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March 18, 2010, 06:04:21 PM
Why don't we look at legitimate cases in previous years of people who have actually faked there death and take a look at how they did it, to perhaps draw some correlations to the MJ possibility? I've found some interesting names and people that have actually attempted to fake there deaths and were successful for quite some time. John Darwin (link provided below ) went into hiding for approximately 5 years before it was discovered that he had been hiding, so, that definitely makes it possible to at least hide for a year if you were smart about it.

below are some cases of people who faked there death.
Ken Kesey

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Kesey was arrested for possession of marijuana in 1965. In an attempt to mislead police, he faked suicide by having friends leave his truck on a cliffside road near Eureka, along with an elaborate suicide note, written by the Pranksters on drugs. Kesey fled to Mexico in the back of a friend's car. When he returned to the United States eight months later, Kesey was arrested and sent to the San Mateo County jail in Redwood City, California, for five months. On his release, he moved back to the family farm in Pleasant Hill, Oregon, in the Willamette Valley, where he spent the rest of his life.[citation needed] He wrote many articles, books (mostly collections of his articles), and short stories during that time.


Marcus Schrenker

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On January 10, Schrenker traveled to Harpersville, Alabama, in a pickup truck carrying a red Yamaha motorcycle with saddlebags containing money and supplies.[10][17] He returned to Indiana after placing the motorcycle in a storage facility, telling the owner he would return and retrieve the motorcycle the following Monday.[10]

On January 11, 2009, Schrenker departed in his single-engine Piper Meridian from an airfield in Anderson, Indiana, scheduled to fly to Destin, Florida.[18] Near Birmingham, Alabama, he made a distress call, telling air traffic controllers that his windshield had imploded and he was "bleeding profusely."[3][6] He then set the plane to autopilot and parachuted out. The plane flew on, crossing Alabama before ultimately crashing in Santa Rosa County, Florida. Military jets that had been dispatched to intercept Schrenker's plane discovered it in flight, with its door open and cockpit empty.[6] They followed the plane until it crashed just north of Milton, Florida at about 9:20pm.[6][19] The plane had flown 200 miles (320 km) on autopilot and crashed 50 to 75 yards from a residential area.[3][19] Upon inspecting the crash site, police discovered a United States atlas and a national campground directory, both of which had the Florida and Alabama sections torn out.[20]

After parachuting to the ground, Schrenker made his way to a private residence in Childersburg, Alabama, arriving around 2:30am on January 12.[5] Appearing wet from the knees down,[5][10] he told the resident he had been in a canoeing accident. He received a ride into town, where he made contact with the local police station. Not yet linking Schrenker to the crash, the police brought him to a hotel in Harpersville, where he checked in under a false name and paid for his room with cash.[5] When police returned later that morning, he had fled on foot into nearby woods.[3] Schrenker then traveled to the storage facility where he had earlier located his motorcycle,[17][21] and then rode the vehicle to a KOA Campground in Quincy, Florida.[20][22] Without offering his name, he told the owners of the grounds that he was traveling cross country with friends, using cash to purchase a one-night tent site, firewood, and a six pack of Bud Light Lime.[20] He was also given access to the campground's wireless internet.[20]

On January 12, Schrenker emailed neighbor and friend Tom Britt, stating the crash was "a misunderstanding" and that he had checked into the motel because he was "embarrassed and scared" of returning home.[21] He also said that he would likely "be gone" by the time Britt read the email.[23] The same day, a Hamilton County Superior Court judge froze the assets of both Schrenker and his estranged wife.[9]

Philip Sessarego

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In 1993, Sessarego faked his own death claiming he was killed by a car bomb in Croatia. He was seen on television around 2001 under the name Tom Carew. He lived with his family near Stirling Lines at Hereford.


Everyone else:
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Notable faked deaths

    * John Stonehouse, a British politician who faked his own suicide by drowning in order to escape financial difficulties and live with his mistress. He was discovered in Australia - where police initially thought he might be Lord Lucan - and jailed.[citation needed]
    * "Lord" Timothy Dexter, an eccentric 18th century New England businessman who faked his own death in order to see how people would react. His wife did not shed any tears at the wake, and as a result he caned her for not being sufficiently saddened at his passing.[1]
    * Graham Cardwell, a Lincolnshire dockmaster who disappeared in September 1998 and was assumed drowned. Eight months later he was discovered living in secret in the West Midlands. He claimed he had thought he was suffering from cancer (though had not sought medical attention) and wanted to spare his family the trauma of it. He was not prosecuted.[citation needed]
    * Alan Kirk Wolford, an American funeral home director who forged his own death certificate in order to evade significant debts.[2]
    * Steven Chin Leung, who faked his death in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in order to evade a charge of passport fraud.[3]
    * Dorothy Johnson, an American woman who allegedly faked her death in the September 11 attacks in order to collect on insurance claims allegedly filed by her daughter, Twila McKee. Johnson and McKee were charged in 2003 with insurance fraud.[4][broken citation]
    * Ken Kesey, an American author who in 1966 faked his death and fled to Mexico in an unsuccessful attempt to avoid imprisonment on marijuana charges.[5]
    * John Darwin, a Briton who disappeared in March 2002 whilst canoeing and was assumed drowned until his discovery and arrest five years later and his trial and conviction the year after.[citation needed]
    * Ace Baker, an American composer and 9/11 conspiracy theorist, faked suicide by gunfire while on a live radio show with Jim Fetzer. Baker later admitted the stunt on his blog, calling it a work of performance art, citing his frustration with the rest of the 9/11 Truth Movement.[citation needed]
    * Marcus Schrenker[citation needed].
    * Samuel Israel III an American hedge fund manager who was facing twenty years in prison for fraud left his car and a suicide note on the Bear Mountain Bridge in an attempted fake suicide in 2008. A year later he surrendered himself to authorities after tiring of life as a fugitive.It should be noted that it was always suspected that his suicide was faked since, among other things, passerby reported that a car had picked someone up on the bridge from near Israel's abandoned car.

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March 18, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
ohhh crumbs.. sterling lines is the SAS in the uk!! is that right!! my partner is obsessed with them (SAS) tell me more cos this could be important!!! :shock:
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March 18, 2010, 06:12:01 PM
I think it´s a very good idea.
Most of the cases I see there is to avoid prison or to get money, what seems to be the only reasons where faking one´s death is a criminal offense. In parallelo with cases of previous faked death I´d like to know if someone knows this for a fact, or some research on how much of criminal offence is in faking one´s death.

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* "Lord" Timothy Dexter, an eccentric 18th century New England businessman who faked his own death in order to see how people would react. His wife did not shed any tears at the wake, and as a result he caned her for not being sufficiently saddened at his passing.[1]

Very good one  :lol:
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March 18, 2010, 06:13:30 PM
they all got caught and faced criminal proceedings

eh  - no hope
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Re: idea
March 18, 2010, 06:22:35 PM
Great idea! Very interesting post! Thx

well they were jailed cause they faked death to avoid criminal charges...or to fraud

But otherwise, every grown up person has the right to disappear. U have a right to disappear as long as u dont owe money or fraud insurance or there is no warrant against u.

Well at least here in europe. Guess it s the same in the states too

so : still hope  :D
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March 18, 2010, 06:24:44 PM
The worst is that if we google "fake death" now, we find MJ  :lol:  :lol:


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Faking it: How to do a Reggie and get away with it

John Darwin take note: it takes a special blend of ingenuity and common sense to stage your own death and not get caught. David Randall offers a few tips

Sunday, 20 July 2008

Your debts are piling up; the job's getting on your nerves, and maybe your partner doesn't look as hot as he or she once did. It's that John Darwin canoe moment – when you think the unthinkable and wonder if life would be better if you ended it all for the old you and started over with a shiny new one. Not a real death, of course. But a phoney – staging, perhaps, your own personal Mary Celeste, with canoe or dinghy abandoned on the briny, or, like ex-minister John Stonehouse and television's immortal Reggie Perrin, a neat little pile of clothes left on the beach with their owner nowhere to be seen. Many are tempted, and a good few, like Mr Darwin of Seaton Carew and Panama fame, succumb. Faking death and having a second bite at life's cherry is a difficult area in which to give guidance, since we never, by definition, get to hear of the successful, only the failures. But their errors and weaknesses can be our instruction manual. And so, as a reader service, we've combed the record for dos and don'ts so we can present Disappearing for Dummies, or How to Do a Reggie Perrin – the 1970s sitcom character who staged a suicide in order to build a new life.

Your 'death'

It can be done. An uplifting tale of success to buoy you all up at the outset. In 1975, New Zealander Ivan Manson, aged 44, with a wife and four children, never returned from a fishing trip. His boat was found, but he wasn't. Police were sceptical. No inquest was held. We might never have been any the wiser had not two cars collided in Queensland, Australia, 20 years later. One of the bodies was identified from fingerprints as Ivan Manson. He had lived as a pillar of the local bowls club in the town of Caboolture ever since his fishing trip. Let his example be your lodestar.

Think twice about using another body: The days when you could stick a corpse of the right gender and approximate height in a car, crash it, soak it with fuel, set it alight, and trust the charred remains will be mistaken for you are – for better or worse – gone. Dental records, DNA and the high price of petrol have put paid to that. No longer is anyone likely to imitate Captain Henry Cecil Dudgeon D'Arcy of the Frontier Light Horse, who, having been awarded the VC in the Zulu wars, turned to drink. Later, a body wearing his clothes was found in a cave and, this being the pathology of a century ago, presumed to be his. Only many decades later was it learnt that D'Arcy had found a dead man lying in the snow, changed clothes with him, and gone to Natal, and lived out the rest of his life under an assumed name. He was once recognised in 1925, but swore his discoverer to the secret, which the man kept until D'Arcy died.

Don't hang around the neighbourhood

In the early 1990s, a dinghy was found washed up on a Suffolk beach. It belonged to Peter Cusworth, a retired hotelier and stress-management counsellor, who, it turned out, was mired in nearly £350,000-worth of debts. His "widow" Valerie then claimed on life insurance policies worth £200,000, but sceptical firms did not pay out. They were wise. Cusworth had not died, but had started a new life as a writer called Jonathan Miles Paget Goodwin. What was surprising was that, having gone to all that trouble, he moved away no further than Norfolk. Sure enough, when he had a rendezvous with Mrs Cusworth at Bury St Edmunds, a policeman recognised him and the game was up.

Minimise the number of people that will go looking for you

The last thing you want when on the run under a new and unfamiliar identity is to have police, insurance assessors, creditors, or all three, on your tail. Two examples will suffice. In 1995, the day before he was to go on trial for sex offences, civil servant Thomas Osmond left a note saying that he had thrown himself off the Severn Bridge. A detective was sceptical, and, three years later, found Osmond in Bristol, living as "Stephen Williams" and working in telesales. He got seven years.

Creditors can be equally assiduous. In 1999, Owen Bruce Taylor disappeared off the face of Auckland, New Zealand, leaving a wife, children, suicide note, and NZ$3m in debts. Unbeknown to them all, he went to Queenstown, 950 miles away, called himself John Bowland, got a job at a timber yard, dated the boss's niece, and, in time, became a director of the firm. But four years later, an employee of the detective agency hired by Taylor's old creditors saw him in a store, and police pulled him in.

A phone call saying you're dead is unlikely to be enough

It is remarkable how many people in trouble think that merely phoning, faxing or emailing the authorities and reporting their own death will be enough to call off the wolves. Newcastle solicitor's secretary Julie Thompson, for instance, faced a fraud compensation claim, and other debts. So she posed as her sister and faxed the court to say that Julie had "regrettably passed away", and her bereaved relatives would be distressed if any arrest warrant was issued. The court demanded a death certificate, and that she couldn't fax.

Do it with conviction

Faking your own death is not an enterprise to be lightly undertaken – nor done just to see the extent of the ensuing bereavement. In 1998, Mike Cilgram, described as a poultry processor, wanted to see how much he meant to his estranged wife, Julie. So he left his clothes on the beach at Gorleston, Norfolk, placed an anonymous call to police to say he'd just seen a naked man walk into the sea. Not surprisingly, he was soon rumbled, and his "widow" was none too impressed. She greeted the resurrected poultry man with a request for divorce. "There's no guarantee he won't do something like this again," she said.

In 2007, Bosnian Amir Vehabovic went further. He staged his death, bribed a firm of undertakers to bury an empty coffin, and hid in the cemetery's bushes to count how many of the 45 invitees showed up. Sadly, only his old mum came, leaving Amir to give the other 44 a piece of his mind. "It just goes to show," said his letter to them, "who you can really count on." The moral: when it comes to your "death", have a long-term motive.

The new you

Let preparation be your watchword

Steve O'Keefe, co-author of How to Disappear Completely and Never Be Found, showed how easy it is to build a new identity. He started making mail-order purchases in his dog's name, and always paid cash, so the hound built up a debt-free history. Mr O'Keefe said: "The records now indicate he has one of the best personal credit ratings in all of Washington state, and that at least once a month he gets a pre-approved application for a Visa or MasterCard."

Create a new you, not the old one with a new name

Many death-fakers are caught because their old character can't help bubbling to the surface. Take the case of the ever-thrusting David Friedland. He was a New Jersey state senator given a jail sentence in 1980 for his part in a $20m fraud, but kept out of prison in exchange for co-operating with investigators. Five years later, and freshly indicted for graft, he staged his death in a scuba diving "accident" in the Bahamas. He went to the Maldives, where he became a prominent businessman, running a chain of scuba-diving shops. But he ruffled local feathers; officials looked into his background, alerted US police, and he was duly arrested. As one of those who tracked him down said: "If he were capable of becoming a low-profile kind of guy, we'd still be looking for him."

Be smart in choosing your new identity

Do not, for instance, try to pass your new self off as your own long-lost relative. Remember the audacious Audrey Hilley. In 1979, this apparently blameless Alabama widow was charged with poisoning her daughter, then 18. The girl survived, arsenic was found, and investigators decided to exhume the body of the late Mr Hilley, who had died suddenly, in the prime of life, four years before. Sure enough, arsenic was found in his body. Mrs Hilley (who had claimed his $30,000 life insurance payout) was charged, and, mysteriously, allowed out on bail. She absconded, married a Texan, and moved with him to New Hampshire. One day she said she was off to visit her sister in Texas. Once there, she faked her own death, even placing an obituary in the local newspaper. Then she went to Florida, where – 20lb lighter, with a new set of teeth, and blond hair – she met her abandoned husband, told him she was his wife's hitherto unmentioned twin sister Terri, and moved into his home. Astonishingly, he was completely fooled – but one old acquaintance wasn't. She went to police, and the long life on the run of Audrey Hilley ended.

Getting away with it

Resist the temptation to have a Facebook page

The internet is a dangerous place when forging a new identity, especially if your appearance hasn't changed. Facing fraud charges, Australian company director Robert Martin faked his death in 1996 and fled to Melbourne. He managed to live there undetected for seven years, until he was unable to resist putting his photo on a personals site. He was recognised and arrested.


Be lucky: Even if you have a flawless plan and carry it out to perfection, you still need luck. Colin Whelan, a Dublin computer analyst who strangled his wife, and then, while out on bail, staged his death by the familiar ruse of a car abandoned by the sea, was spotted four years later by an Irish tourist in a Mallorca bar. And Harry Gordon, another death-faker, had the misfortune while leading what he thought was a new life, to run into his brother in New Zealand.

Do not pose for publicity pictures with Panamanian estate agents

Self-evident, but this has been ignored.

Black widow

Audrey Hilley poisoned her husband, tried to do the same to her daughter, faked her death, remarried, left her husband, then turned up again as her own twin sister.

Brotherly love

Australian Harry Gordon faked his death in 2000 and moved to Spain, England, South Africa and then New Zealand – where he had the misfortune to run into his brother.
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Re: idea
March 18, 2010, 06:29:53 PM
it is said that andy kaufman hasn't really died. he had written a script about a man dying from lung cancer. and it just so happened that kaufman himself was diagnosed with a rare form of lung cancer, although he was living very healthy altogether (vegetarian, no smoking/drinking). i know that a healthy lifestyle won't keep you from getting cancer. but it is weird that he would die the same way as the main character in his own script.

one of his friends said that kaufman talked about hoaxing his death and that, if he ever did, he would return 20 years later. his friends and fans held a 'welcome home andy'-party 20 years after his death, but he didn't show up...unsolved mystery... :mrgreen:
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just because it\'s in print, doesn\'t mean it\'s the gospel - mj 2003

i have incredible disguises, i can fool my own mother - mj 1988

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somekindofsign

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March 18, 2010, 06:32:16 PM
Another:

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Faked his death to see who attended

Amir Vehabovic a 45-year-old, faked his own death to see how many people attended his funeral

Notified their loved ones and friends for their "fake" death and invited a total of 45 people to attend his funeral in the town of Gradiska, Bosnia. The Lord Vehabovic, hid behind a bush to avoid being seen. To his surprise, only his mom was the only person to attend his "funeral".

Angered by the results, sent cards, "Thank you" to others saying that 44 guests had paid big money to get a false death certificate and bribe people to bring an empty coffin to the place - a task difiícil -.


"I thought more of you, who say they call my" friends ". I thought it would come to show respect and say goodbye. I realized who can be counted. "- Said Mr Vehabovic in March 2007.
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March 18, 2010, 07:00:57 PM
Wow!

I´ve got a very good one that prooves that it´s not a criminal offence to fake one´s death.

Francisco Paesa

It´s a really tricky one that I had never related to this.
It is a very famous case in Spain but not for hoaxing his death but because it´s about a Spanish secret agent involved in many cases of government terrorism (GAL against ETA) and big frauds. He faked his death and was found in France but the offense had prescribed so they can catch him.

Which prooves he didn´t commit offense by faking his death, as the authorities could have catch him at least for that. But he´s free... So no offense.

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Although, as I said this is a winding case, he´s a secret agent and there are accusations of pacts with the government... We get her into obscure business. A big mistery itself.
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March 18, 2010, 10:05:30 PM
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I think it´s a very good idea.
Most of the cases I see there is to avoid prison or to get money, what seems to be the only reasons where faking one´s death is a criminal offense. In parallelo with cases of previous faked death I´d like to know if someone knows this for a fact, or some research on how much of criminal offence is in faking one´s death.

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* "Lord" Timothy Dexter, an eccentric 18th century New England businessman who faked his own death in order to see how people would react. His wife did not shed any tears at the wake, and as a result he caned her for not being sufficiently saddened at his passing.[1]

Very good one  :lol:

Hmm..she would have fit in well at Michael's memorial :)
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Re: idea
March 18, 2010, 11:42:38 PM
Great idea Mr.Bigshot :P
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March 19, 2010, 01:00:04 AM
Isn't it against the Law to defraud the public ? Especially when there is money involved ?
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Re: idea
March 19, 2010, 09:08:27 AM
think it would receiving money by deception?
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