Anyone any thoughts on this....please help (double theory)

[mjkate]

I am sooo confused about this. Just when I think i have it figured out something happens to change my mind. I really do think there are 2 Michaels as some of you are speculating. I am even pretty sure there could be 2 from the beginning. I have a theory on that but I am too afraid to say who I think it could be because it's offensive if I am wrong and I am upset with myself for even thinking it. Anyway back to my dilemma. Is there a Michael Joe and a Michael Joseph who are 2 different people? Let's pretend that everything that has been put out there can be believed. Here we go; since Michael Joseph has the death cert and the will in his name...I'll assume he is the one who died. If true then he is the one who is 5'9" since that is what was said in the autopsy. Deborah Landis and Zaldi have both measured him for costumes and they say he is 5'9". If were still going with this then we could say that Michael Joe did Thriller and costumes for TII were made for Michael Joe. Joseph married LMP (marriage cert) and Debbie Rowe and had the kids (birth cert). Then I get to the trial in 05 - he is 5'11' but in court docs he is Michael Joe so there goes my theory.  :| Unless Michael Joe was too upset to go to court and Michael Joseph allowed himself to be arrested in his place. Or unless a double was arrested and fingerprinted etc. How would they have known they had the real Michael Jackson that day? I read once that E Casanova was asked to do something in November 03. Is he 5'11'? I always thought the mug shot looked really different than any MJ I had seen up to that point. Thanks for reading.

[alive]

I really don't know but I agree with you about the mug shot. when I first saw that on the news I was like what...that does not look like Michael Jackson but I dismissed it thinking that mug shots are typically terrible but now when you see his height as 5"11 we know that's wrong so who did they measure that day? And they do make you take off your shoes when your booked. I don't know. So many things are off. :?

[Steph16]

The fingerprints they got from mike at the police station matched those of the fingerprints on the porn mags they used for evidence in the trial that were hidden in his house. I think the mug shot is the real him.

[scorpionchik]

Since we know forever that Jacksons have 9 children (Marlon's twin died long time ago), so physically there are 9 children, then Michael does not have twin ot there are no 2 Michaels. But, I think very possible that Michael made some ID as Michael Joe or Joseph Jackson (to confuse people) to one his  impersonators to use not only for public appearance but also just in other different cases. Michael is genious, right? Maybe that impersonator is the one who passed away, I hope. (sorry my God)

[mjkate]

thank you to all who replied. i think we'll get closer to solving this (even if it takes piecing it together piece by piece) I know, I am so conscious of not wanting to say that someone died. I hope there was no body to be honest. My one thought that I have found offensive even to myself was (since the Jackson's birth records are sealed) I wondered if Marlon's twin really didn't die and maybe that was the extra Jackson. (sorry my god!!) I know that is extremely unlikely and I think I am going insane. Do any of you know WHY the Jackson's birth records are sealed??

[awesome1]

The fingerprints they got from mike at the police station matched those of the fingerprints on the porn mags they used for evidence in the trial that were hidden in his house. I think the mug shot is the real him.

that mug shot i just cant look at anymore.... took one look and scared the shit outta me ... (Sorry Michael)

[RK]

thank you to all who replied. i think we'll get closer to solving this (even if it takes piecing it together piece by piece) I know, I am so conscious of not wanting to say that someone died. I hope there was no body to be honest. My one thought that I have found offensive even to myself was (since the Jackson's birth records are sealed) I wondered if Marlon's twin really didn't die and maybe that was the extra Jackson. (sorry my god!!) I know that is extremely unlikely and I think I am going insane. Do any of you know WHY the Jackson's birth records are sealed??

I have also entertained the  idea from time to time that Marlon's twin could have still been alive  as well.  I'll put my head on the block with this one and go further to say, [this is only my opinion and gut feeling here] and if we read between the lines and draw from what is being implied but not necessarily stated , I think that the times we've seen MJ and Bubbles dressed exactly the same, could have been Joker's way of letting us in on the gag.  I read a post from Liz Taylor after the supposed passing of MJ and she was reminiscing on when they first met. Before Mike visitted her, he rang to see if she would mind if he brought his chimp along as well, and she said sure, why not. It left me feeling very odd and then she tweeted to look at the man in the mirror.  Also while on tour I have read that Mike did not socialize with the rest of the crew members or the band. This seems also odd unless there was something to be kept secret.
As you can see how weird my thoughts can be I encourage you to just be courageous and say what you are thinking.

[Butterflyaway]

Interesting topic although I really don't have a theory on the topic.

The Mugshot DID NOT LOOK LIKE MJ AT ALL.  I remember seeing it and going he didn't even look like then going in or coming out of the jail, so how the hell did he end up looking like that on the mugshot.  Anyway that remains a mystery.

Hummm I don't think MJ had a twin, I don't think that is something that could be hidden because even though MJ was very powerful and influencial, he didn't have that when he was younger.  All that info would have been exposed.

I guess maybe that Joe and Joseph were used interchangeably, he only shortened his middle name.

So I guess the key to this question is to find out is it acceptable to use a shortened middle name; we all know it's fine to use just the first letter.

[2good2btrue]

Well I agree with the mug shot photo.  He sort of looked "freakish" and very "odd" (sorry Michael).  But from day 1, I always thought there was definitely an attempt on someones life, and because MJ uses  a double stand in at rehearsals, it could have been the look-a-like that was injured or killed during rehearsals or something.  That's why the FBI and CIA had to be involved.  It's now getting closer to finding the real killers and the best way to do that, is if they believe MJ is really dead!!! If any of the dancers or band members and Kenny Ortega witnessed it, they would also have a gag order, until the person or persons are captured and put away.  So this very elaborate plan, cannot be done by MJ alone.  He is in protective custody and is allowed some freedom as long as he is in disguise.  That's why the family are not really lying at all, and keep saying he was murdered, but never can say who it was.  MJ (impersonater) was killed.  They are playing the part of making sure it looks real.  And that's the only time the real MJ can come back safely.  When the  murders are caught and jailed.  Now that's a story and a half !!!     I must be going crazy  .  As always with L.O.V.E  xox

[Zen]

by mjkate » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:46 am
I am sooo confused about this. Just when I think i have it figured out something happens to change my mind. I really do think there are 2 Michaels as some of you are speculating. I am even pretty sure there could be 2 from the beginning. I have a theory on that but I am too afraid to say who I think it could be because it's offensive if I am wrong

Is your theory Marlon's twin or someone else?
Those who think the mug shot is scary, need not feel alone!
Instead of us worrying about being or sounding like we are
being of offensive, it is getting close to the time, we should
feel offended.
Some are not looking at total package of bill of goods.  This
whole package we are expected to buy and keep our minds closed.

[*Mo*]

We still would like to know who Mike J Jackson is (born January 28, 1960) who is listed below Michael J Jackson, under the relatives of Katherine Jackson when you search for her details on Intelius.

We pulled the background report of Mike J Jackson, and all real estate of which we know it's owned by Michael Jackson, is listed under his name.

[Zen]

I didn't forget about that one either.  But where did this one
live or was born at?   Was it in Indiana?

[*Mo*]

Intelius background reports don't list the place of birth.

What it does show is that Mike J Jackson lived at 4641 Hayvenhurst:

More screenshots of the Intelius backgound check of Mike J Jackson are shown in our blog "The Mike J Jackson ~ Michael J Jackson thing again" at http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... ing-again/

[Jacksonology]

IMO, the only double that was used in Michael's life may of had been Mike Jackson.

[*Mo*]

IMO, the only double that was used in Michael's life may of had been Mike Jackson.

That doesn't explain Michael Jackson's real estate listed in Mike J Jackson's name, i.e. the Hayvenhurst house, co owned with LaToya, unless he changed his name to Mike J Jackson.  But then I'd like an explanation as to why Michael J Jackson is still listed as one of Katherine's relatives.  When names have changed, Intelius only shows the new name, not the old one next to the new one.

We pulled the background report for Michael J Jackson as well, and it shows NONE of Michael Jackson's real estate.