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I'm not saying this to hurt people's feelings, but I think it needs to be said. Some are delusional, not being able to recognise a person: everyone is Michael in disguise or an actor and Michael is a double. This is dissociation, not being able anymore to tell the difference between reality and fantasy, which are psychiatric symptoms of paranoid or schizophrenic nature ("seeing things"). It is no use trying to debunk such delusional perceptions, as these people really believe they see these things: to them, it's real.
Quote from: "Raven"I'm not saying this to hurt people's feelings, but I think it needs to be said. Some are delusional, not being able to recognise a person: everyone is Michael in disguise or an actor and Michael is a double. This is dissociation, not being able anymore to tell the difference between reality and fantasy, which are psychiatric symptoms of paranoid or schizophrenic nature ("seeing things"). It is no use trying to debunk such delusional perceptions, as these people really believe they see these things: to them, it's real. THAT was way out of line Raven. I have no problems with people stating their opinion and adding their personal opinion, but accusing your fellow forum members of suffering from mental diseases because their opinions and believes differ from yours is too much to accept and move on like nothing happened.
Reality hits hard, and a lot of fans prefer to dismiss reality to not get disillusioned, they prefer holding on to what they were told and to keep their dream alive. That's human nature, it's protecting yourself from feeling hurt and deceived, and I totally understand that.
Quote from: "*Mo*"Quote from: "Raven"I'm not saying this to hurt people's feelings, but I think it needs to be said. Some are delusional, not being able to recognise a person: everyone is Michael in disguise or an actor and Michael is a double. This is dissociation, not being able anymore to tell the difference between reality and fantasy, which are psychiatric symptoms of paranoid or schizophrenic nature ("seeing things"). It is no use trying to debunk such delusional perceptions, as these people really believe they see these things: to them, it's real. THAT was way out of line Raven. I have no problems with people stating their opinion and adding their personal opinion, but accusing your fellow forum members of suffering from mental diseases because their opinions and believes differ from yours is too much to accept and move on like nothing happened.Quote from: "*Mo*" Reality hits hard, and a lot of fans prefer to dismiss reality to not get disillusioned, they prefer holding on to what they were told and to keep their dream alive. That's human nature, it's protecting yourself from feeling hurt and deceived, and I totally understand that.So what YOU say is not out of line? Fans that say Michael is Michael are disillusioned?I think you're acknowledging that some are delusional, however the delusion is seeing doubles in EVERY of Michael's appearances and Michael in disguise in EVERY person: NOT that Michael is Michael.
I have been working with fans for over a decade now and became very familiar with the way a lot of fans react when something they wholeheartedly believed in turns out to be not true. A PR image is a creation, and in a lot of cases it has little to do with the artist's real personality. A PR image is only created to generate sales and money. It's an illusion. The entire entertainment industry is one big ILLusion, it's all about $$$$$. Reality hits hard, and a lot of fans prefer to dismiss reality to not get disillusioned, they prefer holding on to what they were told and to keep their dream alive. That's human nature, it's protecting yourself from feeling hurt and deceived, and I totally understand that.
i am open to possibilities, but i have my beliefs that i have concluded from what came out of michael's mouth directly. the love for his fans is proof enough for me that he wouldn't use a double at least for a concert. the stage was a second home, he said so himself. i don't think he'd give up that experience to feel the love that the crowd emitted to someone else who could look like him. and yes, anything is possible...because michael jackson is doing it- not a double. i just hope that people can share their opinions without being made feel like they're ignorant and blind because they don't agree. please believe me, i say this with no disrespect. much love.
It's a fact Michael used doubles, but not identical doubles. Like some mentioned, he would use a double for stunts or as a general decoy for paparazzi, but not for performances or for instance official photoshoots. It's a matter of being able to relativate things. It is surgically or with the use of prosthetic make up simply not possible to create an identical double to the microscopic level. If it were, Michael would have had the perfect nose again without having been ridiculed by the tabloids and the rest of world.The main reason most people recognize the person as Michael is because it IS Michael. This has nothing to do with feelings, as some in here are advocating.
Mykidsmum,I totally agree with you, so I will not repeat what you just wrote. Like you, I have also considered leaving the forum as it hardly provides me with new insights or data. Most of the time it boils down to trying to debunk other people's ideas instead.Some might believe they are doing a "clinical investigation", but from my point of view it's more like kindergarden. In particular the green man discussion, or the "identical doubles" discussion come across as extremely silly and immature and at the same time disrespectful towards Michael. It's a fact Michael used doubles, but not identical doubles. Like some mentioned, he would use a double for stunts or as a general decoy for paparazzi, but not for performances or for instance official photoshoots. It's a matter of being able to relativate things. It is surgically or with the use of prosthetic make up simply not possible to create an identical double to the microscopic level. If it were, Michael would have had the perfect nose again without having been ridiculed by the tabloids and the rest of world.The main reason most people recognize the person as Michael is because it IS Michael. This has nothing to do with feelings, as some in here are advocating. I'm not saying this to hurt people's feelings, but I think it needs to be said. Some are delusional, not being able to recognise a person: everyone is Michael in disguise or an actor and Michael is a double. This is dissociation, not being able anymore to tell the difference between reality and fantasy, which are psychiatric symptoms of paranoid or schizophrenic nature ("seeing things"). It is no use trying to debunk such delusional perceptions, as these people really believe they see these things: to them, it's real. It discredits the whole hoax discussion, which is probably also the main reason why the possibility of a hoax is hardly being discussed in the media.
So, I am not a "FAN" in the classical sense. I don't refuse to see things because Michael (oooh ahhh) would never do that...and for the record, I'm usually the one telling everyone that the way you all think he is...how he is in public, how he has crafted his persona...this is a bunch of bull! He was one of the biggest manipulators ever! I've had my fair share of "fans" tell me not to use that word about him...but it's the truth! He manipulated people for his own gain...not monetary, but for other reasons.
@mykidsmum. I totally agree with you.Michael Jackson was a troubled genious and thats why we all love him and are intrigued by him.. he was so complicated!!In the Schmuley books he even conceded that himself, with the use of mannequins in his house. He said he knew something was wrong and that it wasnt right to act like that.Michael gave us amazing joy in his performances and his voice.. but it came at a price. He was a perfectionist to the extreme and he was very insecure.It is hard to believe when we look at BAD pictures as we see perfection.. Michael saw ugliness when he could bare to look in the mirror. And unfortunately, there were many plastic surgeons ready to take his cash and do unnecessary surgeries.The make up, i believe, was a reaction to the Vitiligo. He started wearing it in Bad era as a reaction to his changing skin. He also used it as a "mask" - to hide from the World. Same as his sunglasses, hats and masks... he didnt want to be stared at all the time.Michael also had major OCD... he had an obsessive nature. He was obssessed over his work and his music and his dancing which gave the world positive gifts, but when he used his obsession against himself it had a self destructive effect.Michael was a human being. He had many gifts, many positives.. but also had negatives and flaws.. most of which were all in his own head. He was fighting his own inner demons.I identify with that.. ive had my own demons to battle - so i understand Michael on that level. And it makes me love him more.
I do believe that Michael had body dismorphia. :cry: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginit disturbs me how such a deeply caring, beautiful soul can hate what he sees when we see the opposite
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