Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

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Title: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 08, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
Hello! This is my first post on the new forum :)
I wanted to bring up the short sneak peak to the song "A place without no name".

My story: I was vacationing in Europe and arrived June 25th after an over night flight from the U.S. It was my 18th birthday... I found out the next morning wich was the 26th I believe and the first thing I hear after wake, is "Michael Jackson is dead" Depressing I know :( I spend a lot of time on the internet where I found the hoax death websites, The internet was my only source to news, mainly Google: Michael Jackson (click on News) and it's through all the things online that I never got to see all the dramatic footage and memorials on TV that I would see in the U.S until much later on. Imediatly I questioned some of the thins I saw, One of the first ideas I had was that Michael couldnt be dead, but that he had a terminally ill look a like, and hey, this guy didnt even have to be able to sing and dance :P just look! I researched also Vitiligo, My cousin has this disease and I looked into the treatments that WebMD has. Just on a simple website like that they explain the treatments.. Imagine the list of treatments.. lets say.. 20 years ago.. exactly :) I dont think he took pills or bleached but I do think he under went treatment called Skin Depigmentaion, where rather than beeing patchy and spotty your all one shade and color, from Dalmation to a white dog I guess.. So it doesnt sound to far fetched that someone went through surgery and skin depigmentation so his family could live a financially stable life after their father passed.. but I digres, that was just an Idea... And then this came out:

[YouTube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPapu7eEcQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPapu7eEcQ)[/YouTube]

A place with no name, It was like he was yelling to us a clue..
I just wanted to share my story and mainly show the two versions of the song.
In the non Acapella version you hear the same harmonizing effect (taaaakkkeee meeee tooo a place) used in "you rock my world"(at the end "someone like yoooouuuu to call mine" [is that  the lyric :P ] ) while the Acapella just sounds natural MJ :)
Hopefully some of the great investigators can analyze the lyrics a little more deeper, I just want to call this into attention :P

I hope I didnt waste your time :P I like to go off topic a lot XD
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 08, 2009, 03:09:22 PM
Strange lyrics in the song, released shortly after his 'death'....
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: liegi on December 08, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
I have always thought this was an important clue. Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on December 08, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
Does anybody knows when did Michael recorded that song?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 08, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
Just trying to help everyone out by reminding :) and tell my story :P I've never expressed it :/

I found this though, America ( who sang a horse with no name) responded after
http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i ... h-no-name/ (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/07/20/america-respond-to-michael-jacksons-a-place-with-no-name/)

I think I read that Mike got the permission back in the 70's or something to do it.. Not sure.. but judging by the sound.. I would say its late 90's or 2000's it has similar quality's to that used in Invincible.

Listen to it.. you think that would have been in off the wall? :P
Also it COULD be that he recorded the acapella.. and someone later remastered it.. only to leak a 24 second clip. so many questions un answered :(

EDIT: http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/07/17/new- ... h-no-name/ (http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/07/17/new-michael-jackson-song-place-with-no-name/)

They shared managers at one point.. :/ maybe its old.. and just a coincidence..
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Infinitylady on December 08, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
The title itself makes me wonder if he was trying to give off a hint.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 08, 2009, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: "Infinitylady"
The title itself makes me wonder if he was trying to give off a hint.
Right?! its soo suspicious and the timing doesn't help!

Although.. its not proper english... which makes it stranger.. it should be; A place with no name, not without no name, its a oxymoron in a way.. unless of course its some sort of message ;)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Infinitylady on December 08, 2009, 05:31:55 PM
maybe a place he didn't want others to know where he would actually be that was probably why he may have written it that way.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: sosh on December 09, 2009, 05:24:00 AM
Maybe I missed it, but besides that small 30 second fragment, I haven't heard from this song lately. Is it going to be released or is it just to keep us busy thinking it's a clue?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: liegi on December 09, 2009, 05:50:55 AM
It was released (along with the Pepsi commercial) right after his death.  They were the two biggest clues at that time.  The Pepsi commercial gives us the reason for the drug use and the Place without No Name ..... what do you think? I think it's where he is--he wanted to disappear. But this contradicts the film and what Kenny Ortega and AEG want us to believe.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: CC on December 09, 2009, 06:36:05 AM
Quote from: "Infinitylady"
maybe a place he didn't want others to know where he would actually be that was probably why he may have written it that way.

I THINK THAT WITHOUT NO NAME IS IN FACT A PLACE WITH A NAME, A PLACE WHO WE KNOW, EVENTUALLY... :roll:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 09, 2009, 10:39:27 PM
If you haven't heard it yet, here it is; [YouTube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPapu7eEcQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPapu7eEcQ)[/YouTube]

I remember European Radio Station even playing it and explaining it during updates and news periods.

I have a feeling, this place with no name, is some Island somewhere where him, his kids, and Liz are all relaxing, maybe somewhere with little to no sunlight.. ;)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Melzy777 on December 10, 2009, 02:39:35 AM
Quote from: "liegi"
It was released (along with the Pepsi commercial) right after his death.  They were the two biggest clues at that time.  The Pepsi commercial gives us the reason for the drug use and the Place without No Name ..... what do you think? I think it's where he is--he wanted to disappear. But this contradicts the film and what Kenny Ortega and AEG want us to believe.
That's what I remember too, and my "this is suss" button was triggered.

The original song, Horse with no name, by America is about escapism.  
"I've been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain "

Some speculate it was written about heroin, which was referred to as "horse". But, the songwriter says  "The anonymous horse was a vehicle to get me away from all the confusion and chaos of life to a peaceful, quiet place"  The meanings are much the same anyway.. I won't go further into that here.. But basically - the rain is reality. The desert is a mirage. A mirage is an illusion. It's an optical trick. What you see isn't necessarily real.
So, then when I listen to Michaels version,
"She said "Don't you worry my friend, I'll take care, take my hand, I'll take you there. Ohhhoohh..
Take me to a place without no name. Take me to a place without no name.
"
Still sounds like someone wanting to get away from it all, doesn't it? hmmm..

But, then when I look up the lyrics why do I get a different sets of lyrics?
http://www.metrolyrics.com/a-place-with ... ckson.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/a-place-with-no-name-lyrics-michael-jackson.html)
Every morning sun would rise
Every night stars would come
Every second we breathe oxygen
I just wanna tell you there is
A place with no name that's why I need you

I always dream that I could fly up high
But is just an imagination but you know
That I'll be there for you just tell me that you love me
No need to cry I'm always in your heart
Tell me that is no place like no name

You are my world with lots of flower
I just wanna tell you there is
A place with no name that's why I need you..

What's that about?? And what ever happened to a full version release?  :?:  :!:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: topsecretgirl on December 10, 2009, 02:42:14 PM
I've listened to this song once and now it is stuck in my head!! I keep singing it all day long !! I love it!! :D
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: MJhunny on December 10, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
he's gone into anonymity, for whatever reason
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 10, 2009, 06:03:44 PM
It's a bit outside the box, but at the moment isn't "Neverland" un-named, they are changing the name of it, Could the place be Neverland where he is hiding?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Okay Annie on December 10, 2009, 07:24:20 PM
I was wondering about this myself. It would be the last place anyone would expect him to be.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: CC on December 10, 2009, 09:27:25 PM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
It's a bit outside the box, but at the moment isn't "Neverland" un-named, they are changing the name of it, Could the place be Neverland where he is hiding?
THIS IS A GOOD POINT!
I ALWAYS BELIEVE HE IS AT NEVERLAND, OR THIS PLACE WITHOUT NO NAME...
AND WITHOUT -NO NAME IS A PLACE WITH NAME?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 15, 2009, 03:06:08 PM
I doubt he would be at neverland.. I mean its still a tourist attraction for fans and people in the area to see. it would be to risky, to have cars of employees coming in and out to get food. I think we could tell if it was inhabited.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: ShowEmHowFunky on December 15, 2009, 03:18:36 PM
He's at Neverland!

Lets go rush the gates and look for him  :D

They used all that concrete for an underground bunker and he's hiding in it eating cans of spam and drinking bottled water  :lol:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: XspeechlessX on December 15, 2009, 04:35:33 PM
Quote from: "chrisman"
Quote from: "Infinitylady"
The title itself makes me wonder if he was trying to give off a hint.
Right?! its soo suspicious and the timing doesn't help!

Although.. its not proper english... which makes it stranger.. it should be; A place with no name, not without no name, its a oxymoron in a way.. unless of course its some sort of message ;)

yeah... i mean they say he has hundreds of unreleased songs.. so why this one first ?
Why not release another first??

L.O.V.E
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: q0txciityl0ve on December 15, 2009, 04:41:51 PM
love your thoughts, chrisman! welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: MJhunny on December 15, 2009, 04:46:01 PM
hey whaddya know: :shock:

NAMELESS -- This little community's ironic name is part of its charm.

Located in a rural area in the edge of Jackson County and having a population of around 200, it makes Mayberry look like a city. And that's how everyone wants it to stay, a vision from yesteryear.



Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/tennesse ... z0cd4tktFN (http://www.city-data.com/forum/tennessee/331947-news-no-place-like-nameless.html#ixzz0cd4tktFN)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: MJsForever on December 15, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
ummm.... I keep thinking of the place he purchased in Maryland in 07 in "St. Michael's" Maryland.....
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 15, 2009, 10:15:02 PM
Where is the last place you would think of looking for Michael if you thought he was hiding?
Neverland, u think it too obvious, but that could be is point, he's kept it simple, he threw a couple of decoys saying he'd never live there again, but it is NEVERland.
The line from Threatened "Never Neverland's the place" is that a major clue?
You say that it is still visited by fans, what is to stop Mike being disguised and actually walking round with visitors?

The more ideas we come up with, one has got to be correct.

Where Are You Michael??  :roll:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: tiida11 on December 16, 2009, 01:19:53 AM
Neverland is the best place where Michael could hide. It's still in the family's property, it's far away enough of the media eyes and it's Michael's house/home. Don't you think?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: q0txciityl0ve on December 16, 2009, 01:25:17 AM
don't tourists still visit Neverland? if they do, it'd be difficult for him to keep away from them.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: chrisman on December 16, 2009, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: "q0txciityl0ve"
love your thoughts, chrisman! welcome to the forum!
Thankyou for the warm welcome :) I hope I can further contribute, as soon as Finals are over XD
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 16, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
He could have a disguise??

Magic tricks are actually things done right under your nose, that you do not notice or see. This is ALL an illusion.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: mjboogie on December 16, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
Didn't MJ purchase an island somewheres in Bahrain? Right? I think he would be somewhere where fans would not stake out. Some people speculate Encino.... at Momma Katherines. But nahhhhhh fans would be there, Neverland I say no as well ( Well known place for fans) but somewhere according to the climate ( Mj's skin). ALso I remember reading somewhere where MJ went to Utah for a bit and nobody ever knew he was there! Does anyone remember this? Or can find the article!  Could be Bahrain or Ireland. But then again.... due to the fact that MJ was known all over the world... well.... who knows? But I still say Bahrain because he went there before for a while! Nobody knew it right?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: JENNYAPPLEHEAD on December 17, 2009, 12:12:34 AM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
It's a bit outside the box, but at the moment isn't "Neverland" un-named, they are changing the name of it, Could the place be Neverland where he is hiding?


YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH :lol:

I was going to write it and then I saw this. I have said all along that that is where he is hiding...

We need to keep and eye on Neverland (or whatever its called at the moment)LOL
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: hope on December 17, 2009, 12:21:40 AM
Mmmm, I've kinda thought he might be at Elizabeths. She lives only 10 miles from Havenhurst (close to his babies). Plus...she doesn't put up with any bulls_ _ _ from paps or anyone.  :D
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: XspeechlessX on December 17, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
Quote from: "ShowEmHowFunky"
He's at Neverland!

Lets go rush the gates and look for him  :D

They used all that concrete for an underground bunker and he's hiding in it eating cans of spam and drinking bottled water  :lol:

Nahh... fried chicken without the skin...
...makes it organic  ;)

 :lol:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: MJloveyou on December 17, 2009, 04:21:52 PM
But did they release the whole song or only that small part..?
I love the song! I want it! I searched for it for a while but I cant find it.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Infinitylady on December 17, 2009, 04:24:11 PM
Quote
ummm.... I keep thinking of the place he purchased in Maryland in 07 in "St. Michael's" Maryland.....

Yeah, I remembered reading or hearing somewhere that he did purchase property in MD.  Wow! I am about 1-2 hours away from the state of MD.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Kirsche on December 17, 2009, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: "MJloveyou"
But did they release the whole song or only that small part..?
I love the song! I want it! I searched for it for a while but I cant find it.


no, I think they released just this short part of it...Don't know why...straaaaange  :P
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Dancing_Machine on December 17, 2009, 06:43:39 PM
A place without no name
'Without no' is a double negative. During maths I learned as a kid that  - and - makes a +.
So it's a place WITH a name (means the same as a place without no name)   .

Sorry for my bad english, it's not even my second language.  :lol:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: q0txciityl0ve on December 17, 2009, 06:49:49 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
A place without no name
'Without no' is a double negative. During maths I learned as a kid that  - and - makes a +.
So it's a place WITH a name (means the same as a place without no name)   .

Sorry for my bad english, it's not even my second language.  :lol:

don't be sorry, it's perfect the way you said it. yes, it is a double negative.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Dancing_Machine on December 17, 2009, 06:53:01 PM
Quote from: "q0txciityl0ve"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
A place without no name
'Without no' is a double negative. During maths I learned as a kid that  - and - makes a +.
So it's a place WITH a name (means the same as a place without no name)   .

Sorry for my bad english, it's not even my second language.  :lol:

don't be sorry, it's perfect the way you said it. yes, it is a double negative.

Haha ok thanks.
I'm very bad with languages. I speak Moroccan and Dutch daily, and I only speak English from time to time at work or as a joke with friends and family :D

But do you see my point regarding to the song. So it has to be a place we already I think.
A place where he can live in safety (I guess with his mother)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: q0txciityl0ve on December 17, 2009, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "q0txciityl0ve"
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
A place without no name
'Without no' is a double negative. During maths I learned as a kid that  - and - makes a +.
So it's a place WITH a name (means the same as a place without no name)   .

Sorry for my bad english, it's not even my second language.  :lol:

don't be sorry, it's perfect the way you said it. yes, it is a double negative.

Haha ok thanks.
I'm very bad with languages. I speak Moroccan and Dutch daily, and I only speak English from time to time at work or a joke with friend and family :D

But do you see my point regarding to the song. So it has to be a place we already I think.
A place where he can live in safety (I guess with his mother)


you got it, don't worry ;)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Infinitylady on December 17, 2009, 06:55:02 PM
U know there is another island where many famous people go to. I was on a conference call one night they were talking about this particular island. I have to find out the name of it. All I know it starts with a "M". I am trying to think of it. I think it's called Marianna Islands? ??? I may be wrong. But I have heard a lit about this place. Some of the people mentioned that once they get their return on their investments they were moving out of the US to go their to live for their retirement.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: ForstAMoon on December 17, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
i think he made some investments in the "Palm Island" in Dubai. Looking at what has happend to this island-project and Dubai recently, not the best of his investments i guess.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 18, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
I think for Michael to have the biggest impact, he would be at Neverland, so when/if he does come back, he can say to the press, "How "Rubbish" were you, i was alive under your noses all the time!"  8-)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: mjboogie on December 18, 2009, 09:29:19 PM
I thought Neverland was sold right? Why would he be in Neverland? I think Neverland is just too well known for MJ to be there? Also fans still camp out? Well maybe not now but..... I don't think Neverland. A place with no name so definitley not Neverland.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: q0txciityl0ve on December 18, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: "mjboogie"
I thought Neverland was sold right? Why would he be in Neverland? I think Neverland is just too well known for MJ to be there? Also fans still camp out? Well maybe not now but..... I don't think Neverland. A place with no name so definitley not Neverland.

that's what i thought. fans mgiht still be visiting Neverland. i don't think Michael would risk being seen.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: thecheetoman2004 on December 18, 2009, 09:54:51 PM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
I think for Michael to have the biggest impact, he would be at Neverland, so when/if he does come back, he can say to the press, "How "Rubbish" were you, i was alive under your noses all the time!"  8-)

I agree. How cool would that be:

Michael comes back, reveals he had been hiding in Neverland the ENTIRE time. The media would be like  :o and they'd feel really stupid.

I think he is hiding somewhere right under our noses. The places I think he could be hiding:

1. the Encino Compound
2. Neverland
3. Elizabeth Taylor's home (?)
4. Bahrain
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 25, 2009, 06:02:59 PM
Let me add another one to that list... With Diana Ross.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: techdiva on January 01, 2010, 04:03:33 PM
I also thought he might be at Neverland. Also, I thought about Holmesby Hill address. I know Christian Audigar purchase the property. He said he would only open it on the anniversary of MJ's death. Christian and MJ were friends. I think he purchased that property for MJ. He could be there IMO.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Sarahli on January 01, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
On TMZ I remember that they released an "exclusive" news about a house Michael really wanted to buy, it was released on 28th October:

"TMZ has learned Michael Jackson was involved in negotiations to buy a $38 million 15 bedroom, 16.5 bath Bel Air mansion just before he died, and the deal was 7 years in the making.
Sources connected to the situation tell us MJ fell in love with the 18,020 square foot estate back in 2001 and actually entered into escrow -- but the deal fell through because Jackson ultimately couldn't afford the place.
But recently, Michael was trying to work out a new deal with the owners in the hopes of coming into enough cash to score the place after his "This Is It" concert series in England.
A source tells TMZ: "Jackson brought his kids to see the house and they fell in love with it ... They begged him to buy it."
The kids' favorite part ? We're told they were all fired up about a secluded area under the house which was nicknamed the "Bat Cave."
Sources say Jackson had hoped to use the land to recreate as much of Neverland as he legally could, but as we all know ... he never got the chance. "


Maybe Michael finally bought it, who knows  ;) if you go on TMZ you can see photos taken from a camera in the house and see Michael in visit  http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/page/7/ (http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/page/7/)

I really find this house magnificent, I sometimes go on this site to see it again as I also felt in love with that place. You can see it there http://www.belaircompound.com/ (http://www.belaircompound.com/)
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: Infinitylady on January 11, 2010, 03:41:08 PM
Quote
Whew! OMgoodness! The house is breathtaking girl. My God! The music just made it even more ....wow! gorgeous!!  :D
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Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on January 13, 2010, 07:31:52 AM
Hey guys, just had a thought, could this song be actually a clue to the hoax burial??

Take me to a place without no name, isn't he allegedly buried in a crypt with no name?  :roll:
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: techdiva on January 13, 2010, 07:42:35 AM
That's a very good thought.  More and more I am learning MJ is sending clues through his music.  It's up to us to figure it out and get it right.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: liegi on January 13, 2010, 08:12:58 AM
Wow! That was a great idea.  I have always thought this was a major clue. Also the Pepsi commercial (what does that mean?).
I am having trouble posting and reading--503 error.
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: techdiva on January 13, 2010, 09:05:18 AM
Yeah, I had the same problem. I had to refresh and I was able to post.  I saw a video about the Pepsi commercial. They said " Did you notice how the screen went white just before MJ goes down the stairs?" I am going to have to search the video about the Pepsi commercial.  You are right about the Pepsi commerical, there are some clues.  Why would it be release after all this time?
Title: Re: A place without no name
Post by: susie_23 on January 13, 2010, 11:02:26 AM
He bought a place HERE?! In MD?!
I remember Michael wanted to buy a house here on Maryland's Eastern Shore; I don't know if he ever did.
Oh, how angry I'll be if he's been a two hour drive from me this whole time!
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