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Quote from: "Grace"I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.What now?Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened. But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?Can't we calm down and get patient and wait? And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.[/color]Some great and helpful posts Grace, but this part I do not really understand. We are investigating here why Mike hoaxed his death, and unfortunately we HAVE to dig into his life, to see where he is coming from and what his purpose is. I know there is a bigger picture here, but everyone needs to understand WHY he does this. I was shocked when I read about all this and I am sure there are a LOT of people that didn't know this either.We need to make people aware what is happening to the world and I believe Mike is showing us by showing his own life. Believe me, I have felt guilty many times by investigating all his features and habits, but if I hadn't done it, I would never have known what I know now. I needed to take him apart to see the bigger picture, others might as well need to do that. We all have a path we need to walk to get our eyes opened. I live in a very good neighborhood, I always have. My world has been small and safe all my life. The news I have watched all my life turns out to be manipulated. I have always been skeptical about a lot of thing, but since June 25 I started thinking about it, about the BS they tell us. How did I get this far now? By digging into Mike's life, by investigating almost every inch of his body. Do I feel guilty about that? Yes, in a way. Am I disgraceful? No. I have had a terrible few weeks reading up on all this. I have the utmost respect for Mike and I will defend him to the bone, no matter what. Mo & I have never been disgraceful, unlike a lot of people might think. His story has to be told, to let people see the problems we are facing in this world. And yes, it starts with ourselves, you are right about that, but everyone needs that little push to get away from their TV screen.
I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.What now?Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened. But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?Can't we calm down and get patient and wait? And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.[/color]
Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "Grace"I am touched by the microscopic way we are taking Michael apart in many aspects.Not only appearance, performance, skin, eyes, moves, apparel, hairstyle, wigs and on and on it goes.Now we are dissecting his psychic being. And whether he did this or that due to this or that external (of course malicious) influence. We are in fact saying that he was a puppet on the string when in the same moment we are saying that he was controlling what he did.What now?Doesn't this give you some bad taste in your mouth?I know that we all want to know why 6/25 happened. But weren't we given (as a gift for us) already so many indications of what went on, what is going on and what will be going on?Can't we calm down and get patient and wait? And let Michael be where he is for his reasons and come back or not for his reasons?What kind of love is this digging and digging into the other? Just asking.We want to know and we will know one day. But not by taking him apart. This is disgraceful IMHO.[/color]Some great and helpful posts Grace, but this part I do not really understand. We are investigating here why Mike hoaxed his death, and unfortunately we HAVE to dig into his life, to see where he is coming from and what his purpose is. I know there is a bigger picture here, but everyone needs to understand WHY he does this. I was shocked when I read about all this and I am sure there are a LOT of people that didn't know this either.We need to make people aware what is happening to the world and I believe Mike is showing us by showing his own life. Believe me, I have felt guilty many times by investigating all his features and habits, but if I hadn't done it, I would never have known what I know now. I needed to take him apart to see the bigger picture, others might as well need to do that. We all have a path we need to walk to get our eyes opened. I live in a very good neighborhood, I always have. My world has been small and safe all my life. The news I have watched all my life turns out to be manipulated. I have always been skeptical about a lot of thing, but since June 25 I started thinking about it, about the BS they tell us. How did I get this far now? By digging into Mike's life, by investigating almost every inch of his body. Do I feel guilty about that? Yes, in a way. Am I disgraceful? No. I have had a terrible few weeks reading up on all this. I have the utmost respect for Mike and I will defend him to the bone, no matter what. Mo & I have never been disgraceful, unlike a lot of people might think. His story has to be told, to let people see the problems we are facing in this world. And yes, it starts with ourselves, you are right about that, but everyone needs that little push to get away from their TV screen.Thank you Souza for your reply, you took the words right out of my mouth. Calm down, get patient and wait is exactly the opposite of what Mike wants us to do. I'm really starting to wonder why we are urged to do so, but statements like these only encourage me to go on and follow the path you and I have chosen to walk! Let's continue!
~Hello All,I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart. I know whereof I speak.........Gabriel
I would also like 2 add that he has been "degraded" his whole adult life, let's not forget the photos during the 1st allegations, so what we are doing is far from that. We are looking into his life in a positive way to get a better undertand of him as a man, not the sub human person the media tried to make him. We are not "prying" To knock him down like they did. We are trying to build him back upIdk about you but the more I learn the more I respect him. Pre june 25th I loved mike as a performer only, now that I am "discovering the man I never knew" words can not discribe the admiration I have for him! And I really hope he is with the NBP because we, especially black people, need it!
Quote from: "Gabriel Walker"~Hello All,I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart. I know whereof I speak.........GabrielI appreciate what you are saying and somewhat agree but it doesn't take away the akward feeling of dissection. Don't know if you ever, during biology classes maybe, dissected something or scrutinized it. Somehow, sometimes, it feels as if I'm invading his privacy, and being a fan is no excuse for doing so...Besides I don't think Grace's post has anything fan based about it, it is more about respect and about the way she feels about the whole thing and I, along with other people, happen to agree with her point of view..
And for the record, I don't think we are INVESTIGATORS, we are just people, not professionals (hence some misunderstandings..lol) who liked (as a European, I liked him, not loved him, I love my husband and like Michael... small but huge difference )his music, his genius, his way of thinking .
And let's all be honest about it, we all want to know what went down that day and we all want to know how Michael is etc., but I doubt if those sincere feelings of worry give us the right to dissect him... Some things are really very personal and better left that way. and Michael for one, sometimes even obsessively guarded his privacy..
And for the life of me, I can't see the importance of 'golden pants' on this INVESTIGATION site as you put it, nor how his children look, or whether they are his or are they black or white... c'mon, these things are in no way related to the events of 6/25, they are just what they are..private, no more, and certainly no less..
Thanks to all for taking the time to comment. I think however in some aspect I could not get across what I am thinking.I am not comfortable with taking Michael apart. If I could I would rather run and hide him from more and deeper microscopes.Tattering on negative intention was done to him so many times that I am wondering whether he didn't get any walrus skin already. I think he didn't. But maybe this time he was willing to let it all happen because the cause is bigger than his personal ego. I don't know.I know that we are not intending to hurt him by looking into his life. But it will hurt anyway. And this is my concern.Because this is the last thing that should happen - getting hurt from those you love.You have noticed well that I am not saying we should sit and do nothing.The contrary is the case. We should get up and stand tall and get heard and unite our voices and get our feet, hands and brains working. But not to get into action concerning Michael - this is what I mean: can't we leave him in peace as much as possible and wait patiently for him to come back in his time? How can we protect him if at all?And meanwhile do what is necessary? Not in direction to Michael but to what we have identified as required action? And what's about the consequences for us as individual and as a group then - what is the required action, how should it be organized - if - are we yet clear on this?Where are we going from here?
Quote from: "Gabriel Walker"~Hello All,I see where Grace is coming from in her last post, and indeed I've been very impressed by the intelligent and eloquent way Grace has expressed views on how humanity can lift it's eyes from our somewhat narrow and self involved path.HOWEVER, I do wish to take issue that we are somehow 'degrading' Michael by the amount of analysis which has taken place post 6/25. The site is an INVESTIGATION site, that is it's purpose. ~Although Michael is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinised by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people were invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.Souza and Mo are , I believe, trying to remain as dispassionate as they can in order to unravel what I am sure is a series of events which are leading to an examination of what was EVER true in our world, and Michael's.They really have a job on their hands here, but they do this with good grace and with a heart. I know whereof I speak.........GabrielI appreciate what you are saying and somewhat agree but it doesn't take away the akward feeling of dissection. Don't know if you ever, during biology classes maybe, dissected something or scrutinized it. Somehow, sometimes, it feels as if I'm invading his privacy, and being a fan is no excuse for doing so...Besides I don't think Grace's post has anything fan based about it, it is more about respect and about the way she feels about the whole thing and I, along with other people, happen to agree with her point of view..And for the record, I don't think we are INVESTIGATORS, we are just people, not professionals (hence some misunderstandings..lol) who liked (as a European, I liked him, not loved him, I love my husband and like Michael... small but huge difference )his music, his genius, his way of thinking .And let's all be honest about it, we all want to know what went down that day and we all want to know how Michael is etc., but I doubt if those sincere feelings of worry give us the right to dissect him... Some things are really very personal and better left that way. and Michael for one, sometimes even obsessively guarded his privacy..And for the life of me, I can't see the importance of 'golden pants' on this INVESTIGATION site as you put it, nor how his children look, or whether they are his or are they black or white... c'mon, these things are in no way related to the events of 6/25, they are just what they are..private, no more, and certainly no less..
Hey , I guess I was just grateful the lala lady thought I'd attended school in the first place!Maybe it's not too late and I could go to a biology class and get me some of that there 'edumacation'. I'll investigate that possibility.LiefeG
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