3 Versions of CORONER VAN==????

[Jacksonology]

this theory deserves a topic...

[Raven]

I believe he indeed went into cardiac arrest and was hospitalised.

then you might as well believed he died..

Not necessarily...

Ok, so he suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized then what happended?

If he survived there's a possibility he received protection. But never mind, it's off topic from this thread  :). Anyway he wouldn't be fit enough to jump out of a van to my opinion.

i'm interested, really. can you PM me about this?

Ofcourse you can PM if you like ... but it is a lot to write about, if you like to read more about it, most of this was discussed in the "mafia" thread. It is possible he survived a murder plot by people he feared, which is a very good argument to get protection.

[Kirsche]

The person sounds genuinly shocked about what he sees. However it is hard to believe it would  be real after RTL stated they faked it.

So are you saying you think the van vid is fake simply because RTL said it was?

RTL was HIRED by someone to make a "making of" vid to lead people to BELIEVE it was fake, when in actuality it IS real. They were used as damage control. The RTL version is the fake one.

Yes, it totally loses credibility by their statement.

Also, how could a German station be bought off to say it's fake without rising any suspicion? I also think Michael would not be fit enough to jump out of a van like that after what he went through physically

I think RTL is corrupt enought to be bought off.....Since June 25th the sending a lot about Michael ....and they still do...more than other TV stations in germany...a lot more

[Jacksonology]

I believe he indeed went into cardiac arrest and was hospitalised.

then you might as well believed he died..

Not necessarily...

Ok, so he suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized then what happended?

If he survived there's a possibility he received protection. But never mind, it's off topic from this thread  :). Anyway he wouldn't be fit enough to jump out of a van to my opinion.

i'm interested, really. can you PM me about this?

Ofcourse you can PM if you like ... but it is a lot to write about, if you like to read more about it, most of this was discussed in the "mafia" thread. It is possible he survived a murder plot by people he feared, which is a very good argument to get protection.

can you link me to the thread?

[Raven]

I believe he indeed went into cardiac arrest and was hospitalised.

then you might as well believed he died..

Not necessarily...

Ok, so he suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized then what happended?

If he survived there's a possibility he received protection. But never mind, it's off topic from this thread  :). Anyway he wouldn't be fit enough to jump out of a van to my opinion.

i'm interested, really. can you PM me about this?

Ofcourse you can PM if you like ... but it is a lot to write about, if you like to read more about it, most of this was discussed in the "mafia" thread. It is possible he survived a murder plot by people he feared, which is a very good argument to get protection.

can you link me to the thread?

Here you go:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4287

[Jacksonology]

I believe he indeed went into cardiac arrest and was hospitalised.

then you might as well believed he died..

Not necessarily...

Ok, so he suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized then what happended?

If he survived there's a possibility he received protection. But never mind, it's off topic from this thread  :). Anyway he wouldn't be fit enough to jump out of a van to my opinion.

i'm interested, really. can you PM me about this?

Ofcourse you can PM if you like ... but it is a lot to write about, if you like to read more about it, most of this was discussed in the "mafia" thread. It is possible he survived a murder plot by people he feared, which is a very good argument to get protection.

can you link me to the thread?

Here you go:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4287

i already read page one. i don't need to go further, everything about the mafia theory is stated there. The people Michael had around him (Frank diLeo, Tohme Tohme, Al Malknik etc) have connections to the Mob. Michael was 'deathly scared' of Tohme Tohme. Tohme Tohme took control of Michael's finances, his friends, and staff. them Michael fired him. security increased for Michael drastically and abundantly. then when Michael ''dies'' Tohme Tohme is at the UCLA press conference, and said nothing just sat there. so Tohme Tohme and other's could of attempted to kill Michael but didn't exceed.

[MJonmind]

by Aintnosunshine » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:56 am

IMO the RTL video served a double purpose:

1. it brought the idea of a "hoax" / "fake" to a broader public since main stream media news picked it up
(the children knew already because they saw "the ghost of Neverland" on CNN)

2. at the same time it distracted many people from hoax/fake again because for weeks or longer it covered the front entries of google and other search engines.

First result: if people thought of MJ death hoax they just got the RTL fake video (a hoax within a hoax).

Second result: only true real believers found their way through to the forums, the youtube`s and other accounts (for the rest of "random public" our activities were kind of hidden).

Third result: this way a close and rather reliable community of hoax believers could have been established without interference from haters or ridiculing non-believer-fans.

Doesn`t that make sense?

I totally agree with you Aintnosunshine, that the initial van video is really MJ, and that the second was planned to look like damage control, but both were part of the plan. It was the initial van and neverland ghost video that made me think hoax and start getting involved with MJHD site way back. You said it so clearly. Also did anybody see the extended version of the second van video where after Michael jumps out, then out jumps Abraham Lincoln, Lennon, Mohammed and Jesus? I laughed so hard! But I can't find it now. :?

[Harry]

Weird.

[Nakiska]

But the thing is...the vans dont match! The van of the coroner and the video of ''michael'' getting out of the van are different. They have different stickers and different paintings. You just have to compare both of them. The letter font used on the coronrer's van doesnt match the one from the person getting out of the van. The letter ''R'' is different.
So how is it possible, if that video was real, that the two vans doesnt match? They should be the same. This is the only thing that keeps me from believing that that video was real. I would LOVE if someone could prove me wrong, though. :mrgreen:

[MYLOVELYONE]

I'm sorry but I think that video was real.  I think when it got leaked they gave a lame excuse talking about it was an experiment to see how fast news and gossip can travel over the internet.  Well duh we already know that it don't take a rocket scientist to know this.  Making a fake video right after MJ died would be in poor taste as well so I don't buy that excuse.  Please.....

I agree it was of very poor taste if they did make a fake vidio of the coroner's van.I dont believe that, I think it was damage control wich could explain why the guy in vid is out of breath, he was chasing the van and was out of breath. The guy then sold his story to the highest bidder wich, correct me if I'm wrong, happened to be some media in Europe or not in USA anyway. Wich brings me to the other thing that has been bothering me. Isnt it a coincidence that media, from another country, just happened to have a van extremely similar to the one used in the USA. Are they all the same? I dont think so. So why on top of waisting their time making a fake vid would they purchase or retailor a van to make sure to convince us, and for the fake story to travel the net so quickly and then just as fast they hurry up and tell us it's fake!!!?

IMO, it was actual footage and not fake. 8-)

yes I'm agree they made that video of the making of the real video and anything fits. I mean his video explaining the  real one doesn't fit on what we can see on the real video

[anne.mj]

Also, I think if Im not mistaken, someone mentioned at the time that RTL vid came out that it was raining in the video? I dont know what they meant by that.

I watched "the making video", it was raining during tranporting michael on the road but on the 25th June the weather was fine in LA.. the weather didnt match

[Zen]

I notice a lot of chrome on wheels of real van and then the second one it is raining
and when they show up close, they hide the wheels, and when it drives, there
doesn't appear to be the same wheels.  Of course, that could be it is darker
outside the day they showed us how they "make" the first one.   ;)

I do not understand why some people say Michael Jackson left and went out
through Arnie Kleins office.  I don't know where Klein's office is, but that seem
false.

[Jennie]

Yippie !!!

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Love your happy banana dude, really made me laugh. :lol:

[Jennie]

But the thing is...the vans dont match! The van of the coroner and the video of ''michael'' getting out of the van are different. They have different stickers and different paintings. You just have to compare both of them. The letter font used on the coronrer's van doesnt match the one from the person getting out of the van. The letter ''R'' is different.
So how is it possible, if that video was real, that the two vans doesnt match? They should be the same. This is the only thing that keeps me from believing that that video was real. I would LOVE if someone could prove me wrong, though. :mrgreen:

Anything is possible, perhaps there was a second coroner's van hiding and that is the one Michael took. Maybe the person chasing that van we see in the "fake" vid noticed something odd and decided to go see for himself/herself OR the person happened to spot a coroner van and chased it assuming they would capture MJ's dead body coming out of the coroner's van but to their surprise(or not) what they found was an alive MJ walking out of the van.  Who knows really but I am sure the discrepencies between the stickers on the van could easily be explained. IMO

[raphaelleanique]

But the thing is...the vans dont match! The van of the coroner and the video of ''michael'' getting out of the van are different. They have different stickers and different paintings. You just have to compare both of them. The letter font used on the coronrer's van doesnt match the one from the person getting out of the van. The letter ''R'' is different.
So how is it possible, if that video was real, that the two vans doesnt match? They should be the same. This is the only thing that keeps me from believing that that video was real. I would LOVE if someone could prove me wrong, though. :mrgreen:

Anything is possible, perhaps there was a second coroner's van hiding and that is the one Michael took. Maybe the person chasing that van we see in the "fake" vid noticed something odd and decided to go see for himself/herself OR the person happened to spot a coroner van and chased it assuming they would capture MJ's dead body coming out of the coroner's van but to their surprise(or not) what they found was an alive MJ walking out of the van.  Who knows really but I am sure the discrepencies between the stickers on the van could easily be explained. IMO

@nakiska; that is the only thing that keeps me hesitating. Jenny, I hope you are right, but real evidence is missing. The sirens are definately no german sirens; such ones really absolutely do not exist in Germany .