Official back & Front thread

[MJonmind]

Thanks Im_convincedmjalive for posting both the TDRCAU and Rodney King videos together. I enjoyed watching them back to back! It breaks my heart that the vast majority of people only think of MJ through the media's lies, and have no knowledge of his explosive songs/videos for social justice. Only about 23 millions hits, and yet some silly/cute videos about nothing at all can climb to millions of hits overnight.  Katy Perry has passed one of MJ's records, and she's a great singer/performer, but absolutely nothing on MJ's scale of significance. But maybe people don't want anything heavy, just light fluff to listen to. IDK  Back and Front seem to focus on the injustice in the life of MJ, but this injustice is really a microcosm of the injustice experienced by the mistreated all around the world by TPTB. So not only will this death hoax and BAM bring truth and victory to Michael's situation, but to the world on a larger scale, in the process. MJ literally suffered all this false child-abuse allegation, because of his profound active love for hurting children/people around the world. The enemy was furious/envious.  There may/will be a major battle ahead, as well as entertainment. Doesn't every good movie have that? Of course there will be moments of comic relief too, MJ can't help put some in, just to calm us a little while we sit on the edge of our seats! This is REALITY TV internet at its finest. This is REAL and happening before our eyes! afraid/ errrr :cry: :lol: mj_dance/

[_Anna_]

errrr
The calm before the storm................
:twisted:

There's PLENTY being said---and done. Just because the facts are not presented in writing on a public forum and/or contained WITHIN this thread ALONE, does not mean that the ball ain't rollin'!!!Comprende? At least un porquito, mis amigos?  :mrgreen:

Think outside it!
< < < e. x. p. a. n. d. > > > your horizons
The "chef" will not flip the bamcakes until they are ready.
Ugh. I mean pancakes.  :lol:    :? ;)

You say there's plenty said and done even if it's not made public. Maybe you can help us understand a bit what you are refering to.
"< < < e. x. p. a. n. d. > > > your horizons"

It's the second time you tell us this. A little help?

[Sarahli]

So did anyone see any connection from what I posted about Front's post and the recently revealed artwork? I thought it was interesting because Front said this a while back......

"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold...like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally extinguished...but never forgotten. Those flames are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits."

......and then the monument mockup was revealed yesterday showing Michael "emblazoned in gold"..... "bigger" (because it's a HUGE monument - look how tiny the mockup people are! LOL).... and Front said "the flames are the heart of the passionate inferno"....... could he be talking about married couples/flames of passion? This monument was to be a place where his fans could get married, according to the article.

I already posted a picture of the monument and a link with the entire article in a previous post, if you're interested. What do you guys think?

[GINAFELICIA]

"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold...like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally extinguished...but never forgotten. Those flames are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits."

If there are not random words written down only because they sound interesting - then they have to have a meaning.

Unfortunately I seem to fail to understand what you are talking about here Front.

The sun will rise again can only mean that Michael will come back and take over. The beacon comparison seems to mean that MJ is the shadow now, temporarly.

But those flames - what flames are you talking about? The flames in the sun? Sorry if I sound stupid.

The inferno of resurgence is about  what MJ will have to go through after he comes back?

Or what we all shall go through?

Sorry...I don't understand.

[MJhunny]

It was the feet being black(blue) and that was contained in a media report. At the time it was alleged that this was typical of death by drug overdose.

It's a symbol for Blue Suede Shoes (Elvis).

talk about a blue suede clue! :lol:

now for some viva las vengeance! mj_bad/

[paula-c]

"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold...like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally extinguished...but never forgotten. Those flames are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits."

If there are not random words written down only because they sound interesting - then they have to have a meaning.

Unfortunately I seem to fail to understand what you are talking about here Front.

The sun will rise again can only mean that Michael will come back and take over. The beacon comparison seems to mean that MJ is the shadow now, temporarly.

But those flames - what flames are you talking about? The flames in the sun? Sorry if I sound stupid.

The inferno of resurgence is about  what MJ will have to go through after he comes back?

Or what we all shall go through?

Sorry...I don't understand.

This quote reminds me of the metaphor of the sun of Platon

The myth or allegory of the cave
The Allegory of the cave is a metaphoric explanation made by Plato in the seventh book of the Republic, of the situation of the human being with regard to knowledge. Thus Plato explains his theory of the existence of two worlds: the sensible world (known through the senses) and the world of ideas (only reachable through reason).
Plato described in the myth of the cave a cavernous cave, which remain from the birth made men prisoners for chains holding the neck and legs, so that they can only look toward the bottom of the cavern wall and they cannot escape. Just behind them, a wall is with a hallway, and then and in order of distance for men, a bonfire and the entrance of the cave that gives the world, to the nature. Down the aisle of the wall there are men whose shadows, thanks to the lighting of the bonfire, are projected on the wall that the prisoners can see.
In this myth, the human being is identified as prisoners. Shadows of men and things that project, are the appearances, in other words, what we perceive through the senses and think that it is real (sensitive region). Natural things, the world is out of the cave and that prisoners do not see, are the world of ideas, in which the top idea, the idea of good, is the Sun. One of the prisoners manages to break free of his bonds and get out of the cave so knowing the real world. This already released prisoner is who must guide others towards the real world, it is the symbol of the philosopher.
The situation of prisoners in the cave represents the State in which remain human beings outside the knowledge; only those able to overcome the pain it would release the string and return to move its reengineered muscles, can contemplate the world of ideas with its underutilised eyes.
This type of allegory, in which reveals how humans can mislead us or ourselves or forced by the powers that be, is repeated throughout history by many philosophers or other authors as Calderón de la Barca with life's dream. More modern examples may be the book brave new world (Huxley, 1932) or the trilogy Matrix (especially the first).
One could argue that the strange and beautiful myth of the cave is concentrated deep in his thoughts. The myth, making use of images with a strong descriptive shows plurality of aspects of his thought: the vision of human nature, the theory of ideas, the painful process whereby humans came to the knowledge, etc. The myth, full of sublime metaphors and open to diversity of interpretations, is permanent source of inspiration for artists and thinkers in general.
In the myth, Plato tells the existence of some captive males since its birth in the interior of a dark cave. Prisoners of the dark shadows of the underground dwellings; In addition, tied legs and neck, so they must look always forward due to the chains without never rotate the head. The light that illuminates the antrum emanates from a lit fire behind them, high and distant.
Arrived here, by the mouth of Socrates, Plato tells us that we imagine between fire and the chained an elevated path along which a wall has been built, on this road go about men that carry all kinds of figures that exceeded them, some with human form and other animal-shaped; these walkers that carry statues sometimes spoken and sometimes silent. The captives with stationary heads have not seen anything more than the shadows projected by the fire at the bottom of the cave - like a cinema screen in which passing shadows Chinese - and come to believe, devoid of a different upbringing, that what they see are shadows, but real objects, the same reality.
In these, Glaucon, the partner of Socrates, says that it is absolutely convinced that the chained cannot be regarded as genuine anything other than the shadows of objects. Due to the obnubilación of the senses and mental obfuscation are doomed to by real each and every false things. After Socrates has been proven that Glaucon has understood the situation, he explains that if one of these captives were released and come out to the outside world would have serious difficulties in adapting to the dazzling light of the Sun; from the outset, by not being blinded, seek the shadows and things reflected in the water; later and gradually it was to look at the objects themselves and, finally, discover all the beauty of the cosmos. Astonished, would realize that can see things clearly, appreciate with all the splendor of his figures and polychrome wealth

http://www.taringa.net/posts/apuntes-y-monografias/1321091/Platon-y-su-Filosofia.html

[_Anna_]

"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold...like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally extinguished...but never forgotten. Those flames are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits."

I take his words having the meaning:

"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter"- Michael will reveal himself and he will be then bigger and brighter than he was before, "like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally extinguished" by all the harm they did to him and all he had to go through, how they tried over and over again to destroy his image and in a way they succeeded - because many people were too lazy to digg deeper, behind the garbage and see with their eyes that the man they crucify is INNOCENT.
"Those flames are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits."- this flame/light is his deepest wish to fulfill his vision, and this vision is the deepest desire he has for the "resurgence that awaits" - which would mean the new life he will have from his comeback forward.

That's how I understand Front's message. I wish with all my heart this all is true

[Sarahli]

"The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold...like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally extinguished...but never forgotten. Those flames are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits."

If there are not random words written down only because they sound interesting - then they have to have a meaning.

Yes exactly Gina, this is what I think as well...they must have a meaning. That's why I thought that this statue of Michael in gold could represent what Front is telling us. I also think that we are entering in a new phase of the hoax (especially after the 777 days have passed, TS giving us a deadline...and the coming trial)...a step further to usher in the NEW change with Michael as King (sun rising) ....and the revelation of Michael's artwork that was kept secret because of the allegations looks like a victory to me because it FINALLY IS presented to the world....despite all the bad things that have happened and prevented him to do it. This is all part of the "resurrection process" "Takeover" in a way.

Front also said:

"Until then, from beyond the gates of that KINGdom----> whispers shall be heard................"

So it seems to me that with his artwork being REVEALED Michael himself has whispered to us from beyond the gates of his KINGdom...it is a subtle clue yes but very important in my opinion....I hope we hear these whispers correctly  ;). I find this all very positive.

[MJonmind]

Diana77, I was just on your Russian site accidently and noticing you are all discussing Front's posts. Just wondering if they think he is Back, and what they think about this "the sun will rise again", piece? Thanks!  http://vivere.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=575

This was quite a few pages back about Back's N7DT, and I believe it's applicable about this quote as well.

by hesouttamylife » Sun Jun 12, 2011
I happen to love the Jesus and resurrection reference to Michael. It' as obvious as night and day. Has been to me since day one. I have never believed that God would stop at gviing us one saviour. During Jesus' reign it was a time of Babylon. We are living in modern day Babylon now. Of course he needed to send us someone to get us on the right path. I believe he sent Michael Jackson. He certainly fits the mode. He is human and though not without sin, as close to celestial as any human I've ever known in this century or possibly ever, depending on how you look at it. He couldn't walk on water or part the red sea, literally. But metaphorically speaking, he did many of the same things. Different era, different mountains, same results. He got and held our undivided attention and imparted the messages he was sent here to relay. As for the resurrection, I think the resurrection to be realized this time is the resurrection of love and compassion and forgiveness. In this society, those things seem to be almost completely lost which was the premise for life from the beginning. I don't for one second think that Michael Jackson will rise from the dead persay. But his spirit, felt in the movement or the shift in the way people perceive life in general and love for others, is being resurrected as we speak. He didn't die on a cross, though he carried one. And no, he wasn't buried to rise from the grave after 3 days; though he was truly buried alive under all the emotional stress and turmoil he was forced to endure. To have that lifted from him is to be reborn. Michael's resurrection. Again, this is the new era. Time and its measurements must be equal to the capacity of the people the message has to reach. Three days could mean three years this time. The old Michael Jackson, King of Pop, did die literally and gave birth to a new movement towards making things right; for him personally and the planet we live on. Whether he returns or not to the public eye, the lesson is and continues to be learned. There is more love and compassion on this planet since 6/25/09. I see it everyday. Don't you? 

Front
FACTS vs. ILLusion.......

By listening, one will learn truths.
By hearing, one will only learn half truths.
By watching, one will learn to decipher between the two.

TRUTH.......

".....But first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth.
No one supports me against them....
except Michael, your Prince"----(King).
---- Daniel 10:21

A VISION.........

"At that time Michael shall stand up......the great prince (King) who stands watch(ing)......
And there shall be a time of trouble.....
And at that time......" ---Daniel 12:1

...deLIVEerance!

"Michael in contending with the dEVIL.....
dared not bring against him a reviling accusation......" -Jude 9

REVELATION...... <<<justice prevails.

"War broke out in heaven....Michael and his angels fought with the dragons and his angels ---but they did NOT prevail..." ---Revelation 12:7-8

They say History repeats itself; it's already written.
"We're takin' over, we have the TRUTH
This IS the Mission."  ----- The Greatest (on Hiatus)

Front
The beginning always gives way to an end.
The end always gives way to a beginning.

Scientists tell us that dark matter exists, but they cannot SEE it. They have admitted that they can't find 90 percent of the Universe! We cannot see or touch it; its existence is IMPLIED ---through findings/"evidence".

Throughout the History of time, there has been an ongoing battle between GOOD and EVIL. Prophets have walked among us pre-June 25 and continue to walk among us --- physically in the flesh OR implied through Faith. They walk the face of the Earth with a message --- Love for all human-kind..... and deLIVErance; the common denominator of Prophetic messages.

The world listened when Michael fought his battles with UNdying determination ---and JUSTICE prevailed. And they listened to his message. BUt they did NOT listen close enough! SOME people only "heard" (half truths)...... while others truly "listened" (Truth!)  ---- they got the whole enchilada.

That battle is still being fought......just on a different layer of the "enchilada".

Believing and knowing are two different things. Don't take my word as conclusive evidence. The proof will be provided in future HIStory..........

Quite simply MJ is finishing what the other Messiah started. 2 different kings, 2 reigns and the end result will be the same. Again JW's believe Archangel Michael was/is the preincarnate Yahshua (Jesus).  I've done the Bible studies and agree that Scripture supports that though the mainsteam theology doesn't. Front says prophets have walked among us, and the Bible says that angels walk among us.  The proof will be in the pudding, pie, cake, whatever! These are exciting times in our history. ALL we can do is "Keep Watching"! Throughout history God has always placed a veil over people's eyes of understanding until the proper time to reveal. Man's traditions have been interwoven with our beliefs and interpretations so much so that much of what we believe is truth has been lies. Therefore we have to have open minds to receive truth when it comes to us, otherwise we may miss it, just as most did 2000 years ago. History is a grand stage, and Michael will "perform" again I believe!

[JentleTouch]

So no news....
Is there a saying "No news is Good news"? lol

[JustDucky]

 I'm fiddling with back's original numbers and some significant dates – I posted some of this several pages back & am trying to build on it. I'm thinking out loud here to see if anyone has anything to add or correct. If nobody cares, that's fine too.

I don't use "inclusive reckoning", just so you know how I got the dates that I did.  Also, 2008 was a leap year, ( can't help wondering if that has anything to do with repeated  "1 day of simmering") So is 2012.
Back's numbers are 62  76  813  21. Add them and you get 972.
Trying to find a starting point, I chose the date Ba$hit's LWMJ first aired, Feb 3 2003. This is when the trouble began.
Feb 3 2003 to the verdict, June 13 2005 is 861 days. 972 – 861 = 111.
TII is 111 minutes long.
March 5 2009 to June 24 2009 is 111 days. (June 24 was MJs last day as KoP)
On Oct 26 2006 back says "the theory of 7 officially begins". (TII opened Oct 27 2009)
Oct 26 2006  +  861 days = March 5 2009.
Oct 26 2006  +  972 days = June 24 2009.
On June 13 2005 the verdict was read "at approximately 2:25pm PDT".
On June 25 2009 TOD was 2:26pm PDT.
Not sure if this matters, but June 25 2009 + 972 days is Feb 2 2012.
"We have four years to get it right".
We, the world in general, had four years to get it right – Michael Jackson is an innocent man. That didn't happen.
June 13 2005 to June 25 2009 is 1473 days, or 4.04 years. Actually, it's 4 years plus 12 days: 365 x 4 = 1460, plus 1 day for leap year 2008 = 1461. Add 12 days to that and we have 1473 days. I mention this because of the 12 days between "death" and the memorial.
June 25 2009 + 1473 days = July 7 2013. (The memorial was July 7 2009, add four years and you get July 7 2013;  the original opening for TII concerts was July 8 2009)
About the 12 days – I've tried to pinpoint the day Michael left California after the Arviso trial, but as always there are conflicting reports. The only  thing all reports agree on is that it was within 2 weeks of June 13.
This article, dated June 30 2005, says Michael arrived in Bahrain from Europe "Wednesday night".
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2005/June/middleeast_June883.xml&section=middleeast
June 30 2005 was a Thursday, so the Wednesday Michael arrived was June 29. I know someone who went to Bahrain from the East coast of the US. The most direct route took her to France first, and the trip took two days. That could mean MJ left the US on June 27 if he went straight from California to France (or London) to Bahrain. But he was traveling with 3 small children and was exhausted from the trial, and he left from the West coast, so it's possible that he stayed in France for a day or two to rest before continuing on. It's possible that the significance of June 25 is that that's the date he had to leave his home for his and his children's safety. (When Roseanne Barr made a joke of singing the National Anthem, she got so many threats against her life and the lives of her kids that LAPD gave them 24/7 protection for 3 months. Imagine the threats Michael got from idiots who thought he was guilty.)
So in 2005 there may have been 12 days between the verdict and leaving his country. 12 days between what should have been vindication but only fanned the flames of hatred against him, and the day he left for some peace and freedom.  In 2009 there were 12 days between "death" and the memorial which, more and more, looks like a good-bye that went both ways, us to him and him to us. Hopefully now he is getting the peace and freedom he deserves.

[wishingstar]

JustDucky~ that was an amazing post....thank you for all that hard work and number crunching

respect/
Blessings Always

[scorpionchik]

@ JustDuky

I like reading your posts where u keep analyzing facts.

One little error u made in calculation  'Feb 3 2003 to the verdict, June 13 2005 is 861 days. 972 – 861 = 111. TII is 111 minutes long.March 5 2009 to June 24 2009 is 111 days. (June 24 was MJs last day as KoP)

2004 is a leap year too, thus Feb 3 2003 to June 13 2005 is 862 days I guess or did u count 1 extra day?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_29

[JustDucky]

@scorpionchick and wishingstar
Thanks!
I double checked, and I'm still getting 861 days from Feb 3 2003 to June 13 2005 (I used the site below to check calculations I did manually) Remember, I don't count the first day, so my #1 is Feb 4, #2 is Feb 5 etc, ending w/ June 13 as #861.
http://www.easysurf.cc/ndate2.htm

[scorpionchik]

@scorpionchick and wishingstar
Thanks!
I double checked, and I'm still getting 861 days from Feb 3 2003 to June 13 2005 (I used the site below to check calculations I did manually) Remember, I don't count the first day, so my #1 is Feb 4, #2 is Feb 5 etc, ending w/ June 13 as #861.
http://www.easysurf.cc/ndate2.htm

Good, then u got very solid point. And the sign language  MJ speaks in the video also would be very helpful to find out. I found website of sign language alphabet can help us to understand MJ  http://www.squidoo.com/american-sign-language-alphabet