Marks on MJ's hands

[~Souza~]

Souza concerning the jawline and not lining up, can you do me a favour?

Walk up to a mirror. Look at yourself. Then lower your jaw but keep your lips closed. Then pull your jaw to the left whilst keeping your lips closed. And then the same to the right.
Then do the same in front of a camera and have yourself photographed and try to line up the pictures.

Sure, and my chin will be a hell of a lot shorter as well  :?  :roll:

Like I said, either you see it or you deny it, I made my point.

[*Mo*]

You know what?  The next time Souza is here I will grab my Nikon and do a whole shoot.  We will then start layering up the pics and show you the results.  I can tell you right now that pulling your jaw to one side does not make your jaw wider on BOTH sides.  Next to that - one chin (length from lower lip to the end of the chin) is definitely shorter, which has nothing to do with opening or closing your mouth.

[Raven]

Sure, and my chin will be a hell of a lot shorter as well  :?  :roll:

Like I said, either you see it or you deny it, I made my point.

Yes, you can lower your jaw when you keep your lips closed, so the jawline lowers. I think you get the point.

[Raven]

You know what?  The next time Souza is here I will grab my Nikon and do a whole shoot.  We will then start layering up the pics and show you the results.  I can tell you right now that pulling your jaw to one side does not make your jaw wider on BOTH sides.  Next to that - one chin (length from lower lip to the end of the chin) is definitely shorter, which has nothing to do with opening or closing your mouth.

the jaw is not wider on both sides. the o2 picture has the wig cover the sides of the jaws. the morph souza posted is a perfect match.

[*Mo*]

:roll: I give up...really I give up...  Just wait and see, but don't come crying at my door!

[~Souza~]

the morph souza posted is a perfect match.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[jacilovesmichael]

Not to mention the picture where he's wearing white, his lips are slighly parted - which means his jaw was most likely relaxed and could potentially make his chin appear longer. But it doesn't. It is shorter. It is unlikely that he would be lowering his jaw while keeping his mouth closed at the 02 announcement. I don't think that's a natural habit for anyone? To be fair, I do think it's important to keep in mind that both of these photos without glasses clearly have been photoshopped, as all pictures are when they appear in magazines. Wrinkles and blemishes are removed, it is also possible to change the appearance of features. I don't think that is likely though.. he was always changing his chin to be more masculine, so I don't think he would want his chin reduced in the photos. If that makes sense.

I think Souza's comparisons make a valid point. When were both of those pictures taken?  I know the white was in Vanity Fair, right? just a few years ago? Just curious.

[Raven]

I'll really look forward seeying Souza's photo's  :lol:

 :|  ->  ->

[alovesmichael]

@Souza

First photo is from the 90's and Michael's face has changed a bit since then (e.g. it's not as full). Second picture is also not very recent and looks well photo-shopped so perhaps you should try finding a more recent photo to compare. Just some advice not being sarcastic.

I have had my doubts about o2-Michael but I do believe that it was real Michael. I also do believe make-up, fillers, different wigs and weight loss changed Michael's appearence in a short period of time. Just as, I think it was DancingTheDream, has already mentioned. I don't think it's the first time Michael's appearance has changed quite drastically in a short period of time (e.g 1984-1985, 1999-2000/01, 2007-2008 etc.)

[*Mo*]

I don't think it's the first time Michael's appearance has changed quite drastically in a short period of time (e.g 1984-1985, 1999-2000/01, 2007-2008 etc.)

Mike has not changed that much, it's the use of doubles that makes you THINK he has changed so much...  It's just an ILLusion.

[alovesmichael]

I don't think it's the first time Michael's appearance has changed quite drastically in a short period of time (e.g 1984-1985, 1999-2000/01, 2007-2008 etc.)

Mike has not changed that much, it's the use of doubles that makes you THINK he has changed so much...  It's just an ILLusion.

I do not doubt that Michael had many doubles but not during appearances where he actually spoke. I've been a fan of Michael all my life and I've looked at many interviews, pictures etc. which is what I based my comment on. I also like to look into things and research things before I make up my mind, so I'm not a fan that see what I want to see. "Drastically" might not have been the right choice of word but at least a visible change. Back then mainly because of vitiligo, weight loss and make-up and these factors including fillers and wigs are, what I believe, the reasons for the more recent changes.

[MJmakesmespeechless]

And how do we not know that the photo has not been altered and touched that your posting???
For instance that one of Michael in white i think he was on one of the magazines either Ebony or Time or something from 2007? Come on it is definately touched. Maybe to make him look "perfect" which come on nobody is
How about you take some TII photos and try this instead.....

[the arabian nights]

And how do we not know that the photo has not been altered and touched that your posting???
For instance that one of Michael in white i think he was on one of the magazines either Ebony or Time or something from 2007? Come on it is definately touched. Maybe to make him look "perfect" which come on nobody is
How about you take some TII photos and try this instead.....

good

yes he did look perfect and global in his looks - i do love those pics

and to the pic genius' fantastic work - even if i disagree

[*Mo*]

And how do we not know that the photo has not been altered and touched that your posting???
For instance that one of Michael in white i think he was on one of the magazines either Ebony or Time or something from 2007? Come on it is definately touched. Maybe to make him look "perfect" which come on nobody is
How about you take some TII photos and try this instead.....

Hahahahaha, from which double in TII?  :lol:

[mykidsmum]

souza, I saw your pics...great pics.  I just want to say, you must use two pictures that are not from a photo shoot.  I know these are great pics, but pictures from photo shoots are photo shopped.  Chins are made smaller, eyes widened and everything to put in a place that is pleasing to the consumer.  This is why when I choose my pictures, I choose from public events or outings...things that people are not going to take the time to alter like in photo shoots.  I love what you did but one of them the size is off.   What program do you use and how do you do it?  I would love to be able to do that. (the fading).  Any way, I don't want to make more work for you, but can you choose another pic that is not from a photo shoot.  The more candid the better.  Like I said...gimme an hour...LOL