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Quote from: "PureLove"Quote from: "ralu"Quote from: "MJ_ForeverandAlways"I just want to say I watched the videos above and the first one confuses me. According to that video giving the peace sign...(index and middle finger) is part of the Illuminati symbols? Also the round peace sign? If this is true, Michael was always doing the peace sign with his fingers. And I just watched a video on you tube that Travis Payne did with the prisoners at the Philippines detention center and at the end of the song they perform (They Don't Care About Us) they make a peace symbol. here is the link to the video - You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginSo if this is true that these symbols are associated with the Illuminati, then why did Michael use them all the time? Especially the two fingers? This is not giving me a good feeling right now!God & Love be with us all You see? Confusion...what is true, what is lie, what is the whole point, which is the real intention? Think twice about what was the real message from MJ ...Has LOVE anything to do with this?Confusion is better than sleeping To me, it's better to read and learn more and pick up the logical ones for yourself is the best way. There will be no confusion then. To me that peace sign is used for different things. It is used for Peace and also it is used by evil people with a sign of pentagram. It depends to the person who use that sign and for what. Michael does the V sign too but he uses it for Peace as we all know PureLove, please understand that I don't deny the existence of such things, but is my conclusion (based on my type of logic, which is not necessary the gospel) that what we see in those vids is not the real thing. For me confusion is the worst thing possible; it's like a nightmere with opened eyes...when you think you found something but then another possibility occures ...They know how human logic works and they use it as a weapon. For an instance: do you think it is imposible that Bush used those words in a totally different sense and they twisted them, they put his words out of the context to look how we see them right now? Don't missunderstand me: I'm not a political person AT ALL. For me politics = evil generally speaking. But my instincts tell me that many of those vids are meant to confuse us, to make us afraid...Look, now, whenever we see a nice person waiving the V sign, we will think not only to the joy of that person but also to Illuminaty. Whenever we will se the "make love not war" sign we will do the same. And you do not realize how all these bad energies we are issuing while we think negative are increasing their power. The power of the positive thinking is not a fary tale anymore. It is a fact. And they know this.Ok, these are my thoughts. I'm not trying to convince anybody to think like me, I don't like to argue either, coz I came in peace, only please be sure you do what your heart & mind is telling you to do.
Quote from: "ralu"Quote from: "MJ_ForeverandAlways"I just want to say I watched the videos above and the first one confuses me. According to that video giving the peace sign...(index and middle finger) is part of the Illuminati symbols? Also the round peace sign? If this is true, Michael was always doing the peace sign with his fingers. And I just watched a video on you tube that Travis Payne did with the prisoners at the Philippines detention center and at the end of the song they perform (They Don't Care About Us) they make a peace symbol. here is the link to the video - You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginSo if this is true that these symbols are associated with the Illuminati, then why did Michael use them all the time? Especially the two fingers? This is not giving me a good feeling right now!God & Love be with us all You see? Confusion...what is true, what is lie, what is the whole point, which is the real intention? Think twice about what was the real message from MJ ...Has LOVE anything to do with this?Confusion is better than sleeping To me, it's better to read and learn more and pick up the logical ones for yourself is the best way. There will be no confusion then. To me that peace sign is used for different things. It is used for Peace and also it is used by evil people with a sign of pentagram. It depends to the person who use that sign and for what. Michael does the V sign too but he uses it for Peace as we all know
Quote from: "MJ_ForeverandAlways"I just want to say I watched the videos above and the first one confuses me. According to that video giving the peace sign...(index and middle finger) is part of the Illuminati symbols? Also the round peace sign? If this is true, Michael was always doing the peace sign with his fingers. And I just watched a video on you tube that Travis Payne did with the prisoners at the Philippines detention center and at the end of the song they perform (They Don't Care About Us) they make a peace symbol. here is the link to the video - You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginSo if this is true that these symbols are associated with the Illuminati, then why did Michael use them all the time? Especially the two fingers? This is not giving me a good feeling right now!God & Love be with us all You see? Confusion...what is true, what is lie, what is the whole point, which is the real intention? Think twice about what was the real message from MJ ...Has LOVE anything to do with this?
I just want to say I watched the videos above and the first one confuses me. According to that video giving the peace sign...(index and middle finger) is part of the Illuminati symbols? Also the round peace sign? If this is true, Michael was always doing the peace sign with his fingers. And I just watched a video on you tube that Travis Payne did with the prisoners at the Philippines detention center and at the end of the song they perform (They Don't Care About Us) they make a peace symbol. here is the link to the video - You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginSo if this is true that these symbols are associated with the Illuminati, then why did Michael use them all the time? Especially the two fingers? This is not giving me a good feeling right now!God & Love be with us all
PureLove wrote; So you say that Michael's body language and all of the illuminati shapes, figures are NOTHING?! I'm sorry but I've read "articles" enough to make me believe illuminati and NWO. And president Bush says it with his own mouth how they created NWO! How could you people still keep on sleeping? And I DO think that those people in different parts of the world ARE wrong.I think we should leave a little television and go back to libraries, when you say that people are asleep, it is true is asleep, idiotic, blindly believe what they have in the media, media Which they own, look at when you talk about illuminati very few people know what they are talking about, they are the ones that move the economy, remove and put presidents, who are nothing but puppets of these people. Behind all the plans to destabilize governments in Latin America they are, behind the attempted coups that have lived here, are they, that if with the hand-gun for the CIA. If you want to debate with me on these issues stand at the order. :geek:
Quote from: "paula-c"Tigger, agree if Michael wanted to disappear and everyone thought he really died, would not have many clues or things that do not fit.On the subject of the Illuminati, though I definitely think there are, as a comment in my previous thread they control everything, large corporations, media, removed or made presidents, managing the global economy are Conspiring against democratically elected governments and they are uncomfortable, ... look that's well and who did not want to believe is his right, everyone is free to believe what they want Just for the record? I don't disagree with this at all. Relax, I'm already self educated and convinced. Nothing has really changed since the middle ages, only the packaging and wrapper. They were once called Kings, now they are called Presidents, CEO's, politicians and lawyers. They were once called paupers, now they are called the poor, common man, lower and middle working classes. The "haves" and the "have nots" still exist as they always have. Knowledge, education, talent and appetite are the tools you need to move from "have not" to "have" status but once accomplished, the God-loving and noble thing to do would be to help the "have nots". It's what I enjoy most and your ticket into Heaven, so I believe. My issue is just when ppl take things out of context and manipulate it for their own agenda (like my example of the Bush hand signs). Being the independent thinker and analytical type, I base my decisions on verifiable facts, not emotions. Especially not manipulated ones. Also for the record...the only TV that I watch are educational programs like Discovery, History (often rewritten) Channel, etc. I find these and books far more mentally stimulating. And as for Hollywood, other than the occasional mind blower movie like Avatar (highly recommended btw, so awesome I have seen it 4 times now) and a few sitcoms, they couldn't write a new classic script to save their butts! It's all junk now. The old black and whites still top my list and capture my attention. Guess that makes me an old fart - lol!
Tigger, agree if Michael wanted to disappear and everyone thought he really died, would not have many clues or things that do not fit.On the subject of the Illuminati, though I definitely think there are, as a comment in my previous thread they control everything, large corporations, media, removed or made presidents, managing the global economy are Conspiring against democratically elected governments and they are uncomfortable, ... look that's well and who did not want to believe is his right, everyone is free to believe what they want
Yes I also seen and read something about the alignement of planets and the pole shift induced even about a planet x or Nibiru coming in our system. It is said that they don't want us to be aware about that to avoid to create panic and to prevent us from being prepared. So it's not the end of the world but a BIG CHANGE... Don't know what to think anymore...
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