael i am angry at how he was treated
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I feel even more angry at how he was treated for the past 10 years than the death sometimes. I'm really in the middle with the hoax, I don't believe he would do this to his kids and the fans cause he knows how much he means to them. But if he did do it, it's for a good reason. I don't know if it's my denial or intuition keeping me numb or what, but I can no longer run in circles trying to figure out why I don't cry all the time like I thought I would cause it's mj, it's like the shock hasn't worn off like I don't want to believe it. I cry over the death cause society says it happens, but I don't see someone dead when I see him, though sometimes I do, it's like he's full of life.
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I understand i have felt angry before but NEVER at Michael just that the fact that whatever has happened it had to happen. I think of it like the old saying goes and I'm sure sum1 has posted it already "a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do" and this is surely what he may have had to do. If it's for his safety reasons you know then i can accept it that way i can't say I'm mad at him because if i had a walk in his shoes for just a day I probably wouldn't even make it i would have done it a long time ago :oops: ! I am more than sure that IF this is a hoax the kids know and are ready for what they have to do in all of this and this shows it :D .
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It is Ok if you are angry, people react differently to this trying situation. If that is what it takes to make you feel better, than do it, get it off of your chest, scream if you have to. Last night I just cried again and I must say I feel better and I am able to go forth again. My mind and heart has been refreshed and once again I am able to go and jump head first back into all of this madness once again. My genberal being keeps on saying, I need to know the truth.
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I am not angry with Michael i am angry at how he was treated
exactly.
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I get angry. I do get angry. Not because of the hoax only, there are other stuffs... I am angry with him real many times. But why do i get angry? Cause i love him. He has the power to make me feel this way. I get so angry sometimes that i even find myself screaming "i hate you Michael!" (yeah i know many are getting mad at me now). I don't know why this happens. I throw away the magazines, photos etc of his. I lock myself up in a dark room and scream and cry, cry out loud. Then again i feel a bit normal and look at his eyes and whisper "i can never hate you, i can never get angry with you, no matter how much i try."... This just happened yesterday. I can't explain it. I just get so irritated and frustrated, desperate sometimes. And i feel guilty. My friend says anger has been always the expression of my love so i should not worry because the one who i get most angry with is Michael, lol.
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I have been suffering from this for a long time but I can never hate him though I feel like it sometimes. A few weeks after the death this was happening and I felt so guilty cause I was like, he was murdered and it's not his fault, I felt angry with him for selfish reasons cause I wanted things my way, the truth is, I was angry at myself for not going out of my way to show him I loved him. I've been angry for years about the allegations, I used to feel like it was his fault he got accused again but I've let go of that now. I prayed so hard for this man for those two years of hell and cried so much for him and his kids, it drained me, I got even more depressed, I defended him, I took bullets for him. I had performed to him and everyone thought I was so cool for it, but one time someone made a boys joke about him that complimented me, I cried all night when I watched the tape on playback though I didn't hear it while up there. After it was over, I stopped the defending even though I still believed in him cause I was tired. I wanted my michael back, to come back and kick everyone's ass, maybe we killed him, I wish there was no this is it. It hurt me so much they did this to him when he hasn't done anything to anyone. Sometimes I wanted to just back away cause I felt like loving him hurt too much cause I saw my own pain through him and couldn't help it, in a lot of ways, he was like a mirror to me. But no matter what happened, if anyone called him a child molester or pedophile, my stomach would turn and I would go all quiet shunning them away and end up crying and crying and crying so hard wonder how in the hell anyone can do this to him and call him that, and get so mad that the media helped play a part in it. I even hate how with all the overexposure michael is getting, I would look at all the images and be reminded of all the name calling, insults, sad feelings etc. from over the years and get mad at these things playing over in my head and tell them to go away, it sickens me that society did this to him and ruined him for me. I love him so much, he has inspired me so much, helped me learn about myself and I want to tell everyone and kept it up for a long time but it eventually drained me out cause I'm very shy, insecure, too sensitive, defensive and it's almost like being in a relationship sometimes with a cycle. It's like I'm allowed to get mad at him but if anyone else insults him like that, I hate their guts and lose all respect for them. When my dad wasn't around, michael's music got me through it, when school sucked, I got so hyper off watching mj and the thought of seeing him someday, it was magical when I was younger and saw clips of him being so sweet to kids, I wanted to be one of those kids, but now I feel like I freaking hate kids and don't trust anyone and I used to love neverland and hate everything about it now cause he almost lost his life despite all the assets. But I love him so much and always will, and wherever he is, alive or dead, I hope he someday truly knows that and that if I had any hard feelings, it's cause I'm dealing with my own personal demons and too much has happened.
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Nah.. not feelin it.. sorry but ive never been angry at him.
One look in them eyes and my heart melts.
Closest ive ever got was
"DAMN IT MICHAEL WHY DO I HAVE TO LOVE YOU SO FRIGGIN MCUH!!!??!!!!" :evil:
haa.
:|
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His eyes do that to me too, look at him and start crying, wanting to hug him so bad cause I accept him flaws and all. I could relate to that beyonce song too
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His eyes do that to me too, look at him and start crying, wanting to hug him so bad cause I accept him flaws and all. I could relate to that beyonce song too
Ohh yeah... hes human! No human is perfect but hes about as close as youre gona get so live with it! I do! :D
Only bit i cant live with is him not being around.... :( :evil:
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I can't accept him being gone this way either, it really hurts, but feeling hopeful that he's alive is really helping me calm down now. I have never been down over a human being the way I have with michael and I have never been in love with a human being practically all to myself (close to it) the way I have with michael. So I know it's all for L.O.V.E. and I was there when things were bad, so it's real love. And even when I felt angry, the tears would come and I wanted nothing more than to hug him and be with him. Gosh I sound so obsessed, but no male has made me feel this way, it's going to be hard to find someone to measure up to him when I get mine :)
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I totally understand where you are coming from. I get angry quite a lot, to be honest, but never at Michael.
* I get mad at the people trashtalking him.
* I get mad at the people still calling him a child molester whilst there is so much evidence proving his innocence
* I get mad at people calling beLIEvers gullible idiots. I know it is a weird concept to think he is alive, but come on, there are so many fishy things going on here!
* I get mad at TMZ, feeding us conflicting stories
* I get mad at the family, feeding us conflicting stories
* I get mad because I don't KNOW, I only think, feel and believe
* I get mad at myself on the tough days when I just can't beLIEve and start thinking he's really gone
And then I realize that IF MJ did hoax his death, he had to do so for serious reasons and he owes me no explanation. And then I get mad again, because there is a possibility I will never get any answers.
Ignorance is bliss, that much I know.
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I get mad at the people calling him those horrible things he was accused of THE MOST, that I can not stomach at all
And I get so sick of the family for fucking around with us on things
And the stupid media for twisting things like he was at fault, assholes!
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I can't accept him being gone this way either, it really hurts, but feeling hopeful that he's alive is really helping me calm down now. I have never been down over a human being the way I have with michael and I have never been in love with a human being practically all to myself (close to it) the way I have with michael. So I know it's all for L.O.V.E. and I was there when things were bad, so it's real love. And even when I felt angry, the tears would come and I wanted nothing more than to hug him and be with him. Gosh I sound so obsessed, but no male has made me feel this way, it's going to be hard to find someone to measure up to him when I get mine :)
Yes i agree.
Because i am finding it hard to keep believing at the moment... and i wish i could go back in time and find him and hold him.
If he did take those drugs willingly, i would offer him help.. tough love. Tell him how it is. How he doesnt have to use them, that there is a World of love out there for him.. because i dont think he believed that there was this much love for him. That people accepted him for who he is.
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Do you think he was an addict? He was having trouble sleeping and he was at the hands of a doctor. It doesn't matter if he wanted them or not, that is not the question. But I feel you, I wish now that I met him instead of waiting for something like a concert to travel. I think he already knew he has loyal fans, the trial proved it to him more than anything.
And sometimes I realize it's not michael I'm angry at, but myself for being so hooked cause of all the pain and wishing for it to go away.
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@Greenmakeachange.. no i dont believe he was an addict. I know he was in the past, because he admitted it and went to rehab.
But i dont think he was addicted in 2009... i think he was chronically tired and an insomniac.. probably due to all the worry and pressure of the concerts... and he was trying to find a way out of that. I dont know whether he took Propofol willingly or not, or if he knew the risks to it or not... but i wish i could go back in time and tell him to stay away from any drugs and doctors.
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Yeah it's a natural part of grief, wishing you could have warned the person to not go down a road or go out that day or something like that. When we first thought it was cardiac arrest only and though I found it to be weird cause of no shows having been put on yet, I also thought of him just being tired and shutting down cause of all the pressure from joe too to do the jacksons tour and stupid people trying to sue him and rumors about his health and all that. I wish there was no This Is It, sometimes I feel selfish, very selfish for it too, wanting him back so bad and look what it led to.
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I had times when I felt like I hated his guts for dying on everyone who cared for him, family friends etc. but I knew it was irrational cause it's not like he killed himself or anything like that.
YAH! And it's not like he's remotely dead, either. :o :D :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Well I'm in the middle with whether he's really gone or not. The mind plays tricks on you when you don't know how to react to something as traumatic as this. I was mad at the whole world, God and myself, I was miserable with this and not thinking like myself or being myself and beating myself up for my feelings sometimes cause it was so out of character.
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He is not dead. He is not a drug addict. He was not murdered.
He is alive, and has something up his sleeve, which his clues have said it's all for love... that is such a broad subject, we can guess till we are dead and not KNOW for sure, until he comes back out and spills the details. He HAS to come back---he's laid way too much ground which makes no sense if he is not ever going to explain himself. Don't cry about him being dead, any more. He's NOT. Cry about whether or not he's really all we fell in love with or if it was ALL a Big Top Show.
Sometimes I think he is nuts. He is So brilliantly genius, that it is hard to guess what he's up to. He has been a practicing Magician for years and years. Probably 90% of everything we know about him is fabrication---hence , why he "feared all his life" that no one would love him for HIM SELF.
Why, because no one has ever SEEN his SELF. Now that's worth writing a book about!I know the music was real, just not certain about ANYTHING else. You know, he could really still be beautifully brown, for all we know. You can't believe ANYTHING when there is a magician in your midst. He said he didn't want to be a color, yet half his career that's ALL people talked about. Hmmmm....on purpose??
Misdirection? He said he was pure and innocent and lonely. Well, no guy admits he's lonely, especially publicly. IS he naughty or nice? Who the heck knows? He MADE himself up---probably TOTALLY.
What we think we know could ALL be fake and now we are about to meet the REAL one. :shock: :shock: :shock: Maybe this IS all to kill off the one he made up so the real one can breathe. We probably wouldn't even KNOW him if we saw him on the street!!!
Just thinking out loud....lack of contact makes one very paranoid. SO SORRY :roll:
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Oh trust me I've cried about everything when it comes to him
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Im not a all mad at MJ - He had very good reason for hoax his death, and what is it with this funeral - It looks like a movie; close ups, distance takes, and U can see several camera mens in this short clip. Kind of strange for a private funeral...
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I can honestly say I have NEVER been angry at Michael.
Whatever he did he has his reasons.
There is no way any one of us will ever understand what he has been through / is going through with this.
He is a human just like any of us and no one should have to live the life he did. Everyone deserves their privacy and that was taken from him.
I have nothing but sympathy and love for Michael and that will never change.
I love you Michael... wherever you are. <3
Agree with this completely.
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I can't accept him being gone this way either, it really hurts, but feeling hopeful that he's alive is really helping me calm down now. I have never been down over a human being the way I have with michael and I have never been in love with a human being practically all to myself (close to it) the way I have with michael. So I know it's all for L.O.V.E. and I was there when things were bad, so it's real love. And even when I felt angry, the tears would come and I wanted nothing more than to hug him and be with him. Gosh I sound so obsessed, but no male has made me feel this way, it's going to be hard to find someone to measure up to him when I get mine :)
Dont worry.. your not the only one,... I feel that way too.
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I have this problem...
Its not that I CANT believe he is still alive...
Its that Im scared to.
Incase he is really gone.
Its like setting myself up for the biggest let down... and I dont know if I could cope with that.
Thats why I wont say Im SURE he is alive.
I cant. :(
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No one is forcing you to believe he is alive, which is why I stick to being in the middle and try to keep an open mind.
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I've got to admit that I went through the angry stage a couple of weeks ago. I was angry at Michael and everything that was going on. It felt odd because I didn't want to hate him but I just felt like shouting "OK come out Michael this has gone on too long and people aren't coping very well now!"
I asked some of my 'MJ friends' if they felt the same and if what I was feeling was normal. As much as I love Michael I was just so very angry at him too. Turns out I wasn't the only one feeling that way.
If you DO feel angry towards him then don't feel bad about it. It will pass, I promise ;)
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I've had a mixture of everything since it happened, even vicious thoughts that weren't coming from me. Love does that to you, it does NOT make you a hater, and it's inappropriate of any fan to make another feel guilty for being human sometimes. But I'm not mad at him for "hiding" I'm not mad at all right now with him, it passed. But when I was mad, it was cause of being too hooked on him and really at myself for it. Anger is a normal part of grieving, someone even told me sometimes mother's who have infants that passed away go through a time where they hate their babies for doing this to them and start to resent them, I started crying hard when I was told that cause they are helpless, and michael was helpless too.
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my[KING]"]I am not angry with Michael i am angry at how he was treated
exactly.
I am very upset how MJ was treated in this world. That is what breaks my heart wide open! :( :( :( :( MJ, baby, I love you and miss with my whole being!
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I never been angry with him. Dead or alive I can´t be angry with him. He did what he had to do and I trust him.
Why are you grieving? He´s not dead, remember.
Agreed. Trust in Michael. He knows what he's doing. This isn't random it probably took MONTHS to organize the HOAX. Mike is the Man With A Plan :mrgreen:
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I have this problem...
Its not that I CANT believe he is still alive...
Its that Im scared to.
Incase he is really gone.
Its like setting myself up for the biggest let down... and I dont know if I could cope with that.
Thats why I wont say Im SURE he is alive.
I cant. :(
I understand how you feel. Some days i really doubt he is alive and I'm just another Elvis fan who can't accept his death. but I look at it like this. 50/50. No evidence proving he is dead but no CLEAR evidence He is alive either.
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Michael makes me angry with the O2-topic!!! :evil:
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I hope it's all for MOVIE...
This thought makes me feel better...
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I hope it's all for MOVIE...
This thought makes me feel better...
The DOME project ;)
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Yeah I was just crying and crying last night when I got into bed. Just thinking of MJ. But what baffles and makes me wonder if it really is a hoax is the legal issues of a hoax. We got the estate, MJ specials on T.V., Dvds being sold, personal items of MJ, the new record contract, I mean honestly I dont feel MJ would allow all of this to go on and we are already just about at June 25th again. :(
If he has hoaxed his death, Branca, Frank, Thome, Randy, Kenny, AEG? How about them? Would Mj be allowing all of this (I don;t feel he would Wouldn't it be too much of a risk? All the money taken into his esate, the interviews, all of that.
If he hoaxed I am ALWAYS wondering where could the most famous guy in the world actually go? I know before all of this MJ had been living a relativley low profile life. Honestly, I thought he had retired! Then when I heard about the concerts I was like Hugh? :?
All of this really does seem like a Horrid dream that you just can't seem to wake up from. I really don't feel MJ would come out after all of these things. Also if he did hoax this wouldn't the supposed bad guys have to be in on it? MJ would be afraid of coming out because the Media would have a field day mocking him. :(
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I dream about him a lot.
I think i need to changed the direction of my life as im just not feeling it anymore. I need more, but i dont know what more is. Michael has done this... he is my inspiration and my change, but also my destruction and my pain.
Im thinking more and more that he has died for real and the hoax has been a way of me coping with the loss.
i still cant believe Michael has gone and i am starting to think that Michael would not do this to his fans. There is too much pain out there still. Too many questions and too many lies... none of which are Michaels doing.
I dont believe in the doubles theory and i believe the real MJ was the O2 MJ... its rocked me. MJ didnt decieve and he didnt lie.. so why would i believe he would lie like this?
Sometime i think to myself... i wonder what i am doing... i have a good job. A job that helps people. But i am alone. I live lonely. What am i doing this for?
I have thought of leaving.. but where to? The only place i want to go to right now is Michaels house.. but he isnt at Neverland anymore. There is nowhere for me to go. Michael has gone forever and i have no chance now of telling him what he meant to me.
I have thought of ending it all, but i dont have either the courage or the stupidity.
So i carry on with my pain. I live it every day in dudgery.
I kmow i will never marry and have children. I know i am destined for loneliness.
I am sorry Michael. I understand you more than you will ever know. But i never made the effort to meet you and tell you that. And for that i will be in internal pain.
I love you more.
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Oh God! The scenario of the IV being used to hydrate MJ & someone slipping the drug in there to kill him is a plausible thing! It's scary...I am going to get it out of my head for right now, I so badly want to believe he is alive. & I have days like this too where I feel angry at MJ if he was in fact taking propofol, angry at Dr. Murray for agreeing to give it to him, angry at the family for not trying harder, angry at the world just for hating him, angry at myself for being angry at MJ & angry if he wasn't an addict but was murdered. He seemed well aware of who was against him & what they wanted from him & seemed smart enough to know not to use certain drugs,etc. Also he loved his children dearly which all makes me hopeful that it's a hoax. It's definitely hard though :?
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I want to fucking get drunk when I try to imagine the scenario so I immediately think of something else now.