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In the report they also said he had a beard and mustache!!!!  I doubt very seriously if he could grow a beard and mustache in a day, because according to This Is It he was clean shaven and had no facial hair that I seen in the movie how about you guys?.  Somebody is lying either the movie wasnt filmed up to the last days like they have said or the autopsy is of somebody else.


It says absent, so that means no beard and mustache ;)

You are right, my bad I thought it said present.  Guess I was reading too fast. :|
Still believe he's ALIVE :!:  :!:
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Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
I am giving my mother a copy of the report to read. She has been a nurse forever and has read many autopsy reports. She says they are normally about a few  pages long and finds it odd that this one is so long.

she will be able to tell if this is legite or not....

Give me a few days....

That's great! Looking forward to her opinions  :D
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In the report they also said he had a beard and mustache!!!!  I doubt very seriously if he could grow a beard and mustache in a day, because according to This Is It he was clean shaven and had no facial hair that I seen in the movie how about you guys?.  Somebody is lying either the movie wasnt filmed up to the last days like they have said or the autopsy is of somebody else.


can you show which page shows that because page 12 shows mustache beard ABSENT
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i march to the beat of MJs drum

Cant remember if this was said in here already, but didnt someone say in a previous thread that MJ was allowed to witness surgeries on other people? If this is true then maybe he was waiting for that certain individual who was his "twin" who was in very poor health and when this person died,,,mj jumped on it..... now we have our MJ look alike.  

I know, its out there but what the hey...
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So no Lupus mentioned anywhere but we needed to know if he was circumsised or not don't believe this bs

No we didn't need to know. Autopsy reports are not written for public consumption. They are written based on what the findings are.

They didn't say Lupus, but they didn't say he didn't have it.
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So we have Dr. Cooper who pronounced him dead
Detective Scott Smith from LAPD who witnessed the autopsy.
and Christopher Rogers who performed autopsy.
and other consultants
 :cry:
We have to find them!

the only s. smith from LAPD i hav found is this one working with trafic it seems...
"South Traffic Division, Detective S. Smith at 323-290-6063. "
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cant find him if you serach LAPD´s homepage
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Quote from: "Truth_Freedom"
There are some shady things about this report: The top says that MJ has all of his natural teeth (the certificate portion). The PDF version says that he had dental implants(ceramic teeth) and some add ons which we know are true...as MJ's teeth changed over the years. That's major...dental records. So how come on the certificate portion of the report..he has all of his natural teeth and in the detailed account he is missing teeth. He also did not look to be 136 pounds at the supposed time of death...that's BS!!! There are many off things. It has also been stated that MJ "died" the morning of the 25th of June 2006. He was pronounced dead in the afternoon but was already found dead at 9:30-10am PST according to his sister Janet.

Many, many off things about this.

i have not read the report yet so forgive me, but i thought mike had natural teeth, no jordan super white, perfect teeth?
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Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Cant remember if this was said in here already, but didnt someone say in a previous thread that MJ was allowed to witness surgeries on other people? If this is true then maybe he was waiting for that certain individual who was his "twin" who was in very poor health and when this person died,,,mj jumped on it..... now we have our MJ look alike.  

I know, its out there but what the hey...
I have had that feeling for a very long time. Souza and Mo said that MJ had a twin, but I think this person had the plastic surgeries instead of MJ. Remember there was a break between the Thriller and Bad era. This would give the look alike a chance to know MJ's movements.  I remember Kai Chase said the staff was not allowed upstairs. Also, Mj wasn't in his bedroom.
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Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
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Quote from: "Muinasjutumaja"
Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
What a difficult nick you have :)
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But when you get older you get smaller. My grandma is now almost one head smaller than me :D
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OKAY, EVERBODY! THAT\'S A WRAP!

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I posted this in another thread but as there seem to be multiple threads about this and this one is the most popular, I will post it here too:

I have been looking over this report and so far a few things that have stood out that seem odd:


Page 1: Facial Hair - Unshaven
unshaven - not shaved
shaved, shaven - having the beard or hair cut off close to the skin

Page 14: A moustache and beard are absent

He looked clean shaven to me in the ambulance photograph...
So someone gave him a shave between the initial examination and the autopsy?


Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...


Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.

So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.

Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.

The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.

Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.

I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?

Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.


Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?

Page 27:
A.  Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part

Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.

So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.


B.    Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure

So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.


Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE                   DRUG              LEVELS UNITS
Bases                      Lidocaine          1.6       mg
Propofol                  Propofol             0.13    mg

Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?

Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though.

The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination.  The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
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Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.

I am going to reread it again and see if i notice anything else that seems unusual. I will get back to you on this.
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Quote from: "Muinasjutumaja"
Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
woh realy good point
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Quote from: "Muinasjutumaja"
Today I finished reading the autopsy results and some things did not seem right.But  ofcourse it is just my opinion.
The autopsy report stated that in 2009 june his weight was 136lb(61,7 kg)  but in 2003 when he was charged with **** he weighed 120lb(54,4 kg) and I strongly believe that in june 2009 Mike was thinner than in 2003 .I am  also wondering about his height.....The autopsy report stated that he was  5``9 tall but back in 2003 he was measured 5``11 .HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE...c``mon people he aint no Benjamin Button  :D
What a difficult nick you have :)
:D I know :D It means The House of Fairy Tales ............ ;)
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I wrote your name in the sky,
but the wind blew it away.
I wrote your name in the sand,
but the waves washed it away.
I wrote your name in my heart,
and forever it will stay.

Quote from: "CC"
AT PAGE 37 DATE WAS RE WRITTEN :?

I noticed this as well, the date clearly originally said 4-20, written over to look like 6-26.  The year looks illegible, it looks more like a 4 or a 1 rather than a 9.

Also, that medical report, the autopsy checklist, and the illustrations do not have the patient's name on them and the comment boxes have been whited out.  You can tell that they used to have something typed or written in them.

Other inconsistencies that I noticed ( I think other people mentioned them too but I'll recap them anyway)

1. On the first page it says he was "unshaven".  Later on it says, "mustache and beard ABSENT"

2. The report says CPR was performed on the FLOOR, then 911 was called.  We all know that according to the 911 call, CPR was attempted on the BED.

3. This autopsy report matches the one that was first leaked months ago, that the coroner stated was most definitely FAKE.  Also, remember the statement he gave that any autopsy report leaked would be fake.
Remember the second one that came out that contradicted the first one?  This leads me to something else I noticed:
This autopsy report matches the leaked one months ago, right?  Where it said he was balding, thin, with tatooed scalp?  It also made out like Michael was a sickly, emaciated, ailment ridden shadow of his former self.  Then the second leaked autopsy report contradicted the first one, saying that Michael was a normal, healthy, fit man.
This THIRD autopsy report matches the second one as well, in that in every completed finding showed Michael to be fairly healthy, with nothing wrong.
It seems as if TMZ had this report the whole time, and falsely "leaked" the other two, making exaggerated statements in both reports that in the end both fit this final, third autopsy report.  I hope I'm making sense.

My take?  I think perhaps that TMZ had this "report" the whole time.  I think maybe it is a fake report, I think that there is no way that TMZ would be able to obtain a legal, classified document and post in on the internet without facing legal charges.  If this report is real, the Jackson family should come out and sue TMZ.  What about Michael's children being able to read this, on the internet for everyone to see?  Wouldn't all of you sue?  Would the the Jackson family REALLY sit back and let Michael's autopsy report circulate the internet?  I sincerely hope not.

Nothing about this is right.  All of you on this forum seemed to be getting awfully close to the truth of what's been happening.  Then all in one day, Michael's on the TMZ RIP list, Murray is convicted, and oh, here's Michael's full autopsy report!  It just seems a little too convenient.  I don't know.  :?
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