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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
can we just step back for a second and look at the title? i definitely think there are details within the article, but maybe it's a case of "it's right in front of your eyes."

simply, "Michael was alive at UCLA." the end.
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 02:42:40 PM
I believe this story over the others cause if you remember the pic when they go with the stretcher in the hospital, you can see Murray walking next to it and he's clearly looking at the person on the stretcher. So why would he be looking at a dead person?  :roll:
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 03:06:01 PM
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Did you Know that there is a place in UCLA Medical Center Known for bringing the dead back to life???? :D

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Weird  :lol:  :lol:

When Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest, rescuers took him to a place known for bringing the dead back to life. A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours.

......

Could Jackson, too, have been saved?

It's impossible to know. Doctors at the hospital worked on him for an hour. The UCLA expert, cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Gerald Buckberg, said he was not personally involved in Jackson's treatment, and that too little is known about what preceded it.


Nobody knows who are the doctors who treated Michael not even those who work there...
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 03:28:46 PM
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can we just step back for a second and look at the title? i definitely think there are details within the article, but maybe it's a case of "it's right in front of your eyes."

simply, "Michael was alive at UCLA." the end.


Yeah of course!!!! Oh my, great!!!!

Yes, Michael was alive at UCLA.....and escaped later, when the fire alarm was pulled.

So this speaks again for the Coroner-Van video, right ? ;)
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 04:31:41 PM
This is getting BETTER everyday!!!! OMG! I can feel the BAM coming!!! :D
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 04:34:40 PM
:D  As someone said before..MJ is slowly regaining his pulse and its getting stronger..
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 04:37:37 PM
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:D  As someone said before..MJ is slowly regaining his pulse and its getting stronger..


thats fantastic
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
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One thing I’d said early on was that MJ might be in a coma. I’m putting the following forth as my final official theory in the “If MJ is alive” thing. Though at this point I think he’s likely dead, if he’s alive this is the only theory that maintains any level of “sense” to me that makes everything make some degree of sense and ties up all lose ends without requiring too big of a conspiracy for stupid reasons.

So here is the scenario as I see it…

Dr. Murray administers drugs to MJ and he’s unresponsive. Paramedics are called, he’s rushed to the hospital. Somehow he’s stabilized but is in a coma. The family makes a fast executive decision. The coma could last a very long time. He may wake up, he may not.

Remember all the news outlets were originally reporting MJ in a coma, and this was before it turned into a big circus. Reporting random shit that doesn’t make sense is unlikely to happen that early in the forming of a story. They all said he was in a coma, then the story was changed completely. It wasn’t “He was in a coma for a little while but then he died.” They took the coma part out of the story altogether. And that was their mistake. Now not saying News media knew, they probably don’t. One of their sources just said there was a mix-up, they accepted it at face value. After all… MJ dead is MUCH bigger news than MJ in a coma for god knows how long.

MJ being the most famous man on the planet, the few who know he’s in a coma, know that it could become a big problem for everyone involved and the family reasons that Michael needs some peace. Imagine all the fans crowded around the medical center for days, weeks, months on end, making it harder for people at UCLA to get their jobs done and for those who come to the medical center to get good treatment in a timely manner.

The medical center agrees to allow the family to put forth this death story and take MJ out as if he’s dead. Murray knows as well but he can’t talk, because the truth is… he’s guilty as sin. Whether MJ dies or not, he’s sunk. If he says MJ is alive and in a coma… well who put him there? Dr. Murray. His best option is to keep his damn mouth shut. He refuses to sign the death certificate because he’s already in enough trouble.

In fact no one wants to sign the death certificate. Someone finally comes up with the idea for someone to sign a fake death certificate and they do. They also tinker with a few of the details to further the fakery and hopefully keep their asses out of a legal vice if/when Michael wakes up. The medical center also refuses to make the announcement that MJ has died. Jermaine, forever loving the spotlight, takes the stage to make the announcement. Jermaine’s convoluted story in direct contradiction to the earlier new-media coma story, is swallowed whole by the media and everyone else. After all, WHY would Jermaine lie about something like that?

MJ is moved to a safe location. The kids are told of the situation and the kids are “doing well” because they maintain hope that their dad is going to be okay. Janet acts a little weird about the whole thing because she doesn’t really know what to do about it. Would Michael want this? He’d talked before about wanting to escape everything, if he wakes up this gives him a new chance at life and privacy since the world thinks he’s dead. Will he be pissed? How much can she involve herself in any of it and remain loyal to Michael? Katharine is in a similar pickle.

There has been much talk about MJ being covered by a white sheet and not in the proper coroner’s bag. If he’s not actually dead, they can’t exactly get use of that. Though they later are able to get the coroner to at least partially be involved in it. They can just “seal” the coroner’s report and not let any actual official reports come from him.

What about the paparazzi videos and photographs? That’s just opportunism. They all try to get video and photos but it’s not happening. During the videoing portion, one of the guys is standing back. He knows the other guy isn’t going to actually get a shot in those lighting conditions, not a clear shot. But he’s been following MJ since the 90’s and has some old photos from when MJ collapsed in NY that he can use and touch up. They go into photoshop, make a little magic and sell the photo to the highest bidder. MJ would want him to go to medical school after all. Of course he doesn’t know MJ is alive, has no clue, he just knows that his shot at getting the only death photo of MJ didn’t happen, but no one else has it either. What they do have is proof that the shot was taken. Sort of. No one knows what came out on the film, so he opportunistically creates something to sell. Medical school here he comes.

Joe of course is the big ass he always is. But it makes more sense with his son not actually dead. If MJ had hoaxed his death there is no way he’d tell Joe about it. But if MJ is in a coma, then Joe, like the rest of the family knows about it. Believing MJ will pull through is the glue that makes everyone in this family behave in bizarre ways that are incongruent with a loved family member dying.

Janet and LaToya rush to the mansion to move stuff. Why? They have to contaminate the scene and slow down the investigation. If Murray ends up going to prison for some variation on murder and MJ turns out to be alive, then everybody is in a LOT of trouble. Alternately, police officers could be aware of the situation and that may be why the “case” has moved at a snail’s pace. They know they’ve got him for something, but until MJ decides whether he’s in or out of this world, no actual charges can officially be moved on. Though occasionally they leak something to the press for those going: “Hey, why is Murray still practicing medicine? Why hasn’t he been arrested?”

Perhaps MJ had some type of legal set up so power of attorney was moved to someone else if he were ever incapacitated like in a coma. He’s a very powerful man, he has to know if something like that happens where he’s straddling the fence between life and death, that someone has to make decisions. Enter all these people MJ trusted: Frank Dileo, John Branca, etc.

We’ve wondered why has the family acted so fucking weird. It’s like they’re covering something up. But given MJ’s strained relationships with some of them, all of them would not have been notified of a hoax or faked death. They also would not purposefully cover up MJ being murdered. A coma is the only situation that makes sense.

The court stuff gets dragged out and is a huge mess because while someone else has legal power to act in MJ’s behalf, this is getting messier and messier and some of this they didn’t think fully through because they had to make a snap decision back at the hospital. There was no massive plan. The family DID get together with MJ a few months prior, but it wasn’t to hoax his death. Who knows what it was about but this probably wasn’t exactly what MJ had in mind when he said whatever he said.

Now everybody is running to catch up. Katharine is awarded temporary custody because if MJ wakes up… well obviously he gets custody of his own kids back. None of this shit is HIS fault. I mean fuck, dude’s in a coma, what can he do about it all?

Kenny Ortega and a few others either are told or figure out what is going on. KO swears to keep it quiet because hell if MJ comes back, the MJ back from the dead tour will be awesome. He’s very optimistic about MJ’s possible recovery as are the TII dancers and everyone begins working on something that MJ will be proud of. Many of them can barely contain their giddyness on Twitter.

Funeral arrangements are put off forever because it’s just “too much” to go that far with it. The family has decided the memorial is okay. MJ may not wake up and this may be his fans’ only chance to really mourn so they are doing something good for the world. KO knew from that far back and his slip up about “we were here just last week” is in reference to him and the TII dancers already beginning rehearsals on something Michael would be proud of. When things look uncertain, throw yourself into your work. Which is exactly what they do.

Some of the slip-ups seem almost intentional because if MJ is alive and decides to come back, then there has to be at least some expectation in some people that that is the case. Arnie Klein doesn’t know a goddamn thing, but he makes a slip anyway because he thinks something fishy is going on and maybe it’s a hoax, so what the hell? May as well throw his own weird shit out there about MJ being the greatest actor. Let people chew on that one for awhile. And while he’s at it he can say he’s the baby daddy. Hell, let’s everybody say we’re the daddy of MJ’s kids. Normal opportunism ensues mixing up the stories of those in the know, and those not in the know who are taking advantage of situations that personally benefit them.

The whole thing gets completely out of control and everybody is playing their own tune now doing their own bizarre things because MJ isn’t really dead so they can somehow justify “capitalizing” off his death and all the other weird things they do. Some people are just throwing weirdness out there for their ten seconds of fame. Some people interviewed are telling the actual story of what THEY know (because they aren’t in the loop) and making the situation even more confusing, especially for those paying attention like hoax followers.

So burial time happens, they’ve put it off and put it off, if MJ wakes up he will be so beyond freaked out about it, but people are starting to ask questions and they have to do something. So they do the burial. Originally they plan to do it on MJ’s birthday but that gets quickly veto’d as it’s just too damn morbid and MJ will have a fit if/when he wakes up. The man who never wants to die, you do not orchestrate a fake burial on his birthday. That’s just insane.

Of course Mac and Liz were notified very early on about what was going on, so they’ve remained fairly silent on all of this. They’re pretty pissed about what’s going on because Michael wouldn’t like it. A few of MJ’s other close friends also know and are keeping a very big distance from all this because if MJ wakes up the shit will fly all over everywhere. (Seriously if you’ve ever seen one of the very rare videos of MJ in pissed-off mode, dude hide. Eeek. This man is not to be trifled with. He’s like Chuck Norris lol.)

KO expresses his dismay that MJ STILL isn’t with us. Oprah, rather confused and thinking KO may be a few bricks short and has had some sort of psychotic break, corrects him saying he’s NOT with us. KO after all expected MJ to make a full recovery already. In fact, maybe he wonders if MJ is awake but he hasn’t been notified.

Randy Phillips has said something about how what happened that day at the hospital isn’t something MJ either thought or planned. If what they say went down actually went down, that makes no sense. Of COURSE MJ didn’t plan that shit. But, if MJ was in a coma, but some believe MJ is alive and therefore faked his death, then perhaps this is Randy’s way of saying: “Look guys, all this crap and fallout, it’s not Michael’s fault.”

Many of the family members use all the fall out surrounding Michael’s “death” to boost their own careers. Jermaine goes to work planning tribute concerts, telling everybody that “if MJ was really dead, this is what we’d be doing.” However the tribute is continually postponed because deep down Jermaine knows if/when MJ wakes up if Jermaine has been fucking with his fans, a Jackson might actually die in all this but it won’t be Michael. They agree to continue the Jackson reality show, because hey, publicity, and while MJ may be a bit tired of it, some others aren’t.

Now I “think” I’ve covered every angle.If I haven’t let me know what I’m not factoring in and I’ll add it in. At this point if this scenario is more or less true, there are three possibilities:

1. MJ is still in a coma.

2. MJ died. (If Murray actually goes to trial we can assume this has probably happened.)

3. MJ is awake and pissed as hell but also unsure if he can come back out now given all the legal trouble many of his family members will be in, as well as how so much of this will fall on his head as the media chooses to twist it all and act like he faked his death for attention or some other similar bullshit.
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
DancingTheDream is what is written in the report of the paramedics, well if they say it is sensational, so anything that is being presented is false.
There's a video of this, I will get it. 8-)
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:06:39 PM
Quote from: "paula-c"
DancingTheDream is what is written in the report of the paramedics, well if they say it is sensational, so anything that is being presented is false.
There's a video of this, I will get it. 8-)


Yes it is all getting really confusing as this contradicts the report of the paramedics that Joe Jackson has filed in his civil case.

Its of two opposites:  MJ was dead for a long time at the house...   or MJ was alive at the hospital and had a pulse throughout...    it all makes my head hurt.
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:24:10 PM
NO COMA NO MURDER! Sorry but how do you guys think that "someone" arranged the dates like 77 days after death and 7 days after the funeral we go to 9.9.9?  3.9.9 was the funeral and 7.7.9 was the memorial. Look at the dates! You believe that all these dates are just coincidences? Sorry but there're NO coincidences in this case! You'd better read TS' posts, especially 4b to understand the date code! NOONE ELSE BUT MICHAEL could think of those things. And who forced Michael to add Gilda and all the other resurrection scenes to TII then? C'mon guys. This's a hoax, Michael is alive and he is COMING BACK piece by piece! :D
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:47:10 PM
DancingTheDream, this is the video link, besides Michael's name is misspelled. ;)
                               

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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:49:51 PM
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Time changed from

30th 2010 2:00AM

to

Mar 30th 2010 9:00AM

9 = 3 x 3 -> 333

03/30/2010 makes 333 also...

Yes, I recognized this too this morning... They have changed many times their time also to 777....This proves again that TMZ looks at us...
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:55:56 PM
Sorry Mo, didn't see this post.  About Murray's revelations, seems they are trying to get the feel of how people would react if Michael were miraculously still alive.  We're being fed bit by bit little blurbs of Michael not being as dead as initially reported.  First he came back for 10 minutes.  Now Murray states MJ did have some life signs while he was "resuscitating" him AND in the ambulance.  Next we'll probably hear, well actually he was revived one last time but it was hours after it was announced he was dead.  However, his family did not want people to over react in case he didn't make it.  :?    What's next?
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Re: Conrad Murray - Michael Was Alive at UCLA
March 30, 2010, 05:58:24 PM
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DancingTheDream, this is the video link, besides Michael's name is misspelled. ;)
                               

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Thanks.   :D
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