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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 17, 2010, 01:48:26 AM
1.What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.


ANS : the first thing that hit me was the body moving in the helicopter. [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gus3FLeB5KU[/youtube:1x98or2r]

then the pain's' in the song "will you be there" at the memorial : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQvy6Q_Oj8[/youtube:1x98or2r]

the saw masked guy at the halloween theme park : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuzmCWfqUU8[/youtube:1x98or2r]

DAVE DAVE on LKL : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLBsd72jB8[/youtube:1x98or2r]

the slip ups : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhEGFOqtfMw[/youtube:1x98or2r] [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=303mmolg5is[/youtube:1x98or2r]

then the thing that convinces me the most is the lack of emotion in the family, Janet smiling when talking about her brother's death, Paris's speech, Prince bored at the memorial, Joe promoting his record label instead of grieving for his son's departure, Katherine shopping days after the "death", kids playing minutes before the burial of their father. strange tweets fro Kenny Ortega, nothing about MJ's passing in the movie This Is It. Michael's song lyrics - Threatenned, Heaven can wait, Xscape, Morphine, The Man, two funerals (proven by the hoaxers comparing the footage), autopsy report that says MJ had brown hair when he has black hair, nothing about the spider bites, they said he was bald when he never seemed bald to me in his recent appearances and i can go and on... watch this video : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LbSKgKdNG0[/youtube:1x98or2r] watch from 7:07. who is the man on the back seat? why are the brothers so happy two days after Michael's death when i was thinking of digging up a grave and lie inside? watch all the parts of this series, this alone is enough to make you understand this is nothing but a hoax. then there are toooo many questions we have that remain unanswered, watch this : [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idfHsGEKwKE[/youtube:1x98or2r]

2.
Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.

ANS :
i believe there are multiple reasons for Michael to fake his death. he's a dreamer, a visionary, i believe he always wanted to do something miraculous that would stun the world. as he said "the best is yet to come"... see in his movies, in "ghosts" and "moonwalker" both, he reappears when everyone thinks he was gone. i don't know if he's going to make a movie with it or he did it to be on the top again, but something like this would have been one of the reasons. he could also have been threatened. but being a hardcore fan my heart doesn't want to believe Michael left us here forever for his own sake though he has all rights to do that cause his life is his life. but i still wish and think he will come back and tell us the truth. one important reason according to me is with this hoax he's gonna prove his point, he's gonna show us how easy it is to accuse someone for a crime they never did. [youtube:1x98or2r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq5hy-MYQXg[/youtube:1x98or2r]

3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?


ANS : to me, Michael's message has always been "love" and only love....... love for each other, for our family, friends, everyone around, for the entire human race, love for children, love for the earth, love for God.. helping people in need, not just with money but with love that comes from your heart. for that you have to look at the man in the mirror and tell him to start, everyone will follow you. i myself i'm doing this and teaching myself. love others, you will get love back. Michael always tried to teach us to think for ourselves and not to believe in the tabloid junks or anything without trying to know the truth! even before the hoax, i was like this always, i always try and think about things then decide what to believe. we should stop judging others without really knowing them, we should teach others the same thing too and i am doing it.

4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.

ANS :
well, i don't care if it sounds fanatic, i'm doing it for my soul. for my life i need to do this cause i need to know the truth. ofcourse i wanted him to be alive, so when i started hearing from other people they believe it could be a hoax first i ignored but then i had to start looking deep. and i found the holes. most of the clues are given by Michael himself, others are just slip ups, so i believe Michael wants us, his truly and honestly dedicated loyal fans to know that he's alive. so now i'm doing it for both of us. he's giving clues out there, i'm trying to collect and and know the meaning of them. i'm investigating cause i want to know the truth and Michael himself wants me to know the truth, wants me to investigate. :) i started doubting his "death" because of all the inconsistencies like the delay of the funeral, lack of emotion in the family, specially Joe and Katherine, all the weird stuff like they said they put make up on Michael's face when he was already dead for months. and they had told us they didn't have an open casket memorial because his face was not like how we'd like to see him. now i don't know from when doing CPR on chest affects on someone's face. i'm not sure about that though. all these odd things you know, i will be adding if i recall anything more.
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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 17, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
1.  Clues:

- Propofol admnistered by a cardiologist outside the hospital (propofol is an anesthetic and it should be given only by a specialised doctor under monitoring); Michael described like a drug-addict, but Michael himself declared he is pro natural means of healing;

-Joe Jackson at LKS - "I don't know where Michael's body is"

-The name of the concerts in London and the press conf. in London - Michael acted like he knew what was going to come

-Similarities with V for Vendetta movie

-The memorial - the Liberian Girl poster and the words "I'm alive and here forever" and the blonde lady who seems to be a man in disguise (she has Adam's apple)

-The funeral - delayed several times, finally took place at exactly 70 days after June 25th, the Liberian Girl theme also and no open casket and no pictures of Michael dead leaked

-The trailer for the movie made me really start questioning Michael's death, preciselly the next sentences:

      - "it's an adventure, a great adventure; you wanna take them places they've never been      before" - seemed out of the context, not suitable for describing the concerts; these words seemed to have a deeper meaning.

       - "The man is here; may this continue, with him leading the way" - Kenny Ortega's words in the trailer made me wonder - continue what and leading what, if he's dead?

-Kenny Ortega tweet about the TII movie - "dedicated to all the believers" - he never explained what he meant, he also tweeted a lot of L.O.V.E. long after June 25th

-The Gilda moment in TII and the actor who played the character who faked his death was born the same day and month like Michael

-Jermaine said "This is it, but this is really not it. There's much much more going on, this is not the final curtain"

-Marlon at the memorial saying that story about Michael going out in public in disguise

-The Haloween video with Liz and Paris - the man Paris is looking at really seems to be Michael

-The FBI files which try to clear his name - I see no other reason for releasing those files

-Kenny Ortega "Michael was with us in the editing room" when asked about the making of TII movie

-The leaked songs - A place with no name, Another day - who's behind the leak if not Michael?

-Murray was not arrested immediately and the house was not searched right away and the charges were only filed in 2010 and Murray is still allowed to practice

-Murray's trial seems to be a duplicate of Michael's trial in 2005 - like a lesson to the world to not judge before know all the facts

2. I think Michael did this as an attempt to make a change in the world, to bring love back into the world, to fight against injustice, against trash media (not all the media). I also think this hoax was thought like a movie - an interactive movie - we are all part of it if we want. This is what Michael knows better - to innovate, and I think that's part of what he's doing now.
I also think he was threatened, because I can't imagine he did all this without the authorities help.
I also think Michael wnated to change people's perception about him - to make people see the person behind the image.

3.What is to be done? How can we spread the message?
When it comes to action I am not that good.
I think Michael's music need to be studied, like a lesson, need to be analised and ...I don't know, I think Michael should be studied in schools and maybe people who really understand his work should do something about it.Anyway, he made history and sooner or later his message will get to all people naturally. I can't really answer this, sorry.

4.I spend so much time investigating not because worths it in some way, but because I love Michael very much and I really can't believe he's dead and I want to know the truth because what we have now  - the official version - I don't think it's the truth, and because his genius is amazing and I admire and respect him very much and worths my attention, but first of all I love him a lot, his golden heart.
I started doubting his death when I saw the movie trailer for This is it. Something there was not right.

......I'll try to continue later......
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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 17, 2010, 05:40:11 PM
Try to be as succinct as possible, despite everything that has been exposed briefly, if deployed would be pages and pages, I believe this is not the purpose of the topic. Already, I apologize for the bad English, but for reasons of time was translated into basic google it. I apologize to Souza for the delay, but unfortunately not had the time I would like to devote myself to this work at the moment.

1-1 ° - Medical cardiologist unable to know how to make a CPR; 2 - A single photo of Michael in the ambulance, obviously edited, 3 - An ordinary person killed in her home under suspicious circumstances, would have banned the house for avoid interference in the investigation, something that never happened, and if a celebrity whose life is full of situations and people suspected ... really very complicated accept.

2 - The reason, in my opinion, are actually several: 1 - The complete dissatisfaction with the direction of the contracts until 2012; 2 - The career stalled, due to numerous reasons, from personal, contractual etc. 3 - The very willingness to be an example as a person, something that people could look at himself and find a way to be an example to mankind, and 4 - I still believe that all this will be part of a larger project to resume his career, and all these facts would be used. More importantly ... all doubts clarified.  ;)


3 - What we are doing ... believing in him and his motives, which are not few. I do not care called crazy ... he was called mad for long, acts as a "go to the club." ^ ^

4 - I met so far in my life no more worthy to spend my time investigating. It's been an incredible year of observation and analysis. I dedicated myself to investigate this, because I think Michael Jackson worthy of attention. His life, his attitude throughout his career, I do understand that would be cruel, if we simply accept this "death" peacefully, even though everything was very clear and resolved ... which is not the case. The least we can do to "give back" a bit of care he had for humanity, especially the people of our generation is making the new generation knows who Michael Jackson was really, by its actions, not by the media vomited about him.
Doubted the death of Michael Jackson since I got the news. I have no "proof" that made me believe, just did not make sense initially. And after all "enlightened" in the media, doubting much of the news, I searched on google about a possible scam and found this forum that had just been created ... I thought ... is ... I'm not the only one who thinks so. Then things were not happening, and each new headline doubt became almost a certainty so far it only has increased.

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6- Never had the interest in verifying the truth about fake deaths, Diana may have been poorly explained too ... but if it was fake too just wish that she is well and happy, far from hell that made his life while nobility

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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 18, 2010, 11:36:21 AM
1.
What are the biggest clues that make you think he is still alive?

Of course, it started with a gut feeling. But the ambulance picture did it for me here. I found no good reason of why one should fake that or who would benefit from it other than Mike himself. If he had died, they could have taken the pic from the real dead Mike instead of photoshopping one that was obviously from 10 years ago. So the conclusion here is: this was supposed to make you scratch your head, if you have been following Mike. It was evident to me that it was either old or photoshopped. Plus the fact that it came from Mike’s photographer friend and none of the other dozen paps had even a blurred photo to show…how convenient.

Then his own doctor obviously doesn't know anything about first aid and later wouldn’t sign his death certificate, but his sister did, which makes the document legally invalid to my understanding. Only a doctor can sign that.
There was never a statement by any doctor or hospital official regarding that day. Even Jermaine’s statement was announced by the hospital’s press representative as just that: a statement. They only gave him the space to make his statement without ever confirming anything or even mentioning Mike’s name. To this day, nobody from there did. Jermaine’s statement is published in the press department of the UCLA-website. Just an announcement without medical value.

All ‘official’ documents are inconsistent and thus questionable in their validity.
None of the documents carry Mike’s legal name, which is ‘Michael Joe Jackson’, period. If the person cannot sign a paper to confirm that he or she is the same person when the name differs, it has to be the legal name. Dead people can’t sign anymore and the autopsy report said they identified Mike by his driver’s licence. On Mike’s driver’s licenses, which are available on the web, it always says ‘Michael Joe Jackson’, same with his Motown Artists’-ID, passport and available court transcripts from 2005, ‘The people vs. Michael Joe Jackson’. No Joseph, no J., always Joe.

The Memorial reaked of slip-ups (Kenny Ortega: ‘We were here together just last week’, when Mike was supposedly already ‘dead’ for 2 weeks) and ‘little mistakes’ in songs (Jermaine ‘Smile’/ ‘...painS’ instead of ‘pain’ in ‘Will you be there’) or the wall displays, ending with ‘I’m alive and I’m here forever’. Jermaine sang it: ‘Light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness’ – Don’t show anyone that we’re just playin’ and how happy we are that this ain’t real!
About the ‘sadness’ of the family: I think the emotions were real, if I only had to imagine that it was my dad or my brother or my son in that casket, it would bring me to tears. So it doesn’t even matter if the casket was empty or not. I won’t guess here, but it seems odd that there was no open casket viewing, which is customary in the U.S., as far as I know. Even James Brown was damn there in center stage at his memorial.

Joe Jackson, when asked by Larry King, didn’t know where his son’s body went after the memorial and although the family had a second autopsy ordered, he claimed that he didn’t know the results of it…if anyone should know, of all people, it’s the next closest relatives, thus the parents, since the children are minors.
It’s like Joe is saying: ‘I know Mike’s gone, but I have no idea which flight he took.’

When I saw ‘DaveDave’ on LKL, I saw immediately it wasn’t Dave, but Mike. Dave’s original voice may sound a lot like Mike’s, but his mannerisms and face were not Dave’s. Dave also has blue/grey eyes by nature, on LKL they were dark brown with a distinct eyeliner around them.

This is a good vid with picture layovers to show that all the lines fit Mikes face and skull, no doubt possible:
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The burial (ceremony) wasn’t held in a building on the premises, which is always in a cathedral or other building there, but outside with no Forest Lawn staff even visible, the ushers were the dancers from ‘This Is It’. All orchestrated by Kenny Ortega and Travis Payne. That was no funeral.
The memorial and the funeral featured two different caskets. The handles differ from each other. Why use two different ones? You buy one casket for one body. Never two.
And most people still keep talking about Mike in present tense…

Another one was the ‘Green Man’ in the relaunch of the ‘We are the World’ video. A great effort was taken to explain the presence of some guys in light green bodysuits. It was said to be a feature for fans to insert themselves into the video. In the end, half a head of one green guy behind Tony Bennet’s shoulder can be seen for one split second. On enlarging that head, what can be seen is a perfect match to Mike’s eyes, eyebrows and forehead under a green stocking cap. Never again was there any mention of that ‘fan feature’. In a later version of that, a clip from the ‘Ghostbusters’ movie is used at the beginning of the same video, only that it is ‘mirrored’, with everybody being on the other side than in the first (official) video, and the Ghostbusters walk with the Statue of Liberty with the song ‘Your love is lifiting me higher’ playing from a radio. This second version has obviously no other reason than being a ‘thank you note’ to those who can ‘read Mike’: The online-reaction to the ‘green man’ was tremendous, so to me that was a proof. The titling is kinda telling, too: ‘Here’s something from the request line From Liberty Island’… Presented by ‘LuckyLadyLiberty’.

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There is a whole long list of possible disguises and sightings of Mike after June 25, which would be too many to post. YouTube has everything, most famous vids would be by PianoGames, Mjfanforeverandaday, MJalive999 and Karenjoymc.

And I won’t even go into all that numerology stuff…


2.
Why did he do this?

My take is that this has been planned at least 10-15 years, if not longer. This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, so there have to be multiple reasons except some well deserved privacy. Mike has lived his adult life not only as the greatest superstar, but also as the greatest tabloid victim of all time. Personally, I can’t think of anyone who was slandered so deliberately and over such a long period of time. I am old enough to have witnessed pretty much all of Mike’s adult career and I have also seen those tabloid headlines when they happened. If nothing else happened, create a Michael-Jackson-headline, seemed to be the objective.
Mike was also always confronted with people who betrayed him for money. No matter how nice he was to anyone, they stabbed his back, leaving him with almost nobody to trust. Still, he stayed nice and friendly on the outside.
On the business side, Mike also learned ‘the hard way’ that he was not only the ‘golden child’ of his father Joe, but also for his record company, Sony and all of their intertwined businesses and associates. When Mike started to put his foot down with them and topped it all by buying half of Sony’s publishing catalogue, they ceased to promote him. His message was never important to anyone there, he was only their ‘best horse in the stable’, a trademark. And a sure guarantee for a steady cash flow. And that hasn’t stopped yet. Anything Michael Jackson sells like hotcakes, still. But as a living person, Mike is also a threat to the industry called entertainment business. without an album or any new music in ten years, he still managed to sell out 50 gigs within hours for his upcoming show. That’s maximum power right here. Threatening…

Mike’s concern was always to put his celebrity status to good use, be it in favour of the environment or the underpriviledged. He said in interviews: ‘When I’m on tour, I do as many hospitals as I do concerts. But I do it outside of the press. and they never write about it.’ He’s been doing that all his adult life. there are countless pictures and footage with him in hospitals, visiting children, giving them gifts, etc.
When he lived in Neverland, he opened his home every day to children to come play there. Busloads of kids came there everyday without any incident being reported. He has always supported countless charities for decades, giving billions of dollars.

Still, all of that was turned against him and became the gruesome icing on the cake when he was accused and had to go to trial in 2005 for child molestation.
I think that was the trigger to go through with it all, after he was first accused in 1993. Mike had it. Game time!
Everything he ever did good crumbled to dust because of an accusation that was constructed out of thin air. Everybody around him knew that and still, the whole legal machinery was in full swing to get him imprisoned.

If this is all going according to plan, my take is that Mike is using all those same vehicles to prove how manipulative all those systems are. The tabloids are being fed to create certain images (or destroy them)  and spread certain newsbits like little pieces of candy. Everybody gets some, the haterz, the fans, the generally bored public…

Sony et.al. have another thing coming once they run out of material they can publish without constantly repeating themselves. Since ‘Invincible’, all they ever did was ‘Best Ofs’ with maybe 3 unheard songs in ten years…Mike has no contract with them anymore, the estate does. Whenever his new stuff comes out outside of Sony, their stuff is gonna start collecting dust. And I’m pretty sure that one by one, former Sony artists are going to sign on to that new exciting label on the market, Mike Records (or whatever).

The exposure is also structures that need to be broken and this hoax is to take all that down in one nice sweep. Mike couldn’t have done all this ‘being still alive’ cuz he was followed all the time. He had to disappear to finally get rid of everything and everybody that tied him up and took advantage of him. Otherwise there would have been no way he could orchestrate all that ‘in broad daylight’.

The trial against Murray is there to prove once more that you CAN keep the whole legal machinery busy with a case that isn’t a case. This will prove once more that the trial against Mike was a conspiracy and nothing else and it could help to get rid of some personnel in that field who have been there too long.

Personally, Mike also has some leeches to get rid of which he obviously couldn’t when he was still around.
It was necessary for Mike to be dead. He needed to get away to get all of that away from him, so he can spread the word without anybody thinking it’s him.

This hoax was necessary for Mike to break with all those structures that tied him up all his life and to expose and take them down at the same time. Mike is using the mechanism that almost destroyed him to show once more how crooked people are, how selfish and how it can all be undermined and taken down. The evidence was there from day one, but most people preferred to believe it on first sight. You have to investigate and follow up on stuff to see the hoax. He wants people to use their brains again.

That’s the teaching part here: Mike wants to show the world what is happening and how we are all tricked to believe it’s all okay. He has spent decades trying to spread his message, making the change, just to be bashed over and over again. He wrote numerous songs to spread his message, did anybody listen? He was never taken serious for his concerns, so he took this extreme measure to get it right. And he’s using his enemies’ weapons to beat them.
He is using tabloids, the legal system, legal loopholes, business strategies, everything. And for those who take the effort, there are enough clues to prove it. This is like the movie ‘Wag the dog’, in real life.

Another crucial reason could be that he was threatened, which is very possible. But I won’t even get into all that Illuminati/ NWO stuff…


3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?

We can all start in our own environment. Helping people who need help, if it’s just to help an old lady across the street, engaging in social projects, recycle, smile at someone we don’t know just because…and of course, all usable media is important. Tweeting messages, networking, telling friends how to be a better person, keep an open mind, don’t believe everything you hear or read. The everyday stuff has gotten lost, the simple ‘being a good neighbor’-thing and the open-mindedness in general.
It’s all for L.O.V.E. – anybody can spread that message. Print it on t-shirts, stick it on your car.


4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.

All this caught me by surprise. I watched it all ‘live’ on CNN that day. I was not a fan but witnessed everything that happened around Mike over the last 25 years, so I kept following those news. When the ambulance picture came along, it got me. I couldn’t answer the question of why it was needed to be photoshopped. It was clear as day to me that it was not the actual photo. Being a YouTube freak, it didn’t take long before the first hoax vids came up and I was happy to discover that I wasn’t the only one to think that something is fishy here. With every new information, it was something wrong with it and I kinda got stuck investigating everything regarding Mike’s ‘death’. I’ve been talking ‘hoax’ since last summer, so I started early in the game…
It simply overwhelmed me. You can’t help but invest a whole lot of time once you get caught into it. It takes a lot of time to view all the hoax vids, the references to Mike’s works, which all have to be reviewed with a totally different attitude now. Then you gotta work up all those structures Mike was caught in business wise, people he dealt with, their references, etc.. It has become addictive.

There is simply no choice. You have to devote a lot of time to even get a fraction of all these details together and make sense of that. Or leave it alone. No alternative.

It’s worth it cuz when it all comes down, it will be the biggest hoax in history. And I can’t wait to witness that. It will not only make HIStory, but change the world. Who wants to miss that?


5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.

Impossible. The YouTubers who cover the most are the above mentioned: PianoGames, Mjfanforeverandaday, MJalive999 and Karenjoymc.


6.
Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)

September clues:
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If they can stage THIS, whatever Mike is doing should be a piece of cake.
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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 18, 2010, 11:55:07 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
You probably might have noticed that we have a lot of new members on the board. Because most of them are new in the hoax, we get a lot of questions about things we already discussed months ago. To avoid that and to try and get the new members as up-to-date as possible, we have decided to make a seperate web page for newbies because it's hard for them to struggle through all the info, but for that we need your help. We both have like 500GB of information on our harddrives, so it's hard to determine if we have covered it all. We are asking you to comment on this thread and post the following, numbered like I will do below, so it won't get messy. We want to start making the page on Wednesday at the latest, so please try to post everything before then.

1.
What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive? And with that I don't mean 'it's just a feeling', but real 'proof' he is alive. If you have pictures, articles or videos to support your arguments, please post them as well. Anything is appreciated, from Dave Dave to the Murray court hearings to the burial or the memorial. Whatever did the trick for you, let us know.

2.
Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.

3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?

4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.

5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.

6.
Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)


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1 - After  25.06.2009 ,Micheal’s death  day, I started doubting ….
Strange call by his bodyguard Alverez at 911 that talked of an man in difficult respiration and he no mention his name! He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911 call answering the phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That is not standard procedure.  Attempted at resuscitating him by his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray were unsuccessful…. he tried to resuscitate him on the bed…!!!. Every doctor  knows you have to perform CPR on a flat and hard surface. Murray founded Michael Jackson with a weak pulse….You don’t perform CPR on a person with a weak pulse!! Finally he has waited 45 minutes before calling 911, because he didn't know the address??? He came there by car! He knows very well Michael’s  residence! And he don’t use the cellular  for call 911?! Incredible! Micheal  was treated at his house for 30 minutes….What Dr. Murray  did??? Mystery!
There were several security cameras at the mansion in LA where MJ collapsed, but they are missing . No video footage !
And…WHO IS really Dr. Conrad Murray? Is he probably  an actor?! Dr. Conrad Murray  hires an attorney. Police repeatedly said Dr. Murray was not a suspect, just a witness.
 Why  does a man who is only a witness, hire an attorney? Confusion!
So…we know all very well that paparazzi chase voracious news  of personality like Michael Jackson, that was literally persecuted before his “death”! Why they  had no other photos, other notices?! Why they persecute  not Dr. Conrad Murray?!
After….The ambulance with wich Michael was transported to the hospital made three attempts to exit the  drive way backwards….incredible,  because there's a huge roundabout on the property…
Why leaving the property backward? They were driving so slow with  Micheal in death throes?!  No sirene?!
An photographer (Micheal’s friend!) had time enough to make his famous  photo(in fact there are three different ones) in  ambulance , but  Michael looked too young (around 30 years), he had a good color - if he really in cardiac arrest he certainly would have  blue or grey skin! - The photo were  photoshopped with an old image of Michael during his concert!?!
After resuscitation efforts continued en route to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, and for an hour after arriving there at 1:13 p.m. Michael Jackson was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. local time.
TMZ, a tabloid media source was the first to report MJ had died. They reported it before  coroner and before that  Jermaine Jackson made his public statement,about 4 hours later from UCLA on Michael Jackson's death: "My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, at 2:26 P.M.".
What?? A brother that announce his death?! No UCLA’s Doctor mentioned ufficially his death? No doctor talked to the press?? TMZ, a tabloid media source was the first to report MJ had died?!?
No official doctor’s statements, no nurses being interviewed, no patients coming out  and report what they saw or heard?!
The only comments reported was someone who worked there said something strange was going on with regards to MJ, and someone else claimed the fire alarm went off while MJ was there.
Someone claimed the Los Angeles ‘s airport was closed for two hours…
Dr. Conrad Murray refused to sign the death certificate. Why??
 No physician at UCLA in charge had  signed death certificate?! In fact no UCLA doctor has made any kind of statement confirming the death of Michael Jackson or even that he was on the premises.
Cause of death?? Death certificate: it seemed a fake…. Cause of death was listed as “deferred” until after the autopsy. The DC states that it is only valid if signed in purple ink. At the bottom it’s signed in blue ink.
There are also many irregularities of the document which indicate it possibly isn’t legitimate….
There is major evidence in the death certificate, that shows the name Michael Joseph Jackson.
That name is not according to his other official identification documents: Michael Joe Jackson is his real name. That is something that can’t be changed!
Also: the transport of Michael’s body by helicopter (with open doors!!!)  from the ospital to the morgue.... a body wrapped up by  white cover….!
Dead body must be inserted in blue or black sacks because you would know that there is a risk of leaking fluids from the body!
The body shouldn’t be positioned by the doors, but more the front! There was no stretcher there! Strange to put the body on some chairs!!!
This was a great proof !  It’s evidence!
The coroner van  carrying Michael seemed false…
But…where was Michael??? Nobody talked…Too silence! Doubts and suspicious…., all the time!
Autopsy: strange! No result back yet, just rumors spread by the media. Second autopsy, same story! Toxic’s rapport: mystery… How much autopsys? …Well, almost three! A total of 3 autopsies have been ordered: one official, two by the family -  who for some reason wanted their own autopsy performed - , and a third reportedly requested by Joe Jackson, MJ’s father.
Though there have been several people who have come forward suddenly talking about MJ having a drug problem ….
Many people at the last rehearsal claimed he was energetic and on top of his life and in no way seemed sickly or drugged.
According to a new autopsy's report, Jackson had osteoarthritis which was visible on his lower spine and fingers.
He had dark tattoos on his eyebrows and around his eyes and a dark tattoo on the front of his scalp -- possibly to cover the permanent scarring from burns suffered in Pepsi mishap.
The report says he was balding and suffered a skin disease.
Probably Jackson suffered from vitiligo e/or lupus.
 His heart was strong but his lungs were inflamed. The report says Jackson's stomach had no obvious signs of pills, nor were illegal drugs or alcohol detected.
The manner of death -- already reported to be a homicide -- was based in part on Propofol administered in a non-hospital setting….Questionable….!
Dr.Murray! Where was he???? The LAPD didn't seal the scene directly, but waited 4 days!
In the meanwhile, everybody could get stuff in and out of the house! !Also they had not made an official statement on the case. The LAPD told that only 3 investigators are working on the case….Confusion!
Police repeatedly said Dr. Murray was not a suspect, just a witness….!?
There are many conflicting reports about MJ’s death… He died in the bedroom, he died in the doctor’s room…Where??
Within a few hours after the cardiac arrest, all of Jackson’s staff was fired.
They were removed immediately …after Micheal’s death….!!
The family of Michael Jackson seems not destroyed by the pain .... with all due respect for the feelings of others.... really when you lose a loved one does not laugh out loud as I have seen his father Joe Jackson...with the reverend!
His mother Katherine was photographed while sleeping bags and had bought a normal expression ...
The brothers and sisters do not cry, exhibit faces of fact ...
7 luglio 2009 Memorial: Wonderful show ... funeral! The family did not seem distressed, she hided her eyes behind big glasses blacks.
On the screen the image of Michael Jackson Liberian Girl (Michael was behind the scenes?).
With a small mistake in the text, The new recording of the spoken text of "Will you be there", the lyrics "No more crying when we are going to see the king", and  "No more dying pain we are going to see the king" by the gospel choir, Jermaine Jackson had to upset in "Smile: Light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness" and Michael’s last picture on the screen as the director in Liberian Girl with the text: "I’m alive and I am here forever". It’s a wrap!
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The crying (fake) of   daughter Paris Jackson and  grandfather Joe and son Prince Michael I who chewed gum ... come on !....
The body was missing for 2 months! The burial would take place on August 28 …29…31.... At last on September 3rd…..
 He is at the Great Mausoleum where nobody can visit him!!
Several members of the board have called Forrest Lawn and they all get the same answer.
Michael Jackson is not anywhere on Forest Lawn and he has never been anywhere on Forest Lawn!!!
The media saied he was full of needle marks on the autopsy table, bald, missing his nose! Statement of the coroner’s office: nothing of that info is from this office. No, they don’t had a body, so also no info.
People close to MJ say he didn’t use drugs, then suddenly they say he was.
His brains were returned to the family, in a carton box …
But, why remove a whole brain? I think there is a clear reference to the Order of the Illuminati, the Satanists human sacrifices.
Many unsolved crimes from which corpses have been removed or half the entire brain, which is used in rites of these criminals.
Although disgusting and reprehensible, I think so.
For a few months but the body disappeared and nobody knew where he was ...
At  September 3, 2009:  The funeral !Finally, they found the body, got it a new wig and some astonishing make-up (according to Randy e LaToya) and they had put him to rest.....!
Well, the whole funeral was strange and  hilarious…., but it reminded us of Mike’s old video clips Liberian Girl again!
Michael was remembered on CNN by his friend Dave Dave, a man whose face has been maimed in 1983 because he deliberately was set on fire by his father.
Dave Dave told how Michael took care of him and was like a father to him….
The funeral seemed like a movie set: the streets and the trees seemed artificial, on a green background ...
People laughed, was calm and relaxed ... young men in strange uniforms (and here the speech is long, the uniforms used by Michael in the past)  had welcome to the guests at the funeral, but smiling and posing beneath a large portrait  of Michael ...30 years…!!
The Jackson family is late ...
All remember that this is an ingenious hoax ... Just observe, study, take the seemingly insignificant details ...

The bloody shirt found in the closet, after Michael's death. ... The price to points at the day funeral ....?
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I think that Michael wants to wake up humanity with is message: the world is about to be controlled by a secret society or worse, the Antichrist.
For centuries, harmful and negative forces are at work against all of humanity to make us slaves to their will for domination and authoritarianism.
They are the evil forces that want to extend evil to all populations to obtain resources and money, much money for themselves.
This program has ancient roots and is carried out by  select few rich families from generation to generation, members of secret societies, linked to the Illuminati conspiracy is an order that works in the shadows and in secret and is inspired by ancient codes and symbols common but hidden.
Unfortunately, there are seven secret bloody, devoted to human sacrifice and satanic rituals!
They believe the Antichrist and his dominion through worship Lucifer.
Michael Jackson was definitely a victim of them: he rebelled and they are vindicated by covering him with insults and threats, accusations and infamy in that who are his deepest feelings and clean, love for children, the genuine love and true for the most defenseless beings on earth.
The accusations of pedophilia leveled against Michael were atrocious revenge evil of this group of criminals who moves back in front of anything, especially to those who reacted and fought them!
They fear the awakening of conscience! They are afraid of individuality! Qusto want to control the minds, dominate the behavior, stealing the spirituality of the soul, plunder the mind!
Deepening my research I found that many pedophiles "real" lurking within it, the richer strata of society today, from their hypocritical facades and unsuspected, protected by a gigantic network of complicity at all levels.
Unfortunately, involved institutions, foundations, corporations, governments, industries seemingly "harmless" of our society: why the Illuminati are so strong, they have done their secret invisibility!
Michael's mother is devoted to the religious congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses: I believe that I am not far from the truth if I say that Michael had to be controlled  primarily by them, in collusion with the Illuminati and Masonic lodges .
Considering the power of exercising mind control of Jehovah's Witnesses, I suppose  throughout the Jackson family has had to deal with them somehow.
I think that probably  Michael, who came to the attention of sordid ties of these criminals and sellers of bodies, sections of bodies, or children sold for sex to the rich and opulent representatives of these associations, has decided to say its truth.
Michael is a being very rich in spirituality and sensitivity, talent and genius.
Because they wanted to stop him.
They  have threatened, then they spend some time.
A character such as Michael would have attracted billions of people! The risk was too high, could be undermined their evil purposes!
And found the false accusations! The guys who lied, driven by greedy parents and envious of people like Michael Jackson, despite the sincere friendship that Michael has always shown them. ... !!
Without going further, I really think  that thanks to Michael Jackson and his prodigious idea of  Hoax, planned for some time, we were able to reflect and open some gap in the curtain that surrounds these groups of evil!
The sufferings and humiliations have scratched his  pride, his great dignity, freedom of his immense genius mind.But  this was a great master stroke, incredibly strong, stabilized with great intelligence to the accumulation of junk built against him all these years!
He gave us the opportunity to discover the truth about the huge system that governs us, we are starving and impoverishing deliberately, they wants so and  they encourage wars while participating in the mock peace conference! And almost no one is excluded or, alas!
Unless they prove otherwise, that is to  say at side with Michael!
Then...Michael  02 Arena of London: March 5, 2009 on TV I'd
seen and heard several times. It was very strange but I think
it was him.
"I mean ... I just say that this is...
This is my last show, my final curtnain call. "
Why ?!
Time passed ... arrived on 25
June 2009.
I watched that video a thousand times, forward and
back ....  he would be giving his "final curtain call."
"I just want to say that these will be my final  performances in London. When I say This Is It, it really means This Is It because...
"This is my final curtain call...."
Shortly before leaving, after putting his hand on
heart and told  to fans "I love you really, from deep
of my heart "and" See you in July !"...
He turned, raised his arm and returned
back.
At that time he made two gestures strange.
Looking to his right, down there in the audience probably has shrugged his shoulders and arms extended.
He did a "tic" with his lips, raising his hand upper right corner.
I found it strange.
I went to investigate.
It seems to me a possible connection with the hoax of famous Joey Skaggs... is the name of the hoax about the death that began in September 1998! It was designed by Joey Skaggs, and we can website information Museum of Hoaxes: At Final
Curtain, and right on the site Skaggs.
"In 1998, Skaggs put together an international team of writers, artists and designers to create the volunteers Final Curtain was immediately accepted by .....public as a reality without a question ..... Skaggs always left clues in his (jokes) performance.
Joey Skaggs has staged practical jokes - to mock the media to mock the culture, but never to make money -for 34 years. Some jokes are huge and take years ..... The clues were there for journalists doubted Final Curtain. But they did not .... Part of participants were in agreement on the Final Curtain keep your mouth shut until it was time to
reveal the hoax ...... Final Curtain was not meant to make money was intended to draw attention to two issues - the evil media, as we saw, and industry of death.
So it is likely that among the reasons for Michael there are also willing to denounce the deceits of the pharmaceutical industry that administers medicine for profit, as the last pandemic vaccine for swine, willingness to report abuses of governments who defraud millions citizens to earn the elite of the Illuminati, and the desire to free themselves from untrustworthy people who steal money and manipulated ....
Michael wanted to restore his honor, infamy for many journalists to serve the power system. And also take around !....
To tell the truth, without dramatic gesture of Michael Jackson, I do not know if I would understood all this ! Thanks Michael!


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I think the best way is to open the mind, expand our knowledge, raise awareness in all ways, not stop at the barriers and increase the level of independence of mind.
It 'also important to talk with others, not to consider bias or preconceived ideas, but remaining strict and consistent in fighting these purposes which will lead us to total destruction within a few years.
The Illuminati want to arrive early to conquer the world (New World Order) and are accelerating the pace so beastly.
Spreading false information and intrigue, the  trust between humans is undermined forever.
We must recognize the false prophets and disable them!
Note how much evil there is in the world and how the media are quick to report "exclusively" acts of violence, sensationalism, criminal events, shocking crimes, bloody robbery.
Shape our psyche as they please! So then can command without a sign of reaction.
We must not forget the suffering like us, the passer or near, the stranger or outsider.
From ourselves, improve ourselves and help improve behavior.
Increase listening, increase the individual sensitivity, expand the goodness of actions and not just words ....
We must enrich our spirituality, raise the spiritual level of our feelings: the evil forces have benefit from our spiritual deficiency.
If there is degradation, materialism, greed, perversion etc.  these forces will have free rein.
We must  and can gradually change our thoughts and bring them to the spiritual evolution


4.
I started to doubt his death the next day! It seemed unrealistic as the papers said, I did not accept certain superficial explanation and I found absurd and embarrassing that a person could be destroyed and then put "at rest" in that way.
At first I thought of a murder. As he appeared not in great form in recent months before that in June 2009, Michael seemed a healthy man but  just psychologically debilitated!
While not a true fan, but a fan of "character" and lover of his music, I realized that something was not plausible.
I started to click on the Google search engine. ... "And if Michael Jackson had not died?"
The first blog that appeared was of a boy who had picked the same questions thousands of other people, most of which were real fans destroyed.
The second name was the forum "historic" dell'Hoax at  which I enrolled seeking details and notes, thoughts and views, opinions and news.
I am surprised by the degree of attention that I put myself in my research, I must admit that thi is  my first real experience of the sort.
I've heard a lot of solidarity staff for Michael, for as has been abused and humiliated, I hate the power in all its forms, lack of respect "normal", the deceptions and ploys of the powerful  that has always join hands to maltreat the weak, the dispossessed, the sick, children, the elderly, women!
I went into a difficult road, fraught with incomprehensible things, but I felt I had to walk!
I took evidence, the famous clues that Michael has left to bring home to his many fans: he was not dead! And after a little time....I began to understand. ... I saw a little light down the dark road!
I picked up  sensed that Michael revealed his essence, his energy! Turned out ... step by step!
His genius is great! He planned to perfection the program versus Illuminati!
I was astonished..... he  leaved pieces of bread as Tom Thumb in the forest!


5.
Michael Jackson is NOT dead: Hidden Messages In Arts?

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a) MISTERO italia1 26/08/2009 – 1/2/3^ Parte - [Chi voleva la morte di lady D?]:
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 d)John Fitzgerald Kennedy: Discorso sul Governo Occulto:
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e) Progetto HAARP e terremoto in Abruzzo 1/4
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f) Scie Chimiche La Tecnologia H A A R P:
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h) Michael Jackson fra Verità, menzogne e cospirazione:
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I'm Alive, I'm Live, I'm A Lie...

Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 18, 2010, 07:29:02 PM
1. What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive?

These are some of the evidence that Michael has left his fans, of all the things I've read in all the months of his absence.

a) Six months before June 25, 2009, there was talk of a bad state of health of Michael Jackson and an announcement of his death "Michael Jackson 6 months to life." Hmmm…. weird.
b) The press conference in London "Final Curtain" (something strange in those words, at that time for me)
c) Revelation of his kids to the public without masks before the death.
d) Death before starting his tour? Hmmm ... very suspicious!
e) Call 911
f ) The transport of his supposed body (ambulance, differences, movements in the helicopter)
g) Contradictions in the autopsy, contradictions in the words of Dr Murray
h) Staples Center Memorial (details with evidences) when I see it a second time
i) Funeral (lack of emotion from family and friends. Kenny Ortega smiling, as if to say:  Good! we did it)
j) MJ is a very important celebrity in world, called me the attention to the beginning the mystery of his tomb and without identification. Actually his tomb is a mounted scene, something metaphorical.
k) MJ's photo with Kenny Ortega behind cameras. It is a very suggestive image.
"This is it" a film perfectly planned from the first moment, when I saw "This is it", I thought that was not the result of last rehearsals, was to send a message to the world.
l) The message after the credits in "This is it" suggests his return
m) Dave Dave (LKL)
n) Everything about Dr Murray, I think that is mounted scenes, a lot of time to solve a fact of the death and lack of solid answers.
Case Dr. Murray is postponed more and more, the new date is for June 14. It does not convince me.

2. Why did he do this?

Michael denounces with his art what happens in society
a)
Exposing media
Exposing the order of the Illuminati
Exposing the NWO (Alerting the world's population on this ongoing genocide that lies ahead for humanity. He wanted to warn us of what lies ahead as the world still governed by these secret societies).
He show us the deficiencies in many parts of the world
He wants to teach us with his messages, that we change our way of being and doing a better world

b) Because " This s it " was his dreamed and planned project
"It's a great adventure. We want to take them places that they've never been before. We want to show them talent like they've never seen before."

c) To continue spreading his philanthropic message (Peace, love, unit, freedom, charity, to take care of the planet, to take care of all the children of the world)

d) He need back to being the artist who has always been and re-recruiting his old and new fans.

e) To have peace in his life and peace to his kids and the world knows his truth

The media helped to discredit his image criticizing a person that the only thing that he did was to love the art, leave a message of love to the world, do charities. They destroyed his soul...

3. What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?

a) Putting into practice his message of the song "The Man in the Mirror"
b) Putting into practice what he teaches us with his deep messages (love, humanity, not to judge without knowing, caring for the planet, caring for children, to think for ourselves)
c) Spread his truth and love
d) Continue to spreading the NWO of the way he is teaching us.

4. Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.

Because I know him and I hear his songs from the 70s when I was 12 years old.
I love him and I'm your fan
I know the person and the artist that is Michael Jackson and always I believed in him.
I never believed in the lies of the media.

Few people pass through this life with so many good things, as I see in Michael.
He always worried about the world, children, the environment, has dedicated great part of his life to these causes. Each of us should take their example.
For me he is an example of effort, talent, love, solidarity, I am touched by his life, his achievements, their history, their dreams ...
He is a genius, has created his own style, is an artist in the whole sense of the word.
He transmits what he feels in a faithful way. His songs transmit peace and love.

The reason I am researching was to find the truth, know what really happened
From the beginning I started to doubt, I could not imagine Michael, consuming quantities of psychotropic drugs or intravenous administration of Propofol (LOL)
Hmmmm... was very strange to believe for anyone who knows him from years ago.
Michael raised her three children with love and they have been able to show the world their good upbringing and education.

My conclusion in the first time was "murder", although I had read some things about the hoax but did not wanted to get my hopes up without solid evidence.
Last September 2009, began to gain strength in me that he was alive.
Yeah Michael is Alive! I do not need more proof, feel him in my heart, I believe in Michael! its all for L.O.V.E.!!!

5. Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.

A lot of videos on youtube revealing the hoax!!!
It is difficult to select one especially, I will name a few to give you an idea

a) Michael Jackson, This Is Also It: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder
b) Dave Dave on Larry King Live
c) MJ funeral
d) Brian Oxman confirms: Michael Jackson's ambulance picture is FAKE!

6. Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)

Whats going on in the world.

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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 18, 2010, 07:47:41 PM
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- The reaction of the family to death.
- A lot off slip ups [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MJRv-ND9Y[/youtube:1tjsbawo]
- The lyrics changed at Memorial
- The film This is it, that are not rehearsals.
- This way to die is totally increible to Michael.
- The contradictions in the time that it happened after death.
- Death certificate and autopsy false. Always used a wrong name.
- Contradictions in images of the funeral.
- Photos chosen for the funeral (Liberian girl)
- Never named the death or the film or the script of the funeral (Celebration of the Life!!!!!)
- Michel said the last few years he was preparing a film. He would go himself. And he said the best was yet to come.
- Thisisalsoit.com: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
- A lot of weird things more. For example: [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12DQ-ojrVlQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1tjsbawo]


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He tried to change the world but they cruelly stopped him. He wants us to know the truth. The truth makes you strong and free. He said he liked fims because they was carrying other situations what better than a real life movie in which all participate, is a great idea, feel it all with intensity, pain, hope, disbelief, surprise, excitement, simply wonderful . A genius
I love this video: [youtube:1tjsbawo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CmqdwVDxcI&playnext_from=TL&videos=5y0TFLtDspM[/youtube:1tjsbawo]
 
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Becoming a better person. Making others know who is really Michael, there are many myths and lies. It must be known to be an angel. I´m trying to do a blog in Spain so more people know the thuth. It will be to believers and not, for fans and for those who do not know yet.
I think it would be interesting to make a powerpoint to send mass email, that way if people do not seek information to find. All this would reach more people. But I don´t do that  : (
 
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I was struck by the news of his death. Everything was illogical to me. And I have to say that I at that time I was not a fan, did not know much about it.
From that day on I became interested in him and discovered the best artist and human being that ever walked the earth.
The photo of the ambulance was the beginning of my research and I confirmed that the video was all very strange. Things began to not add up.
That was the beginning, I can now say that my life changed 100%. Never find a way to thank Michael enough.
 
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Re: IMPORTANT, PLEASE READ & COMMENT
May 19, 2010, 02:56:08 AM
1.
What are the biggest clues that makes you think he is still alive?

-Ambulance picture
-Helicopter video. The brancard is out of the van. A bodybag is on the brancard. One of the employees throws the bag back in the van and another brancard with something like a surfboard wrapped in sheets is coming out of the helicopter. You do not need a real bodybag for that.
[youtube:1x666hvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC90CfHBeA[/youtube:1x666hvw]
-not (immediately) mentioning MJ on the r.i.p. list from the grammy's and tmz
-the release of the pepsi burn video after his "death"and not mentioning the scar on the autopsy report
-Dave Dave
-Jackson brother driving to the wrong cementary.
- The family is not grieving. etc. etc.


2.
Why did he do this? We know he wants to wake people up, but explain exactly why you think he did this. Come up with good stuff about all the shit he is trying to expose, recent things from the news that made you go hmmm, you name it.

3.
What do you believe needs to be done? How can we spread his message?

4.
Explain why you think it is worth to spend so much of your time investigating this, what is the reason you are investigating this and when and why did you start to doubt his death.

I doubted his death after I had seen the movie. Not because of the hidden clues, i didn't knew anything about that. I liked him in the seventy's and the eighty's but I diddn't pay much attention to him till he died. After the movie I realized that there was something wrong, I expected a sick depressed MJ. So I started with youtube, watching the documentary's, listening to his songs and read the comments from youtubbers. Some of them were very interesting. Than the hoax video's and finally this website

5.
Post 1 (youtube) video of which you think is the most convincing regarding the hoax clues.

6.
Post 1 (youtube) video or video series of a well known conspiracy of which you think is the most convincing (JFK, Lady Di, 9/11, Global warming, HAARP, federal reserve, MJ himself etc.)

[youtube:1x666hvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0HuxdHJDeE[/youtube:1x666hvw]
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