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you know what bothers me on this, when was the lethal doseage supposidly given? was it in the day? it confuses me..if it was in the day why would Michael want to sleep at that time of the day when his kids where there and he was suppose to be rehearsing at 2pm with his vocalist and at 4pm with the choreographer as they've stated in interviews..plus does anyone remember the interview he did i think it may be on the old forum when he said he's just a regular dad, he gets up between 6.30am and 7am has a shower wakes the kids they have breakfast etc etc you get my drift, i just don't get it, no matter how many times i say it to myselfALSO if he used the propfol to wake up on demand as it leaves your system so quick WHY still be put under and still medicated at that time, why wasn't he awake and spending time with his kids or something like that!!
Quote from: "karmaknowstruth"He's gonna be in big trouble, but then again inside the hoax what is the point of changing the story? Must be he messed up MJ's original plan and it will make a difference in the long run.If the time line changes to the propofol given later that makes things seem more off as you said since rehearsals start at 2. Getting the drip even later is stupid. Did any of you upload that Travis Payne interview where he was stressing the point of rehearsal at 2, he was expecting to pick MJ up for rehearsal at 2.....he must have said that 2 o'clock thing at least 3 times in that interview. Should we secure that interview before it is taken down due to copyright restrictions ?I had a nagging feeling that Travis was hiding something.Also Ortega repeated that 2 o'clock time too. Do you recall that ?xoxoxoI remember both of those. I thought it was weird they kept stressing "2". Maybe they were hinting at "2 different stories" IDK...Read my post above...about where the 911 call was made.
He's gonna be in big trouble, but then again inside the hoax what is the point of changing the story? Must be he messed up MJ's original plan and it will make a difference in the long run.If the time line changes to the propofol given later that makes things seem more off as you said since rehearsals start at 2. Getting the drip even later is stupid. Did any of you upload that Travis Payne interview where he was stressing the point of rehearsal at 2, he was expecting to pick MJ up for rehearsal at 2.....he must have said that 2 o'clock thing at least 3 times in that interview. Should we secure that interview before it is taken down due to copyright restrictions ?I had a nagging feeling that Travis was hiding something.Also Ortega repeated that 2 o'clock time too. Do you recall that ?xoxoxo
The phone call was not placed from a hotel down the street. That has already been debunked. As for the phone in the room... do we know that it had service? Chopra said that he tried to call Michael two days before his death and the phone was disconnected.So maybe there was a phone, but it didn't work? Let's see what inconsistencies they come up with next.KEEP THE FAITH!
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"One more thing.....lets not forget shall we that the 911 call was placed from a cell phone from a hotel down the road....and the fact that Murray said there were no phones in the bedrrom yet,the autopsy report said there were..........Just another clue guys...i recall that the 911-caller (bodyguard alvarez?) said he had his workphone registered with the address of the beverly wilshire cuz he worked there before and you have to submit an address when you get your phone. that's why that address showed up, i think i saw that on youtube where someone had the ambulance screen. below was the call from the 'hotel phone', above that was michael's address the caller had given them. makes sense to me. but maybe they're just saying that, too...the bedroom was allegedly not michael's usual bedroom but the room murray stayed in and murray claimed that the phones were not set to make outgoing calls. if this was a guestroom i could imagine that, too, if you want to make sure your guests (or employees?) are not running up your phone bill. i can't really imagine that michael would be so suspicious of his guests that he would block the phones or maybe they were just intercom phones. maybe he had just one 'masterphone' in his room and everybody else has cellphones anyway. i could imagine that he provided his employees with cellphones instead of giving up his house phone no., so they could act in his name but have individual and personal numbers (like housekeeper, chef, security...).otherwise, it is indeed odd to have phones in a room and not be able to make calls. murray messing up his lines again?another one: murray claimed he had to get someone cuz he didn't know the 'physical address' of michael's residence. how can you be a studied man, practicing doctor over years, with patients you go see personally and not know or remember their physical addresses? even if he had to use a navigation system in his car, he would have to type that in at least once, so he had to have the address somewhere. the time he wasted looking for someone, he could have gotten that out of his car with the 911dispatcher already on his cellphone. he ran downstairs and left his patient, so he could have done that, too.
One more thing.....lets not forget shall we that the 911 call was placed from a cell phone from a hotel down the road....and the fact that Murray said there were no phones in the bedrrom yet,the autopsy report said there were..........Just another clue guys...
Ok look, there's simply no polite way to say this....YOU GUYS HAVE LEARNED NOTHING IN 8 MONTHS. MICHAEL JACKSON HASN'T TAUGHT YOU ONE SINGLE THING.QuoteAdding a surprising twist to the Michael Jackson homicide investigation Dr. Conrad Murray’s attorney Michael Flanagan tells RadarOnline.com exclusively that his client made a mistake when he was initially interviewed by the LAPD following Michael Jackson’s death in June 2009.Dr. Conrad Murray Pleads Not Guilty – Bail Set At $75k"Dr. Murray's timeline of events that day when Michael Jackson died is wrong,” Flanagan says. “Doctors make mistakes, and that is what he did, and it was simply just that, a mistake.”Dr. Murray changing the story that he initially told police in the aftermath of Jackson’s death is a significant event for both the prosecution and the defense.According to police reports Dr. Murray initially told the LAPD that he administered the powerful sedative Propofol to Jackson at 10.50am, and that he then left Jackson alone for two minutes to go to the bathroom. Murray then went on to say that when he returned to Jackson’s room he wasn’t breathing and this is when he began CPR. PHOTOS: Dr. Conrad Murray Arrives At CourtHowever, the 911 call wasn’t actually made until 12.21 pm, considerably after Murray stated that he had discovered Jackson in distress and started CPR. In addition, a voicemail message was released Monday that Murray reportedly made at 11.54 am to another patient of his, Bob Russell. In the voicemail Murray sounds calm and collected as he informs his patient about the results of a heart scan. That’s a situation that seems incredible if Murray had in fact been performing CPR on Jackson for approximately an hour before the call.AUDIO: Listen To Dr. Murray's Message To Bob RussellBut now Flanagan says that Murray was wrong about the timing of events. He would not, however, get more specific about when Murray found Jackson in distress.PHOTOS: The Jackson Family Arrive At CourtThe timeline of events surrounding the death of Jackson will most likely be central to the criminal case against Dr. Murray. Some reports say that both the defense and the prosecution plan to use the newly surfaced voicemail as a centerpiece to their case. Murray’s legal team aims to discredit cops' initial interviews with their client in a bid to convince a jury that they bungled the situation, according to some sources. VIDEO: Crowd Shouts “Murderer” As Dr. Murray Arrives At Court But Flanagan, who still hasn't received formal discovery from the prosecutors, and hasn't heard the official voicemail message that Dr. Murray left for Bob Russell, says that he believes his client simply made a mistake when it came to the timeline that fateful day. "Dr. Murray's timeline was wrong," he told RadarOnline.com, adding that he also believes there is another phone call that has not been uncovered. And that other voicemail is reportedly a phone call between Murray and his girlfriend in Houston, shortly after noon. 911 was called at 12:21.So if Murray did administer Propofol to Jackson at 10:50 am as he initially told police, it would be natural for cops to assume he did not come back and check on Jackson until several minutes after mid-day, when he rushed off the phone to go to Jackson’s aide. That would mean he most likely left Jackson alone for approximately 73 minutes – not two minutes as he claimed -- after administering Propofol, which would be extremely damaging to his defense. Murray’s calm phone call to a patient at 11:54 am would fit a police theory that he did not check on Jackson after administering Propofol.Now, with Flanagan saying Murray was wrong about the timeline, it favorably (for Murray) explains why he was calm during the call to his patient and does not make it look like the doctor left Jackson alone for a long time after administering Propofol.
Adding a surprising twist to the Michael Jackson homicide investigation Dr. Conrad Murray’s attorney Michael Flanagan tells RadarOnline.com exclusively that his client made a mistake when he was initially interviewed by the LAPD following Michael Jackson’s death in June 2009.Dr. Conrad Murray Pleads Not Guilty – Bail Set At $75k"Dr. Murray's timeline of events that day when Michael Jackson died is wrong,” Flanagan says. “Doctors make mistakes, and that is what he did, and it was simply just that, a mistake.”Dr. Murray changing the story that he initially told police in the aftermath of Jackson’s death is a significant event for both the prosecution and the defense.According to police reports Dr. Murray initially told the LAPD that he administered the powerful sedative Propofol to Jackson at 10.50am, and that he then left Jackson alone for two minutes to go to the bathroom. Murray then went on to say that when he returned to Jackson’s room he wasn’t breathing and this is when he began CPR. PHOTOS: Dr. Conrad Murray Arrives At CourtHowever, the 911 call wasn’t actually made until 12.21 pm, considerably after Murray stated that he had discovered Jackson in distress and started CPR. In addition, a voicemail message was released Monday that Murray reportedly made at 11.54 am to another patient of his, Bob Russell. In the voicemail Murray sounds calm and collected as he informs his patient about the results of a heart scan. That’s a situation that seems incredible if Murray had in fact been performing CPR on Jackson for approximately an hour before the call.AUDIO: Listen To Dr. Murray's Message To Bob RussellBut now Flanagan says that Murray was wrong about the timing of events. He would not, however, get more specific about when Murray found Jackson in distress.PHOTOS: The Jackson Family Arrive At CourtThe timeline of events surrounding the death of Jackson will most likely be central to the criminal case against Dr. Murray. Some reports say that both the defense and the prosecution plan to use the newly surfaced voicemail as a centerpiece to their case. Murray’s legal team aims to discredit cops' initial interviews with their client in a bid to convince a jury that they bungled the situation, according to some sources. VIDEO: Crowd Shouts “Murderer” As Dr. Murray Arrives At Court But Flanagan, who still hasn't received formal discovery from the prosecutors, and hasn't heard the official voicemail message that Dr. Murray left for Bob Russell, says that he believes his client simply made a mistake when it came to the timeline that fateful day. "Dr. Murray's timeline was wrong," he told RadarOnline.com, adding that he also believes there is another phone call that has not been uncovered. And that other voicemail is reportedly a phone call between Murray and his girlfriend in Houston, shortly after noon. 911 was called at 12:21.So if Murray did administer Propofol to Jackson at 10:50 am as he initially told police, it would be natural for cops to assume he did not come back and check on Jackson until several minutes after mid-day, when he rushed off the phone to go to Jackson’s aide. That would mean he most likely left Jackson alone for approximately 73 minutes – not two minutes as he claimed -- after administering Propofol, which would be extremely damaging to his defense. Murray’s calm phone call to a patient at 11:54 am would fit a police theory that he did not check on Jackson after administering Propofol.Now, with Flanagan saying Murray was wrong about the timeline, it favorably (for Murray) explains why he was calm during the call to his patient and does not make it look like the doctor left Jackson alone for a long time after administering Propofol.
@ THE JACKSONOLOGIST,I know it couldn't be taped in that situation, besides there are countless things which are contrast each other on that very morning, i just wanted to point out that the biggest clue in this Murray-patient-taped-message is why on earth would somebody tape his own massage, especially a "doctor", who has to close his mouth and not talking to anyone else about his patient. So there must be a purpose of releasing this message...
Quote from: "lisap27"you know what bothers me on this, when was the lethal doseage supposidly given? was it in the day? it confuses me..if it was in the day why would Michael want to sleep at that time of the day when his kids where there and he was suppose to be rehearsing at 2pm with his vocalist and at 4pm with the choreographer as they've stated in interviews..plus does anyone remember the interview he did i think it may be on the old forum when he said he's just a regular dad, he gets up between 6.30am and 7am has a shower wakes the kids they have breakfast etc etc you get my drift, i just don't get it, no matter how many times i say it to myselfALSO if he used the propfol to wake up on demand as it leaves your system so quick WHY still be put under and still medicated at that time, why wasn't he awake and spending time with his kids or something like that!!Yes, that has always bothered me too. Since Michael had rehearsals until midnight, he probably slept later than usual, but trying to get just a couple of hours of sleep without the REM phase, and then meet with your choreographer at 14:00 h, then go to rehearsals doesn't make any sense. The whole situation is still a mystery to me.
Quote from: "tabloidburn"Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"One more thing.....lets not forget shall we that the 911 call was placed from a cell phone from a hotel down the road....and the fact that Murray said there were no phones in the bedrrom yet,the autopsy report said there were..........Just another clue guys...i recall that the 911-caller (bodyguard alvarez?) said he had his workphone registered with the address of the beverly wilshire cuz he worked there before and you have to submit an address when you get your phone. that's why that address showed up, i think i saw that on youtube where someone had the ambulance screen. below was the call from the 'hotel phone', above that was michael's address the caller had given them. makes sense to me. but maybe they're just saying that, too...the bedroom was allegedly not michael's usual bedroom but the room murray stayed in and murray claimed that the phones were not set to make outgoing calls. if this was a guestroom i could imagine that, too, if you want to make sure your guests (or employees?) are not running up your phone bill. i can't really imagine that michael would be so suspicious of his guests that he would block the phones or maybe they were just intercom phones. maybe he had just one 'masterphone' in his room and everybody else has cellphones anyway. i could imagine that he provided his employees with cellphones instead of giving up his house phone no., so they could act in his name but have individual and personal numbers (like housekeeper, chef, security...).otherwise, it is indeed odd to have phones in a room and not be able to make calls. murray messing up his lines again?another one: murray claimed he had to get someone cuz he didn't know the 'physical address' of michael's residence. how can you be a studied man, practicing doctor over years, with patients you go see personally and not know or remember their physical addresses? even if he had to use a navigation system in his car, he would have to type that in at least once, so he had to have the address somewhere. the time he wasted looking for someone, he could have gotten that out of his car with the 911dispatcher already on his cellphone. he ran downstairs and left his patient, so he could have done that, too.Really? I never heard that before. How long then was he working with Michael? When did he leave employment at the Bev Hotel? I would assume if he had worked for Michael for a number of years, within that time he would of at least brought a new cellphone. Where did he live? Wouldn't he of not changed his details with his service provider? That's weird.
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