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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 09:29:07 AM
My point for posting this was to prove that it was technically impossible,
I don't need no proof, but a lot of people should wake up and open their eyes

It 's all about finding out the truth
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 09:41:50 AM
Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 02:53:54 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 03:16:53 PM
well yea we all know tha michael used doubles .... he used them to clear crazy fans away from hotels, he sent them in ambulances to hospitals to create a distraction and also for a bit of a joke, and he used a double in Dangerous tour, during thriller at the end, also in HIStory.  TII DVD showed that during Dirty Diana, the bed would be "engulfed with flames" and tha michael would be on the bed with the aerialist, but the double was going to appear at that point so michael could get ready, and with the bed in "flames" nobody would know the wiser.

but what i dont get is that, i 100% believe its all michael in TII and it would take some seriously hard evidence to convince me otherwise, but why would he need to have a double at the rehersal if the only purpose was for Dirty Diana, which we have been told was never rehearsed.  if he wanted to see what it would look like on stage, Travis would play michael.

Yes Orange pants, michael does look a bit off, but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos, so youd think michael being michael, knowing all the songs and steps, that he would get kinda peeved rehearsing stuff that he has been doing all his life :lol:

i acually forgot what i was going to say next so .... yeah  :lol:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 04:05:24 PM
he wanted to direct to needed doubles :)
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 04:22:48 PM
This doesn't prove doubles one bit.  And in my honest opinion doubles were only used for stunts and for MJ to see what the show would look like from the seats.  Everyone says red pants MJ was a double.  Really?  Would a double have known the the growl in The Way You Make Me Feel was off cued and get upset about it?  I couldn't see that.  And you know what, it's MJ's voice.  People could say all day long that it wasn't him, it wasn't him....well it was. Get over it.  Just because the whole spider thing and 4 seconds doesn't mean anything.  The movie was bit and pieces glued together to make a movie.  Sure they might have had straight through footage, but they had to make it look like they didn't.  So in Thriller it was Michael coming out of the spider for sure.  It wasn't like we saw him singing and dancing and then 4 seconds later he is coming out of a spider live.  It's bits and pieces.  Keep that in mind.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: "awesome1"
but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos

O2 had NOTHING to do with touring!  He would have had a house there, and do 2-3 gigs a week.  The most annoying and exhausting thing about touring is the traveling, and getting adjusted to different time zones time after time.  Since none of that would have happened during the O2 gigs, you should disregard that statement.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 04:27:35 PM
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.

If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.
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Michael, we\'ll never stop loving you.
We\'re all wishing you well, and wishing you home.

*Mo*

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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: "loma"
Quote from: "somekindofsign"
Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.

If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.

You're not getting the point.  During a live performance there's simply not enough time for Mike to do the song, get off stage, crawl under the spider, get wheeled on stage again and crawl out.  Watch that scene, it only takes 3-4 seconds.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 04:39:48 PM
Myeah.  :| I get it.
But I'm sure they used a sh**load of editing.

While the spider is crawling out, they lower him on the toaster, then when he's under the spider, they push him back up. That's what I thought I saw happen. But maybe you guys are right?
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Michael, we\'ll never stop loving you.
We\'re all wishing you well, and wishing you home.

Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 05:03:04 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "awesome1"
but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos

O2 had NOTHING to do with touring!  He would have had a house there, and do 2-3 gigs a week.  The most annoying and exhausting thing about touring is the traveling, and getting adjusted to different time zones time after time.  Since none of that would have happened during the O2 gigs, you should disregard that statement.

yea ok point taken.

but what still doesnt make any sense ( apart from the whole thing tbh) is that why would michael, being a perfectionist want to film This is it, using a double?? and try to pass this off as it being him on the stage??

im not bothered by the fact that he uses one so that he has enough time to change costume, its the fact that people think that he used a double for the majority of the rehersal, if it is, well god damn its a bloody perfect double  :lol:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 08:13:52 PM
Quote from: "keyboardwizz"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......

I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
Quote from: "keyboardwizz"
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......

I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
Honestly, I tend to believe that the ''small camera screen view'' with just Red 7 shirt and grey suit jacket is MJ and the ''FULL SCREEN'' view camera has the doubles in it.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 20, 2010, 08:33:03 PM
There is no doubt that he used them on stage for a little rest. But he never used them for his appearances! EVER!
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles
March 21, 2010, 05:17:53 AM
Quote from: "TracyK"
There is no doubt that he used them on stage for a little rest. But he never used them for his appearances! EVER!

Just open your, eyes it's all about ILLusion, All smoke and mirrors.
It's not about Michaelit's about US.
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