Medics triggered MJ's heartbeat at UCLA

[mumof3]

What Michael had to say about the tabloids:

Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
The hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
The blackmail story in all your glory

It's Slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it
And you don't have to eat it
To buy it is to feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual

In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
The headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander

With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
If you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it

Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual

Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it
Then they won't glorify it
To read it sanctifies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves

Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable

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Please, c'mon ! Don't post any links from tabloid magazines anymore on this forum... You don't understand Michael's message ?
Stop beeing sheeps,
There are ways to get there
If you care enough for the living
Make a little space
Make a better place...

I think you have to put the peices from the tabloids here so it can be read thought about and picked over we might get a tiny scrap of information from them that is important and the other 98% ignore

[LaLove09]

I'm watching the repeat of Larry King right now.
And at the bottom in the ticker
CNN is reporting about the brief heartbeat.
I'm a CNN and hadn't watched all day, till now.
So IDK if they reported it earlier or if
 it's another Larry King connection or what.
I'm checking his blog now to see if that's where it's posted or not.

[LaLove09]

Attorney: Michael Jackson had heartbeat at hospital
By Alan Duke, CNN
March 24, 2010 7:49 a.m. EDT

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Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Medical records showed that Michael Jackson's heart beat briefly at a hospital emergency room, but he was "long gone" by then, a lawyer for Jackson's father said.

Joe Jackson's lawyer mailed a notice over the weekend to Dr. Conrad Murray saying the elder Jackson would file a wrongful death lawsuit against him in 90 days, attorney Brian Oxman said.

"The bottom line is, had [paramedics] gotten there earlier and had they been called right away, chances are he could have been revived," Oxman said.

Jackson's father's lawsuit will accuse Murray, the pop star's personal physician, of causing his death by delaying the call for an ambulance, Oxman said.

Oxman said records showed that Jackson was "long gone, 20 to 40 minutes before the paramedics got there."

Jackson, 50, was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center two hours after he arrived there by ambulance from his Holmby Hills, California, home.

The Los Angeles coroner concluded that Jackson's death on June 25, 2009, was from "acute propofol intoxication." The autopsy revealed that Jackson's blood had a level of propofol, a powerful anesthesia, equal to that used in major surgery.

Murray has been charged with involuntary manslaughter by acting "without malice" but also "without due caution and circumspection." He was freed on $75,000 bail.



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California law requires medical wrongful death lawsuits to be filed within a year of the death, Oxman said. Since a doctor must be given 90 days notice, Saturday's mailing was timed to meet the deadline, he said.

A prosecution report leaked to the media last week included a statement from a witness who said Murray stopped resuscitation efforts on Jackson so he could collect propofol bottles.

Oxman's notice to Murray called that delay "an outrageous departure from the standard of care."

Oxman said the lawsuit will really put "this whole blasted thing together from top to bottom, from top to bottom. It identifies what happened by time, by date and by place."

"There was cardiac activity, electrical impulses, and he did have a cardiac rhythm which they got going through their resuscitation," Oxman said of Jackson. "But he could not sustain it on his own."

A spokeswoman for Murray's criminal defense lawyer said he has not received the notice from Oxman.

"It's like a bucket of water thrown on a man drowning in the ocean," said Miranda Sevcik, a spokeswoman for defense lawyer Ed Chernoff.

The California state medical board will ask a judge to prevent Murray from practicing medicine in California while he is being prosecuted in Jackson's death, according to documents filed last week by California Attorney General Jerry Brown.

Brown said in his filing that Murray, who was the pop star's personal physician, "administered a lethal dose of propofol, as well as other drugs, to Michael Jackson."

"We will argue in court that Murray was reckless in giving Jackson such a dangerous drug and has demonstrated a serious lack of judgment that should prohibit him from practicing medicine," Brown said.

Los Angeles County Judge Keith Schwartz refused a prosecution request to suspend Murray's California medical license as a term of his bail last month, but he did order him not to use any anesthesia on patients.

"I don't want you sedating people," Schwartz told Murray.

Chernoff said nothing has changed since then. Murray has no office or patients in California, he said. Murray resumed his medical practice in Texas and Nevada last fall.

The next hearing date for the criminal case is April 5.

[DancingTheDream]

Now they are saying that MJ had a hearbeat at the house, in the ambulance and at the hospital.   :roll:

[Grace]

And he still has a heartbeat... and the beat goes on...

[DancingTheDream]

And he still has a heartbeat... and the beat goes on...

Kinda reminds me of the heart-beat sound at the start of "Smooth Criminal"

Michael..  he is smooth, but no criminal!  :lol:

[Grace]

He "died" of cardiac arrest under the hands of a cardiologist who later was practizing his holistic approach as a family doctor and was taken to UCLA where they are "able to bring back dead to life" (suffering from cardiac arrest since 72 minutes and still alive) - so the patient had best circumstances to survive. However he "did" not. He took off to the airport (I guess to get some fresh air to breath again   ).

UCLA = gives me a smile, that was fashion when I was 18 to have a darkblue sweatshirt with a white UCLA logo on it (and nobody knew what this was about...LOL), seriously: UCLA has 11 nobel prize laureates, is the second oldest university in California, the second best public university and is #13 university worldwide.
UCLA Ronald Reagan Medical Center is located on the campus and is top 3 US hospital.
So not really the worst choice.  

cardiac arrest = heartfelt imprisonment / detention
cardiologist = doctor for heart functions / love / life
holistic = overall - concerning everything and the whole from each angle and aspect of view
family doctor = doctor for everyone

Remember the child support case with 4 (open) windows?
I am expecting some surprises for Monday.
Guess the color of the trash cans once again will be grey?
 :lol:

[Raven]

If there was already livor mortis as the rumours about the paramedics version suggest, there is also a large chance rigor mortis was setting in, which would make it hard to intubate. Michael was intubated. So that tabloid version is less likely. The story about the paramedics was never confirmed by a reliable source. This report of him having a pulse at UCLA is much more reliable since it originates directly from the medical records.
What is available from the paramedics is the account of the LAFD chief on video. Basically he was also saying they worked on him until they stabilised him then took the short ride to UCLA:

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[Amber]

Jolly good. Slowly but surely... first he was dead now the info is getting out that he "came back" if only briefly, the next news will be MJ is back for good....     on a logical note the coma theory springs to mind  :?

[MJmakesmespeechless]

I'm watching the repeat of Larry King right now.
And at the bottom in the ticker
CNN is reporting about the brief heartbeat.
I'm a CNN and hadn't watched all day, till now.
So IDK if they reported it earlier or if
 it's another Larry King connection or what.
I'm checking his blog now to see if that's where it's posted or not.

I saw that yesterday too. Note how they worded it...
Lawyer: Michael Jackson's heart beat briefly at hospital

Why of course...then he got the hell out of dodge!!! LOL

[DancingTheDream]

Jolly good. Slowly but surely... first he was dead now the info is getting out that he "came back" if only briefly, the next news will be MJ is back for good....     on a logical note the coma theory springs to mind  :?

The coma theory is seemingly very plausable now....

[kingofmystery]

Triggering a heartbeat is what occurs when one does CPR; that is what happens when you "push" on the sternum.  You are artificially giving them a pulse (i.e.,circulating the blood).  Sustaining it however, is the critical part and the most stressful task for a medical professional.

[mjkate]

Then why did the ambulance not RUSH to the hospital with SIRENS BLARING! If mj had even a hint of a pulse wouldn't that have happened. Unless....he was stable and there was no need to rush. I posted this before but here it is again....The LAFD chief saying that....it was important to stay in the field (mj's house) for as long as it took (42 minutes) to STABILIZE him. This is right from the mouth of the LAFD. Check out the link starting around 5:28.

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[LadyMedic]

Then why did the ambulance not RUSH to the hospital with SIRENS BLARING! If mj had even a hint of a pulse wouldn't that have happened. Unless....he was stable and there was no need to rush. I posted this before but here it is again....The LAFD chief saying that....it was important to stay in the field (mj's house) for as long as it took (42 minutes) to STABILIZE him. This is right from the mouth of the LAFD. Check out the link starting around 5:28.

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I've discussed this before in regards to the siren thing. There were a lot of bystanders around and no vehicles driving in the ambulances way. It is a courtesy to not deafen all of the bystanders. There was no need to have the siren blaring at that point in time. I know I wouldn't have done it, and I don't do it on my day to day calls. That's the equivalent to putting on the siren while in someone else's driveway. There's just no need. It doesn't help get him there any faster.

And about the stabilizing thing, I've also briefly discussed this here and there. It is important for paramedics and EMTs to do what they can on scene. If a pulse is not regained and maintained on scene, the chances of overall survival greatly lessen. You have a very small window from the time the patient codes to the time of defibrillation, and every minute the patient is not defibrillated, the chances of survival drop substantially. That's why we don't just grab the patients, toss them in the back of the ambulance and fly. It's also been brought up that the medics wanted to stop. It is in their protocol that after full attempts at resuscitation - CPR/defibrillation, medications, intubation - if the patient has had no rhythm changes, they are allowed to stop. There's also the joke that asystole is the most stable rhythm.

This is straight from the AHA website:
"Survival is directly linked to the amount of time between the onset of sudden cardiac arrest and defibrillation. If no bystander CPR is provided, a victim’s chances of survival are reduced by 7 to 10 percent with every minute of delay until defibrillation."
And there are many, many, many studies that correspond with this.

[mjkate]

What I was trying to point out was the fact that the Fire Chief guy said they stabilized him...