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[Love4MJ]

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[Sarahli]

@ _Anna_ I believe I have been quite clear that I am a non-beLIEver from the beginning. That does not mean I am not open to circumstance changing. However I have yet to see any compelling evidence to change my faith, belief or view. What I have been able to observe is how unwelcoming and not so nice some have been towards me. There are many Michael Jackson forums that I visit. Some I observe and others I participate.  Apparently its clear that some dont want to be encouraged if they are beginning to doubt (or from my perspective -- see the light). When you or anyone begins to lose faith you would rather others come running and prop you back up to your comfortable ways of thinking about the hoax and that MJ is alive. Instead I've been told to go away because my views are different. I welcome everyone's views. Only bullies try to run people off and make them feel unwelcomed. Now I know how Michael felt.

Blessings to all.

Okay.

Constructive discussion is welcome but to come in and say that you have already seen the “light” and the beLIEvers have not is a bit condescending to say the least and not being “open-minded”. I have read some of your posts and I have seen nothing in them allowing me to believe that you are open "to circumstance changing" like you put it. Sorry.

This is a Hoax Forum, not a Fan Forum. Some members are “fans”, others are not, simply beLIEvers.

To say that “some don’t want to be encouraged when they doubt” is a contradiction in terms. As far as I can see you are firm in your (dis)belief and stated as FACT that Michael was dead in another thread.

To “encourage” people to doubt when their faith is weakening seems not so “nice”, and it appears that this is the only agenda you have to post.

You don’t know how Michael “felt”. I can’t see him infiltrating forums and stirring up doubts amongst people and then wondering why he is not being welcomed with open arms.

[CC]

Ambulance picture = FAKE
paramedics = OLD BOLD GUY


Somebody saw MJ dead??? someone other than latoya?


BTW... MJ... is still dead...


he will be back soon, KEEP THE FAITH!!!


Love you all!!


 respect/

[GINAFELICIA]

@ _Anna_ I believe I have been quite clear that I am a non-beLIEver from the beginning. That does not mean I am not open to circumstance changing. However I have yet to see any compelling evidence to change my faith, belief or view. What I have been able to observe is how unwelcoming and not so nice some have been towards me. There are many Michael Jackson forums that I visit. Some I observe and others I participate.  Apparently its clear that some dont want to be encouraged if they are beginning to doubt (or from my perspective -- see the light). When you or anyone begins to lose faith you would rather others come running and prop you back up to your comfortable ways of thinking about the hoax and that MJ is alive. Instead I've been told to go away because my views are different. I welcome everyone's views. Only bullies try to run people off and make them feel unwelcomed. Now I know how Michael felt.

Blessings to all.

Don't you understand there's nothing you can do here?
Even if some of us doubt, we are NOT the people to be told what/how to think/fell or to be encouraged to go in a direction or another.
You honestly think that after enduring so much bashing from non believers we will ever accept their "compassion" ? Even if let's say finally they will be proved right (God forbid bow/ ).

I don't want/need it in any way or form, not now, not never.

Again I'm not trying to do anything really.  Observing mostly. Please dont let that bother you. Frustration is when you cant decide what is real and what is not. When that happens people get angry and lash out. Understood.

Of course I get angry. Just tell the truth damn it. Why do you come here? Don't you realize it's you who makes things confuse?

Tired of these games.

[_Anna_]

Ok...  no Love4MJ type of tabloid employee trying to work "undercover" posing in "just" and observing  non-believer can make people doubt. This is not a reason to get confused. Other things might put you in doubt, as I already stated in my previous post addressed to Front,  but not this crappy behaviour. Tabloids are better to be ignored. This gets on their nerves and empties their pockets.

If they want to be here, losing their time that's cool. It's their time and not mine. I just don't want them kissing my ass. That doesn't work for me and either I need them to tell me I'm on the right path or not and desperatelly trying to drag me on their pathetic side. It didn't work in any aspect of my life and it won't work on this situation either.

Yes, I have my doubts... at this point. But not because of the non-believers and "fake fans" (undercover tabloid affiliates). I already said what I feel right now.

[Love4MJ]

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[use_your_illusion]

Not a tabloid or a fake fan. Sorry that so many feathers are getting ruffled. It is clear that you only want to have like minded people around so you will not challenge your thinking. Got it. I will keep observing. Thank you. I believe Souza said that all are welcome.

 bearhug

You are welcome its just that most (not saying you), but most non believers that come on here, come here only to attack...

So Love4MJ, why do you think MJ is dead..what are your 5 main strong points?

[scorpionchik]

I think guys we should calm down and take it easy. There is nothing we can change if MJ is dead. I have a hard time to believe though that Michael is dead. However, we would be appreciated Front if he/she tells us what is this whole hoax about, instead of giving hope and leaving us in exhausting waiting status.
As far as I got so far, the hoax should expose PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO KILL MICHAEL. FOR THAT REASON, THE CHARGES SHOULD CHANGE TO HOMICIDE. IF IT DOES NOT CHANGE AND CM GETS ONLY 4 YEARS FOR INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, RIGHT THERE MICHAEL NEEDS TO "RESURRECT" AND SAY: "HEY MOTHER FUCKERS, THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY TO KILL ME FOR THIS AND THAT REASONS, DON'T YOU GET IT OR YOU DON'T WANT TO GET IT? THEN PROVIDE HIS EVIDENCE.
Other than that, I don't think Michael will be back.

[fatalkiss26]

CM is going to be found not guilty. The lesson is, back in 2005, they tried to convict an innocent man by saying Michael was a pedophile. There was never enough evidence. 4 YEARS? CM will never serve 4 years. The most I think he'll get IF he's convicted is probation. We haven't heard the defense side yet.
Right now, there aren't many credible witnesses for the prosecution except Dr Steinberg, thats it.


We will have to wait and see what pans out....but I'm making my prediction now...CM is found NOT GUILTY.

[Sarahli]

And from the KINGdom, came these whispers…..


Seek the answers in the darkness. Do not be afraid to venture into hidden shadows, for you will SEE the unmistakable LIGHT surrounding the "madness" of your scope. Bolster your foothold and hone your vision while walking the path of wisdom---and soon you shall SEE, every corner, crevice, fissure...with CLARITY.


Do not become encumbered by ASSumptions from others who cast mere words upon the KNOWERS without irrefutable evidence to support their "certainties". It's no better than reading a tabloid….."Well, I read it in so-and-so, so it MUST be true!" This board alone (not to mention everything outside of this forum pertaining to the Family, knowers & MJ himself) has brought forth THOUSANDS--literally!--of VITAL pieces of the puzzle.


Believing and knowing are 2 different things. Do not digress from what's been learned in the past 2 years and allow implausible innuendos from people who "saw it on tv, so it must be true" to infiltrate what you already KNOW. Obviously, if they TRULY believed their own words beyond a shadow of doubt, they would not be spending time on a hoax board. I am of the opinion that a TRUE fan would not have a heart so cold as to invade a board that supports Michael Jackson---and his reasons for hoaxing his death!---would be here simply for the "fun" of distracting and tormenting the fans that support him. So, let's chalk it up to----> they too have fallen victim to the media; they have failed to read between the lines that Mr. Jackson has/is/and will continue to provide.


Many of you get annoyed when nonbeLIEvers come here questioning your faith and knowledge. Don't be. Instead, thank them for contributing to the quest to look beyond and prove them wrong. Thank them for playing their "role" in the journey; their doubt has motivated beLIEvers to re-examine the facts and reinforce what's already known. The palpable irresolution in their empty words reflect their OWN doubt…a cry for help perhaps. Continue to show compassion & support by helping them to think outside the box. There is a PLETHORA of information right in front of their eyes…..perhaps they are just not ready to SEE yet.


GREATNESS is produced when one goes against the grain--even when the rest of the world is ridiculing them. When everything that's been learned in the past 2 years is closely re-examined, there is absolutely no room for doubt. It's CLEAR!!! Some beLIEvers feel ridiculed by nonbeLIEvers --- who have sadly been walking along a convoluted path with their eyes shut for the past 2 years. It's THEIR choice. The CLUES are there. The "MISTAKES" are there. The EVIDENCE is there---wrapped up in an enigma of Genius, Mystery & Magic!


p.s. Front is of the STRONG opinion that the KINGdom never wanted this "Great Divide"--it was inevitable--- I assure you, Michael would NOT WANT this! however, this too shall be righted in tIME…….


Keep The Faith!

Thank you Front for the whispers. 

Seek the answers in the DARKNESS....

We are still in the dark because the trial is not over and there are yet many pieces of the puzzle that we need to construct the WHOLE picture.

Do not be afraid to venture into hidden shadows.

The truth is hidden under layers of shadowy “illusions”, and although some of those shadows may induce fear, we must have the courage to walk through the dark tunnel to the other side.

See the unmistakable LIGHT surrounding the “madness” of your scope

As yet our scope or vision is limited and many things appear to be maddening  or create a sense of “madness”.

Bolster your foothold and hone your vision while walking the path of wisdom---

This is not the time to falter. As our eyes become accustomed to the darkness, we begin to see the light that was not visible at first if we give it some time. It is then that wisdom comes to us and guides us.

and soon you shall SEE, every corner, crevice, fissure...with CLARITY.

If we follow the path of wisdom, we will soon be able to view all details with a sense of clarity.

We continue to see examples of this:

I am of the opinion that a TRUE fan would not have a heart so cold as to invade a board that supports Michael Jackson---and his reasons for hoaxing his death!---would be here simply for the "fun" of distracting and tormenting the fans that support him. So, let's chalk it up to----> they too have fallen victim to the media; they have failed to read between the lines that Mr. Jackson has/is/and will continue to provide.

Yes, the EVIDENCE is there for those who WANT and desire the truth.

When everything that's been learned in the past 2 years is closely re-examined, there is absolutely no room for doubt. It's CLEAR!!! Some beLIEvers feel ridiculed by nonbeLIEvers --- who have sadly been walking along a convoluted path with their eyes shut for the past 2 years. It's THEIR choice. The CLUES are there.

We may need to look back in order to ascertain once again what we've considered clear at one point. By doing so there is no room for doubt left. Each step/level we reach makes the path easier to be walked in, even though still dark. Outer interferences have no power over our strong faith at this point.

The EVIDENCE is there---wrapped up in an enigma of Genius, Mystery & [blink]Magic[/blink]!

 moonwalk_/

[scorpionchik]

CM is going to be found not guilty. The lesson is, back in 2005, they tried to convict an innocent man by saying Michael was a pedophile. There was never enough evidence. 4 YEARS? CM will never serve 4 years. The most I think he'll get IF he's convicted is probation. We haven't heard the defense side yet.
Right now, there aren't many credible witnesses for the prosecution except Dr Steinberg, thats it.


We will have to wait and see what pans out....but I'm making my prediction now...CM is found NOT GUILTY.

Whether CM convected or not, has nothing to do with 2005. Forget about it, it is a closed deal. MJ was found not guilty, he did not prosecute Snnedon back then, he will not get revenge of Snnedon from Conrad. I don't get sometimes how people think.
CM will be convicted for manslaughter, whereas he should be charged with homicide.
The hoax is about people who wanted Michael down, a large group of murderers.

[CC]

You and I were never separate
It's just an illusion
Wrought by the magical lens of
Perception
There is only one Wholeness
Only one Mind
We are like ripples
In the vast Ocean of Consciousness
~From "Heaven is Here," "Dancing the Dream," by Michael Jackson

[Mish1981]

Not a tabloid or a fake fan. Sorry that so many feathers are getting ruffled. It is clear that you only want to have like minded people around so you will not challenge your thinking. Got it. I will keep observing. Thank you. I believe Souza said that all are welcome.

 bearhug

You are welcome its just that most (not saying you), but most non believers that come on here, come here only to attack...

So Love4MJ, why do you think MJ is dead..what are your 5 main strong points?

I like where you are going with this UYI, for a long time we've had non-believers come in stating that we are in the wrong and basically need to wake up and see the light. With nothing to back their statement it seems they just come in to stir the pot and get every one discouraged causing a frenzy in our forum. I for one would be very interested in having a non-believer debunk everything that we have concluded to. I think it would be nice to bounce things back and fourth, who knows something could be learned for one or both parties. I think non-believers might be able to see things with fresh eyes that we can't because of our mind frame. I'm willing to give it a whirl. I of course would like to see this happen in a peaceful manner without anyone putting someone else down, degrading their thoughts and without unnecessary bickering.

[PureLove]

And from the KINGdom, came these whispers…..


Seek the answers in the darkness. Do not be afraid to venture into hidden shadows, for you will SEE the unmistakable LIGHT surrounding the "madness" of your scope. Bolster your foothold and hone your vision while walking the path of wisdom---and soon you shall SEE, every corner, crevice, fissure...with CLARITY.

Believers are strong. We passed too many obstacles and we need to keep on walking through the light. I can see the light clearly and the one who is holding the light. That is our King! I'll keep on walking through him. Now, if you have a heart strong enough, stay with me and with the other strong soldiers of Michael's army but if you're too afraid to get hurt at the end, if you are not strong enough to keep going, leave us and everything related to the King behind. This must be the end of the road for you. Farewell to the ones who want to quit and Greetings to the ones who are still following the light. We will meet the King , he is waiting for us. Believe and Trust Michael! LONG LIVE THE KING!

Do not become encumbered by ASSumptions from others who cast mere words upon the KNOWERS without irrefutable evidence to support their "certainties". It's no better than reading a tabloid….."Well, I read it in so-and-so, so it MUST be true!" This board alone (not to mention everything outside of this forum pertaining to the Family, knowers & MJ himself) has brought forth THOUSANDS--literally!--of VITAL pieces of the puzzle.


Believing and knowing are 2 different things. Do not digress from what's been learned in the past 2 years and allow implausible innuendos from people who "saw it on tv, so it must be true" to infiltrate what you already KNOW. Obviously, if they TRULY believed their own words beyond a shadow of doubt, they would not be spending time on a hoax board. I am of the opinion that a TRUE fan would not have a heart so cold as to invade a board that supports Michael Jackson---and his reasons for hoaxing his death!---would be here simply for the "fun" of distracting and tormenting the fans that support him. So, let's chalk it up to----> they too have fallen victim to the media; they have failed to read between the lines that Mr. Jackson has/is/and will continue to provide.


Many of you get annoyed when nonbeLIEvers come here questioning your faith and knowledge. Don't be. Instead, thank them for contributing to the quest to look beyond and prove them wrong. Thank them for playing their "role" in the journey; their doubt has motivated beLIEvers to re-examine the facts and reinforce what's already known. The palpable irresolution in their empty words reflect their OWN doubt…a cry for help perhaps. Continue to show compassion & support by helping them to think outside the box. There is a PLETHORA of information right in front of their eyes…..perhaps they are just not ready to SEE yet.


GREATNESS is produced when one goes against the grain--even when the rest of the world is ridiculing them. When everything that's been learned in the past 2 years is closely re-examined, there is absolutely no room for doubt. It's CLEAR!!! Some beLIEvers feel ridiculed by nonbeLIEvers --- who have sadly been walking along a convoluted path with their eyes shut for the past 2 years. It's THEIR choice. The CLUES are there. The "MISTAKES" are there. The EVIDENCE is there---wrapped up in an enigma of Genius, Mystery & Magic!


p.s. Front is of the STRONG opinion that the KINGdom never wanted this "Great Divide"--it was inevitable--- I assure you, Michael would NOT WANT this! however, this too shall be righted in tIME…….


Keep The Faith!

My sweet Front Sign,

First off I would like to  bow/ in FRONT of you for this breathtaking post. To me, your posts are bullet proof evidence that Michael is alive. I really do not understand how people still do not believe your legitimacy and again I do not understand if the situation could be explained better. Thank you.

Michael gave all evidences to let his fans know about the hoax. Did someone help us to become believers? No one helped me. I saw the inconsistencies and all weirdness and started to dig deeper like all other believers did. Do I blame non-believers for not finding the oddities we found and saw? Yes, absolutely. Because they were there like a bright crystal. Michael planned this hoax for decades and so perfectly and he gave and is still giving amazing clues that shouldn't leave any doubts and questions marks in our heads. It's just in front of people and all they need to do is to think out of the box, and start to see with their hearts. No one can force them or convince them that Michael is alive if they haven't seen the LIGHT till now. I am open to all ideas and opinions and I have no problem with non-believer fans but the ones who have been on this forum till today only came here to ridicule us and to tell us to stop believing and start mourning. Love4MJ is just an example of it. She's been reading the forum and like you wrote, the evidence is here, right in FRONT of her but all I see in her posts is, she is trying to discourage believers and make them believe Michael is dead and asking them to start mourning. What can I do to make her start seeing the truth when the truth is just right here? It is her choice. It is non-believers' choice. But like you said, we should thank them for playing their roles as well. The hoax wouldn't be the same without them.

I would like you to know that this Knower will walk all the way with you, with the help of your guidance.

And finally, I would like to share this beautiful poem with everyone.

Believe

Believe in Love
Believe in Faith
Believe in Truth
Believe that no matter what happens, you have the power to prevail

Believe in Strength
Believe in Courage
Believe in Honor
Believe that everyone has the power to be good at heart

Believe in Song
Believe in Dance
Believe in Culture
Believe that no matter who you are or where you’re from- everyone is unique

Believe in things you never would
Believe in doing things you never could
Believe in achievement
Believe that if you think you can, you can- but if you think you can’t, you won’t.

Believe in the damned
Believe in the degenerate
Believe in the corrupted
Believe that evil does exist in many forms, but all can be overcome

Believe in spiritual
Believe in holy
Believe in sacred
Believe that your personal values can never be taken from you

Believe in mad
Believe in depressed
Believe in suicidal
Believe that one smile can save a life

Believe in magic
Believe in hope
Believe in dreams
Believe that the unbelievable happens everyday

Believe in time
Believe in forever
Believe in YOU
Believe that as long as you believe in yourself- anything is possible

[Mish1981]

@Purelove - Thank you so much for the poem!

Earlier up in this thread I mentioned my thought of non-believers in the forum, so I won't go into grand detail here. I will say that I do think that there is a common ground that can be found if parties are willing to work at it a little.