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I'm beggining to think that TMZ is on the hoax because they always have the news first. Seems that they're the only one to be contacted by the family or lawyers to make statements regarding the court case. Same for the pictures of Murray. Why would they choose a tabloid to make such statements and not a big well known channel like CNN ?Of course the news they release are not true because it's a hoax. They are at least hints to show us that all this is only shit, that media lies are blindly believed by medias themselves and by common people. This is to show us how easy it is to manipulate public opinion without any trustworthy sources ever mentionned. So I agree with you to not take what TMZ says as the truth and to always dissect things, read between the lines but there's obviously something going on with TMZ.
Quote from: "Sarahli"I'm beggining to think that TMZ is on the hoax because they always have the news first. Seems that they're the only one to be contacted by the family or lawyers to make statements regarding the court case. Same for the pictures of Murray. Why would they choose a tabloid to make such statements and not a big well known channel like CNN ?Of course the news they release are not true because it's a hoax. They are at least hints to show us that all this is only shit, that media lies are blindly believed by medias themselves and by common people. This is to show us how easy it is to manipulate public opinion without any trustworthy sources ever mentionned. So I agree with you to not take what TMZ says as the truth and to always dissect things, read between the lines but there's obviously something going on with TMZ.I love your brillant thoughts. Very well said, Sarahli. God bless you!
Quote from: "darkchild"Quote from: "Sarahli"I'm beggining to think that TMZ is on the hoax because they always have the news first. Seems that they're the only one to be contacted by the family or lawyers to make statements regarding the court case. Same for the pictures of Murray. Why would they choose a tabloid to make such statements and not a big well known channel like CNN ?Of course the news they release are not true because it's a hoax. They are at least hints to show us that all this is only shit, that media lies are blindly believed by medias themselves and by common people. This is to show us how easy it is to manipulate public opinion without any trustworthy sources ever mentionned. So I agree with you to not take what TMZ says as the truth and to always dissect things, read between the lines but there's obviously something going on with TMZ.I love your brillant thoughts. Very well said, Sarahli. God bless you! Thank you darkchild. God bless you too.
Quote from: "Sarahli"Quote from: "darkchild"Quote from: "Sarahli"I'm beggining to think that TMZ is on the hoax because they always have the news first. Seems that they're the only one to be contacted by the family or lawyers to make statements regarding the court case. Same for the pictures of Murray. Why would they choose a tabloid to make such statements and not a big well known channel like CNN ?Of course the news they release are not true because it's a hoax. They are at least hints to show us that all this is only shit, that media lies are blindly believed by medias themselves and by common people. This is to show us how easy it is to manipulate public opinion without any trustworthy sources ever mentionned. So I agree with you to not take what TMZ says as the truth and to always dissect things, read between the lines but there's obviously something going on with TMZ.I love your brillant thoughts. Very well said, Sarahli. God bless you! Thank you darkchild. God bless you too.You are very welcome, Sarahli! Very kind of you. I found this article this evening. I thought that you may find it interesting. It is from August 2009 talking about how TMZ first broke the news of MJ' "supposed" death vs how traditional news outlets like CNN reported an hour later. I truly hope that you enjoy it. God bless you many times over, and bless you for being here with us in this great adventure. It is all for MJ and all for L.O.V.E.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginCNN's Klein on Breaking News: 'Being First is Overrated'Posted by Jackie Alexander at 3:04 PM on Aug. 7, 2009Michael Jackson's death rocked the world of journalism as much as it rocked his global fan base. A non-traditional media outlet, TMZ, broke the story while mainstream media held off announcing his death for well over an hour.At the National Association of Black Journalists convention in Tampa on Thursday, media stalwarts discussed the dust-up that left many journalists wondering about media credibility and competition. KNBC-TV anchor Beverly White of Los Angeles moderated the panel, which was titled "Beat It, Bad or Dangerous? What Michael Jackson's Death Tells Us about Media Competition and the Future of Journalism." The discussion featured Toure, MSNBC contributor and Rolling Stone contributing editor; Bryan Monroe, former vice president and editorial director of Ebony and Jet; Jon Klein, president of CNN U.S.; Terence Samuel, deputy editor of TheRoot.com; and Adrienne Samuels Gibbs, senior editor at Ebony magazine.Panelists discussed the shifting ways in which breaking news is reported and, in particular, the traditional media's reticence to pronounce Jackson dead after Twitter and Facebook were abuzz with the news. When it comes to major events such as Jackson's death, Klein said, credibility is key. "We go through this all the time whenever there's a breaking story -- this tension of being first or right. You make damn sure that you got it right, and it's OK if someone else beats you to the punch," Klein said. "I often heard people say: 'I didn't believe it until I heard it on CNN. Our mission first is to be accurate. This whole thing about being first is overrated." Traditional journalism practices, Samuel said, won out when it came to the media's coverage of Jackson's death. "In some ways, despite all the tweeting and Facebooking," he said, "what you had here was a very old-time media scoop where somebody had better sources." Several of the panelists said they first heard of Jackson's death on Facebook and Twitter.Samuel argued that Twitter, albeit interesting, is not journalism. "The truth is that Facebook updates and tweets are not journalism. They're information," he said. "People have an extremely high demand for information."Toure disagreed with Samuel about Twitter, saying reporters and news consumers shouldn't give more or less credence to a story simply because of the way it's delivered. "The mode of delivery doesn't make it not journalism or journalism," he said. "... A tweet can be journalism."But online sources aren't the only competition. "Everything is our competition," Gibbs said. "Online news organizations -- they are designed to give you as-of-this-moment information. We feel where we compete with them is in the analysis." Gibbs noted that Ebony's September issue of the magazine was near completion when news of Jackson's death broke. Editors had to scramble, she said, to commission a commemorative issue. The role of celebrity gossip Web site, TMZ, came under scrutiny as attendees asked whether the site now has greater credibility since breaking the Jackson story. "TMZ was ahead of the story and they were right," Toure said. "And if it doesn't validate them, what will?"
Quote from: "darkchild"Quote from: "Sarahli"Quote from: "darkchild"Quote from: "Sarahli"I'm beggining to think that TMZ is on the hoax because they always have the news first. Seems that they're the only one to be contacted by the family or lawyers to make statements regarding the court case. Same for the pictures of Murray. Why would they choose a tabloid to make such statements and not a big well known channel like CNN ?Of course the news they release are not true because it's a hoax. They are at least hints to show us that all this is only shit, that media lies are blindly believed by medias themselves and by common people. This is to show us how easy it is to manipulate public opinion without any trustworthy sources ever mentionned. So I agree with you to not take what TMZ says as the truth and to always dissect things, read between the lines but there's obviously something going on with TMZ.I love your brillant thoughts. Very well said, Sarahli. God bless you! Thank you darkchild. God bless you too.You are very welcome, Sarahli! Very kind of you. I found this article this evening. I thought that you may find it interesting. It is from August 2009 talking about how TMZ first broke the news of MJ' "supposed" death vs how traditional news outlets like CNN reported an hour later. I truly hope that you enjoy it. God bless you many times over, and bless you for being here with us in this great adventure. It is all for MJ and all for L.O.V.E.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginCNN's Klein on Breaking News: 'Being First is Overrated'Posted by Jackie Alexander at 3:04 PM on Aug. 7, 2009Michael Jackson's death rocked the world of journalism as much as it rocked his global fan base. A non-traditional media outlet, TMZ, broke the story while mainstream media held off announcing his death for well over an hour.At the National Association of Black Journalists convention in Tampa on Thursday, media stalwarts discussed the dust-up that left many journalists wondering about media credibility and competition. KNBC-TV anchor Beverly White of Los Angeles moderated the panel, which was titled "Beat It, Bad or Dangerous? What Michael Jackson's Death Tells Us about Media Competition and the Future of Journalism." The discussion featured Toure, MSNBC contributor and Rolling Stone contributing editor; Bryan Monroe, former vice president and editorial director of Ebony and Jet; Jon Klein, president of CNN U.S.; Terence Samuel, deputy editor of TheRoot.com; and Adrienne Samuels Gibbs, senior editor at Ebony magazine.Panelists discussed the shifting ways in which breaking news is reported and, in particular, the traditional media's reticence to pronounce Jackson dead after Twitter and Facebook were abuzz with the news. When it comes to major events such as Jackson's death, Klein said, credibility is key. "We go through this all the time whenever there's a breaking story -- this tension of being first or right. You make damn sure that you got it right, and it's OK if someone else beats you to the punch," Klein said. "I often heard people say: 'I didn't believe it until I heard it on CNN. Our mission first is to be accurate. This whole thing about being first is overrated." Traditional journalism practices, Samuel said, won out when it came to the media's coverage of Jackson's death. "In some ways, despite all the tweeting and Facebooking," he said, "what you had here was a very old-time media scoop where somebody had better sources." Several of the panelists said they first heard of Jackson's death on Facebook and Twitter.Samuel argued that Twitter, albeit interesting, is not journalism. "The truth is that Facebook updates and tweets are not journalism. They're information," he said. "People have an extremely high demand for information."Toure disagreed with Samuel about Twitter, saying reporters and news consumers shouldn't give more or less credence to a story simply because of the way it's delivered. "The mode of delivery doesn't make it not journalism or journalism," he said. "... A tweet can be journalism."But online sources aren't the only competition. "Everything is our competition," Gibbs said. "Online news organizations -- they are designed to give you as-of-this-moment information. We feel where we compete with them is in the analysis." Gibbs noted that Ebony's September issue of the magazine was near completion when news of Jackson's death broke. Editors had to scramble, she said, to commission a commemorative issue. The role of celebrity gossip Web site, TMZ, came under scrutiny as attendees asked whether the site now has greater credibility since breaking the Jackson story. "TMZ was ahead of the story and they were right," Toure said. "And if it doesn't validate them, what will?"Thanks darkchild for this very interesting article. I especially loved the sentence with CNN cause I mentionned it in my post as being a trustworthy channel for many people. What I understand is that big channels prefer to be sure of such information (death of celebrity here) before broadcasting. Their credibility is in game. So it clearly means that when TMZ leaked the info there was no official source available. That's why they were first. Now I'm wonderin what source it was.... Thank you again. I'm proud to be with you in this great adventure. God bless you.
While you read TMZ's posts (not to forget other media) remember that it's a tabloid! You should be critical about it! I've noticed that they usually begin their posts with "sources tell". They don't tell us what those sources are. The source could be their own imagination! So don't get too down if there's something against the hoax theory. Neither should you get your hopes too high if they are sending messages pro-hoax. I think TMZ's own What's The Big Friggin' Difference series is a good example of how pictures can be manipulated. Also the stories could be half-made-up. Just something to think about.
Quote from: "suomursu"While you read TMZ's posts (not to forget other media) remember that it's a tabloid! You should be critical about it! I've noticed that they usually begin their posts with "sources tell". They don't tell us what those sources are. The source could be their own imagination! So don't get too down if there's something against the hoax theory. Neither should you get your hopes too high if they are sending messages pro-hoax. I think TMZ's own What's The Big Friggin' Difference series is a good example of how pictures can be manipulated. Also the stories could be half-made-up. Just something to think about.But don't forget: TMZ were the very first ones who reported Michaels "death". And the owner of TMZ is a friend of MJ
Quote from: "Sarahli"Quote from: "darkchild"Quote from: "Sarahli"Quote from: "darkchild"Quote from: "Sarahli"I'm beggining to think that TMZ is on the hoax because they always have the news first. Seems that they're the only one to be contacted by the family or lawyers to make statements regarding the court case. Same for the pictures of Murray. Why would they choose a tabloid to make such statements and not a big well known channel like CNN ?Of course the news they release are not true because it's a hoax. They are at least hints to show us that all this is only shit, that media lies are blindly believed by medias themselves and by common people. This is to show us how easy it is to manipulate public opinion without any trustworthy sources ever mentionned. So I agree with you to not take what TMZ says as the truth and to always dissect things, read between the lines but there's obviously something going on with TMZ.I love your brillant thoughts. Very well said, Sarahli. God bless you! Thank you darkchild. God bless you too.You are very welcome, Sarahli! Very kind of you. I found this article this evening. I thought that you may find it interesting. It is from August 2009 talking about how TMZ first broke the news of MJ' "supposed" death vs how traditional news outlets like CNN reported an hour later. I truly hope that you enjoy it. God bless you many times over, and bless you for being here with us in this great adventure. It is all for MJ and all for L.O.V.E.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginCNN's Klein on Breaking News: 'Being First is Overrated'Posted by Jackie Alexander at 3:04 PM on Aug. 7, 2009Michael Jackson's death rocked the world of journalism as much as it rocked his global fan base. A non-traditional media outlet, TMZ, broke the story while mainstream media held off announcing his death for well over an hour.At the National Association of Black Journalists convention in Tampa on Thursday, media stalwarts discussed the dust-up that left many journalists wondering about media credibility and competition. KNBC-TV anchor Beverly White of Los Angeles moderated the panel, which was titled "Beat It, Bad or Dangerous? What Michael Jackson's Death Tells Us about Media Competition and the Future of Journalism." The discussion featured Toure, MSNBC contributor and Rolling Stone contributing editor; Bryan Monroe, former vice president and editorial director of Ebony and Jet; Jon Klein, president of CNN U.S.; Terence Samuel, deputy editor of TheRoot.com; and Adrienne Samuels Gibbs, senior editor at Ebony magazine.Panelists discussed the shifting ways in which breaking news is reported and, in particular, the traditional media's reticence to pronounce Jackson dead after Twitter and Facebook were abuzz with the news. When it comes to major events such as Jackson's death, Klein said, credibility is key. "We go through this all the time whenever there's a breaking story -- this tension of being first or right. You make damn sure that you got it right, and it's OK if someone else beats you to the punch," Klein said. "I often heard people say: 'I didn't believe it until I heard it on CNN. Our mission first is to be accurate. This whole thing about being first is overrated." Traditional journalism practices, Samuel said, won out when it came to the media's coverage of Jackson's death. "In some ways, despite all the tweeting and Facebooking," he said, "what you had here was a very old-time media scoop where somebody had better sources." Several of the panelists said they first heard of Jackson's death on Facebook and Twitter.Samuel argued that Twitter, albeit interesting, is not journalism. "The truth is that Facebook updates and tweets are not journalism. They're information," he said. "People have an extremely high demand for information."Toure disagreed with Samuel about Twitter, saying reporters and news consumers shouldn't give more or less credence to a story simply because of the way it's delivered. "The mode of delivery doesn't make it not journalism or journalism," he said. "... A tweet can be journalism."But online sources aren't the only competition. "Everything is our competition," Gibbs said. "Online news organizations -- they are designed to give you as-of-this-moment information. We feel where we compete with them is in the analysis." Gibbs noted that Ebony's September issue of the magazine was near completion when news of Jackson's death broke. Editors had to scramble, she said, to commission a commemorative issue. The role of celebrity gossip Web site, TMZ, came under scrutiny as attendees asked whether the site now has greater credibility since breaking the Jackson story. "TMZ was ahead of the story and they were right," Toure said. "And if it doesn't validate them, what will?"Thanks darkchild for this very interesting article. I especially loved the sentence with CNN cause I mentionned it in my post as being a trustworthy channel for many people. What I understand is that big channels prefer to be sure of such information (death of celebrity here) before broadcasting. Their credibility is in game. So it clearly means that when TMZ leaked the info there was no official source available. That's why they were first. Now I'm wonderin what source it was.... Thank you again. I'm proud to be with you in this great adventure. God bless you.You are most welcome, Sarahli! I am glad that you found the article useful. I am so proud to be here with you as well of this great adventure to find to the Truth of what happened to our beloved MJ. God bless you again for your kindness, Sarahli!
I think TMZ may be part of the hoax but still they are media so I'm skeptical.
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