Michael Jackson - Man in the Mirror

[Vikki]

@TooBAD  I just posted what I saw and still see at some of his pictures : two different noses and different ears in some older pictures

[~Souza~]

I have looked at all the trial pictures a hundred times again (lol), and I think I agree with @TooBAD.

What I noticed looking at his pictures (and with that I mean the older, taller Michael since there aren't as many pictures of the younger, shorter one as far as I see) for 9+ years to try and figure out who is who, that sometimes he might look different but when you then look at other pictures from the same day, you can see it's him. I noticed that even though he has a pretty wide face with a big jawline, his face looks very narrow at a certain angle. The picture below was always suspect to me because of that and he looks way too short here since Lenny is only 5'8", but I realized later that Lenny often wears 3"heels. The angle of the picture makes Michael's face look much more narrow than it really is.

In some pictures his smile looks off but when looking at his hands in the same picture/shoot, they are swollen like balloons, so he was retaining a shit ton of water which made him look different:

While at a different day, where his hands are clearly less swollen, he starts to look like his old self again:

Also, his eyes look different sometimes due to his glaucoma, as you can see clearly in these pictures:

During the 2005 trial he was in a lot of pain, both physically and mentally, and that shows. The different lighting of many pictures doesn't help either. Plus we shouldn't forget that there are a gazillion pictures of him taken at random moments. If you'd do that with anyone, they would look different too in some pictures.
THAT SAID, I do believe there are pictures that we might think is him but is not and also not the other 'real' MJ. Besides the differences as explained above, the wigs and his contouring and make-up contributes to the mind fuck a lot and that, I believe, is what he did on purpose. It's much easier to make a good look-a-like look a lot more like you with plastic surgery and a shit ton of contouring and make-up. "If something is so unique it's easily copied." And it looks like that was mainly in the 00's. I don't think we see the younger brother in this era at all, maybe because they had some kind of fall out or something, so Michael needed a good double.

O2 guy was not Michael. I find a lot of pictures with sunglasses on to be suspect but what it gives away is O2 dude's smile. I am just not buying it, never have. Michael can stand right in front of me telling me it was him and I'd still call BS, not even he could convince me. The whole thing was just off.

Anyway, if anyone needs pictures to compare, we have a whole gallery: https://community.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/gallery/
Just hover over 'Explore' in the top left corner and you can pick the era. I also named all the pictures so you can use the search option as well. I don't think the trial pictures are on there yet though.

I am hoping to do a video on the differences this weekend but no promises!

[~Souza~]

https://mega.nz/#F!i2xCiCgB!RFR3y7_MLgIc923G6nEE-Q
I hope it works.

It does, that is great!

[~Souza~]

https://mega.nz/#F!i2xCiCgB!RFR3y7_MLgIc923G6nEE-Q
I hope it works.

It does, that is great!

Going through those dates, you see him go from strong, ready for battle and smiling to a very broken man. I had never seen these pictures like this in this order, thanks for sharing. Do you mind if I upload them to the gallery?

[TooBAD]

https://mega.nz/#F!i2xCiCgB!RFR3y7_MLgIc923G6nEE-Q
I hope it works.

It does, that is great!

Going through those dates, you see him go from strong, ready for battle and smiling to a very broken man. I had never seen these pictures like this in this order, thanks for sharing. Do you mind if I upload them to the gallery?

Sure, you can upload them :)

[TooBAD]

@~Souza~ I've never been sure about O2 either, so I understand well why you think it wasn't Michael. I agree with you, the smile was somehow off, but not in all pictures. There was probably plenty of makeup, and there were lights all over the place.
Just in case, I'll show some comparisons between O2 and trial MJ. Some pictures from O2 have the "real MJ" look to them. Judging by these I could say O2 was MJ... Through the years, Michael's side profile has always looked the same to me.

Taken from the right side:

(First, second and third picture, exactly the same upper teeth)

Left:

More left:

Smile & Teeth:

Cheek mole slightly visible under the sunglasses + Michael's fingernails/hands:

[~Souza~]

I see what you mean, I have looked at those pictures for a thousand hours. I can't see the eyes which is a piss-off. The mouth is very off to me. There is a different picture of O2 dude behind the curtain and with that one I have zero doubt it's Michael. The dude on stage though? Nah. Something is just not right. It's not the details but more the overall presence that is throwing me off. Not sure how to explain.

Not Michael:

Michael:

[TooBAD]

Sorry if I'm just text bombing you here... but I have more thoughts I really wanna share.

Maybe the curtain pic was taken when Michael was entering the stage? It's dark backstage, he would look more "natural" without the lights and all. I mean... there were some lights involved. His hair makes his head look strangely wide, and the hair isn't visible in the curtain pic where he looks like normal MJ. Also if someone saw 2 MJ's there, the crowd would have gone NUTS. Lights:

About the mouth, take a close look at the first two pics taken from the right side and the "More left" (mouth & lip shape) pics I posted. Why/how would they create an impostor with the same teeth? Also, if Michael had been planning the hoax, why would he create an exact double for himself, when he knows he's gonna disappear in a few months? I doubt no-one would really have willed to be "MJ" for the rest of his life. Seems a bit too far fetched to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPyoq9s-kA
Look at the video 1:22. When he nods to the guy apparently says "You're welcome". Really resembles what MJ would do.
He was probably really nervous there... As we know, Michael is shy + he hadn't done big public appearances lately.

Michael started to use his lower voice more during the 2000s. O2 voice compared to Superbowl 1993, it's the same. Someone's theory was, that Michael usually wanted to speak with a high voice to keep his vocals warmed up. Seems like a reason to me.

To me, sunglasses make the O2 appearance look odd. Obviously we can't see the eyes then. Back in the Dangerous Tour, when Michael was just standing there before "Jam", he also had the sunglasses on. I always thought that it looked odd, like a different man. When he took the glasses off, I was like oohh, it's him. Light stage make-up and sunglasses, same case at O2:

[~Souza~]

About the mouth, take a close look at the first two pics taken from the right side and the "More left" (mouth & lip shape) pics I posted. Why/how would they create an impostor with the same teeth? Also, if Michael had been planning the hoax, why would he create an exact double for himself, when he knows he's gonna disappear in a few months? I doubt no-one would really have willed to be "MJ" for the rest of his life. Seems a bit too far fetched to me.

I see differences in the teeth honestly. That sharp corner tooth is pointier on Michael's picture. Teeth are easy to fake/copy. I don't think he had an 'imposter' just for the This Is It announcement, I think we see this guy more often. And no one? Money buys a lot, I know that. Is it far fetched? Sure. Crazy even? I sure am by now. But I just don't see it. There are a few Michael's that look so much like him in detail during the 00's era but when you look at the full picture he just doesn't seem to be him. Again, I don't know how to explain, I might be bonkers.

[TooBAD]

Well, it's almost impossible to find a picture from the same angle.

The same line between the teeth. Still don't think?

[~Souza~]

Well, it's almost impossible to find a picture from the same angle.

The same line between the teeth. Still don't think?

No, still see tiny differences. But to me the teeth don't really matter, that is the easiest to do. Just rip out all the double's own teeth and give him a set of fakes. It's really the smile that throws me off. There are so many pictures of that appearance  and I can't find one picture that tells me it's Michael. Like I said, usually I see one picture that looks off, but when I look through the series I have no doubt. But with this dude, I still have doubts. Both appearance and behavior. Looking at the details you'd say it's him. But looking at the whole think? Nah. Who knows though, not much surprises me anymore these days.

[iamhere4mj]

Not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it does add to there possibly being two different people.

Why are there 10 children depicted? Bottom lower left shows 10 kids. This is the mural that was done for the Michael cd.

http://www.mjworld.net/wp-content/uploads/King-Of-Pop-Mural-Full-Kadir-Nelson.jpg

Love you Michael!

[Vikki]

two videos of the Bad Tour showing some differences... look at the shoulders and the slight difference in the voice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcGWOP39GG0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vF1LV-_tqU

[TooBAD]

Sorry, I don't hear any vocal tone difference between Yokohama and Kansas.

Here are some screenshots from both shows, sorry :Cool:

[Vikki]

Well, I can hear the difference in the voices 😉