Let's Go Back To The 911 Call

[mehere]

I am checking on something.  Did the person who called 911 use a cell phone?  If I'm not mistaken weren't the phones in the house...MJs bedroom disconnected?

[mjj29081958]

IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!

Looooots of sence!!!!

[MJLover1990]

IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!

I absolutely agree with you!

[MJJ1982]

IMO, the operator would be very misinformed to hang up because there's no way to verify that Murray was even a doctor in the first place (no matter what the caller may have said).
Also, red flags should have definitely been raised in the operator's mind when he was told that CPR was being performed on a bed. that's ridiculous!
if this call was real, then i would be very afraid to call 911 in that area, thats for sure!

Exactly!!!!! You took the words right out of my mouth  

A cardiologist performing CPR on a bed.... I'm sorry  :lol:

[pyt777]

Hey guys

I sent this email to mjfanforeverandaday last night in response to her part 6 video 911 call (prt 2):

Can't believe I am just researching this! I was so upset at what SEEMED to be a departure from proper 911 procedure! Turns out it's standard procedure! Please don't be turned off by the length, most of it is quotes!  :lol:

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Good Day,

(lol, it's night here) I first off want to say that I enjoy your videos. I was watching them over again this evening, when I decided to check something- I don't recall if you addressed it again in any of your videos, but since I believe that you are after the truth I just wanted to point out to you that some of the things that you found "off" in the 911 call are actually standard procedure. Here is a website that you can check: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  I have also checked other websites and they basically say the same thing, I chose this one because it was the only one I could find about those procedures in the state of California.  Even though I am aware that this is the Nevada County Fire District , as I said other websites confirm these procedures.

It shows that dispatchers are expected to ask the caller for a contact number ( I found this strange also! however, I read on another site that it is because some people call from cellphone- maybe not all cellphone have GPS?). The second point is that the caller is expected to remain on the line until the dispatcher tells you to hang up: "Once the call is transferred to CDF, the dispatcher will gather information, including the nature and location of the emergency, your name and callback number, and any other helpful information. Typically, after the information is gathered, the dispatcher will have the caller hang up the phone. If you are in need of additional medical assistance (i.e.: performing CPR, control bleeding, etc.), CDF dispatchers are trained in Emergency Medical Dispatching, and they will remain on the line to assist you further".  ......Remember that a "doctor" was present and therefore had a higher authority in MJ's case

In addition the site also says that "two or more dispatchers will monitor your call. While one dispatcher is talking to the caller, the other dispatcher is dispatching the information into the computer system, which will advise which resources to send to the emergency. This speeds up the dispatch process, which allows you to receive emergency assistance in minutes.". This may explain ONE of the other voices on the tape...excepting of course what SOUNDS like...can't be sure "he's dead". To be honest I didn't hear that until you put it in my head!!! '

I am not sure if the noise that sounds like a voice on the two separate occasions- after "CPR, ok" and "he's dead(?)", (except Dr. Murray sounding panicky) is the same voice or they belong to two different persons. I am trying to get a friend who works in a studio to help me to figure this out!

I hope this helps!


P.S.- This is her video in case anyone was interested in watching it again: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

[zillajo]

It may be different since there was an actual doctor there with him.  They have authority over a 911 operator.  Imo, I don't think the 911 call was fake...I don't see how it could be.

As others have mentioned in this thread, it wouldn't make a difference if there was a doctor on the scene or not. There is no way to verify that Dr. Conrad Murray is really licensed or not. Typical 911 protocol says that the dispatcher is not supposed to hang up with the caller until help arrives.

It IS possible that this could be a mistake on the dispatcher's part [ANYTHING is possible at this point], but probable? No, I think not.

If this was a mistake, would they at least acknowledge it?

[knowhesalive]

Well i thought i'd better check it out whether the 911 are allowed to hang up when there is a doctor in the house, soo i've called the danish police and asked them " if there is a doctor in the house are the 911 thingie allowed to hang up before the ambulance has arrived". Here is the policemans answer: NO it's illegal.. If there is a doctor in the house, you should put the doctor on the phone ( if there is a sudden change= health, breathing, etc etc) so the 911 thingie can tell the paramedics if something changes...

Okay i hope you understand what i'm writing.. I'm making christmas cookies and they are almost burned :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[ILuvUMoreMJ]

I'm pretty sure it's not illegal for the operators to hang up in the US.  It's most likely just a judgement call.  The operator said on the recording that the doctor had a higher authority than him.  Why on earth would he question whether or not he was a real doctor if that's what he's being told?  Plus at that point the ambulance was only 1 minute away.  I just don't think this is a big deal.

[MJJ1982]

Well, everyone can say that there's a doctor in the house, so they just can't take any risk.
IMO, the operator had to ask for the doc to take the phone.

[angelshadow]

These 911 emergency calls is a farce

[ILuvUMoreMJ]

Well, everyone can say that there's a doctor in the house, so they just can't take any risk.
IMO, the operator had to ask for the doc to take the phone.

But why would anyone call 911 for help and then lie about there being a doctor with them?  I don't understand the reasoning.

[becca26]

A few day's ago when I was approcing my job I saw Disney security outside (I work on property in FL) they had a man on the floor on his back, my bosses were just putting back the difibulator, the paramedic's got there shortly after. I was asking someone else what had happend, he said the man was sweating, then urinated on him self then fell to the ground. It just stuck out to me that Disney security knew how to have the man on the ground to do cpr, and have the sense to ask if we as resturant might I add if we have a difibulator, but a doctor whom works with hearts does'nt have one on him.  :?  My boss said the difibulator is self explainatory to use as well, the paramedics were putting all shorts of Ivs in him, he had to of had a least 6 to 7 guys there, and they did not wait 45 mins to take him to the hospitable. I don't know if he made it, they said he was breathing when they were putting him on the strecher. I hope he is ok.

[lisap27]

on a documentry i watched before it had the 911 call.. or a version of it should we say.. and the operator asked the security guard

"was he on the floor.. "
"no"
"well get him on the floor"

and obviously they still didn't so it!! also i'm not sure who said it.. said that Murray had one hand underneath Michaels back an the other hand was on his chest doing chest compressions!! NOWAY!! is that possible!! they also commented on how a Dr should know how to do CPR properly.. And questioned why the security guard rang 911 and talked to the operator an not the DR..  :roll:

[sk2001]

hey fellow believers, we already find that the 911 call was weird. chk this out.
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its a transcript from the 911 call for mike tyson's daughter. sorry its a little graphic but to prove my point, even though the kid's mom says she knows how to perform cpr, the emergency operator is on the phone all the time telling her to continue doing it till the peramedics come to take over. now in MJ's situation, the operator could have said keep performing cpr till the peramdics who are on their way get there. does this make sense guys? sorry if i'm reading too much into it.

[TheKingWillReturn]

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Clip about Dr?? C Murray