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JAK

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Ha ha ha

Sorry JAK, it was hard to explain, as we are starting to talk about intangible things and feelings (and English is obviously not my mother tongue). I just meant that this feelings or energies are natural and have always been there. But this world doesn´t pay attention to them or denies them, and so we´re not used to them and sometime we can react against or go on defensive, but it´s not dangerous but enriches us.

I feel happy for you feeling stronger.
I recently had a similar situation.
How was that about the five steps?
negation, negotiation, acceptance... don´t know what.

About alien heads...  :lol: :shock:  :lol: :shock:  :lol:
(this is ET me laughing)

Okay, I understand you now.

And it's very difficult to explain the dangerous part.  But that's not an important place to go right now.  

Eventually I will finish my little novella about some of my experiences and post it.
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I don't always have time to check in on the forum so it seems that I am always playing "catch up".  Somewhere along the way I've lost sight of what the orginal reasoning was for MJ (and possibly the siblings) being subjected to mind control.

In other words -- by who and for what reason was MJ being subjected to mind control?  Goal?
I'm not discounting any of the theories but with all of the info, my head feels like it's going to explode and find myself unclear as to what the alleged original objective was in using MJ and for what purpose.  For me, I feel that the theorie(s) have gone in so many directions that the circle needs to be closed regarding to whatever original purposes MJ was being "used" for.

I apologize in advance if this seems to be clear to others but as I stated, for me, I seem to have lost track regarding this. Maybe others have as well.  I know that I post this request with some trepidation but anyway here goes....thanks.

I  apreciate this post.  I think maybe it got a little overlooked.  We can debate things all we want "was Michael/family under mind control, etc.?"  But we must keep in mind what would be the purpose behind it?  Well how can we know exactly what he was used for?  Hollywood stars have for a long time been used in these projects.  Both male and female.  We see them mostly in the females.  It's hard to know exactly what the guys are used for.

So what would the govt's purpose for Michael be?  Influence, influence, influence (and probably other things)!  Hollywood has a LOT of influence on the population, as we know.  As a mind control slave, he would do their bidding in whatever way they wanted.  But all of a sudden, Michael turned it around on them.  Now Michael knew too much, and they went after him.  We don't know what their purpose for him was.  We may never know.  If he ever comes back, he may or may not tell us what that was.  it's possible that he may not even know, until he is completely reintegrated.  

The circle of this question cannot close until the question of WHY? can be answered.
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"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim. "
So said Aliester Crowley, infamous Satanist, and high ranking Mason. Crowley taught through the Freemasons of whom he was a most highly respected member about the right way to perform blood sacrifices. Crowley’s prodigy, Anton LeVay was making inroads into the Hollywood entertainment industry at top levels of influence. It is from these roots that Satanism in entertainment arose, including the music industry.

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JAK wrote:
I  apreciate this post.  I think maybe it got a little overlooked.  We can debate things all we want "was Michael/family under mind control, etc.?"  But we must keep in mind what would be the purpose behind it?  Well how can we know exactly what he was used for?  Hollywood stars have for a long time been used in these projects.  Both male and female.  We see them mostly in the females.  It's hard to know exactly what the guys are used for.

So what would the govt's purpose for Michael be?  Influence, influence, influence (and probably other things)!  Hollywood has a LOT of influence on the population, as we know.  As a mind control slave, he would do their bidding in whatever way they wanted.  But all of a sudden, Michael turned it around on them.  Now Michael knew too much, and they went after him.  We don't know what their purpose for him was.  We may never know.  If he ever comes back, he may or may not tell us what that was.  it's possible that he may not even know, until he is completely reintegrated.  

The circle of this question cannot close until the question of WHY? can be answered.[/quote]


I think that the part that I am having trouble with is this...Yes, I get the theory that MJ (and others) are "used" for influence.  But influence what? how?  For me personally, I don't think that Hollywood influences me -- maybe I'm wrong.

I do tend to have a questioning mind and don't just accept things at face value, a trait that got me in trouble as a young child in parchial school when I was questioning things we were being told about our religion.  I was told to just accept what we were being taught and I rebutted by telling the teacher that God gave us a mind and that I was using what he gave me.  So maybe my confusion stems from the fact that I just can't relate to the concept of being "led blindly".
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@city.gal1
Maybe I can share something to help
We don’t  have to go as deep as Illuminati to examine how people are influenced without even knowing that it is taking place.

 I work in Marketing. Within that field, we conduct research, study customer lifestyles, preferences and spending habits. We then establish plans to basically influence the public in all aspects of their everyday life. Marketing works to encourage the public on which shampoo to use on their hair ,  which restaurants to dine in and everything else in between. The best marketing is the subtle form since no one wants to have anything shoved down their throats. It is most successful when customers believe that it was all their  idea.  

Consider  gambling casinos as a classic example of how influence reaches the public:
- There are bright lights to keep the guests wide-eyed and alert.
-There are loud noises from the slot machines to inform guests that someone  has hit the jackpot and how they can do it too if they keep playing a game.
- No clocks or windows are present so that guests lose track of time and forget that their early evening visit has now turned into late evening.  
-Credit card and debit card machines are located throughout so that the guests will have access to money and continue gambling.
-Restrooms are located in the far reaching corners of the room and guests must walk past many game tables and slot machines as they head toward the restroom and back again.
-Alcohol is free to guests so that they can drink plenty and  loosen up their inhibitions as they gamble.  

Some members may have frequented casinos many times yet never  realized that all of this was taking place just for them. The best influence is the soft and subtle variety that sneaks up without the target realizing that it has happened.
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Quote from: "city.gal1"
JAK wrote:
I  apreciate this post.  I think maybe it got a little overlooked.  We can debate things all we want "was Michael/family under mind control, etc.?"  But we must keep in mind what would be the purpose behind it?  Well how can we know exactly what he was used for?  Hollywood stars have for a long time been used in these projects.  Both male and female.  We see them mostly in the females.  It's hard to know exactly what the guys are used for.

So what would the govt's purpose for Michael be?  Influence, influence, influence (and probably other things)!  Hollywood has a LOT of influence on the population, as we know.  As a mind control slave, he would do their bidding in whatever way they wanted.  But all of a sudden, Michael turned it around on them.  Now Michael knew too much, and they went after him.  We don't know what their purpose for him was.  We may never know.  If he ever comes back, he may or may not tell us what that was.  it's possible that he may not even know, until he is completely reintegrated.  

The circle of this question cannot close until the question of WHY? can be answered.


I think that the part that I am having trouble with is this...Yes, I get the theory that MJ (and others) are "used" for influence.  But influence what? how?  For me personally, I don't think that Hollywood influences me -- maybe I'm wrong.

I do tend to have a questioning mind and don't just accept things at face value, a trait that got me in trouble as a young child in parchial school when I was questioning things we were being told about our religion.  I was told to just accept what we were being taught and I rebutted by telling the teacher that God gave us a mind and that I was using what he gave me.  So maybe my confusion stems from the fact that I just can't relate to the concept of being "led blindly".[/quote]

I know what you mean about questioning things, and all that.  In fact I teach my children the same.  They have a mind.  They must use it if they are to truly learn and grow.

I remember doing the same thing in school that you did...being the constant "why?" person.  And I look back, and I don't think that most of the time, the teachers themselves had the "why" answers!  Something being "just is and shut up" has been repeated over the past several generations.  So that is all that teachers have known, too.  As such, even though I was an overall good student, I did not understand a lot of the things that were being shoved down my throat.  They did not make sense.  But as a result of self-teaching as an adult, I have actually learned much more than what I parroted back as a kid.  And so now, if I have a "why" question, I go looking for the answers.  Sometimes, it is not hard at all.  Other times, it is extremely difficult.

As for Hollywood, it does not really influence me, either.  it isn't something i pay much attention to or idolize.  Most of These people are not role models in any shape or form; most are slaves.  But, a very large portion of our population is quite fine with being led blindly, not asking why, and with Hollywood stars being the trend-setters in thought, fashion, bodies, and all kinds of things.  Their influence is ENORMOUS.  Teens are most susceptable to this, and so they are the target audience.  If you desensitize the star to moral perversion, show them for the world to see, have the kids idolize them, therefore desensitizing THEM, then you have successfully bred a generation of desensitized, demoralized, blind robots.  A people who won't see when the govt. screws with their rights and freedoms as they are taken away right under their noses.
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I have a question.  Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati?  I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
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I have a question.  Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati?  I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.

Did you watch the Grammys..?  If not, please youtube the performances...
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Quote from: "jill"
I have a question.  Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati?  I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.

Did you watch the Grammys..?  If not, please youtube the performances...

hhmmm, do you mean the people who sang Earth song?
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("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

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No, I mean the entire show...  Here's an example, watch and listen:

[youtube:10k61ag0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyP64qQO6g[/youtube:10k61ag0]
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Yes, I did watch the grammys.  Most performances were disturbing to say the least.  However, not everyone in the audience did a spot on stage.  I know there are other performers out there that want no part of the Illuminati and what it stands for.  I was wondering if there is some idea of who is with Michael and who is not.  John Mayer, for example.  What side of the fence does he stand on?
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No, I mean the entire show...  Here's an example, watch and listen:

[youtube:2l49z30z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAyP64qQO6g[/youtube:2l49z30z]

the clip is gone whose performance was it?
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I have a question.  Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati?  I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
That's a good question! I watched the Grams but I'm too dumb to tell the difference.. I think it's possible that Gaga is against them..
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Quote from: "jill"
I have a question.  Do we have any idea what other performers in the music industry are fighting the Illuminati?  I feel is important to know who else may be standing with Michael against them.
That's a good question! I watched the Grams but I'm too dumb to tell the difference.. I think it's possible that Gaga is against them..

Yes, she is demonic at best!  Beyonce's performance was not much better!  I found it interesting they had Stevie Nix singing with Taylor Swift, almost as if she was there watching over her.   I really got a bad feeling about that.  I did read this morning that Taylor Swift has started dating John Mayer.  He told Larry King he had never met MJ, but was scheduled to open some of the 02 concert shows.  He was adament about that and seemed to be very nervous and uncomfortable in the interview.  Why would he deny any association with him unless out of fear?
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mj voice*" are you scared yet" :lol:

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Yes, she is demonic at best!
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