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TIAI Update #5d: DO you Think 4 your Self?
May 19, 2010, 09:07:17 PM
TIAI Update #5d: DO you Think 4 your Self?


5-9. Statistics and Opportunities of a Coincidence

There were many very positive responses to the hoax numerology and timing, described in Update #4 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}; however, as might be expected, there have been a few comments against the numerology.  So this section will be a response to the arguments used against the hoax numbers.

First of all: is numerology inherently evil, or is it something that can be used either for good or for evil (like almost everything else that exists)?  The occult, the Illuminati, and other evil powers use numerology; but this doesn’t make it evil, anymore than their usage of letters and words makes the alphabet inherently evil.  God gave us all a brain, and He expects us to use our intellectual talents to understand why things are good or evil—not just mindlessly label something as evil, without any reason (see Isaiah 1:18; Hebrews 5:11-14; 1 Peter 3:15; etc).

For those who believe the Bible, there is no question that numerology can be used for good.  Even the infamous number 666 does not always represent evil (see Ezra 2:13).  Furthermore, the 666 number comes from the Bible; and even though the number refers to an evil beast, yet it is the Bible—NOT the beast—that uses numerology here to communicate a message (a message of warning about the beast).  “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” (Revelation 13:18).  The Bible also has a lot of other numerology in it, especially in the books of Revelation and Daniel.

Shortly after Update #4, one thread said that MJ was a star, not a mathematician; therefore this is not a hoax, MJ is dead.  But although he’s not a professional mathematician, yet he is a genius; and no doubt he can understand the math, especially since in this case the math is quite simple.  The hoax numerology and timing is very complex in the planning, and also the execution.  Yet the calculation of it is very simple—on an elementary school level, which many children could do with a pen and paper (or some could even do in their head).  And anyone who can operate a simple calculator can easily calculate the hoax math.

Furthermore, somebody had to plan all the numbers and timing—the only question is whether it was planned for a hoax, a murder, or a suicide.  These things have been examined in previous updates; but many are still wavering, so we’re going to look at it again with some new details (in 5-10, below).

Another idea was that MJ wouldn’t go to all this trouble planning and executing the numerology and timing, just for the sake of a few hoax believers.  However, you could say the same thing about all the other hoax clues.  The fact is that Gilda, the numbers, and the other clues are not merely for believers now; they are especially for convincing the general public at the right time, so that they will realize that it was all planned in advance.  Then when MJ comes back: it will be very hard to claim that the real MJ is dead, and the bam MJ is just a double.

There was also an objection to the idea that the 911 call was planned for a specific time (12:21 = December 21, 2012); it was claimed that you couldn’t plan it for an exact minute, because the line might be busy.  But 911 is not busy very often; and even if it had been busy the first try, there was nearly a whole minute left to hang up and dial again.

This is why the call was placed just a few seconds after 12:21—you wouldn’t want to call one second early, or it would still be 12:20; but you wouldn’t want to wait until 12:21 and 30 seconds either, or that would reduce the time left in the minute (before 12:22) to hang up and keep trying just in case it was busy.  So 12:21 and 4 seconds fits very well, with the 911 caller waiting for a second or two after 12:21—and then pushing a 911 speed-dial button {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

Another objection was the usage of 1 + 998 = 999.  True, it’s not normal to add the first digit to the last digit(s); however, this same process also works with 1776 (1 + 776 = 777), and even 1221 (1 + 221 = 222).

Also, if this process was the only method to arrive at 999 from 1998, then I agree that it would be going out on a limb.  However, this method was only one of many ways to show that 1998 refers to 9-9-09 and the hoax: 1998 / 2 = 999; the Dangerous formula (1998 - 666 = 1332, / 4 = 333, + 666 = 999); 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; 1998 & 999 in the title, “THIS IS IT”; movie poster on 9-9-09; autopsy finalized on 9-9-09; Elvis is alive in “Finding Graceland” film, by Priscilla Presley, in 1998 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}; etc.

And speaking of Elvis, there is also numerology and timing with his death date: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001.  This is the name of a film, which had the same music that Elvis used to open his concerts {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  It is unlikely that this was just chance.  However, it’s far more likely for this to happen by chance, than for all the MJ numbers to be an unplanned colossal coincidence.

In fact, in order to better understand whether or not something is likely to happen by chance, let’s take a (relatively) brief look at the statistical odds and opportunities of a coincidence.  This may be a little heavy for those who are not fond of math; but if you have trouble following it, ask a math teacher or a friend who is good at math to verify these concepts.

For a relatively simple example: let’s first look at the odds of rolling a pair of dice, and having them both come up with 1 (snake eyes).  If you have only one die, there are 6 different possibilities (1,2,3,4,5,6); this means you would have 1 chance in 6 of rolling a 1.  But with a pair of dice: you do not have merely 12 chances (6 plus 6), instead you have 36 chances (6 times 6).  Please, remember that for more than one thing to happen by coincidence, you must multiply the possibilities (not add them).  See the table below, for all 36 possibilities on a pair of dice.

1,1 - 2,1 - 3,1 - 4,1 - 5,1 - 6,1
1,2 - 2,2 - 3,2 - 4,2 - 5,2 - 6,2
1,3 - 2,3 - 3,3 - 4,3 - 5,3 - 6,3
1,4 - 2,4 - 3,4 - 4,4 - 5,4 - 6,4
1,5 - 2,5 - 3,5 - 4,5 - 5,5 - 6,5
1,6 - 2,6 - 3,6 - 4,6 - 5,6 - 6,6

However, we must not forget (as many do) the opportunities of a coincidence.  In other words, if you rolled the pair of dice once, it’s possible but not likely that you would get snake eyes on the first roll.  But if you increase the opportunities to several hundred (you keep rolling the dice over and over, for hours): then it is almost certain that the 1-chance-in-36 possibility will actually occur strictly by chance.

In the real world, things rarely operate as simple as a pair of dice: with 6 distinctly different outcomes, all sharing equal probability of any particular outcome.  Say for example if the dice had lead weights on one side of them, in that case they would tend to land one way up more frequently (on the average) than another way up.  Factors such as this are usually involved in real world events, and the result is that it can be very difficult or impossible to calculate the exact statistical odds for a certain event to happen by sheer coincidence.  Nevertheless, the exact odds don’t need to be known, in order to determine whether something really did happen by random chance—or by intelligent design.

For a somewhat simple specific example, what are the odds that the 911 call timing was just chance (12:21 and 4 seconds)?  The exact second was not important, but it was important to call shortly after the minute (to give more time for redial, if necessary).  This means that if the call came in more than 10 seconds after the minute, then maybe the caller was not waiting to call right after the start of the minute.  Since there is 60 seconds in a minute, then there is about 1 chance in 6 that the call came in by coincidence during those first 10 seconds.

Far more significant, is the odds that the hour and minute was 12:21, and not some other time.  There are 24 hours in a day, and 60 minutes in each hour; this means that there was one chance in 1,440 that the 911 call was placed at 12:21, and not some other time.

Yet we must not forget the opportunities factor.  It would be possible for a 911 emergency called to be placed at 12:21 AM (although in that case, it might be published as 00:21); with 2 opportunities, we divide 1,440 in half and now it’s 1 chance in 720.  Then we multiply the odds of the seconds, from above: 720 x 6 = 4,320.  So even without any of the other MJ “death” numerology timing: just the 911 call alone has only 1 chance in 4,320 that the timing was coincidence, and not planned!

To be honest, though, we must recognize that 12:21 is not the only time of day which could’ve happened by chance—and yet be a significant number related to MJ and his “death”.  For example, 11:05 could’ve represented November 5 (V for Vendetta); so this is yet another opportunity for a coincidence.

However, 1,105 is not a multiple of 111 like 1,221 (and the rest of the hoax numerology).  Further, although there are interesting parallels in the “V” movie {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}—yet the 2012 movie (12-21 2012) is the one with the “Jackson” character, and they thought he was dead (but he was alive), and also it’s the movie with the four more years (from 2009) that MJ mentioned in TII {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Many think the four years would end in 2013; but this is another example of inclusive reckoning, you round up and count part of a year as one year: 2009 (1), 2010 (2), 2011 (3), 2012 (4).

Most other important hoax numbers do not exist on the clock: 7:77, 9:99, 17:76, 19:98.  The basic hoax number would be pretty good, 1:11; however, even this is not as good as 12:21.  The TII movie length is 111 minutes.  You can’t have the film be 1,221 minutes long; so if both the 911 call and the TII film were 111, then one of the most important numbers in the hoax (12-21, end of the world) would be missing.  Also, 1:11 (911 call) and 3:16 (death time, 2 hours & 5 minutes later on June 25) would not make 777, like 12:21 and 2:26 {see 4-24, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

So even though we have a few other opportunities for a nice number by coincidence, 12:21 (and a few seconds) is the ideal time if it was planned.  So again, there is 1 chance 4,320 that this 911 call came in at the ideal time by coincidence, and not by plan.

But this is just one of the numerous hoax numbers.  To keep this from getting any longer, we’ll skip calculating the rest of the timing numerology, such as: 111 (minutes in TII); 777 in 12:21 (911 call) and 2:26 (death); 777 in memorial (on a full moon); 777 in death and burial (to 9-9-09); 9-9-09 for autopsy finalized, and TII poster (and movie 7 weeks later); 999 in THIS IS IT (vowels); 1998 in HIS (backwards); 1998 on Dangerous cover, and several autographs; etc.

What are the odds that all of these things happened by coincidence, and not by plan?  You would need to calculate each one separately (like the 12:21 odds, above); then you would have to multiply each separate answer.  The odds are no doubt in trillions or more!  To make it even clearer, for those who want to say that this is all coincidence: there is only one chance that they are right, and trillions of chances that they are wrong.

Yes, MJ planned the numerology and timing so thoroughly, that it cannot possibly be refuted.  It is bullet-proof.  Try it, and see.  Challenge a mathematician or statistician to show that this could’ve possibly all been random chance; they can’t do it!  In fact, trying to discredit it will only make it more powerful.  The beauty of truth is that it can stand up to any and all opposition!

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5-10. Hoax, Accident, Murder, or Suicide?

Speaking of truth: some have questioned why the TIAI information is cold or mechanical, and not very flowery or intimate; and a similar question has been asked, why I don’t respond to PM’s, etc.  When the time is right, the reasons for these things will be very clear.  Yet to a certain extent, I will attempt to explain (or re-explain) these things now; and then more fully, at the right time.

I already spend a very large amount of time on the redirects and updates, etc.  So I really don’t have time left to communicate on other levels, as well (PM, e-mail, etc); sorry, but that’s just the way that it is (at least for now).

If the information comes across as cold: please recognize that it is cold in the sense of being cold-hard evidence, but not coming from a cold or hard heart.  In fact, although I have complimented numerous people by name (or username) in this forum and elsewhere: I have never once mentioned any forum member by name in a negative context.  At times, I have responded to specific complaints, etc; but in those cases, I have not given any name (or link to the statement that I am responding to).  I have done this because I’m not here to hurt anyone’s feelings; I’m only here to defend truth.

Since this website is for MJDH INVESTIGATORS: I do my best to provide cold-hard tangible evidence for the sake of investigation—not for the sake of exhilaration!  If investigation leads to truth which makes you happy, that’s great!  But consider it as a bonus, and not the ultimate purpose.  The ultimate purpose for genuine investigation is to find out the truth—regardless of whether the truth you find makes you happy or sad, etc.

In fact, many non-believers have accused us of thinking that MJ is alive merely because we are in denial, and don’t want to accept that he is dead.  But if we are real investigators, then our feelings should not get in the way of our investigation.  We should want to know if he is really dead; and if he’s really alive, then we should be able to back it up with cold-hard facts, not mere wishful fantasies.

This is why the information that I provide is, for the most part, cold-hard evidence.  In fact, beware of anyone who tries to convince you of anything whatsoever (whether related to MJ or not)—based primarily upon warm fuzzies, and not upon good solid evidence.  Personally, I never have and never will try to convince you of anything, without some fairly strong evidence to back it up.

And this is why I have spent a lot of time on the hoax numerology.  It may seem cold, dry, and mechanical; but it is tangible evidence, that you can sink your teeth into.  It is positively not based upon feelings; and at least for those who understand statistics, it is a category of hard evidence stands head and shoulders above all of the other evidence.  As stated in the title of Update #4, it truly is the “Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder”.

One idea expressed against the numerology was that the numbers are not what we should focus on; rather, we should focus on the real good clues like “pains” in the memorial.  This person most likely has not spent years in music production.  If this was a murder plot: it would be very easy to edit the “s” sound into the audio.  We could even do it back in the analogue days, when everything was on tape; but now with computers and digital, it’s a thousand times easier.

The “s” may be evidence that something is strange; but it isn’t the least evidence against murder.  And there are many other clues that have been found and discussed, and yet could be from a murder plot, not a hoax plot.  This is why I focus mainly on the clues from MJ himself before the “death”, and from the rest of the family; these are the sources for clues that are the most reliable (least likely to be involved with murder).

Much of the numerology and timing came from MJ before the “death”; and even after 6-25-09, the family was involved in the memorial and burial timing (as well as the Liberian Girl pictures, etc).

Next to the numerology, Gilda is the greatest proof of hoax, not murder—because it comes from MJ himself.  Being a big fan of old movies: no doubt MJ knew that Mundson/Macready, who faked his death, shared the same birthday with MJ {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Yet this is not nearly as strong as the numerology—because Gilda by coincidence is one chance in thousands (the quantity of Hollywood movies available for MJ to remake, especially old ones); but the numerology timing by chance is one chance in trillions or more.

Quite the opposite of the numerology being useless, it is actually the key which unlocks the rest of the hoax: when, why, how, who, etc.  It shows the “when”, with all the times that were planned; and it also shows that it was planned for many years—which rules out the idea that MJ got sick, and all of sudden decided to fake his death, or any other “last-minute” fake death theories (almost died, but was revived at UCLA, etc).

The 12:21 and the 9-9-09 show some of the major “why’s” of the hoax: the end of the world is near (12-21-2012); turn the NWO upside down (666 to 999); and 777 + 999 = 1776 represents the greatest demonstration for freedom (July 4, 1776), as well as exposing the Illuminati (May 1, 1776), etc.

Although the “how” and “who” of the hoax are not as important as the “when” and especially “why”—yet the numerology does give a few clues even in these areas.  It shows some of the “how”—such as no MJ double just happened to die at the exact year, day, and hour.  It shows that MJ does have some help from government agents: 333 FBI pages released (the Dangerous formula); and on top of that, it was planned for release on the end of the world date: 12-21 (except it got delayed one day by bad weather).  This in turn helps to explain some of the legality questions, etc.

The numerology even shows some of the “who”: such as Kenny Ortega, TII director; he would be the one to have the poster come out on 9-9-09, and release the film 7 weeks later, and edit the duration to 111 minutes (and add the bam after the credits, etc).  This also explains why Kenny was closely involved with the memorial and burial {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  The family did not think that he was a murderer, even though some had already mentioned murder before the burial.

Last but not least: the numerology shows very powerfully that the MJ “death” was not an accident (homicide), or murder (intentional), or suicide.  It couldn’t be an accident, because few if any of the times would’ve happened by chance.  Murder is a little more plausible, because it would provide a source for all the timing being planned.  However, the huge problem here is that the family was involved in at least some of the timing (like the burial).

Worse yet, MJ is the source of much of the numbers and timing; so if MJ was involved in planning his own murder, it would qualify more as assisted suicide.  And again, would the family help him carry out a suicide plan?  Would they go along with the Liberian Girl pictures, as well as the hoax numerology timing?

For some strange reason, there are people who must want to believe that MJ is really dead—in spite of all the evidence.  Well, even though suicide with the help of the family is totally bizarre: it fits the evidence far better than the accident or murder theory!

So for those who just can’t resist the urge to think that MJ is really dead, here is some excellent advice from jacilovesmichael (redirect for 4-8).  “And think of this: even if he did kill himself, there’s no way it was an accident. I would never believe in that theory. But either way, he has exposed the lies in the media and the corruption in our world. And either way, everything was planned. Dead or alive, I’ve been awakened by what ever happened or didn’t happen on June 25th.”

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5-11. Operation: “Think 4 your Self”

Several people have said (here on MJDHI, and elsewhere) that they don’t accept TIAI, or the hoax in general, etc—because they can think for themselves!  Well, almost anyone can think for themselves (other than maybe a few in the Special Olympics, LOL—no disrespect intended, they are precious).  But the title to Update #5 here is not, “CAN you Think 4 your Self?”—instead, the title is: “DO you Think 4 your Self?”

One person even said on the TMZ comments, that they were sure MJ was a paedophile because: “I can think for myself!”  But if someone merely says that they can think, is this any proof that they actually do—and/or that their conclusions are accurate?  Don’t you think it would be much more convincing: if they stopped wasting time claiming that they can think, and started demonstrating their ability??  So here is an opportunity for them to actually show the ability to think.  I call it the “Think 4 your Self” quiz.

NOTE: M, S, & F questions are primarily for non-believers (or those who are wavering); the rest of the questions are for believers, especially those who don’t know about or don’t agree with the TIAI reasons for the hoax.

Michael:

M1. After watching MJ videos including Thriller and Ghosts: is there any reason why MJ would not have thought to do a real life Thriller—especially since he was married to LMP, and the Elvis hoax death theory is very well known?

M2. If MJ did plan a hoax death, is there any time that would fit better with a full moon (Thriller) and 777 than: 6-25-09 death (77 days to 9-9-09), 7-7-09 memorial (full moon & 7 years from will), 9-3-09 burial (7 days to 9-9-09, & almost full moon), and all the other numerology?

M3. Being a big fan of old movies, and also choosing to remake Gilda in TII: it’s not possible that MJ was unaware of Mundson/Macready faking his death in Gilda (and also sharing MJ’s birthday).  So if MJ was not planning on faking his death: would he be so cruel as to include Gilda in TII, and make his fans think he was planning a hoax death when in reality he was not?

Statistics:

S1. Even if MJ was unaware of the hoax death in Gilda: what are the chances that he accidentally did a remake of a fake death by an actor sharing his own birthday?

S2. What are the odds that all the hoax numerology and timing is merely coincidence (and show your calculations, not just your answer)?

S3. Things which occur randomly, and are not planned, will happen more than once.  So can you give at least one example of a similar death timing, that happened by chance—where the timing repeatedly fit with specific three-digit and/or four-digit numbers (not single-digit numbers), numbers that were emphasized by that same person before the death (hint: neither Elvis nor 2pac come anywhere close)?

Family:

F1. From the death to the burial more than two months later, why did we never see a single tear shed from a single family member (not even Paris, in her touching speech at the memorial)?  And why did the children looked bored at the memorial?  And why did the adults all wear dark glasses (so that we could not see the tears, or not see the lack of tears)?

F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video?  And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial?  Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???

F3. Why was the burial delayed for a world-record longest time?  And why did the family schedule it for 9-3-09: unless it had to do with the 7 days to 9-9-09, and the full moon (on 9-4-09)?

EOW:

E1. If the numerology and timing is not a coincidence (see M2 & S2): then why was the 911 call placed immediately at 12:21, unless it was to show that one of the main reasons for the hoax is to warn about the end of the world (that it’s near—even if it’s not at the end of the Mayan calendar, 2012)?

E2. Why did MJ specifically mention four more years in TII, unless he was referring to 2012 (and also the Sony movie with “Jackson” in it, etc)?

E3. MJ reads the Bible daily; and according to it, there will be an end to this world—and that end will come prior to the “new earth” (see Revelation 21:1; etc).  The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth.  With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?

NWO:

N1. Also in the Bible, a one-world government/religion is prophesied to rise near the end of the world (see Revelation 17; etc).  So if MJ’s message includes warning about the end of the world, how is it possible that his message does not also include a warning about the New World Order?

N2. If MJ does not believe in conspiracies from secret societies and our own governments: then why did he say that the grassy knoll is “truth” (Tabloid Junkie), and who does “they” refer to in TDRCAU (with the pyramid and eye, etc)?

N3. Who is behind the “conspiracy” that MJ was talking about, when he mentioned that our history books have been changed?

Bam:

B1. If MJ never does bam: how is he going to succeed in getting the main messages (EOW, NWO, etc) to the billions in the world?

B2. If you accept the clues which show that MJ is alive: then why don’t you accept that the very same clues (in many cases) also show that he will be back (bam)?

B3. TIAI says that there will be a bamsday, the only question is when.  So is this reliable (if you say no, then please answer T1, T2, & T3, next)?

TIAI:

T1. How did TS end up with the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login domain?  If you say it was just a coincidence, then what are the odds (how many other MJ fans are there, including non-believers, who could’ve bought that domain after the Huffington Post article came out)?

T2. If TS is merely a hoax investigator, without any special source for hoax information: then why for nearly a year now did nobody else figure out the seven layers in “THIS IS IT” (as well as most of the other numerology and timing—777, 999, 1776, 1998, etc)?

T3. Can you explain all 18 in 5-12, below?  And if you say that they are all coincidences: then can you demonstrate that you understand how to calculate the statistics, and show your calculations for the odds of all 18 by chance (like I did above, with 12:21:04 for the 911 call)?

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5-12. Will You Be There?

Because there are many new believers reading these updates—and also to help verify even further that TS does understand MJ’s message correctly, and the main reasons for the hoax: it’s time to review again the TIAI & STUDY predictions, etc.  So here is the last list (from Update #3, on February 7); with a few newer items added (#15 to #18).

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09,
         fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).

In addition to these things, have I ever stated anything that was incorrect (for the resurrection, return, and hoax revealed predictions: see 5-5, above)?  Notice that I never said Conrad Murray was merely a computer generated image (which many said early in the hoax); now we know that he is a real, 3-D person—not just a 2-D computer-generated image.

Actually, there are many other wrong theories out there; but I won’t go into them now.  I have already gone into great lengths on the most important aspects: the main reasons for the hoax, and the strongest evidences that this is a hoax (not accident, murder, or suicide).

We are now coming up on the third time, when there is a good opportunity for a bam (Halloween and January in the past, now maybe June or July).  Like the other times, one main factor (though not the only factor) is how prepared we are for the stampede after bamsday.  There are still many hoax believers on MJDHI and other forums, who don’t read the updates and/or don’t think that NWO & EOW is MJ’s message.  If we keep waiting for them to inform themselves, they probably never will.  But those who do read these updates can help, if you want to: will you be there?  If so, read on.

You can help both before and after bamsday.  This applies to all forums out there, not just MJDHI.  It probably won’t help to just ask others to read the updates; many will not, because they are long and/or other reasons.  But you can be familiar with the updates; and then you can be ready with the right questions and/or answers, whenever something related is discussed in any thread.

For example: if someone says “I think MJ is alive, but I don’t think he will ever come back” (and this is stated frequently)—you can respond with the evidence in 5-4, and/or the Bam questions (B1, B2, B3) in 5-11.  And the same for any other subject that comes up, related to the TIAI information.  If someone says that they don’t believe in the end of the world (or the Mayan calendar theory); you can reply with questions E1, E2, and E3.

You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax.  And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E.  Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!

When you reply with information from TIAI: you can copy and paste the relative parts, or you can put it in your own words, if needed.  Either way, you don’t need to say that the credit goes to TS or TIAI.  I know who I am, and I don’t need the credit—I just want the truth to prevail!
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You can help both before and after bamsday. This applies to all forums out there, not just MJDHI. It probably won’t help to just ask others to read the updates; many will not, because they are long and/or other reasons. But you can be familiar with the updates; and then you can be ready with the right questions and/or answers, whenever something related is discussed in any thread.

For example: if someone says “I think MJ is alive, but I don’t think he will ever come back” (and this is stated frequently)—you can respond with the evidence in 5-4, and/or the Bam questions (B1, B2, B3) in 5-11. And the same for any other subject that comes up, related to the TIAI information. If someone says that they don’t believe in the end of the world (or the Mayan calendar theory); you can reply with questions E1, E2, and E3.

You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax. And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!

When you reply with information from TIAI: you can copy and paste the relative parts, or you can put it in your own words, if needed. Either way, you don’t need to say that the credit goes to TS or TIAI. I know who I am, and I don’t need the credit—I just want the truth to prevail!

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Thank you once more TS. I 'll read now all your informations!
L.O.V.E. for you!!! :P
I BELIEVE the best is yet to come! SOONEST!!! :!:  :idea:
THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!
L.O.V.E. FOR ALL BELIEVERS! :mrgreen:
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"Before you judge me, try hard to LOVE me."
"I am happy to be alive!I am happy to be who I am!
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"Do not judge a man until you\'ve walked 2 moons in his moccosins"
"Beat me.Hate me.You can never break me, will me,thrill me!You can never kill me!"
"They ain\'t seem nothing yet & the best is yet to come!"
THIS IS IT - IT\'S ALL FOR L.O.V.E.

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Thank you very much TS, I've been looking forward to your update!
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Thank you TS (: I know idk you but I love you lol. You have made it easier for us (: it's all for love L.O.V.E. <3
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[size=200]ii LOVE you Michael.!!! My life will nevaah be the same.! Cause boy you came and changed..the way I walk. The way ii talk<3[/color][/size]

yuu rockked maah world. yuu knoe yuu did. && everythin ii own I giive

I can\'t be still, yuu THRILL meeh. baybee be mine.!<3

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Adi

Thank so much again TS for helping us to understand Michael's message and see the way through the complex planning in this. Couldn't have done it without you.

I will do my best to be there before and after.
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Geez, thank you TS !!!
It's almost dawning here, but I had to read it all ! ;)
You made my day :)
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Shortly after Update #4, one thread said that MJ was a star, not a mathematician; therefore this is not a hoax, MJ is dead. But although he’s not a professional mathematician, yet he is a genius; and no doubt he can understand the math, especially since in this case the math is quite simple.

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Then when MJ comes back: it will be very hard to claim that the real MJ is dead, and the bam MJ is just a double.

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If the information comes across as cold: please recognize that it is cold in the sense of being cold-hard evidence, but not coming from a cold or hard heart.
blah, no dramas! you are not cold!:)

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For some strange reason, there are people who must want to believe that MJ is really dead—in spite of all the evidence. Well, even though suicide with the help of the family is totally bizarre: it fits the evidence far better than the accident or murder theory!
yes,... Same Thought ...  :?

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But the title to Update #5 here is not, “CAN you Think 4 your Self?”—instead, the title is: “DO you Think 4 your Self?”
You don't have idea how it made my day! Thank you VERY much!

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The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?



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N2.If MJ does not believe in conspiracies from secret societies and our own governments: then why did he say that the grassy knoll is “truth” (Tabloid Junkie), and who does “they” refer to in TDRCAU (with the pyramid and eye, etc)?

N3. Who is behind the “conspiracy” that MJ was talking about, when he mentioned that our history books have been changed?

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remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!


Thank you, TS!  

and whenever you need me, just call my name .... I'll be there

[quote my signature]   ;)
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Thanks friend. Standing at attention in this Army Of Love awaiting Michaels return. I love you MJ. Come home soon.  ;)

a dedicated Oklahoma fan.
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~~spreading the love~~~lets heal the world~~
~~Oklahomas most dedicated fan....Sheryll~~
~~~~~~~I Love U Michael~~~~~~~

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RK

Thanks TS. I will be there
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Thank you so much, TS. I wonder, should we try to do this with non-believers? Because they are just so hard to speak to about anything hoax-related.. I hope and pray that June or July will bring a Bam! I will be therE! (If I'm not it's only because something is keeping me from it, LOL!)
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RK

It's great that Souza and Mo are preparing now with putting the introduction to the hoax pages together for the new people waking up. Love and respect you guys for all you do and put up with.
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It's great that Souza and Mo are preparing now with putting the introduction to the hoax pages together for the new people waking up. Love and respect you guys for all you do and put up with.
Wow, you read my mind, I was gonna add that!
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Thank You So Much TS!
I've been posting your updates in different sites and I always get told "You and all the believers are just in denial--let the man rest in peace!" It really bothers me so much but now with this update I will be able to question them instead of them questioning me!  :D  I will also add these updates to my website it's not totally about the Hoax but I will make room for it  ;)
Once again THANK YOU and much LOVE to you!  :)

I WILL BE THERE! that's a promise
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Thanks a LOT T.S., this is the best Good Morning I had in months!  Time to get my ass to work again! :D
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Thank you for ALL the updates, TS!  :D
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