Debbie Rowe at Forest Lawen

[Grace]

Did you notice that we are discussing Mike's family again?
Makes me think of the "cardiologist" that became a "family doctor" and the current subject of "dys-functional" families in the context of the "stun gun" theme.

I think it's a whole circle of subjects we are touching while discussing.
Starting with Michael, ending up with Michael. And meanwhile in the process of clearing our minds he changes our lives.

[simplyme]

Debbie was a witness for the prosecution.

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I don't see why Debbie would be in the know of the hoax.  

I agree, Mo. Michael always made it clear that he loved Debbie very much and she was a very special friend. However, she already betrayed him during the trial, and even though she is the "mother" of his children she has made it clear that she doesn't want to play the mother role. Not judging her, I think she is a brave person to have children for someone and give them up to him. I'm just saying, I don't think this is reason enough for everyone to give up on the hoax. It seems like people are giving up really easily lately. I know we're all feeling a bit like we belong in the looney bin, and sometimes it's all exhausting, but just remind yourself of all the clues and reasons to still believe. They are still there. And not just for the sake of believing either. For the sake of truth. There is a reason for this entire thing. If something doesn't add up, it simply doesn't add up. It's up to us to not let the media or anyone fool us and keep searching for the truth.[/quote]

Debbie Rowe did NOT betray Michael at the trial.  You either wern't paying attention at the time, too young to remember or taking someones word for it from a forum somewhere, that believe just because you are a witness for the prosecution you are personally against the person on trial.  That latter simply isn't true.  Debbie helped Michael plain and simple.  She did not testify the way the prosecution thought she would.  If she had told the prosecutor she did not want to testify or would not, he could have hauled her in anyway if he thought it would help his case.  She could have been considered a hostile witness which would have been made clear to the jury.  This probably would not have been helpful to Michael.  That's the short of it.  Debbie played the players.  She did this for Michael.  She did this for her children but she was not dishonest in her testimony.  She had her say, praised Michael, and bashed the people around him.  So give her some credit and stop with the nonense.  It's no better, more justified or rational than what was perpetrated upon Michael.  It's hurtful and disgusting to accuse someone of something that you obviously don't know the first damn thing about.

[mmz]

..just a question...out of topic maybe...Why don't you think Michael has never adopted children? Or he wanted children with his "DNA",but if they are not really his children,as someone claims, why to pay so much money to Debby and not just adopt?
Moreover..I have never understood why he married her...
MJ has often saied he wanted to adopt children,but he never did..moreover,his umanitarian soul would have fit perfectly with adoption...
Madonna,Angelina Jolie did...
A man in USA cannot adopt chidren?

[raphaelleanique]

Did you notice that we are discussing Mike's family again?
Makes me think of the "cardiologist" that became a "family doctor" and the current subject of "dys-functional" families in the context of the "stun gun" theme.

I think it's a whole circle of subjects we are touching while discussing.
Starting with Michael, ending up with Michael. And meanwhile in the process of clearing our minds he changes our lives.

I found this one, suits quite well,though a lttle off topic

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[mumof3]

Forest Lawn is on lock down because Karen Faye went in there and took pictures and sold them to TMZ.

Ive heard only family allowed in now...  which is odd that Debbie not allowed, as she is his ex wife and mother of his kids; i would class her as family.  

Who knows?

Ive never heard of Lisa Marie going there either....

But do you remember the video of the fans going to the entrance of the tomb to take flowers gifts etc with i think Colin the security man when they opened the gate and you could see the tomb, when i emailed they said you can not do that, when i looked the video has been removed so i can not show you, either it was a fake or it is not lock down or they did something they should not have or it is all a cover up

[Lizziebee]

So this is why TMZ deleted the MJHD link.

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[jessicakthx]

If you are going to criticise Debbie for SELLING children you also criticise Michael for BUYING children.

I AGREE.

There are surrogate mothers everywhere and this kind of thing happens everyday. It's also normal for them to get paid.

Obviously they don't normally get the kind of money Debbie has, but this is a bit of a special case. Most surrogate mothers also opt to never see the children again. I don't understand why this is all so BAD.

I would be a surrogate if I were approached correctly and correctly compensated. I do not want children, but there are people out there that deserve to be parents who CAN'T for whatever reason. If I could help them, I would.

MJ had an agreement with Debbie. Who are we to judge? I respect them both, personally.

[mumof3]

I agree it was a private matter between the two of them and you have to respect that but have to say Debbie looked so in love in her pictures with Michael  I admire her she is  a gutsy lady

[QuirkyDiana]

Did anyone notice that the person in the background is Marc Schaffel?

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[jessicakthx]

I agree it was a private matter between the two of them and you have to respect that but have to say Debbie looked so in love in her pictures with Michael  I admire her she is  a gutsy lady

She really is gutsy. And I admire her attitude, honestly. When it comes to the press and stuff. She doesn't take bullshit and I like that.

And think about it guys, there are millions of women that would have had Michael's kids. He chose Debbie for a reason, and it's just none of our business to try to speculate on it.

[DancingTheDream]

Did anyone notice that the person in the background is Marc Schaffel?

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Who is Marc Schaffel?

[paula-c]

Who is Marc Schaffel?   :?:

[pepper]

This is who Marc Schaffel is...

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Former Jackson Associate Speaks Out
Former Confidant Details Lawsuit, Allegations of Drug Use, Financial Woes for 'King of Pop'
Nov. 17, 2004 --

"Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer and one-time Jackson confidant, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court against Jackson seeking more than $3 million for alleged breach of contract and other agreements. In his lawsuit, Schaffel alleges the entertainer is broke and has had problems with drugs and lavish spending. In his complaint, which was obtained by ABC News, Schaffel says the pop star's need to borrow money "accelerated when Jackson's increasingly more frequent excessive use of drugs and alcohol impelled him into irrational demands for large amounts of money and extravagant possessions." In an exclusive interview with ABC News' senior legal correspondent Cynthia McFadden on "Good Morning America," Schaffel speculated that Jackson has a dependency on painkillers and pain medication and said the singer would call him in the middle of the night seeking loans for one of his spending sprees.

"When Michael would be on drugs, he would call two, three, four in the morning, very distorted," Schaffel said. "And he would say, 'Oh, can you give me $70,000 tomorrow? There's this table I saw. I gotta have it for my living room."
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Debbie at FL with Marc Schaffel (guy with mustache and glasses) in background.



According to this link from ABC News, if you look at photo #7 this is Marc Schaffel from article "Jackson Case Key Players"
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Jackson also faced felony conspiracy charges that refer to alleged attempts to quiet the alleged victim and his family through five associates. One of those associates was Marc Schaffel, a reputed porn producer who has sued Jackson for breach of contract. (ABC News)

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"What More Can I Give"  is a song written by American musician Michael Jackson and recorded by a supergroup of singers following the September 11 attacks in 2001. "What More Can I Give" was scheduled for release as a charity single, in the hope that $50 million would be raised to aid the survivors and the families of victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.The plan, however, never came to fruition and the reasons why have varied between sources and the individuals involved. One newspaper stated that the release of the song was abandoned after it emerged that the executive producer had directed pornographic movies. The producer, Marc Schaffel, denied that he was to blame[/u], and offered the opinion that the song was not released as part of a marketing ploy by Sony Music.


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Marc Schaffel seems to have been Debbie Rowe's spokesperson in this article from around the time of the Memorial in July.
(Link to See this article - it won't let me copy the photo of Debbie with Marc Schaffel in background)

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 July 06, 2009

"Contrary to previous reports, Debbie Rowe will not be attending Michael Jackson’s memorial tomorrow as a “VIP". A ticket was set aside for her as a VIP to the memorial. Mark Schaffel, a former associate of Michael’s, told GMA this morning, "Debbie will attend. We just got confirmation last night from the people who are handling the VIP seats that they do have Debbie's seats and she will be attending.”  Schaffel went on to say Debbie has been trying to get in touch with the Jackson family, saying, "There has been outreach, unfortunately, like so many cases, there's so much going on that they just have not been able to make contact. There were several tries, just for the fact of phone numbers that had changed, you know, answering machines that were full. Contact had not been able to happen prior."
As for the custody battle, Schaffel said, "All I can say is the only one that could give an answer to that would be Debbie Rowe's lawyers, and they're the only ones that could make any kind of official statement on that or obviously make any statement regarding that.”

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[pepper]

He is also in this video (March 4, 2009) from TMZ with her.  Click on the link to see the video.  Interesting that none of the video interviewers asked who he was.

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[LOVEYOUMORE]

Hmmm i think Debbie would know about the hoax cause i think she will still be talking to her kids.
I think this is it people. We have to accept that Michael is dead.
God has given the world an angel and the world abused the angel. Now God took his angel back.
Farewell Michael... rest in peace  :cry:IF Michael is alive , he wouldn't let her in on it .