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The "Michael would never..." argument

Started by Bee Bee, April 07, 2010, 12:19:10 PM

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April 07, 2010, 12:19:10 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

There are many people who are very allergic to the thought of Michael faking his death, and they immediately dismiss any theory, simply because they believe or they "know" he would never do something like this.

They say he would never do it to his children. Even though nobody knows if he's not spending time with them every now and then or even most of the time. They say he would never do it to his fans. But who knows what Michael thinks his fans want? What if he knew he couldn't survive the 50 shows and his only other option would've been to cancel? What kinda reaction would he have expected from his fans? And not even I want to imagine the reactions. He would've been laughed at by the public, and many fans would've been extremely disappointed. But still, people will tell you he would never fake his death, simply because he wouldn't. Because he's too good to do something like that. They might say Michael has a very strong faith in God and would never do something like this because it's simply wrong. How about the elephant man's bones and oxygen chamber stories though, and the big possibility that Michael might've been the mastermind behind those hoaxes? I know, faking your death is another story. But...

What do you think and what do you say when people use those kind of arguments?



If you'd only come to me, my heart wouldn't be full of sorrow
But now all I can do is hope and pray that you'll come to me
tomorrow

D
April 07, 2010, 12:22:00 PM #1 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

All I can say is no-one knows what MJ would or wouldn't do unless they know him intimately.



I'M A LOVER, NOT A FIGHTER

I
April 07, 2010, 12:28:04 PM #2 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I think the people who say "Michael would never do this..." need to get a grip. They don't have any knowledge of what Michael would and would not do. He could be a completely different person behind closed doors than what he appears in person. So unless they know Michael personally, they really don't have an arguement.


G
April 07, 2010, 12:42:13 PM #3 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I have stopped making comments to people who claim to know what MJ would or would not do. They were not convinced and I ended up getting headaches. Their minds are pretty much made. People see what they see and believe what they believe. It's like a teacher trying to tell a parent that her child is the class bully. The child is an angel at home so the parent believes that her child is an angel in school and would never pick on other children.  Until some people see things firsthand then they are not willing to truly believe what is told to them.


I
April 07, 2010, 12:45:07 PM #4 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"

I have stopped making comments to people who claim to know what MJ would or would not do. They were not convinced and I ended up getting headaches. Their minds are pretty much made. People see what they see and believe what they believe. It's like a teacher trying to tell a parent that her child is the class bully. The child is an angel at home so the parent believes that her child is an angel in school and would never pick on other children.  Until some people see things firsthand then they are not willing to truly believe what is told to them.

VERY WELL SAID

   
~[size=150]HEAL THE WORLD[/size]~
i march to the beat of MJs drum

*
April 07, 2010, 01:23:11 PM #5 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"

I have stopped making comments to people who claim to know what MJ would or would not do. They were not convinced and I ended up getting headaches. Their minds are pretty much made. People see what they see and believe what they believe. It's like a teacher trying to tell a parent that her child is the class bully. The child is an angel at home so the parent believes that her child is an angel in school and would never pick on other children.  Until some people see things firsthand then they are not willing to truly believe what is told to them.


M
April 07, 2010, 01:25:49 PM #6 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Honestly, I do find it as non valid as "Michael want us to...", "Michael had to do this in order of...", "Michael is alive, no doubts about it.../ we all know Michael is alive...". We all are just guessing and speculating. We all are supossing things, one way or another.

Also, I believe that the ones saying "Michael would never..." really mean that he would never... If the reason is not valid enough, e.g he was being treathened.

"Won't you just let me be?..."

S
April 07, 2010, 01:42:13 PM #7 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

here's something I pointed out to someone who thinks he is dead due to drug taking....

Person : I believe Mj was on drugs......

Me : little thought here, gee wouldn't that hurt his children?

Person : well, he didn't fake his death, that wouldn't be fair to his children

Me : ok, so let me get this right, he took drugs everyday, and that would affect and hurt his kids, but he wouldn't fake his death to save his life, cause that would hurt his kids...think long and hard about what you just said .

option 1.The man is alive cause he wasn't doing drugs, and faked his death to save himself..   I like this option 8-)
or
option number 2
he was hurting and needed sleep and the Doc fucked up, and MJ was murdered.

SAVE UR CASH, DON\'T BUY TABLOID TRASH.

]

R
April 07, 2010, 03:38:52 PM #8 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

People often say "he would not fake his death, he would never do that TO his kids". True, but he would do it FOR his kids. For instance, to protect them.


J
April 07, 2010, 03:57:11 PM #9 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "Bee Bee"

There are many people who are very allergic to the thought of Michael faking his death, and they immediately dismiss any theory, simply because they believe or they "know" he would never do something like this.

They say he would never do it to his children. Even though nobody knows if he's not spending time with them every now and then or even most of the time. They say he would never do it to his fans. But who knows what Michael thinks his fans want? What if he knew he couldn't survive the 50 shows and his only other option would've been to cancel? What kinda reaction would he have expected from his fans? And not even I want to imagine the reactions. He would've been laughed at by the public, and many fans would've been extremely disappointed. But still, people will tell you he would never fake his death, simply because he wouldn't. Because he's too good to do something like that. They might say Michael has a very strong faith in God and would never do something like this because it's simply wrong. How about the elephant man's bones and oxygen chamber stories though, and the big possibility that Michael might've been the mastermind behind those hoaxes? I know, faking your death is another story. But...What do you think and what do you say when people use those kind of arguments?

Good job. omg the amount of people that do that and not just with the hoax but with anything. Just the thought of Michael doing something "normal" or something imperfect the automatically bring in the " he would never" how do they know? i didnt realize they were so close with him? like dang no one, not one fan knows Michael well enough to say he would or wouldnt do something, none of us know him to that point so to make those assumptions is quite stupid. next time someone says that im asking them for his number since they know him so well :lol:
I LOVE THIS BOY !!
My Heart Belongs To Michael Joseph Jackson!

D
April 07, 2010, 04:24:22 PM #10 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

But you can twist that around and say -

we cant say what Michael would and would not do.  How do we know he didnt take drugs willingly and use uppers and downers.  How do we know he didnt ask for Propofol and took it, even know he knew the risks - how do we know that the story he was using Propofol as far back as the 80's to sleep on tour during Bad?

I have an open mind on this...  and its just as easy to say that the "Michael would never take Propofol to sleep..  Michael would never use uppers in the day..... Michael would never endanger his life like this.. " are just as redundant and unproveable at the moment.


avatar_hesouttamylife
April 07, 2010, 05:08:00 PM #11 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

The only true thing that I know Michael would never do is commit suicide, so Conrad Murray, get another defense.  This one won't ride.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

R
April 07, 2010, 05:15:20 PM #12 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

According to the reports the defence is not claiming Michael committed suicide. They suggest it is possible that he became impatient and decided to administer propofol himself.


M
April 07, 2010, 05:19:22 PM #13 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"

The only true thing that I know Michael would never do is commit suicide, so Conrad Murray, get another defense.  This one won't ride.

Sorry..But you would not know that either!
You only can looke at the evidence..what possibly happened.
My opinion!
Sorry for my English
Mattie

avatar_hesouttamylife
April 07, 2010, 05:34:38 PM #14 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

What I know in my heart, is what I KNOW.  Me. not YOU. :roll:   There is a difference.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said