Official back & Front thread

[wishingstar]

And on the topic of Michael Jackson....Front said:

If you're a religious person, have faith in God.
If you're not, then have faith in Michael.

Let's, for a second, leave God, TS, Front and Back OUT of the equation...cause when all is said and done, none of the 'fighting', 'arguments' and 'back-and-forth banter' has anything to do with FAITH in any of the above (that's just surface 'analysis').  At its core, however, it has everything to do with YOUR faith in Mike.

1) IF you believe Mike is alive, then you'd be really naive to think that he does not know about this forum and about what's happening, at any given time, in hoax-land.

2) IF he knows about this forum, then there's NO WAY he hasn't read, or at least heard of, TS and Front (I won't even get into whether or not he KNEW about Back). 

3) IF you have faith in MIKE, then you've got to KNOW that there is NO WAY he'd allow 'imposters' to mess around with his 'fans', when all the while 'they' have some underlying agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

4) IF you don't KNOW that, then you DON'T have full faith in MJ....and he KNOWS that (see #1).

It's really that simple....and sad.

With L.O.V.E. always.

@BeTheChange Your 4 points are the best things i've read lately in the forum, so simple and well said!

Thank you for putting this out here, what nobody should ever forgot is to believe in Michael whatever happens, i mean if you already chose to be part of this amazing hoax.

I know it's not always that simple, but as for me, the most important thing i've learned during the past 2,5 years is to have faith and continue to believe what your heart says and keep being patient......simple things but hard to manage sometimes.....

 /bravo/ BTC : )

Awesome post too Michelle! Words are so simple to write/read, yet so difficult to follow at times...Keep the faith sisters!
Love you!

[paula-c]

curls:

So far I've kept out of the recent arguments, believing that troublemakers are usually just out for attention, and I try not to give them that satisfaction.

I have read all the pages and pages of posts here and on that other TS/TIAI thread and agree with this curls ......no point fueling their manipulative obsession with causing sh*t.

Just like when a 2 year old is having a tanty........ignore it.

+1

Although I'm reading the forum everyday, I have not made any posts on this thread for a while because I know that this TS/Front discussion is not going to end at least till Michael comes back. There're thousands of things to discuss on this forum. You do not need to focus on TS/Front if you think that he is a manipulator. Do not allow him to manipulate you then, go and discuss other subjects. I also do not understand the urge of making other people believe what you believe. You can't do that. Whatever proof you show them, they will keep on believing what they want. So why need to discuss the issue? We've been discussing this for the past 2,5 years. What's the conclusion, what changed? Nothing. The solution is simple tho. If you think that TS/Front is a fake, then ignore his posts. You do not need to trust someone else in this hoax. You need to trust yourself, whatever you found to make you start believing and made you continue. Forget about others, forget about insiders. What do you know to make you believe that this is a hoax? Is it enough for you to stay here or not? If it's not, then leave the hoax behind. If you can not leave the forum, then do not blame anyone else for your obsession to the hoax. It is your choice and it is your responsibility to be here. If you like it stay, if you don't then leave. 

True, if there are people who do not believe or not is interested in the issues of TS or Front by simply not to overlook them. Another thing that it is also true, setting aside the religious theme there are things that TS have said that "nobody to refuted with solid evidence.

[suspicious mind]

curls:

So far I've kept out of the recent arguments, believing that troublemakers are usually just out for attention, and I try not to give them that satisfaction.

I have read all the pages and pages of posts here and on that other TS/TIAI thread and agree with this curls ......no point fueling their manipulative obsession with causing sh*t.

Just like when a 2 year old is having a tanty........ignore it.

+1

Although I'm reading the forum everyday, I have not made any posts on this thread for a while because I know that this TS/Front discussion is not going to end at least till Michael comes back. There're thousands of things to discuss on this forum. You do not need to focus on TS/Front if you think that he is a manipulator. Do not allow him to manipulate you then, go and discuss other subjects. I also do not understand the urge of making other people believe what you believe. You can't do that. Whatever proof you show them, they will keep on believing what they want. So why need to discuss the issue? We've been discussing this for the past 2,5 years. What's the conclusion, what changed? Nothing. The solution is simple tho. If you think that TS/Front is a fake, then ignore his posts. You do not need to trust someone else in this hoax. You need to trust yourself, whatever you found to make you start believing and made you continue. Forget about others, forget about insiders. What do you know to make you believe that this is a hoax? Is it enough for you to stay here or not? If it's not, then leave the hoax behind. If you can not leave the forum, then do not blame anyone else for your obsession to the hoax. It is your choice and it is your responsibility to be here. If you like it stay, if you don't then leave. 

True, if there are people who do not believe or not is interested in the issues of TS or Front by simply not to overlook them. Another thing that it is also true, setting aside the religious theme there are things that TS have said that "nobody to refuted with solid evidence.

in general pretty good post pure love. imho  penguin/ as far as the friction that has been goin on over the insiders / informers i really don't believe any of the regular hoaxers ( by regular hoaxers i mean anyone who has not presented themselves as being an insider/ informer , not just someone who isn't here all the time) . i believe that it's  no different a situation than when disscussing religion , politics , gay verses straight ect. ect. everyone is just passionate about what they believe and for them it is the best and they simply don't want anyone else to miss the boat, while the other might see that boat as being chuck full of holes.  and imo most of the time the personalities that are the most alike create the most sparks ( did i say that out loud ? afraid/ OMG! /overreacting/ argue/ respect/ :lol:  ) . anyway to change the subject just a little ( nervous laughter) does anyone know whatever happened with our origingal question list and if we still have unanswered ones out there and how many of these our insiders/ informers have actually helped us answer? 

[PureLove]

i believe that it's  no different a situation than when disscussing religion , politics , gay verses straight ect. ect. everyone is just passionate about what they believe and for them it is the best and they simply don't want anyone else to miss the boat, while the other might see that boat as being chuck full of holes. 

Exactly suspicious. And those issues are also the ones that I would never ever get into a discussion about. Because there's no conclusion , and there's no end. Discussing things and sharing opinions is good but there's no point to extend things. At the end no one is going to convince someone else about his or her opinion. So why need to chase our own tails? Everyone is keep on writing the same things. One part is blaming the other part. So what's the deal? Just let it go and let people think whatever they want to think.

[veronicafall]

3) IF you have faith in MIKE, then you've got to KNOW that there is NO WAY he'd allow 'imposters' to mess around with his 'fans', when all the while 'they' have some underlying agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

And how could MJ interfere in this forum' business if it doesn't belong to him, as Souza claims?
Moreover, this is a hoax, and a lot of controversy is going on EVERYWHERE as a result of his "death", not just here.

If this site is not a tool of his, than Michael would just sit back and watch what happens in his "absence" here just as he sits back and waches everything else all around the world related to the subject, simply as an observer.

He is watching the show! I'm waiting for his "ok, guys, that's a wrap!"  /toldya/

[voiceforthesilent]

I’m wondering if the snippets from Front could actually be from one of the 3 kids?  He doesn’t say in his posts that he specifically made any of them.  We don't know if Michael is with his kids for all, part or a bit of the time.
My son has made some pretty fun and interesting music on computer.

Hardly anybody responded to my post:

Watch this video, particularly at 1:40. The transcript is below.
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The video above is very, very interesting.  It was sent to me by Cathy.  I had never heard this before, but this man is being interviewed who was working on recordings for another musician at one of the castles where Michael stayed and recorded.* At 0:30 he says, “I heard this from two guys that know nothing about what you just talked about (MK Ultra, mind control mentioned by the interviewer). 


He spoke about working with a music producer, and that Michael was living in Ireland, moving from Castle to Castle to evade the press/public.* At 1:52 he says, “and my friend, this music producer was with this pop star that he was producing music for and he noticed this kind of sequencer machine that allows you to, without having any musical training, to actually create rythyms and that kind of thing . . .”  He then goes on to say, “the engineer goes, oh that belongs to Michael Jackson.  He says “Michael Jackson was recording here? And he says ‘oh yeah he was here for months recording an album.


* At 2:14 the guest says, “Oh what was that like? And he says ‘oh it was interesting’.  His friend said ‘what did the record sound like’ and he said ‘eh, you wouldn’t believe it,it sounded like punk rock albums or something, and the lyrics’ he said, ‘were all about like ‘he was being framed, he was naming people in the music business who were all, like involved in like rituals’, and these guys knew absolutely nothing about this stuff.  And he said ‘ it was all crazy sh*t , couldn’t believe what I was hearing’.  And the master tape vanished and has not been heard of since.”


The guest said that the engineer and producer were not the type to make this stuff up, they were professionals, and he went on to describe that they told him that the music Michael was working on was not your typical Michael Jackson music.  It was aggressive, it was angry and he called it a “whistle-blower” album.Michael was naming names in his music?  Corey Feldman is going to be naming names?  Arrests in child porn rings are being arrested in various countries across the globe and the rituals – We no longer have the luxury of calling this a conspiracy “THEORY”.

Latoya’s Dutch T.V. Interview, Jermaine’s Arabia T.V. interview, Bryce Taylor’s book, Fritz Springmeier’s book, Michael’s song lyrics and the Bible all meet in the middle.  It is a precision puzzle that is fitting perfectly into place.

 

I have not seen this before. Thank you for bringing it back up. I need to work now but will come back and listen to that video interview.

Do you know who this Cathy person is that sent it to you?

Blessings

[GINAFELICIA]

Let's, for a second, leave God, TS, Front and Back OUT of the equation...cause when all is said and done, none of the 'fighting', 'arguments' and 'back-and-forth banter' has anything to do with FAITH in any of the above (that's just surface 'analysis').  At its core, however, it has everything to do with YOUR faith in Mike.

1) IF you believe Mike is alive, then you'd be really naive to think that he does not know about this forum and about what's happening, at any given time, in hoax-land.

2) IF he knows about this forum, then there's NO WAY he hasn't read, or at least heard of, TS and Front (I won't even get into whether or not he KNEW about Back). 

3) IF you have faith in MIKE, then you've got to KNOW that there is NO WAY he'd allow 'imposters' to mess around with his 'fans', when all the while 'they' have some underlying agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

4) IF you don't KNOW that, then you DON'T have full faith in MJ....and he KNOWS that (see #1).

It's really that simple....and sad.

With L.O.V.E. always.

Perfect logic.

But it's all based on point 1)....
If point 1) is false, they are all mind f******* errrr
If point 1) is true, MJ is here  bounce/ bounce/ bounce/
Hi MJ bearhug

[bec]

At 1:52 he says, “and my friend, this music producer was with this pop star that he was producing music for and he noticed this kind of sequencer machine that allows you to, without having any musical training, to actually create rythyms and that kind of thing . . .”  He then goes on to say, “the engineer goes, oh that belongs to Michael Jackson.  He says “Michael Jackson was recording here? And he says ‘oh yeah he was here for months recording an album.

I think this is very interesting and supportive evidence.

[diggyon]

Ok guys, after reading all these comments for almost one hour I would like to share this with you.
On Michael's facebook page there was this quote:

"Quote of the day: "If you are going to do it, commit yourself, know your craft and be really involved." MJ fans, what’s your “craft?”


Could this have any meaning to us??? I just wonder!!!!

Blessings

[BeTheChange]

Let's, for a second, leave God, TS, Front and Back OUT of the equation...cause when all is said and done, none of the 'fighting', 'arguments' and 'back-and-forth banter' has anything to do with FAITH in any of the above (that's just surface 'analysis').  At its core, however, it has everything to do with YOUR faith in Mike.

1) IF you believe Mike is alive, then you'd be really naive to think that he does not know about this forum and about what's happening, at any given time, in hoax-land.

2) IF he knows about this forum, then there's NO WAY he hasn't read, or at least heard of, TS and Front (I won't even get into whether or not he KNEW about Back). 

3) IF you have faith in MIKE, then you've got to KNOW that there is NO WAY he'd allow 'imposters' to mess around with his 'fans', when all the while 'they' have some underlying agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

4) IF you don't KNOW that, then you DON'T have full faith in MJ....and he KNOWS that (see #1).

It's really that simple....and sad.

With L.O.V.E. always.

Perfect logic.

But it's all based on point 1)....
If point 1) is false, they are all mind f******* errrr
If point 1) is true, MJ is here  bounce/ bounce/ bounce/
Hi MJ bearhug

Gina...I totally agree that it is all based on point #1.  BUT even with point #1 being true (which I know it is)...'they' could still be "mind f******" lol....or mag-(mind)-funkers  :lol:...but in a good way  :

On another note...I took a walk around our lovely home and although I may have missed it, I think we're lacking a stereo system to 'mag-funk' to :mrgreen:  So I thought I'd bring one along...if someone already did (and I missed it), it's ok...it's a big house  :



Now that it's been set up...I'm gonna blast this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wctJN90xQeM[/youtube]

 michael-jackson/

Then, I'm gonna play all of Front's snippets...BACK to BACK  penguin/

@diggyon...thanks for sharing the FB 'quote of the day'...it's perfect  :

With L.O.V.E. always.

[SimPattyK]

[...]
1) IF you believe Mike is alive, then you'd be really naive to think that he does not know about this forum and about what's happening, at any given time, in hoax-land.

2) IF he knows about this forum, then there's NO WAY he hasn't read, or at least heard of, TS and Front (I won't even get into whether or not he KNEW about Back). 

3) IF you have faith in MIKE, then you've got to KNOW that there is NO WAY he'd allow 'imposters' to mess around with his 'fans', when all the while 'they' have some underlying agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

4) IF you don't KNOW that, then you DON'T have full faith in MJ....and he KNOWS that (see #1).
[...]

@BeTheChange Your 4 points are the best things i've read lately in the forum, so simple and well said!
Thank you for putting this out here, what nobody should ever forgot is to believe in Michael whatever happens, i mean if you already chose to be part of this amazing hoax.
I know it's not always that simple, but as for me, the most important thing i've learned during the past 2,5 years is to have faith and continue to believe what your heart says and keep being patient......simple things but hard to manage sometimes.....
 /bravo/ BTC : )

Awesome post too Michelle! Words are so simple to write/read, yet so difficult to follow at times...Keep the faith sisters!Love you!

[...]  I also have a sneaky suspicion that some of these same pot-stirrers and naysayers will be knocking people over trying to get to the front of the line to protest that they never doubted for even a split second when the time comes.  :roll:

+ 1 here

[bec]

Using that sound system, I'm gonna follow BTC's playing of Unbreakable with Whatever Happens, Keep The Faith, and finally Threatened.

[BeTheChange]

Perfect selection bec....and perfect order as well  /bravo/

 penguin/

@Michelle...loved your post as well!  bearhug

With L.O.V.E. always.

[Sarahli]

Just want to bring back this connection as it seems it’s been missed. This is just one of the many clues/keys/confirmation that we received.

Front always talks about "Light" in times of "darkness" and most recently on January 5 he posted this:"Remember the story contained in my previous post. Darkness fell across the land of Egypt--- but they survived. Light shall illuminate OUR land again, too."

And Paris tweeted shortly after: "Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times if one only remembers to turn on the light."
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Also, I was thinking more about Back and Front's numbers and some older posts that were confirmed by family Tweets and the official MJ Facebook page. And also the Pi relation and the meaning behind it. I think this warrants further investigation but I'm not a number expert. I was reading Souza's posts over on one of the Back threads and she pointed out some good stuff, but I can't quite grasp it because it's very number-ish. LOL Anyway, I HOPE we can get back on topic here and continue discussing the KNOWERS - Back and Front‬.

Hallelujah, praise the LORD!  That's THE best suggestion I've heard in awhile.

Thank you!  :lol: ... and nice sound system you brought in the house!  /woohoo/ party/

[voiceforthesilent]

I’m wondering if the snippets from Front could actually be from one of the 3 kids?  He doesn’t say in his posts that he specifically made any of them.  We don't know if Michael is with his kids for all, part or a bit of the time.
My son has made some pretty fun and interesting music on computer.

Hardly anybody responded to my post:

Watch this video, particularly at 1:40. The transcript is below.
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The video above is very, very interesting.  It was sent to me by Cathy.  I had never heard this before, but this man is being interviewed who was working on recordings for another musician at one of the castles where Michael stayed and recorded.* At 0:30 he says, “I heard this from two guys that know nothing about what you just talked about (MK Ultra, mind control mentioned by the interviewer). 


He spoke about working with a music producer, and that Michael was living in Ireland, moving from Castle to Castle to evade the press/public.* At 1:52 he says, “and my friend, this music producer was with this pop star that he was producing music for and he noticed this kind of sequencer machine that allows you to, without having any musical training, to actually create rythyms and that kind of thing . . .”  He then goes on to say, “the engineer goes, oh that belongs to Michael Jackson.  He says “Michael Jackson was recording here? And he says ‘oh yeah he was here for months recording an album.


* At 2:14 the guest says, “Oh what was that like? And he says ‘oh it was interesting’.  His friend said ‘what did the record sound like’ and he said ‘eh, you wouldn’t believe it,it sounded like punk rock albums or something, and the lyrics’ he said, ‘were all about like ‘he was being framed, he was naming people in the music business who were all, like involved in like rituals’, and these guys knew absolutely nothing about this stuff.  And he said ‘ it was all crazy sh*t , couldn’t believe what I was hearing’.  And the master tape vanished and has not been heard of since.”


The guest said that the engineer and producer were not the type to make this stuff up, they were professionals, and he went on to describe that they told him that the music Michael was working on was not your typical Michael Jackson music.  It was aggressive, it was angry and he called it a “whistle-blower” album.Michael was naming names in his music?  Corey Feldman is going to be naming names?  Arrests in child porn rings are being arrested in various countries across the globe and the rituals – We no longer have the luxury of calling this a conspiracy “THEORY”.

Latoya’s Dutch T.V. Interview, Jermaine’s Arabia T.V. interview, Bryce Taylor’s book, Fritz Springmeier’s book, Michael’s song lyrics and the Bible all meet in the middle.  It is a precision puzzle that is fitting perfectly into place.

 

I have not seen this before. Thank you for bringing it back up. I need to work now but will come back and listen to that video interview.

Do you know who this Cathy person is that sent it to you?

Blessings

It was a very interesting interview. It sounded authentic but what do I know. However, there are a couple of comments that makes me wonder?

Its a satire show- they also had Jesus on the show - LOL dont take every thing so serious

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LOL This is BS . shesh people will you be taken in by every bit of nonsense you here . STOP for MJ's sake please

IM4MJ2 3 days ago