Official back & Front thread

[MJonmind]

Souza, do you have relief people so you can take breaks, holidays?  I think I would long ago have cracked or have had a major melt-down if I was in your shoes. Seems you're doing the work of 10 people, or are you not quite human? :icon_e_confused: :icon_e_surprised:  May God give you what you need (and Front too :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile)!!!

Front, thanks so much for sticking with us. :bowdown:  You know full well, how potentially totally demoralizing this hoax business has been for us in our home circles, since (mostly) all the people in our lives have concluded there's not a shred of hope for MJ's come-back and we are completely deluded. :errrr:

[GINAFELICIA]

Souza, do you have relief people so you can take breaks, holidays?  I think I would long ago have cracked or have had a major melt-down if I was in your shoes. Seems you're doing the work of 10 people, or are you not quite human? :icon_e_confused: :icon_e_surprised:  May God give you what you need (and Front too :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile)!!!

Front, thanks so much for sticking with us. :bowdown:  You know full well, how potentially totally demoralizing this hoax business has been for us in our home circles, since (mostly) all the people in our lives have concluded there's not a shred of hope for MJ's come-back and we are completely deluded. :errrr:

Indeed, it's like you say.

Imagine my situation: I am chif accountant in a pretty big company. I have many responsabilities about the financial part. People rely on me and I always have to keep my feet on solid ground.
But when my co-workers see my facebook page - with MJ all over the place - I can only imagine  what they must think about me (I know they think I am half crazy ). They don't dare mention it to me though  but I KNOW what they're thinking. Does it bother me? In a way yes, especially  those who ask me why he had skin transplant to make himself white (damn it how stupid can people be, unbelievable :Crash:).

But I won't stop posting about Mike if I feel like posting about him on facebook or anywhere else. Who does not like me this way can tell me goodbye, I don't give a f** about it.

[~Souza~]

It seems to me it's got to the point where Front can't say anything without it being desperately over-analysed - which could explain why he chose to make his last post just a selection of quotes from others. Reminded me of good old TIAI redirects!

Can't say I blame him for cutting back on his visits. IMO people are missing the point, the bigger picture, while they get bogged down in semantics. Maybe it's a language thing, with non native English speakers, IDK.

(And incidentally, he said 'same SET of tracks', not ONE track. That means side by side - no crash!)

I was the only one who took it that way, and I don´t think I always over-analyze Front´s post. In fact I hardly ever comment on them because normally I get what he says. This time I was not so sure what he meant, plus I was in an extremely bad mood. And I might not be a native English speaker, dogma is greek and is the same in Dutch as it is in English, carpe diem is latin. So there is no language barrier there. I just didn't get what he was saying.

@heartwarrior: I have been smoke-free for 18 days now, which means 18 times longer than I ever quit. I'm doing fine most of the time, but I am going through a hard time personally, which means I have bad days. I'll get rid of it, I'm sure I will, I will just have some more bad days probably. It's a combination of things.

Anyway, I feel much better today but I do want to make a few things clear. I am not tired of the hoax, I am not tired of managing this site. In fact, I still like both. I also don't feel personally attacked by the haters, I couldn't care less what they say about me. I bet most of them would like me if they met me not knowing who I am. But I am sick and tired of the hypocrisy of people. At start I thought that MJ fans would overall be loving people, but at the moment I feel that this is not Thriller 2, but Mean Girls 2. So many throw around the word love wherever they can, but I seriously doubt they know how to even spell it, let alone live by it. I have seen attacks based on utter bullshit at other fans, non-fans, believers, fellow hoaxers, Michael's family and even Michael himself. What happened on MJJC with the attacks on Michael's mother was UNHEARD OF. When I see the nasty remarks about Jermaine and La Toya, it makes me mad. If I were Michael and had fans who claimed to love me and I saw them treat my family like SHIT, I would have been a LOT nastier than back/front ever has been. A LOT nastier. When I see people who claim to be Michael's fan and claim to love him so much, say that they would lose respect for Michael if he would be like back/front, it makes me FURIOUS. Who the fuck do they think they are? What do they expect from him? That you can feel free to slander the people he loves so much, and that he would stick a feather up in your ass? That he would say "You called my mother a greedy bitch, but I love you more." ?? Seriously? That he would not defend his own mother? That's ridiculous. And French Braid was an arrogant bitch and she deserved what she got. When you don't have respect for other human beings, don't expect it back. She is one of the nasty ones with an agenda, yet Michael's fans, who claim to love him so much, would pick her side over his, after her nasty behaviour, if Michael is not exactly how they have him in mind. They will stop respecting and loving him if he would turn out to be just this guy that gets pissed off if you talk crap about his mother, or who defends people who mean well when attacked by arrogant bitches, or who might even swear, have dirty socks and underwear laying around and can fart and chew gum at the same time and be proud of his multitasking skills. I.E. being male. The poster did say ' discover the man you never knew' right? I think that should ring a bell. Maybe Michael is the oh so angelic person they want him to be, don't get me wrong, and on the other side I am not saying Front is a pig, my point is that there should not be a condition for love with these fans. It's selfish and foolish and if they think that way, they do not know what love is and therefore should not misuse the word.

So its's NOT the BS against this forum that's bothering me. It's childish and annoying, but I don't care enough to let that get to me. It's what I described above that is frustrating me to no end, can anyone understand that frustration? 

~End of MY rant. I'll let it rest now but wanted to make my point.

[MaryK]

Frankly and honestly @Souza I can understand how Front´s latest post left you depressed and frustrated.

I don´t know if the frustration is really so much about the content.

When you look at it from a psychogolocial point of view it´s easy to comprehend the frustration.

His last post with the handwritten notes was so HUGE, so revealing, so "in your face" blatantly groundbreaking.
It left most of us in high spirits and there were definitely adrenalin and endorphins running through our veins creating a flow experience in that mom(m)ent of NOW.

Now...we are back to words...and only words. Much like what we have been used to. Metaphorical words of encouragement yes, but still only words.

It´s like we´ve been on a roller coaster ride in our own theme park and now, directly after the adrenalin boost we find ourselves riding in those little swan-shaped boats around the little picturesque lake.
Antithetic concepts, conflictive emotions.

I very much appreciate Front being here and posting and the fact that he is sticking with us. And I understand that he probably cannot give more at this point.

But I can also understand and feel the frustration and the feeling of emptiness.

It´s like cold turkey after that last shot of adrenalin.

[For All Time]

I think purelove is from Romania, as I am We celebrate on June 1 st Children's Day here .Peace and love for all

[Sarahli]

Concerning the people who say they will turn their backs on Front/Michael when the truth is known fully, I think that they don't really realize what they are saying -- yet. Well I hope so. They underestimate the power of the truth and they certainly can't foresee the future and how these things will be made known/play out. It seems they are talking from a point of certainty ("Front is not Michael anyway") which feeds their arrogance in claiming they'll no longer support Michael. But when the truth is known the arrogance of many will be shattered I have no doubt about it. It will be up to them to build something new from that point and whatever that is this will be their full responsibility based on the naked truth. It’s like they will be given one more chance.

When people are confronted with the truth – for example Michael not considering people who slander his family as true fans (which should go without saying) – some people are confronted with their own behavior and in their subconscious they prefer to think that Michael wouldn’t think this about them rather than make a change and realize the wrongs of their behavior. So they find everything to dismiss Front as being a fake because he represents a truth they don’t want to consider/face. They fight a lost battle because one day they will have to face all truths so it would be best they stay open-minded.

Now if people want to exclude themselves from a happy "momment" of oneness they do it on their own volition and there is nothing much we can do about it -- the tabloid associates are excluded anyway. :icon_e_smile:

[hesouttamylife]

Souza, I think you should trademar the name "Sou-Zam".  I like it.

Hello Front, glad to see you back for a hot minute.

My interpretation of Front's post is that the answers to is it a hoax or was it a death are found in what happened at the very beginning, on June 25.  Everything else we've discovered since that time still leads us to the same conclusion we had from the start.  We can go round and round in circles for eternity and will still end up right where we started, KNOWING that June 25th and the months following were so full of inconsistencies that death couldn't be real. 

 The King of Pop was pronounced dead after being given a massive dose of propofol administered by a heart specialist who didn't know how to do CPR and did not "THINK AHEAD" to have the necessary equipment to resuscitate his patient should an emergency like "DYING" occur.  He is dead and will be memoralized at a ticketed event at the Staples Arena, but he will not be buried today.  His family has planned after nearly 3 months to finally take the initiative to have a night service with invited guests in attendance and entomb him in a crypt; however, it will remain unmarked.  But his body will be prepared by Karen Faye et al, who says he looks strikingly well for a corpse who's been waiting burial for that length of time. 

PS - No one is permitted to see this work done by Ms. Faye because the casket will not be opened for either service.  And now that he is put away neatly in a pristine environment, no one will be avle to visit him except family, who obviously chooses not to.

[ovelias]

good afternoon all. i read  front last post. why you are all thing that you fraud; if you take metaphorically the 2 train is 2 people . the one  who prepare  the road and he have to pull away to lave the ather to make the big entrance. maybe for a little wile we will dont have news. sowa littel now news and after the big entrance and then .....

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

@Souza... I agree 100% with you, I don't know about the rest of the members here but I consider myself a "REAL MJ's FAN", why? Because from being a child I follow his music, his dancing (I am a dancer) because I love and respect his family and children, because I love and respect him, because when in 1993 and 2005 the child molester allegations I knew from minute 1 he was INNOCENT, because I knew he was NOT GAY, because I knew he was NOT A DRUG ADDICT, because I never believed in YELLOW TABLOIDS because when he died I couldn't stop crying, crying and crying and when I knew he faked his death I didn't reproach him anything and never thought "How could he have made this to his children or fans", I always understood that Michael deserved to return to the public eye clean of all that shit he was bringing over his shoulders for years, that's why being a huge MJ's fan I agree with his hoax and I respect all Jackson family members points of view including Joe to whom I never could hate (because he is Michael's father ) and I only can thanks God for keeping Michael yet alive so I will be able to enjoy him somehow.
What I understood about the last Front's message (and I hope it won't be that way) is that he will return when all his fans will realize he is faking his death, I think he can't return if people don't believe in his hoax, that's how I see it, the 2 trains in different direcctions means if people are thinking different ways, it would be impossible for him to come back, I hope I am wrong and we will be able to enjoy his BAM A.S.A.P.
Please Michael come back I am thinking about you 24/7 and I want to know if you are O.K, I want to see you again and be able to enjoy your new music in case you had recorded new music during your brake.
Michael, God bless you and Love Always   :moonwalk_:

[BeTheChange]

Such great posts all around.

I often try to envision Mike reading what we write and try to imagine what he feels when he reads here. If I put myself in his shoes (a task in itself...I am humbled and tickled pink just to be in his presence), I would say there's been momMents where he's felt absolute joy, tIMEs when he's laughed his ass off (we're a 'funny' bunch lol)...and I can FEEL the love, that I KNOW he's felt exuding from so many hearts here.  But that's just half of the picture.

It is easy for us to see and feel all the 'good' feelings we've brought Mike throughout this journey....and while my heart soars whenever I imagine that we've, somehow, brought joy to Mike (THE best gift anyone could give)....it hurts like hell to imagine the flip-side.  How does it feel to read about so-called fans....people that claim to love you....ripping your family, the people you love most, to shreds?  How does it feel to have your children criticized and judged---the latest for taking a pic in a bathing suit---by people who don't even know them....but claim to love you?  How does it feel to watch fans, that should be united, fighting and arguing over you?  How does it feel to witness people use the words 'I love him' followed by the words 'but' or 'if', when speaking of you...people who are supposedly the ones that got your back?  And how does it feel whenever someone comes along and attacks people who you've come to know and grown to love by getting to know them throughout this journey?  For all the 'good' Mike has felt....I'm sure this ride has caused Mike some inner 'turbulance' at times as well.

The varying emotions we feel, and have felt, are simply a mirror reflection....with all the ups, downs, joys, pains.....we're on the other side of that looking glass.  Although different, in many ways the same.  Mike is along for the ride too....but he not only experiences 'passenger' effects....what 'we' feel and experience along the way...he's also the tour guide, co-ordinator, manager, owner...and driver lol.  I think Mike has tried his best from day one to keep the 'lows' as low as possible for us....he's kept us 'entertained' and he's given us hope in times of darkness.  No matter which car we're in on the 'hoax train', as people claiming to love the man, we should ALL always try to do the same for him. 

I heard this song yesterday for the first time in years....it's an old song.  I've always loved it...the lyrics IMO are beautiful, as is the meaning.  It took on a whole new meaning for me yesterday though...and now I love it even more.  The lyrics 'fit' our experiences here....on several levels....and if Mike were singing it to us, it does my heart good to imagine the message would 'fit' too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GasdFvj-Ag[/youtube]

Love you Mike....no ifs, ands, or buts.

With L.O.V.E. always.

[jono]

At start I thought that MJ fans would overall be loving people, but at the moment I feel that this is not Thriller 2, but Mean Girls 2.

 :LolLolLolLol:  :thjajaja121:  :thjajaja121:

God bless you Souza! And I mean that..  :icon_e_wink:

 :bearhug:

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

@Font/Michael... I forgot to tell you that I listen to your music 24/7 that's the way I am able to feel happy everyday and life is worth and don't listen to people who is judging Paris in swimsuit picture, you should be proud of having such a beautiful daughter who is showing her beautiful body in an innocent 14 years old way, people who watch that picture in a different way is because  don't have a clean and clear mind.

Love Always  :moonwalk_:

[GINAFELICIA]

Yeah it's well said mean girls 2.
I know what' I've been through. Unbelievable   - especially when coming from MJ "loving" fans.

[Love4Michael]

Concerning the people who say they will turn their backs on Front/Michael when the truth is known fully, I think that they don't really realize what they are saying -- yet. Well I hope so. They underestimate the power of the truth and they certainly can't foresee the future and how these things will be made known/play out. It seems they are talking from a point of certainty ("Front is not Michael anyway") which feeds their arrogance in claiming they'll no longer support Michael. But when the truth is known the arrogance of many will be shattered I have no doubt about it. It will be up to them to build something new from that point and whatever that is this will be their full responsibility based on the naked truth. It’s like they will be given one more chance.

When people are confronted with the truth – for example Michael not considering people who slander his family as true fans (which should go without saying) – some people are confronted with their own behavior and in their subconscious they prefer to think that Michael wouldn’t think this about them rather than make a change and realize the wrongs of their behavior. So they find everything to dismiss Front as being a fake because he represents a truth they don’t want to consider/face. They fight a lost battle because one day they will have to face all truths so it would be best they stay open-minded.

Now if people want to exclude themselves from a happy "momment" of oneness they do it on their own volition and there is nothing much we can do about it -- the tabloid associates are excluded anyway. :icon_e_smile:

^^THIS^^

Souza, I think you should trademar the name "Sou-Zam".  I like it.

Hello Front, glad to see you back for a hot minute.

My interpretation of Front's post is that the answers to is it a hoax or was it a death are found in what happened at the very beginning, on June 25.  Everything else we've discovered since that time still leads us to the same conclusion we had from the start.  We can go round and round in circles for eternity and will still end up right where we started, KNOWING that June 25th and the months following were so full of inconsistencies that death couldn't be real. 

 The King of Pop was pronounced dead after being given a massive dose of propofol administered by a heart specialist who didn't know how to do CPR and did not "THINK AHEAD" to have the necessary equipment to resuscitate his patient should an emergency like "DYING" occur.  He is dead and will be memoralized at a ticketed event at the Staples Arena, but he will not be buried today.  His family has planned after nearly 3 months to finally take the initiative to have a night service with invited guests in attendance and entomb him in a crypt; however, it will remain unmarked.  But his body will be prepared by Karen Faye et al, who says he looks strikingly well for a corpse who's been waiting burial for that length of time. 

PS - No one is permitted to see this work done by Ms. Faye because the casket will not be opened for either service.  And now that he is put away neatly in a pristine environment, no one will be avle to visit him except family, who obviously chooses not to.

^^THIS^^  Great recap of things that should have initially caused the masses to say...ummm  :WTF:

Such great posts all around.

I often try to envision Mike reading what we write and try to imagine what he feels when he reads here. If I put myself in his shoes (a task in itself...I am humbled and tickled pink just to be in his presence), I would say there's been momMents where he's felt absolute joy, tIMEs when he's laughed his ass off (we're a 'funny' bunch lol)...and I can FEEL the love, that I KNOW he's felt exuding from so many hearts here.  But that's just half of the picture.

It is easy for us to see and feel all the 'good' feelings we've brought Mike throughout this journey....and while my heart soars whenever I imagine that we've, somehow, brought joy to Mike (THE best gift anyone could give)....it hurts like hell to imagine the flip-side.  How does it feel to read about so-called fans....people that claim to love you....ripping your family, the people you love most, to shreds?  How does it feel to have your children criticized and judged---the latest for taking a pic in a bathing suit---by people who don't even know them....but claim to love you?  How does it feel to watch fans, that should be united, fighting and arguing over you?  How does it feel to witness people use the words 'I love him' followed by the words 'but' or 'if', when speaking of you...people who are supposedly the ones that got your back?  And how does it feel whenever someone comes along and attacks people who you've come to know and grown to love by getting to know them throughout this journey?  For all the 'good' Mike has felt....I'm sure this ride has caused Mike some inner 'turbulance' at times as well.

The varying emotions we feel, and have felt, are simply a mirror reflection....with all the ups, downs, joys, pains.....we're on the other side of that looking glass.  Although different, in many ways the same.  Mike is along for the ride too....but he not only experiences 'passenger' effects....what 'we' feel and experience along the way...he's also the tour guide, co-ordinator, manager, owner...and driver lol.  I think Mike has tried his best from day one to keep the 'lows' as low as possible for us....he's kept us 'entertained' and he's given us hope in times of darkness.  No matter which car we're in on the 'hoax train', as people claiming to love the man, we should ALL always try to do the same for him. 

^^and especially THIS^^  I can imagine that he's been both entertained and frustrated beyond belief as things have transpired here and elsewhere.  I can't help but think that since he HAS all the answers and KNOWS the exact plan that we (at times) have frustrated the hell out of him with our inability to "get" things and with the infighting and attention seeking that goes on sometimes...lol...poor guy.   

You 3 are awesome...you just saved me sooo much typing! 

[bec]

Well the girl over at .net did a pretty good job of copying Front's notes. I guess it's possible to fake MJ's writing quite well.

Yet again we are left having to go with our gut feelings because solid proof is no where to be found.

Still gotta say, again, @Front: the entire world has written us off as loony tunes, we have zero credibility when it comes to sharing what we (think we) know. So if you have any residual reservations towards revealing any other pieces in this (presumed) piece-by-piece dealie, you can safely cast them aside. Reveal away.

I think Souza already expressed it better then I can, but... when your entire world of friends/loved ones/associates think's you've lost your mind, and no matter how close the confidant, they still look at you as off the deep end lost in a galaxy far far away, it wears on your sense of self confidence, erodes it slowly like water flowing across solid rock; eventually a canyon is carved out, given enough time.

It is easy to say that upon Bamsday, all will be vindicated, all will be understood, and we need not worry because in time everything will work out but... you came here for a reason and your presence here is in direct conflict to those statements. Why else make grand entrance upon this board, and seek to make it understood that you are an insider, allude that you are back, suggest that you are MJ... unless there is some purpose, some benefit for us to know/understand this.

Look, Front, I'm having difficulty putting into words what I mean so I guess I ought to just spit it out. I think you want us to KNOW that you are MJ... but due to the length of time we have been at this, and all the fakes we have had to fend off for the duration, compounded with our Real Life friends/family/associates constant silent pressure to give it up and come back to the land of the mentally healthy, we are gonna need more. You gotta up the anty. With all due respect, Sir, you know our depths of loyalty, you know our struggle, you read our Fearless (and Tireless) Leader's pleas... more please.