Anyone any thoughts on this....please help (double theory)

Started by mjkate, April 11, 2010, 07:46:36 PM

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I am sooo confused about this. Just when I think i have it figured out something happens to change my mind. I really do think there are 2 Michaels as some of you are speculating. I am even pretty sure there could be 2 from the beginning. I have a theory on that but I am too afraid to say who I think it could be because it's offensive if I am wrong and I am upset with myself for even thinking it. Anyway back to my dilemma. Is there a Michael Joe and a Michael Joseph who are 2 different people? Let's pretend that everything that has been put out there can be believed. Here we go; since Michael Joseph has the death cert and the will in his name...I'll assume he is the one who died. If true then he is the one who is 5'9" since that is what was said in the autopsy. Deborah Landis and Zaldi have both measured him for costumes and they say he is 5'9". If were still going with this then we could say that Michael Joe did Thriller and costumes for TII were made for Michael Joe. Joseph married LMP (marriage cert) and Debbie Rowe and had the kids (birth cert). Then I get to the trial in 05 - he is 5'11' but in court docs he is Michael Joe so there goes my theory.  :| Unless Michael Joe was too upset to go to court and Michael Joseph allowed himself to be arrested in his place. Or unless a double was arrested and fingerprinted etc. How would they have known they had the real Michael Jackson that day? I read once that E Casanova was asked to do something in November 03. Is he 5'11'? I always thought the mug shot looked really different than any MJ I had seen up to that point. Thanks for reading.

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simalves

Yes they did make him a year or two younger and so could have got a fake birth certificate for that.

I think that this double only came into existence after the dangerous tour - after the first allegations.

The double theory is strange for me - because if Michael had a double to fill in because he did not like to tour or socialize why did the double also back out last minute from all the appearances. He is obviously there as a stand in - so why did he not? It is strange to have a double who also just goes out in masks and never entertains the public. I can understand one with a phobia, why two?

I don't think this double existed from small, cos definitely they would have exploited him and not kept him to be an understudy. Joe was all about the business and he would have tried to capitalize on any other child talent.

Also, after the case verdict, Michael was said to have ODed - could something terrible have happened to him then?


wendst6

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I think that this double only came into existence after the dangerous tour - after the first allegations.

But he already had in the original Bad video a double, that was before the Dangerous era.

//[url=http][img]http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5321/bad21.jpg[/img][/url]

...and here is the original video. From 2:49 it is the other Michael.

[youtube:py1g82v4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEjPMOL8ho[/youtube:py1g82v4]


THE JACKSONOLOGIST

the vid wont play...it says property of SONY.....bastards.

I think its MJ all the way. Vids are shot over the course of a few days...so his hair may look different


Jacksonology

Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"

the vid wont play...it says property of SONY.....bastards.

I think its MJ all the way. Vids are shot over the course of a few days...so his hair may look different

do you wonder why the video was removed? because maybe Sony made a oops knowing a double was in the video.?


THE JACKSONOLOGIST

Quote from: "Jacksonology"

Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"

the vid wont play...it says property of SONY.....bastards.

I think its MJ all the way. Vids are shot over the course of a few days...so his hair may look different

do you wonder why the video was removed? because maybe Sony made a oops knowing a double was in the video.?

well then they should have realised that 20-some yrs ago. When youtube came out they should have pulled it then.


wendst6

Tried it once so. I hope you can see it.

from 1.53

[youtube:slqn9i4s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b8k65r7hc4&feature=fvw[/youtube:slqn9i4s]


MJJ1982

I found this about E'Cas:

E'Casanova, 26, has been standing in for Jacko on product endorsements and in pop videos without arousing any suspicion among even the most loyal fans.

He claims he's NEVER had plastic surgery despite being almost IDENTICAL to the superstar.

E'Casanova even fooled telly presenter Richard Madeley when he turned up for his ITV (1) See interactive TV.

(2) (iTV) The code name for Apple's video media hub (see Apple TV).  show This Morning yesterday.

Richard told him: "You really are Michael Jackson. How's the chimp?"
COPYRIGHT 1997 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
No portion of this article can be reproduced without the express written permission from the copyright holder.
Copyright 1997 Gale, Cengage Learning. All rights reserved.

If it's true, he was born in 1971... And the story that he was a toddler during J5 era isn't true...
It's annoying that I can't find his birth date...
You are a strange guy E'cas  ;)

\'Just because it\'s in print, doesn\'t mean it\'s the gospel\'

\'A star can never die. It just turns into a smile and melts back into the cosmic music, the Dance of Life\'
You\'re just another part of me... I love YOU more...

Jacksonology

Quote from: "MJJ1982"

I found this about E'Cas:

E'Casanova, 26, has been standing in for Jacko on product endorsements and in pop videos without arousing any suspicion among even the most loyal fans.

He claims he's NEVER had plastic surgery despite being almost IDENTICAL to the superstar.

E'Casanova even fooled telly presenter Richard Madeley when he turned up for his ITV (1) See interactive TV.

(2) (iTV) The code name for Apple's video media hub (see Apple TV).  show This Morning yesterday.

Richard told him: "You really are Michael Jackson. How's the chimp?"
COPYRIGHT 1997 Scottish Daily Record & Sunday
No portion of this article can be reproduced without the express written permission from the copyright holder.
Copyright 1997 Gale, Cengage Learning. All rights reserved.

If it's true, he was born in 1971... And the story that he was a toddler during J5 era isn't true...
It's annoying that I can't find his birth date...
You are a strange guy E'cas  ;)

Yes, i been looking all over the Internet  can't find nothing about his Age!


MJJ1982

I gave up on searching for his age... I hope someone knows/finds it...
I don't know why, but it's strange that his birth date is never mentioned. I mean, from the most people (especially famous people) you can find it, but not from E'Cas...

\'Just because it\'s in print, doesn\'t mean it\'s the gospel\'

\'A star can never die. It just turns into a smile and melts back into the cosmic music, the Dance of Life\'
You\'re just another part of me... I love YOU more...

nynyro

I don't think he used doubles in the "Bad" video.   One screenshot has him squinting and  curling his upper lip, that's why he looks different.


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