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[PureLove]

@scorpionchick and wishingstar
Thanks!
I double checked, and I'm still getting 861 days from Feb 3 2003 to June 13 2005 (I used the site below to check calculations I did manually) Remember, I don't count the first day, so my #1 is Feb 4, #2 is Feb 5 etc, ending w/ June 13 as #861.
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Good, then u got very solid point. And the sign language  MJ speaks in the video also would be very helpful to find out. I found website of sign language alphabet can help us to understand MJ  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If I'm not wrong it was discussed about what he was saying with the sign language at the end part of TII. And it was said that he was saying "I'm going to show myself to you again" or "I'm going to show myself to the world". I remember this about TII if I'm not wrong. We should check the link you gave for TDCAU.

[JustDucky]

@scorpionchick
 
This sign language link is great! Maybe I'll finally understand that part of TDCAU. He's so fast, tho' - gives me an excuse to watch him over and over and over....
 
@PureLove
 
I think you're right about TII, I've heard similar translations of those gestures.
 

[scorpionchik]

@scorpionchick
 
This sign language link is great! Maybe I'll finally understand that part of TDCAU. He's so fast, tho' - gives me an excuse to watch him over and over and over....

I am sure u will share when u get what Michael says. I will try myself but not sure if I have got enough patience.

[Im_convincedmjalive]

@MJonmind-Thank you for noticing the videos and speaking out. There is more than one way to interpret Front's meaning of "a different kind of "BAM"--- to Be Aware the Most".  It could also apply not just to the numbers presented here about MJ's hoax but to Be Aware the Most of our world.
Front on July 15, 2011, 05:17:24 PM

Instead, perhaps it should be said that THOSE dates give meaning to a different kind of "BAM"--- to Be Aware the Most. Capiche?

@Sarahli-I took a look at what you posted and thank you for sharing that and your thoughts. I will not or can not say whether your interpretation is right or wrong of Front's words meaning to connect to MJ's art or the statue. I say this because Front also has said "how each individual chooses to interpret them is entirely up to said individual(s)".
Front on June 10, 2011, 11:08:45 AM

Perspective, I shall not jest, is the REAL acid test. Re: 06/25/09 post…interpretation is KEY. Stated a million times and a million times again…do not take my words (here or elsewhere) as conclusive "evidence". The proof will manifest itself in TIME. They are merely words---how each individual chooses to interpret them is entirely up to said individual(s).

@_Anna_- Front could easily mean Expand your horizons: is to be looking and learning about other things outside of your own personal world. There is also a saying that goes "You really need to broaden your horizions." Usually that is said to people who are either niave about the world or single minded about things. It is when someone has tunnle vision and can only see one thing and they are not open minded or they can't see past their own world and have feelings about other things going on in the world.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG6_0znW2Y[/youtube]

Uploaded by williamwagener on Aug 14, 2011
A Orange County homeless man , Kelly Thomas, was beat to death, died a few days later from trauma in hospital, Beaten by Fullerton Police.

I found out about this on August 16th and this goes to show that police brutality isn't focused solely on blacks. There is lots of videos related to this incident, eyewitness testimonies.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4[/youtube]

Uploaded by TheDirtyNews on Jan 5, 2009
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Oscar Grant Support Page
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OAKLAND — A BART police officer struggling to handcuff a 22-year-old man, stood up over the facedown Hayward resident and fired a single shot into his back while a handful of officers watched, a video taken by a train passenger apparently shows.

I have known about all of this (see related videos below) since it happened.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBxxBxUyl28[/youtube]

Uploaded by mrdaveyd on Jan 9, 2009
Bay Area Hip Hop artists Sellessie, Tarik of Arab Summit and Mister FAB talk about the police shooting of Oscar Grant and the killings going on in the Gaza strip in palestine. Mister Fab asks why the big urban radio stations that play Hip Hop are not present at this rally?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lspp0eW3bls[/youtube]

Uploaded by jessemeeker on Jul 10, 2010
July 8, 2010 - A protest was held on Broadway st, in downtown Oakland to speak out against killer cop, Johannes Mehserle's un-fair verdict, "involuntary manslaughter" for the video taped killing of un-armed 22 year old black man, Oscar Grant.

This video documents the people at the protest, and the rise of energy in the crowd - the first out-break in violent and destructive activity [ busting into the foot locker store ] video by Jesse Meeker

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAt_jQBfYBg&feature=fvst[/youtube]

Uploaded by ddarko2012 on Jul 9, 2010
A jury has convicted a white former transit officer of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of an unarmed black man on an Oakland train platform. Johannes Mehserle was found guilty on Thursday in the New Year's Day 2009 killing of 22-year-old Oscar Grant. Involuntary manslaughter carries a sentence of two to four years. As the verdict reached the streets, scores of people were arrested in Oakland riots as police tried to wrest control of downtown from looters angry about the BART verdict earlier in the day.
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The Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer who fatally shot an unarmed man on a train platform early New Year's Day has resigned. Protestors filled the streets after Oscar Grant was shot and killed when he was lying face-down on the platform. (Jan. 7)

Warning! Very graphic!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZCHvthn9eI&feature=related[/youtube]

Uploaded by alielbaryeshua on Jul 18, 2011
Cops idley watch their helpless victim as he quickly bleeds to death on the sidewalk. Apparently, San Francisco's finest dont like it when people abuse public transportation.

Copyright: WorldStarHipHop.Com

I had found out about this not to long ago and posted it on my twitter but, how many pay attention?

Yesterday morning a car accident happened in front of my apartment. A black lady and her 4 year old son crashed hard into my neighbors parked car. The neighbor wasn't in the car. The color of the people in the accident didn't matter and shouldn't matter when it comes to making sure they are ok. First thing I did was to make sure the boy was alright as well as his mother.

[suspicious mind]

is this what we want to look at?

[JustDucky]

@suspiciousmind
Yes, that's the part of TDCAU I'm trying to understand - but he's so fast!
 

[2 Bad]

Since "things are happening all over" (paraphrased Front) I've had  a day or two of  afraid/ . First off I started reading a book called "Witch & Wizard" by James Patterson. This book could have been written by Michael. It's about a future world run and controlled by "The One Who Is The One" a New Order that denies music, singing and art of any kind, among other things. The target of "The One" is also children.
This makes me think of how powerful music and the artists are over the general population and how we loose artists because of their influence on people. Now Michael probably was aware of the "who" or "what" and he points this out in many of his songs and films.
I just thought this book was an MJ moment for me and I thought I'd pass it on.  michael-jackson/


Very interesting about the sign language! Thank you Just Ducky.
I hear Arnold S. (Terminator) saying.... "I'll be back"  :lol:
There are plenty of good posts here, thanks for all the reading.
 bearhug

[MichaelsAngel]

I tried to look up the sign language and I found other people discussing it.
One person said:

The first part of the Sign Language is "never" but then he spells something sideways and said "you". In ASL that would mean he said "You never ...." I am still working on the interpretation. But keep in mind that LS sign is different than NY. It depends on where he learned it from.

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And then a lot of people said that they asked their deaf friends who said that they could make out the words: "we," "grow," and "God" but that it was even hard for them to tell what he is saying

[scorpionchik]

is this what we want to look at?

Michael probably swearing with sign language.  :lol:  He is so mad.....and sexy
Could that be just a gesture or part of dance move not meaning anything?

[MichaelsAngel]

Here is also another answer from someone on Yahoo:

"On Youtube I found a comment on it:

The hand gesture means f-off, and then he says "never think you will beat me"?.

The vid with that comment is here:

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[~Souza~]

Here is also another answer from someone on Yahoo:

"On Youtube I found a comment on it:

The hand gesture means f-off, and then he says "never think you will beat me"?.

The vid with that comment is here:

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Link doesn't work.

[MichaelsAngel]

Oops sorry...try this link:

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wak_ks4x4w[/youtube]

and the person who said it is eastwemyss (the third from the bottom of the page)

I don't know how truthful their comment is but at least it might give some idea

[MJonmind]

Here is also another answer from someone on Yahoo:

"On Youtube I found a comment on it:

The hand gesture means f-off, and then he says "never think you will beat me"?.

The vid with that comment is here:

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This would seem to match what he's singing and his anger. He is such a fearless fighter against the biggest enemies.  I also found what MichaelsAngel posted before this one, so perhaps there's still more to it.

While looking I found this:
Two weeks ago Michael Jackson made requests for his comeback concert – he wanted a choir full of sign language children from a variety of ethnic backgrounds for his concerts in London next month. Michael Jackson wanted every child to know sign language and they should be in the age of 5 to 13 years. His request was sent to casting agents on behalf of promoters AEG Live, who were organising his 50 concerts
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[Le Papillon Bleu]

is this what we want to look at?

I think he means "F... You" (?)

[Sarahli]

Thank you Im_convincedmjalive ... I guess that time will tell.