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[DancingTheDream]

The ephedrine found at the residence was in something called an "ECA stack". It contains Ephedrine, Caffeine, and Aspirin. The ECA stack causes rapid weight loss without exercise and increases energy levels. It is not FDA approved nor is it safe--ephedrine is linked to heart attack and stroke even in young healthy patients.

Why Michael was taking this is unclear but it is important to keep in mind the bottles were unlabeled, as were the capsules. He could have been told to take it having know clue as to what it was.

This was on the list that appeared from the unsealed search documents.

The press have made a big deal of the whitening creams...  but not this???

This was also found in the autopsy report.. it was in his system.

WHY?????????

WHy would Michael be taking weight loss drugs??

[infinatetrinity]

It may not have even been for the weight loss but more for the increased energy you get from them.After all he was practicing for the 50 tour and the older you get the less energy you have...

[GirlSaturday]

For years it has been suspected that MJ had an eating disorder i.e. anorexia or bulimia.

[2good2btrue]

Ephedrine, Caffeine, and Aspirin.  Any drugs that contain Ephedrine and caffeine, generally will give you unlimited energy, but the side effects would include insomia.  It's a form of eg. speed.

[DancingTheDream]

If he wanted energy, there are other things he could take.  This "stack" is well known to aid weight loss primarily and not for energy boosts...  oh, and its banned for its association with heart attacks!!!

[i[MISS]my[KING]]

HOW DO WE KNOW HE TOOK IT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS IN HIS HOUSE???????? MAYBE MURRAY WAS TAKING IT.

[mikestanek1]

If he was taking everything that was on the list for this long he would have been dead a long time ago or at least in a real hospital for major problems.  If he really was taking them and really died June 25th then wow.  I don't know how a 50 year old could have handled all of that.  It just doesn't seem reasonable to me.  A big concern for me now is the tmz article that Murray says he didn't do anything wrong. Is that because he didn't do anything at all?  As in he and Michael set up the place to make it look horrible and then relaxed until 12.21 June 25th for the ambulance call.  Hopefully.  It seems plausible.

[i[MISS]my[KING]]

there really wasnt that many drugs on the list. they repeated numerous things for SHOCK VALUE of a large list. that in itself plus the added bags found make me believe this is a joke. a hoax. its gotta be fake.

[DancingTheDream]

my[KING]"]HOW DO WE KNOW HE TOOK IT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS IN HIS HOUSE???????? MAYBE MURRAY WAS TAKING IT.

It was listed in the autopsy too

[i[MISS]my[KING]]

my[KING]"]HOW DO WE KNOW HE TOOK IT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS IN HIS HOUSE???????? MAYBE MURRAY WAS TAKING IT.

It was listed in the autopsy too

then he must have took em for energy imo

[virgo75]

i[MISS]my[KING] - your siggie is distracting the heck out of me!   :lol:

But on topic - I'm looking at Lou Ferrigno.

A lot of body builders use these, as stated above - to boost energy levels for workouts.  Especially whey they're "cutting" - or losing the fat that they have to accumulate in order to put on muscle.

I don't doubt that Mike probably used the ECA for energy, but he really should have just had some coffee.  The last thing he needed was to lose his appetite - and more weight.   :?

[DancingTheDream]

This is what i am saying..  why in the Lords name would Michael take a drug which its primary usage is for WEIGHT LOSS..  its not widely used for ENERGY.

This is a man who himself said he needed to eat more, and he wasnt a good eater.
So if MJ was aware of this, why would he take drugs that were appetite suppressants and weight losers.

It doesnt make sense he would take them for energy... there are loads of other supplements out there that can give you energy without the weight loss.

Also..  why were these in his blood stream if he was trying to SLEEP??  Why take uppers and downers at the same time???

MJ was suffering from severe insomnia.. so why take a drug that CAUSES insomnia????

See how it doesnt make sense?

Michael wasnt a stupid man...   so why do this??   The drugs were in an UN-MARKED bottle..  could it be that someone (the doctor) was giving him drugs that MJ didnt actually realise he was taking and didnt realise the effects they had????   :?

Was someone trying to make MIchael as ill and down as they could?  Break his body down to the point of no return?  Mess his sleeping and metalobolism up so much that his body gave up???

[Heatherette]

If true...It was probably to make himself appear to be ill for the hoax. I don't know.

[michaelsupporter]

The drugs may never have been ingested by MJ, but rather carefully planted to look realistic-to make the hoax appear genuine.

[the arabian nights]

pp dont have to be stupid to do in hindsight stupid things

what it seems - in the mist of the hoax,  is that there was a huge cocktail of  ill matched drugs, we dont know if murray knew about the mix or could compute it

mike i am sure wanted to look good, wanted to be seen to he on top of his game like madonna at 50 like her

he did not eat but took strong drugs, no one around to give him the advice he needed

but in TII he did not look like he was on speed, but i suppose there are degrees.

i feel so sorry for him - slow death - a dying man and no one to help or was at that stage beyond or refusing help.
:(
i want him to be alive