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Quote from: "Dangerous"I think this is real proof he is gone.I may have to agree, It maybe time to call it quits........
I think this is real proof he is gone.
I really don't think this shows anything. How can we really know if that woman is really the paramedic wife??? Internet has the ability that everybody can pretend to be someone they're not, as we've seen millions of MJ's around there that also "talk" very honestly and you could say that MJ is behind it but turn out that's another dissapointment. There's a lot of people working hard enough to make everybody believe MJ is really dead, they even now make YT videos treating the believers like a bunch of crazy people, so it's not far fetched that somebody else at the time made this posts, trying to make the story more believable, considering that not even ONE person in the house, the ambulance, the UCLA or the helicopter wanted to say anything.
2)Whoever worked on him when they got there, would be able to tell if someone was "gone" by their body temperature and whether or not rigor mortis had started to set in. So saying he thought he was gone before they got there, isn't a big step. The death certificate lists the time of death as announced by the physician. NOT the speculated time of death. So if he had been dead for weeks but only found on 6/25/09, his certificate would still say that he was pronounced dead on 6/25/09.
Quote from: "virgo75"2)Whoever worked on him when they got there, would be able to tell if someone was "gone" by their body temperature and whether or not rigor mortis had started to set in. So saying he thought he was gone before they got there, isn't a big step. The death certificate lists the time of death as announced by the physician. NOT the speculated time of death. So if he had been dead for weeks but only found on 6/25/09, his certificate would still say that he was pronounced dead on 6/25/09.However, his death certificate is marked ER/OP and not DOA
i recently did a basic life support course.. (for my job) and i asked the trainer even if someone is obviously dead i don't mean stinky and decaying i mean that they have died do you still work on them.. the answer i got was YES.. unless you know yourself that you cannot physically do CPR then it is to be attempted.. especially being a paramadic on the scene..the thing that threw me about her post is why would she need to mention they all had camera phones.. that seems irrelivant to me..on another note.. don't wanna sound disgusting but remember the bed photo taken by the family!! well i've been thinking about this, and it still had the sheets on etc before they took them.. and an obvious sign of a heart attack is loss of bowel control!! hence a lot of heart attack victims are found on the toilet.. this isn't speculation either its a fact.. not sure in every case.. but definatly a factor of a heart attack!! oh one more thing.. if this he had been dead for a while the sheets definatly would have been stained with body fluid leakage!! i have had experience with this!! and there was none on that picture!!
But it wasn't a heartattack though, if you go by reports, it was cardiac arrest which is not the same thing. I saw an interview with a doctor about the difference. I don't know if that changes any of your theories just thought I'd add that
The bit that gets me is, in the first one she writes"Jeff said they used everything in their paramedic kits and worked on him for 45 minutes taking turns doing chest compressions. He's pretty sure he was gone before they got there."How could he have been pretty sure he was gone before they got there? Also this is now in the present tense (he's), so this is now after the fact, in which case why would he and the crew worked on him for 45 minutes. Besides, we know that he wasn't "gone" because his death certificate would have indicated this. Also she makes it seem as if he was the chief paramedic - Jeff's ambulance, he was fielding calls, Jeff's crew, if this is the case and all these agency's kept phoning his fire station, they would obviously be able to find a list of personnel at the station (we know what the media are like), why hasn't his name been thrown all over the place?? HEADLINE "the man who tried to save Michael Jackson!". "They all had cellphones with cameras, but not one took a photo" - Firstly how would she know this, and secondly, no-one took a photo in the house, in the grounds, of the comotion outside or inside the hospital, which seems strange since they were there for 5 hours. But the only photo that came about was taken inside the ambulance of the computer screen which shows details of the emergency, so obviously one of them was out on a mission to take photos, so why didn't he take more, was there anything inside the house worth taking a picture of? He also managed to send her a text message 12 minutes after Michael was pronounced dead and 6 Minutes BEFORE TMZ officially broke the news! Also at 2:35pm it was reported that a Fire Official told the LA Times Michael Jackson was in the hospital and this was reported by AP, but this is 9 minutes after he was pronounced, and also 3 minutes before Mrs. Jeff got her text, so I don't really understand this situation. (Besides I didn't think you were supposed to use cellphones in a hospital, especially if you are a paramedic? :lol: )In the second one, how could you laugh off an accusation and make fun about selling "the last photo"??!! "Jeff and the guys laughed off the accusation... the first one who turns up with a new boat will be the prime suspect" - Yeah thats real funny... HOWEVER, she then writes - "...how frustrating it must be for celebrities to read all the lies printed about them in tabloids" Is she now saying she thinks its fake??!Also there's something about people not mentioning Michaels name in all of this, the 911 call, Jeff's wife, and even Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman Devin Gales would not confirm Michael's identity but said paramedics went to an address corresponding to the star's home at 12:21 pm and the person was taken to UCLA Medical Center (Reported by AFP)
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