ambuance photo again!!

[the arabian nights]

i am posting this on all ambulance threads to get your opinions,

the ambulance has a mystery guy shielding his face when he leave the ambulance after mike, strange.

but how many pp were in the ambulance :

mj, dr murray, 2 ambulance man in the back, and the mystery guy

why would he shield his face

why weren't any medical staff meeting mike when he came off the ambulance?

[QuirkyDiana]

i am posting this on all ambulance threads to get your opinions,

the ambulance has a mystery guy shielding his face when he leave the ambulance after mike, strange.

but how many pp were in the ambulance :

mj, dr murray, 2 ambulance man in the back, and the mystery guy

why would he shield his face

why weren't any medical staff meeting mike when he came off the ambulance?

I have looked at this before. The conclusion i came to was that this mystery person seems to actually be another security person. The mystery person looks like he is leaving the ambulance when in fact he is coming in front of it (from the right, moving in front) when you look at the moving footage. This means, if true, he is not coming out of the ambulance, he is coming across it, copying the other security guard's actions who is behind him - protecting MJ. The security guard/mystery person -  you can see the outline of his face and his tie can be seen through the glass in the door. He wears a white shirt and is facing the ambulance.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sorry no link to moving footage, can someone provide it?

[QuirkyDiana]

Also, regarding not being able to see through the windows. If you pause at 5.03 (don't concentrate on the time, focus on the window of the ambulance) as someone moves into the window filming you can actually see the paramedic and the badge on his arm through the glass. This kind of suggests that you can see through those windows with a lens. Hopefully this will end the speculation on this point.

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[alovesmichael]

So what you're saying is that the photo is real? Even if it is all possible doesn't facts support that it's false more than real? Just wondering, not stating anything

[Raven]

Also, regarding not being able to see through the windows. If you pause at 5.03 (don't concentrate on the time, focus on the window of the ambulance) as someone moves into the window filming you can actually see the paramedic and the badge on his arm through the glass. This kind of suggests that you can see through those windows with a lens. Hopefully this will end the speculation on this point.

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Agree Quirky, not just that but you can also see reflections of the street in the window in the pic. I also think the ambulance picture is genuine.

[LadyMedic]

So what you're saying is that the photo is real? Even if it is all possible doesn't facts support that it's false more than real? Just wondering, not stating anything

What facts would consider it more fake than real?

[alovesmichael]

So what you're saying is that the photo is real? Even if it is all possible doesn't facts support that it's false more than real? Just wondering, not stating anything

What facts would consider it more fake than real?

Such as the red light reflection when there wasn't even any red cars (or other vehicles) present on that side of the ambulancs (there's footage of the camera man actually taking the so called picture). I think someone on this forum who's a photographer pointed this out and said that reflection would be impossible in this case. The fact that it looks like a muck younger Michael, even if it's not that clear. Brian Oxaman stating that it's a fake photo, ok that's not really a fact but just someone close to the family that agrees though. I'm not saying it's not real because I'm not sure but these things make me wonder...

[QuirkyDiana]

Just my opinion on MJ's appearance. In his later years, i always thought that the make-up he wore sometimes aged him. I think he looks quite a bit younger when he wears little or no make-up. At the O2 conference and at some points in TII he appears to wear a lot of make-up, and this makes him look older. Also, perhaps the lighting on stage casts shadows on his face that make it look more hollow and angular and also older. In the ambulance pic, you would expect him to be wearing no make-up except that which is tattooed on his face. Perhaps it is this that makes his face appear younger.

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Regarding the number of people in the ambulance. You would suppose the ideal situation might be 2 paramedics attending patient for cpr, and 2 others available to manouver the stretcher independent of those doing cpr. That's 4 people. Someone has to drive anyway so we are only talking about an extra person needed in total. There were 4 people with the stretcher at the hospital, and at the house (on the vh1 crime scene footage) you can see a uniformed person with short ponytail loading the stretcher. I believe this person is the one we see attending the stretcher at the hospital.

There were also medical staff waiting inside the door at the hospital. Murray must have been in the back of the ambulance with the 2 paramedics. It is said they were following his orders. That would mean the other 2 guys had to sit in the front. It is possible.

[somekindofsign]

But then which one within these professional stuff was getting out of the ambo who needed to be hidden with a jacket?

[QuirkyDiana]

There is a red car like the one seen in the photo. As the photographer runs back to his car you can see it in the footage. The footage is shaky but it is there. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

@somekindofsign. The guy is a security guard, you can see the outline of his face and his tie can be seen through the glass in the door. He is facing the ambulance. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

He is not protecting anyone coming out. He is protecting the view that can be seen here. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login   He is aware that this person is filming and trying to get a view from the other side of the ambulance.

[Steph16]

The blood is in the tube because they oxeygenate it. They run it out of the body in a tube, oxeygenate it and flow it back in.

[mjj29081958]

The blood is in the tube because they oxeygenate it. They run it out of the body in a tube, oxeygenate it and flow it back in.

If you are referring to "Extra-Corporeal Circulation", I'm almost sure it can't be practiced in an ambulance... You can see he was intubated in order to oxigenate his blood.

[LadyMedic]

The blood is in the tube because they oxeygenate it. They run it out of the body in a tube, oxeygenate it and flow it back in.

mjj29081958 is totally correct. The blood in the tube is just venous backflow from the IV.

[mjj29081958]

Sorry, nevermind! I just realize you said just Ambulance questions.  

[spike21]

The picture is took from the side of the trunk when it's in the middle of the road, how can you have a prefect perpendicular reflection of the red car that is behind it  ?