Official back & Front thread

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

I agree with curls. I'm not ok with TS_comments handing out false dates either. I find it a bizarre notion that someone would go to these lengths to play around with the minds of a few people on the internet for these many years but I am not naive enough to think it impossible.

Perhaps back was always a marketing tool invented by MJ. He gave MJ a "tougher" side to round out all the softness that could be associated with passivity, he drummed up excitement in the fan base for new and upcoming MJ things by eluding to something big coming MJ related, he retained that interest (keep watchin), he also gave MJ a voice during the trials; to speak out against the treatment he was being subjected to, and allowed him to vent without tainting his ever patient and polite public image. He also kept the fan base's spirits up during said trial.

I mentioned it once so at risk of being repetitive; back never said much of anything in regards to a Bam. Yes he said the word "bam" but it wasn't in conjunction with a future event so in context it does not apply to a comeback clue. The context around which he used the word "bam" ONE time in his surviving posts has zero to do with the hoax. The greatest clue back gives us is the date of death (lacking a year) combined with his presence on the forum post-6/25/09, but those things do not mean MJ is alive and coming back.

The presence of these clues make no sense without a comeback, that's pretty easy to say, but not everything in life "makes sense". People do weird things all the time for no particularly good reason. The biggest, strongest clue is the Liberian Girl pics used at the memorial and burial but there is precious little given recently. I suppose Jermaine constantly saying "it's all going to come out" is a strong clue as well but why hasn't he said this since Murray's trial? For someone who repeated this phrase like he was reading it off a cue card for his life, JJ sure has been silent regarding anything coming out in over a year. And whatever happened to "justice, then truth"?? I haven't seen any truth, has anyone else?

Would the Jackson family perpetuate a false hoax to honor MJ's public life as the Man of Mystery? Maybe. Sure. Why not? They owe us nothing. Would MJ perpetuate false hope in a few conspiracy theorists online just for fun even though he had no intention of coming back... ever? MAYBE. He is a prankster. He does love a good story. All for love can = all for fun. Maybe he thinks it's fun? It's probably pretty good people watching.

I would agree with you if the game had been only played by Michael's brothers and sisters and even his father (Mr. Joe Jackson) I don't talk about the children because you know children can be easily manipulated, but sorry I can't entertain the idea of a mother (Mrs Katherine Jackson) playing the game and being disrespectful to the memory of his son just for fun, she would pay a different tribute to Michael and never a hoax, IMHO.

[bec]

If MJ wanted her to, do you doubt that she would? I do not.

[Thriller4ever]

I really want TS/Front to know that, if they have conveyed us a false Bam date (that is comeback within 2012) just to see who sticks to this hoax till the end, then you guys better know that we all are here till the very end...no one of us would lose their beliefs, no one of us can. If this is mere testing...you better stop, let us know that this is false and never give any Bam date again...
And if you've put up this Bam date for us to discover something...so be it, we are all ready to take in whatever information comes in our way.
But false dates just for 'play with us' purpose is wrong...not for me, but for the many others...who can't stop expecting (for whatever reasons they cannot let go of their expectations)
We can't tell them stop expecting, because we don't their lives and what they've been through...
So my humble request, no false dates...we are here as long as it takes...

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

If MJ wanted her to, do you doubt that she would? I do not.

No I mean in case that Michael were dead, if Michael is alive of course I agree with you that she would play the game as she is doing.

[SimPattyK]

@Sim, I like your montages with Apollo.  I've been trying to figure this out on and off all year !
What do you think it all means ? 

I think that strictly for hoax purposes, these APOLLO connections mean:

- Michael representing the SUN, LIGHTMAN the Light of the world, RISING (resurrecting)...
and if we connect this to
- that article about Murray "coming home by Christmas",
- Paris twit of those lyrics from the song 'I miss you", containing that particular line "And we shall have Halloween on Christmas"
- Front wishing us "a very necessary early Merry Christmas"
- all the RESURRECTION references from 4 official sources
- Jermaine changing his name into JackSUN
- and all the information posted on the previous page from TNZ [Aurelian established December 25 as the birthday of the INVINCIBLE SUN in the 3d century as part of the Roman Winter Solstice celebrations.]
Therefore, IMO, December 25th is a highly possible BAM date.  :icon_bounce:

And I also think that while all this time, we have wrongly interpreted all those December 21st & 22nd to be BAM-clues, they might actually have been intended to mean this:

So for primitive man Dec. 22 was the start of winter and marked the beginning of the worst stage of his yearly struggle for survival.
---> That's WHY ^^ we had all those family twits containing the word BEGINNING, that @Thriller4ever put into a montage previous pages ago.

Primitive men believed the Sun had died as they could detect no movement of the Sun in the sky for 3 days. Solstice means 'a turning point'.
The early pre-Christians established rituals concerning this period: the sun lays in a grave for 3 days, but then shall be resurrected.

And that's WHY we had all those official references for the word RESURRECTED!
So, December 22nd clues + 3 days = December 25th ! ( BAM ?) I hope so!!  :bowdown:

[bec]

Well back did reference something in regards to "72 hours previous the logic of a moment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only tIme will tell".

However, I doubt MJ would trample the God show with a Bam on Christmas Day.

[TuTcurse]

@Sim, I like your montages with Apollo.  I've been trying to figure this out on and off all year !
What do you think it all means ? 

I think that strictly for hoax purposes, these APOLLO connections mean:

- Michael representing the SUN, LIGHTMAN the Light of the world, RISING (resurrecting)...
and if we connect this to
- that article about Murray "coming home by Christmas",
- Paris twit of those lyrics from the song 'I miss you", containing that particular line "And we shall have Halloween on Christmas"
- Front wishing us "a very necessary early Merry Christmas"
- all the RESURRECTION references from 4 official sources
- Jermaine changing his name into JackSUN
- and all the information posted on the previous page from TNZ [Aurelian established December 25 as the birthday of the INVINCIBLE SUN in the 3d century as part of the Roman Winter Solstice celebrations.]
Therefore, IMO, December 25th is a highly possible BAM date.  :icon_bounce:

And I also think that while all this time, we have wrongly interpreted all those December 21st & 22nd to be BAM-clues, they might actually have been intended to mean this:

So for primitive man Dec. 22 was the start of winter and marked the beginning of the worst stage of his yearly struggle for survival.
---> That's WHY ^^ we had all those family twits containing the word BEGINNING, that @Thriller4ever put into a montage previous pages ago.

Primitive men believed the Sun had died as they could detect no movement of the Sun in the sky for 3 days. Solstice means 'a turning point'.
The early pre-Christians established rituals concerning this period: the sun lays in a grave for 3 days, but then shall be resurrected.

And that's WHY we had all those official references for the word RESURRECTED!
So, December 22nd clues + 3 days = December 25th ! ( BAM ?) I hope so!!  :bowdown:

The light of the world? I don't think you should call Michael that. Maybe I'm being a bit over religious but I dont think you should consider another human, who cuts in bleeds in that sense at all.

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

Well back did reference something in regards to "72 hours previous the logic of a moment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only tIme will tell".

However, I doubt MJ would trample the God show with a Bam on Christmas Day.

Do you mean he would never eclipse Christmas Day for the sake of his hoax and BAM and take away the importance that God has that day?

[mindseye]

Well back did reference something in regards to "72 hours previous the logic of a moment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only tIme will tell".

However, I doubt MJ would trample the God show with a Bam on Christmas Day.

Do you mean he would never eclipse Christmas Day for the sake of his hoax and BAM and take away the importance of God has that day?

I agree, probably not Christmas... but maybe after a day of simmering. Thinking outside the box  :icon_geek:

[SimPattyK]

The light of the world? I don't think you should call Michael that. Maybe I'm being a bit over religious but I dont think you should consider another human, who cuts in bleeds in that sense at all.

I was PARAPHRASING the first lyrics of the song "This Is It"

@ashprak247: What you posted fits with the news about Jermaine changing his name into JackSUN
and also with the Apollo (Sun GOD) connections!!

The SUN = The LIGHT of the world! --->  "This is IT! Here I stand! I'm the LIGHT of the World, I feel grand!"

OMG!  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce:

[~Souza~]

Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus, or God. It's a pagan holiday that celebrates the 'resurrection' of the sun, the lenghtening of days. Jesus was born somewhere between spring and fall, Christmas has nothing to do with it, it was made into what it is today.

I also think we are starting to overanalyze and this thread (for me at least) is not worth reading anymore. Paris is a teen and whatever she writes is being judged and scrutinized, big comparison pictures and I.M.H.O. no investigation of the stuff that really matters: MJ. His life, his trials, his pain, the vultures. Nothing. This thread is a circus and a competition, who will Front like best? I'm seriously considering closing this thread, no matter how entertaining Front is.

As for TS, he was wrong on the date. So what? It's always so easy to remember the negative. Most people remembered just the negative about MJ too.

I feel Michael needs more time, and I will give him that, whatever people say about being tired and whatever else. Being here is your own choice.

[diggyon]

Is it wrong not to exprct a bam? Souza said we still have time till Oktober 2013. So may be, just may be, things might change until then!

[Dontwalkaway]

Andrea
Your comment reminded me of a Star Trek episode (showing my nerdiness here) called "Who Mourns for Adonais?" about a powerful alien claiming he is the Greek god Apollo and he holds members of the Enterprise captive to worship him.  I think that's interesting considering Star Trek predicted so much of the technology that we are currently using.  Also makes me think of the Mark Twain quote "Truth is stranger than fiction."  Here's a preview of that episode:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Mourns_for_Adonais%3F

Thanks for posting Andrea.  It seems like there are some elements of truth in these shows and movies.  What part is real, What part is fake ?  The line between science fiction and real is becoming cloudy.  I think the "truth" will be stranger than science fiction.  I think the big unveiling of the truth is coming.  The Apocalypse.   "All we have to do is reach for the truth".  I got that from the song "Cry". 

[ellyd]

I really don't get it why people are taking off like rockets on a "BAM now". Appears to be like a drug.

We have some lawsuits unclosed and we have some business deals unfinished.
It makes absolutely no sense that anybody should cease this tremendous endeavor untimely just because it's sentimental journey time.

Never ever has MJ interfered with official festivity dates.
He will not have others take any cream from his pie.

[Sarahli]

Honestly I don't see this thread as a competition about who Front likes the most. Not at all. TS gave us a deadline and redirected to at least 2 posts mentioning BAM in a clear manner so I guess it's only natural if some hoaxers are eager to "play the game" and try to find out when it is going to happen. If nothing happens well nothing happens. I believe it's all in God's Hands before all. It's obvious that there is a lot of excitement as more people have been posting, new members included. But I don't see it as a "competition" about who likes who, maybe a competition about who will get the BAM date right.  :LolLolLolLol: