Ever since I started getting involved in the hoax [spring of 2010], I've been hearing this all the time: "It's not about the BAM, it's all about LOVE. We shouldn't discuss the BAM, we should discuss the message and the purpose and the reasons of the hoax"; "we should learn to think for ourselves and NOT believe everything we hear, read, see" ---> which I have always 100% agreed with! That was the "training period" !! And I think it's safe to say [at least for me] that the "training period is over!
I've also heard like a thousand times: "We should be Michael's army of LOVE in real life too, not just on the forum" ---> and trust me people, I've been that even before Michael faked his death. I just don't like to talk about my charity deeds. And when someone dared to talk about attending a charity event, she was "wrist-slapped" for being "ridiculously OFF-topic" and sent to hoaxbook for "OFF-topic" subjects.
ANYWAY, my point is: ^^ We've done all that so far, over these 3+ years [we've "trained", we've discussed the reasons, purposes, message of the hoax], all the time being reminded that it's not the BAM that matters! WRONG! The BAM is the CULMINATION point of it all!
We are here, at approximately 22 days [more or less] distance from the BAM.
If we're not supposed to talk about the BAM now [when both TS & Front clearly mentioned BAM in their recent posts], then WHEN in the Lord's name are we supposed to TALK about it?? I mean I am counting the days of this last month!! Why not be able to savor these anticipation moments & the after-BAM times!!??
COME on people, leave aside the fear, the doubts, the frustrations and everything negative and allow yourselves to BE HAPPY !!
:michael-jackson: Here's a collection of TS posts about the RETURN & the BAM :moonwalk_:
Quote from: S.T.U.D.Y. / TSAll these clues, codes, and plans, were not merely so that MJ could go into permanent hiding; he could have done that without all this extra ingenuity. In fact, MJ has already shown that he can dodge the media and the public when he wants to: using doubles, and/or disguises, etc; so he really wouldn't need to hoax his death at all, merely to hide from the media and the public.
So if MJ is not in permanent hiding: then either he is actually dead—which doesn't fit with the [...] "coincidences" (as well as a lot of other evidence here on the MJHD website)—or else he is going to be coming back. And if he is coming back: how soon? [....]
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1-7. Why Would the "Return" Depend on Hoaxers?
Several have asked: why would the timing of the MJ return be dependent (at least partly) upon few thousand hoax believers, and their understanding/accepting the TIAI information? A simple answer is that the reaction of the few before the return, can be a pretty good indicator of the reaction of the many after the return {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1991}.
But think about it. After returning, MJ can speak publicly about the environment and other issues related to healing the world; but with some aspects, well I think you can figure things out. As soon as MJ returns, there will be a stampede on all the hoax forums; there will be tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, suddenly interested in what we have been investigating and saying all along. So if we hoax believers now are united on the reasons for the hoax: it will be much more effective when others come asking questions, than if we are all confused and disagreeing on the reasons for the hoax.
Here is how Mo put it: "It's a process to make people AWARE of what is going on. If you don't research, read, learn and understand, you won't become aware. If S.T.U.D.Y., TS or any Anonymous poster would have told you plain out who he/she is and where all the info he/she has came from, you would not have read the full explanation and wouldn't have learned anything. TIAI pointed out to conspiracies and NWO, and those issues were rejected by a lot of people until TIAI pointed out to them. Me? Guilty as charged... I skipped the 'Illuminati' threads as well until TIAI forced me to look into this whole issue. After researching it, and not reading up on the conspiracies and NWO only, a lot of things became clear to me." {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1936&start=75}
So if there are any questions or objections that I have not addressed in this thread, please post them in the replies below; and I will answer them directly right here in the replies (I will watch this thread pretty closely, for the next week or two, and respond to things as needed—so as to help clear the way as far as possible for a speedy "Return").
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4-15. MJ "Resurrection" Before "Return"
At this point, to understand what did and did not happen on 9-9-09, we need to recognize the difference between the MJ "resurrection" (on 9-9-09), and the MJ "return"—which is now in progress, and will be completed suddenly with the "bam!" (discussed much more below, see 4-39).
In TII, the remake of Thriller has a Black Widow spider pop up in the graveyard; and then afterward it comes out on stage. While on stage, MJ comes out of the spider; so we know that MJ is also represented as being inside the spider, even while it's still in the graveyard—the graveyard "resurrection" (9-9-09). But you can't see MJ yet, not until the later phase when the spider comes on stage; only after that, can people actually see him.
By the way: watch TII, and you will see that the death hoax film clip (Gilda remake), comes before the resurrection film clip (Thriller remake). Either this is yet another one of the almost infinite MJ "coincidences"; or else this sequence was planned, because you can't have a resurrection until after the death!
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4-39. Piece by Piece Return, Versus Bamsday
If you search through TIAI Revealed, Parts 1-9; and also TIAI Updates, #1 - #3, you will find that I repeatedly used the word "return", but only used the word "bam" about six times—and when I did use "bam", I was merely referring generally to the statement at the end of TII (but not discussing the meaning of "bam", when or what it is about, etc). Also, I never once use the term "bamsday" (not until this update).
Since this update is about timing, the time has come for me to discuss the "bam"; and also the differences between the "return" and the "bam". The "return" is a process, which can be short or long, depending on several factors; regardless of whether or not the return is short, the "bam" is very abrupt—and marks the end of the return process. The fact that "bam" is abrupt should be obvious—based on the word itself, based on MJ's usage of the word in context, and based on the audio and visual imagery that is very abrupt on Jack5ons "coming soon" website {http://www.5brothersenterprises.com/}.
The return, on the other hand, is not necessarily abrupt. There are a few things in TII which indicate that the return might not be abrupt. During Light Man, it says: "... and piece by piece by piece by piece [return process], MJ is revealed, until he jumps out [bam!], and on Michael's command, we begin." {TII DVD, Main Movie, text from subtitle; at 3:43}
In Staging the Return (as well as in the main movie), you can see a little of MJ before he comes out of the spider. "Then Michael was gonna come out and be revealed underneath the black widow." {TII DVD, Staging the Return, The Adventure Begins, text from subtitle; at 19:50}.
And the bam statement itself is very clear: "Let me bathe in my own time when I come back in. I'm gonna button my shirt or jacket or whatever it is. I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!" {TII DVD, Main Movie, text from subtitle; at 1:49:45}
Do you feel like MJ has been "playing with them" recently? If so, it means we are in the return process. You see, the return is when things go beyond just clues for hoax believers; it is when the public sees things that just don't add up with the official story. Since MJ is in control: he could have several pieces revealed all in one day; or he could slow the process down, and do it over a longer period of time (until people start getting it)—in either case, the return would end with the bam (the final and ultimate revelation that MJ is alive).
Has a gradual return processes started? We may not all agree exactly when, but I think we can agree that many such things have happened in the last month or two: no RIP at the Grammy's; Jermaine's "airport" slip-up; Brian Oxman saying 99.9% the ambulance photo is fake; tabloid magazine publishing that MJ is alive, because the autopsy report doesn't add up; and TMZ publishing MJHD.net website right there on their front page!
Yes, these and other things in the last month or two are more than just clues for hoax believers; they are all things which could easily cause the public to start questioning the MJ death. And keep watching for more such events; we should see them coming more and more, now that we are in the return process {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=97}.
But if you go back before January, things like these were rare if ever, because we were not in the return phase yet until January. In fact, the JACK5ONS tweet on January 18: "ur eyes don't lie - media does"—this was obviously referring to the circumstances around MJ's death; so that should've caused some of the public (non-hoax believers) to question the official media story. And in fact, this was the first time any of the Jacksons had referred to the hoax publicly {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965&p=61068#p61068; see also http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7155}. What better time to mark the beginning of the return, than the Jacksons first public reference to the hoax?
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4-41. Bam: Not If, But When
Some were troubled by the redirect to a YouTube video, titled "Michael Jackson death hoax: What is his message?" {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAxTYemoQM; and see this thread
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028} Please remember first of all, that the redirects point to information already out there on the internet; the information is not created by TIAI, so there may be a few minor things included that are not the reason for the redirect.
This redirect was intended to emphasize the need for us all to have more LOVE in our lives—not just a word, not just a four-letter acronym (L.O.V.E.), but the real thing. This redirect was done in the context of Valentine's Day (though about a week later); and the purpose again was to emphasize LOVE, not to minimize the importance of the return and bamsday. Nothing in that video said bamsday would never come, or that bamsday is pointless and unnecessary.
The video indicated that maybe our lack of LOVE could delay MJ; and if so, emphasizing the LOVE message would not delay the bam or make it less important—rather, it would help speed it up, which we all want because the bam is important!
And speaking of bamsday, notice that bam statement once again: "I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!" Especially in a musical context like this, "snap my fingers" can only be referring to timing! Can you think of anything that has happened recently, about the hoax timing??? Then the next thing in that statement, after snapping his fingers, is the bam!
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