PARIS MEMORIAL SPEECH,NEED CLARIFICATION

Started by scorpionchik, April 11, 2010, 06:05:57 PM

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scorpionchikTopic starter

April 11, 2010, 06:05:57 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI

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April 11, 2010, 06:08:15 PM #1 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Clever girl ;)


michaelsupporter

April 11, 2010, 06:17:35 PM #2 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Agree.....that is what I have been thinking all along....... :D

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Lou

April 11, 2010, 06:28:33 PM #3 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

He has been = he was (in the past) and still is (in present time)  ;)


whatyourheartsays

April 11, 2010, 06:52:03 PM #4 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I'm not sure but as she wanted people to know his dad was the best father and that she would always love him, maybe she wanted to say that this "good father" state, would last forever...
I don't think we can have clue about it.

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scorpionchikTopic starter

April 11, 2010, 07:04:30 PM #5 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "whatyourheartsays"

I'm not sure but as she wanted people to know his dad was the best father and that she would always love him, maybe she wanted to say that this "good father" state, would last forever...
I don't think we can have clue about it.

"she wanted people to know his dad was the best father "
That's what I am talking about; should be used WAS as you stated, not HAS BEEN. If Paris wanted to emphasize Michael as the "best father", it would not downgrade her dad from being BEST FATHER even if she would have been used  past tense.
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NickJ47

April 11, 2010, 10:55:26 PM #6 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Notice that just prior to giving this statement at the memorial, Paris seems preoccupied with her handbag. In a matter of seconds she is concentrating on the speech and is now crying.

Good acting perhaps?

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bec

April 11, 2010, 11:13:55 PM #7 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "scorpionchik"

My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI

You're right... good observation!

I always thought that line sounded awkward.

Are you entertained?

MJonmind

April 11, 2010, 11:25:01 PM #8 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I agree that it means past continued to today, or you would use past "was". Good find!


MashMike

April 12, 2010, 02:31:31 AM #9 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

scorpionchik wrote:My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI

Great finding, Paris is a smart girl to use a arong tense, she ,sure, knows when past simple and when pr.perfect tenses are used to make such a mistake, great finding.

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April 12, 2010, 07:44:49 AM #10 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "scorpionchik"

My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI

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April 12, 2010, 09:27:28 AM #11 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Never thought about it like that, but it makes sense!

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April 12, 2010, 11:19:25 AM #12 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "scorpionchik"

My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI

Yes, I agree. It's really weird that she chose to say it like that.
Something that always has made me react is that in so many interviews people talk about Michael in present tense aswell. And if they talk about him as dead, they almost always use the expression "not with us anymore" or "when he left us" or other expressions with a similar tone, not "when he died". Interesting.

mjssoulmate

April 12, 2010, 09:44:15 PM #13 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "scorpionchik"

My attention saddenly caught the verb tense Paris used in her speech. Where she says:"Daddy HAS BEEN the best father..." instead of WAS as should be when the exact date and time of the past and non continuous event is known. Paris genuinely and automatically  instead of Past Tense used correct Past Participle Tense  that according to Longman Dictionary describied: been- the Past Participle of Be-"have/has been used in the order to say that someone has gone to a place and come back"; or internet grammar education site I found says: has/have (not) + past participle; the past participle by using the present perfect tense. It shows something that started in the past, but continues until now.
I might be wrong since English is not my native language. Please comment what do you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjgX-8i6YiI

LOL
This was discussed in July 2009.  Where have you people been?  I feel like we keep going round and round in a circle.  No offense!
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scorpionchikTopic starter

April 12, 2010, 10:07:22 PM #14 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

"LOL
This was discussed in July 2009. Where have you people been? I feel like we keep going round and round in a circle. No offense!"

How you could discuss this in July 2009 if you joined this site : on Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:16 pm ?   :roll:

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