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I don't think it's really such BS...

It's known he liked to sleep with the full lights on. And who in their right minds wants to use an operating room anesthetic given by IV to get to sleep?
Also, it's possible to develop a cafeine addiction. For instance, Robbie Williams was treated for it in a rehab clinic after his last tour.

We could easily say 'the doctor should have told him how to sleep", i.e. no lights on, no sound, no drinking before going to bed, no cafeine or stressfull activities right before bedtime, but it is well possible that Michael just did whatever he wanted and ignored all these advices. He wanted the lights on, he wanted sound around, he wanted an IV, he wanted propofol. Just like his spending habits. Want to buy a gold plated chair, want Mickey Mouse. Ofcourse it's the duty of a physician to say no, but on the other hand some patients can be very demanding.

It needs to be proven he was not able to administer it himself as the coroner ruled, otherwise  I'm concerned this is heading towards reasonable doubt.


doctors end up doing what the patient demand since he is paying for his work

you know  "the customer is always right" is universal  this phrase


disagree.  Doctors are under oath to "do no harm" and have a DUTY OF CARE to patients.  Patients are not customers.  MJ was not "consuming" from the doctor - he was paid to look after MJs health.
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Doctors end up doing what the patient demand since he is paying for his work.

You know  "the customer is always right" is universal  this phrase

Yes, the unescrupulous ones do that.
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I suffer from insonmio, and in my case I assure you that when I sleep the least desire is to hear noises or have a light on ;)
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luchy

I'd forgotten it :?

But going back to Coke, this drink also contains caffeine also has potassium that addicts people. Do not know if this is true.  :roll:
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well he is the King of Pop
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Dont forget that usually when you go in for an operation they tell you NOT to eat of drink anything after midnight they day of your surgery. SO..........if MJ WAS a propofol addict, he wouldnt be able to eat or drink much of anything if he took this crap every night...know what I mean?

They tell you this so you do not vomit while "under" the drug...so why would MJ be any different? He wouldnt...If he drank as much coke or liquids that theyre saying he did then why wouldnt Murray or even MJ himself known that you shouldnt ingest anything before getting anesthesia??????????????????????????   :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:


I smell BS....and lots of it!! Brings you shovels!!
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Dont forget that usually when you go in for an operation they tell you NOT to eat of drink anything after midnight they day of your surgery. SO..........if MJ WAS a propofol addict, he wouldnt be able to eat or drink much of anything if he took this crap every night...know what I mean?

They tell you this so you do not vomit while "under" the drug...so why would MJ be any different? He wouldnt...If he drank as much coke or liquids that theyre saying he did then why wouldnt Murray or even MJ himself known that you shouldnt ingest anything before getting anesthesia??????????????????????????   :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:


I smell BS....and lots of it!! Brings you shovels!!

OH, you're so right ! How can you get anesthesia in your everyday life, whereas anesthesia is supposed to make you vomit in your sleep and KILL you. When you get to hospital for surgery, you're supposed not to eat or drink 6h before at least...If Michael was used to propofol, it means he never had any food or drink ? Do anyone knows if propofol is the kind of product that needs such behaviour ?
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I think it is....they would give you this for total sedation. Heart surgery or any major surgery. And for any surgery where you need to be completely out, then youre not allowed to eat or drink anything........
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Quote from: "the arabian nights"
cola dissolves your teeth mike had great teeth

 I was just about to make this comment too. Coke is sooooo bad for your teeth. Whenever i drink it (i try not to) it feels like a layer of sugar has coated my teeth. Also, i thought coke was used to clean the blood off the  road after traffic accidents. I remember when i was at school we put a tooth in a glass of coke over night to demonstrate the effect of sugar on the teeth. The next morning the tooth had almost completely dissolved! Anyway back to my point....i think this story is a load of BS. it shows how flimsy Murrays defense is - they are clearly clutching at straws.  i will not be shocked if this case gets thrown out of court!  :lol:  If Michael refused to "follow doctors orders" i.e no caffeinated drinks  before bed etc... then Murray should have walked away - his medical skills were being wasted. Obliviously, a patient cannot not be forced into following a docs advice etc... but like i said i think this story is a truck load of steaming BS!
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getting back to the propofol...all this crap that mj injected himself..have they not taken finger prints off the bottle??    :?
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:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  Oh tmz, you never cease to amaze me.
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cola dissolves your teeth mike had great teeth

 I was just about to make this comment too. Coke is sooooo bad for your teeth. Whenever i drink it (i try not to) it feels like a layer of sugar has coated my teeth. Also, i thought coke was used to clean the blood off the  road after traffic accidents. I remember when i was at school we put a tooth in a glass of coke over night to demonstrate the effect of sugar on the teeth. The next morning the tooth had almost completely dissolved! Anyway back to my point....i think this story is a load of BS. it shows how flimsy Murrays defense is - they are clearly clutching at straws.  i will not be shocked if this case gets thrown out of court!  :lol:  If Michael refused to "follow doctors orders" i.e no caffeinated drinks  before bed etc... then Murray should have walked away - his medical skills were being wasted. Obliviously, a patient cannot not be forced into following a docs advice etc... but like i said i think this story is a truck load of steaming BS!

brilliant

the story about fizzy pop for the king of pop is rubbish - typical Sun headline.

but if mike was not following advice or cm was out of his depth he should had said and asked mike to get anther doctor

mike had questions about him remember what arnie said on tmz
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getting back to the propofol...all this crap that mj injected himself..have they not taken finger prints off the bottle??    :?

We wont know the answer to that until the trial starts.
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Well well, we are witnessing a crazy media twist here.

Today news on Yahoo are on main page:
"Coca Cola is harmful for men and may turn them impotent".

Ha. And they believe we believe this. Ha.

It's a lousy translation by google but you may get the essential... Ha.

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paula-c

I think the autopsy report said that Michael produced semen .. ;)  :lol:
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