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Speaking about vendetta, I'm guilty of seeing the movie so late... but I finaly saw the movie.
The image of the red curtain behind Mr. V broadcasting his message to the London people shocked me.
What do you all think, is there a connection between the movie V for Vendetta and what's happening since June 25th?

there are a lot of references in what mj did to 'v for vendetta', the color scheme, mask wearing, some dance routines form a 'v' (like in 'you rock my world' - all in black and red, too!), last but not least, he owned such a mask himself, prince was wearing it at some point when they were still always masked to go out.
it's originally a comic-book (artful comic, more for grown-ups) and they made a movie out of it, so the story has been around before the movie. and michael is a great fan of both comics and film.   :mrgreen:
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just because it\'s in print, doesn\'t mean it\'s the gospel - mj 2003

i have incredible disguises, i can fool my own mother - mj 1988

...details at eleven...

wear something green!

proud member of the army of l.o.v.e!

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liegi

It will be interesting to compare it to the graphic novel that will be coming out by Michael Jackson (Fated).
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Thank you for the explanations. I saw a video showing the similarities with V for Vendetta.

Do you think Michael chose London only to match with the movie?
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I'am the investigator from this post on MJfiles....Go to Google map, Las Vegas and put in Gypsy Night Club, now zoom-in with the satellite....Yes that is a big parking lot....and well hidden...I know, I have watched this lot on a surveillance case, and it is a hot meeting spot.....So why now?...I just retired.....and yes, I have proof!.....but I want to know, why are so many MJ fans "homophobic"?....I love the "WIZ", and it don't make any difference to me, that this talented man was gay.
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I'am the investigator from this post on MJfiles....Go to Google map, Las Vegas and put in Gypsy Night Club, now zoom-in with the satellite....Yes that is a big parking lot....and well hidden...I know, I have watched this lot on a surveillance case, and it is a hot meeting spot.....So why now?...I just retired.....and yes, I have proof!.....but I want to know, why are so many MJ fans "homophobic"?....I love the "WIZ", and it don't make any difference to me, that this talented man was gay.


You are the private investigator you mean?

I couldn't care less if he were gay, I am Dutch and my own brother has a great boyfriend, that should say it all. But that doesn't mean I think Mike is gay, for multiple reasons.
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Very well Zousa, the above mentioned good,. :mrgreen:
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good to hear some sense....I think Americans are still struggling with homophobia......if you wish to see Michael Jackson as non-gay, for somr reason, I say good for you....now we can talk....The investigation agency I worked for, had "tailed" Mr. Jackson, My Boss found it very funny that Mr. Jackson would not get out of the car, when His driver / bodyguard, would drive Mr. Jackson around the Las Vegas "fruit Loop"....I know...this is hard for MJ fans, but why?..this man had a right to His life......I think MJ would still be alive today, if the public had been more kind....oh by the way,,I'am not an english teacher or a writer...but I'am giving you a chance to grow-up, and I want nothing..[I might feel a little guilty] look when this comes out, and it will...you will be ahead of the news.
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Please clarify. I may have misunderstood your statement.

Are you telling us that MJ rode in the car through the gay section of Las Vegas for the  purpose of finding gay men?   You did say that your agency followed MJ and his driver, right?

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good to hear some sense....I think Americans are still struggling with homophobia......if you wish to see Michael Jackson as non-gay, for somr reason, I say good for you....now we can talk....The investigation agency I worked for, had "tailed" Mr. Jackson, My Boss found it very funny that Mr. Jackson would not get out of the car, when His driver / bodyguard, would drive Mr. Jackson around the Las Vegas "fruit Loop"....I know...this is hard for MJ fans, but why?..this man had a right to His life......I think MJ would still be alive today, if the public had been more kind....oh by the way,,I'am not an english teacher or a writer...but I'am giving you a chance to grow-up, and I want nothing..[I might feel a little guilty] look when this comes out, and it will...you will be ahead of the news.
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No I'am not just telling you that Michael was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, He was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, fact!.....so now, here is were you must attack me for giving information from my work place?...Is this what you are going to do?....because if it is the same old, homophobic / attack the messenger thing....You can just say, ya' thats what I'am going to do.
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~Souza~Topic starter

Quote from: "brian PI"
good to hear some sense....I think Americans are still struggling with homophobia......if you wish to see Michael Jackson as non-gay, for somr reason, I say good for you....now we can talk....The investigation agency I worked for, had "tailed" Mr. Jackson, My Boss found it very funny that Mr. Jackson would not get out of the car, when His driver / bodyguard, would drive Mr. Jackson around the Las Vegas "fruit Loop"....I know...this is hard for MJ fans, but why?..this man had a right to His life......I think MJ would still be alive today, if the public had been more kind....oh by the way,,I'am not an english teacher or a writer...but I'am giving you a chance to grow-up, and I want nothing..[I might feel a little guilty] look when this comes out, and it will...you will be ahead of the news.

We are already 8,5 months ahead of the news Brian ;)

Again, I wouldn't care if he was, but I really don't think he is gay. Of course that is only from what I have seen in his public appearances, but I can assure you I have a huge gay-detector and he doesn't have that vibe at all, not even when he is wearing lashes 2 times as long as mine.

Besides that, I think certain people wanted to make the public believe he was gay, to discredit him. Something I as a Dutchie don't understand, but in the States it is still an issue if you are gay.

So let's assume you followed that car, how do you know it was him in that car? That is my question to you. If it was your boss's goal to discredit Mike, who says he wouldn't make you think it was him? And wasn't that car blinded? If he didn't come out, how do you know he was even in there?

If there is something I learned these past months, is that nothing is what it seems when it comes to Michael Jackson.

Just let me tell you that whatever you might have seen, it could have been a big illusion, in whatever way.
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There was no attack toward you within the question. Remember how I started the post with asking for clarification since I may have misunderstood. You brought up a new and,  as you can imagine,  hot topic. If someone  suggests that they know something firsthand or through reliable sources then they will be questioned to determine their credibilty. That's not attacking, That is good investigative work on the part of the person asking the questions. As a P.I. , you should fully understand that method.

Now... back to the original question. Are you telling us that MJ was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas for the purpose of looking for gay men? I ask because I  can go to gay bars or gay night clubs to hang out with gay friends but I am not gay. Just because someone is seen in a gay area doesn't automatically mean that they are either. If you have insider knowledge, my question was simply asked  to get clarification and a  better understanding of  what you were communicating within your post. Nothing more than that.  

I am American however I am not homophobic. I could actually care less who's loving who.

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No I'am not just telling you that Michael was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, He was driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, fact!.....so now, here is were you must attack me for giving information from my work place?...Is this what you are going to do?....because if it is the same old, homophobic / attack the messenger thing....You can just say, ya' thats what I'am going to do.
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The owner of the agency had someone in the hotel section of the Mirage Casino, that would call whenever Mr. Jackson would leave the hotel at night, this type of thing is a standard operation. [no big deal] The agency would often have a person waiting near a known exit, just sitting in their car. [we used radios, not cell phones] I put in many hours doing just that, when I was an apprentice. [but not in 1993, I had moved beyond this work]....this will come out, a Jackson family representative has replied, in an email sent to me, that they know  most of this already.....The only reason it is not, "out yet", is because it says too much about Michael Jackson being gay, but His gay life style [or bi?] will be part of the murder investigation being carried out by the family.....Don't believe me?...OK, just wait and see.
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Sorry for being "gun shy", I have been attacked so many times, just for telling the truth...It even made my Mom made when I told Her, back in 1993. [she liked MJ]...nice forum.
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We know that doubles were used over a number of years.  How can you be sure it was Michael Jackson being driven around the gay section of Las Vegas, and not one of his doubles..?
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Quote from: "brian PI"
The owner of the agency had someone in the hotel section of the Mirage Casino, that would call whenever Mr. Jackson would leave the hotel at night, this type of thing is a standard operation. [no big deal] The agency would often have a person waiting near a known exit, just sitting in their car. [we used radios, not cell phones] I put in many hours doing just that, when I was an apprentice. [but not in 1993, I had moved beyond this work]....this will come out, a Jackson family representative has replied, in an email sent to me, that they know  most of this already.....The only reason it is not, "out yet", is because it says too much about Michael Jackson being gay, but His gay life style [or bi?] will be part of the murder investigation being carried out by the family.....Don't believe me?...OK, just wait and see.

I am not saying I don't believe you, I am saying that nothing is as it seems. I still didn't see an answer as to how you know for sure it was him.
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