MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare

[Rayanna_Rain]

Well he did have a brother before him that died after birth. Maybe he's talking about him.

[suspicious mind]

unless it's a half brother. did he happen to suggest how many sisters he had?

[mattie]

I dont post much..because i dont know how to write most of what i am thinking..and what i think i see from the beginning of the hoax.
I write it in Dutch..maybe someone wil translate it for me?

Vanaf het begin zie ik wat Souza ziet..en wat mensen ook zeggen met andere hoek van fotograferen..of foto shop??
Ik zie gewoon bij geen enkele beroemdheid deze constante verschillen.
In de video Bad zie ik verder in de video een andere Michael.

Bijvoorbeeld een paar dagen geleden zag ik weer deze vergelijking voorbij komen
Waarom als het fotoshop is maken ze de kin 2 x zo lang..als dit geen foto schop is krijgt geen andere hoek of belichting voor elkaar wat hier te zien is naar mijn idee?
Iets verschil ja..maar dit.
En wat ik me ook afvraag..hoe doet men dat met bewijs zoeken ivm criminaliteit dmv bewakings- camera's??
Als men alles kan weg redeneren door verkeerde hoek..belichting etc..heeft het dus ook totaal geen zin om dat nog te gebruiken. want dan kan het iedereen zijn behalve de dader?
ik heb 0,0 verstand van Foto..grafie/shop..maar ik vind het hoogst verwarrend..en ik blijf in ieder geval minstens 2 verschillende Michaels zien..ook in gedrag/uitstraling.

Ondanks dat ik hier mensen aan het werk zie die me blijven verbazen..en ik veel respect heb voor alle knappe koppen hier..ik kan ze soms moeilijk volgen(gaat boven mijn petje) :icon_e_geek:
Ze hebben mij niet kunnen overtuigen van het tegendeel..ik begrijp soms ook niet dat ze het ondanks dat het zo duidelijk is weg redeneren..
Sorry..wil niemand tegen de haren strijken..maar ik wou dit toch eens kwijt.
Ik blijf toch zien wat ik zie!
Groetjes Mattie.

[wishingstar]

I dont post much..because i dont know how to write most of what i am thinking..and what i think i see from the beginning of the hoax.
I write it in Dutch..maybe someone wil translate it for me?

Vanaf het begin zie ik wat Souza ziet..en wat mensen ook zeggen met andere hoek van fotograferen..of foto shop??
Ik zie gewoon bij geen enkele beroemdheid deze constante verschillen.
In de video Bad zie ik verder in de video een andere Michael.

Bijvoorbeeld een paar dagen geleden zag ik weer deze vergelijking voorbij komen
Waarom als het fotoshop is maken ze de kin 2 x zo lang..als dit geen foto schop is krijgt geen andere hoek of belichting voor elkaar wat hier te zien is naar mijn idee?
Iets verschil ja..maar dit.
En wat ik me ook afvraag..hoe doet men dat met bewijs zoeken ivm criminaliteit dmv bewakings- camera's??
Als men alles kan weg redeneren door verkeerde hoek..belichting etc..heeft het dus ook totaal geen zin om dat nog te gebruiken. want dan kan het iedereen zijn behalve de dader?
ik heb 0,0 verstand van Foto..grafie/shop..maar ik vind het hoogst verwarrend..en ik blijf in ieder geval minstens 2 verschillende Michaels zien..ook in gedrag/uitstraling.

Ondanks dat ik hier mensen aan het werk zie die me blijven verbazen..en ik veel respect heb voor alle knappe koppen hier..ik kan ze soms moeilijk volgen(gaat boven mijn petje) :icon_e_geek:
Ze hebben mij niet kunnen overtuigen van het tegendeel..ik begrijp soms ook niet dat ze het ondanks dat het zo duidelijk is weg redeneren..
Sorry..wil niemand tegen de haren strijken..maar ik wou dit toch eens kwijt.
Ik blijf toch zien wat ik zie!
Groetjes Mattie.

per Google translate:

From the beginning, I see what looks Souza .. and what people say with different angle of shooting .. or photo shop??
I just see no celebrity at this constant differences.
In the video Bad I see more in the video a different Michael.

For example, a few days ago I saw again this equation pass
Why when the photo shop is they make the chin .. 2 x as long as this is not a picture shovel is getting no angle or lighting for each other what you see here in my idea?
Yes .. but this little difference.
And what I also wonder .. how does one find that evidence related crime through surveillance cameras??
If everything can explain away by wrong angle .. lighting etc.. Has therefore absolutely no sense to still use. because it could be anyone except the perpetrator?
I have 0.0 sense of Foto..grafie / shop..maar I find it very confusing .. and I remain at least at least 2 different Michaels see .. also in behavior / appearance.

Although I see people at work that continue to amaze me .. and I have great respect for all smart people here .. I can sometimes be difficult to follow (overrides my hat)
They did not convince me to the contrary .. I understand sometimes not think she even though it is so clear away reasoning ..
Sorry .. no intention to hair iron .. but I wanted to do once lost.
I still see what I see!
Greetings Mattie.

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Have a great day : )
een geweldige dag

[mattie]

Thank you verry much Wishingstar..for trying to help.
and for you too a verry great day!


But you see why i did not used this.
The translation is so bad,i cant even read what i wrote myself   :LolLolLolLol:

[wishingstar]

Thank you verry much Wishingstar..for trying to help.
and for you too a verry great day!


But you see why i did not used this.
The translation is so bad,i cant even read what i wrote myself   :LolLolLolLol:

LOL...yeah, I read that, but still, I believe I understood what you were saying.......
I actually love that last line:

I still see what I see!

I think it fits perfectly, this entire adventure.  People will see things differently, understand things differently,
and share things in different ways.  We all see what we see.......I would venture a guess that's how Michael
likes things to be.  It's when we all come together, respect each other's views, and share what we see....that
the magic happens.   I think these are wonderful words, Mattie.....keep on writing : )
Blessings to you always!
LOVE

[mattie]

Thank you verry much Wishingstar..for trying to help.
and for you too a verry great day!


But you see why i did not used this.
The translation is so bad,i cant even read what i wrote myself   :LolLolLolLol:

LOL...yeah, I read that, but still, I believe I understood what you were saying.......
I actually love that last line:

I still see what I see!

I think it fits perfectly, this entire adventure.  People will see things differently, understand things differently,
and share things in different ways.  We all see what we see.......I would venture a guess that's how Michael
likes things to be.  It's when we all come together, respect each other's views, and share what we see....that
the magic happens.   I think these are wonderful words, Mattie.....keep on writing : )
Blessings to you always!
LOVE

thank you Wishingstar.
Blessings to you too..and it was verry nice talking to you.
And even if i am not posting much..i am here every day..From the beginning for more than 3 years now.
And i wil be here til the end.. and ready if needed! :icon_cool:

[voiceforthesilent]

Hi Matte - welcome (even though you are not really new here)

I understood what you were trying to say as well and like Wishingstar, I loved the last line too. But, I do agree with the rest too - I see two different Michael's in those pictures and I have a hard time believing it's all in the angle of the picture taking. However, the explanation that Michael was using his face as a work of art and was actually changing it through makeup, lighting, etc., well, maybe. But even so, some of the pictures above I feel are definitely Michael and the others I'm not so convinced of. How did Michael change his weight so quickly? And what happened to the scar on his chin? Some pictures it's there and some it's not. We've gone down this dark road before but hopefully in the end we will all know the truth about the ever changing features of MJ. Was it or wasn't it always him?

Blessings

[~Souza~]

I dont post much..because i dont know how to write most of what i am thinking..and what i think i see from the beginning of the hoax.
I write it in Dutch..maybe someone wil translate it for me?

Vanaf het begin zie ik wat Souza ziet..en wat mensen ook zeggen met andere hoek van fotograferen..of foto shop??
Ik zie gewoon bij geen enkele beroemdheid deze constante verschillen.
In de video Bad zie ik verder in de video een andere Michael.

Bijvoorbeeld een paar dagen geleden zag ik weer deze vergelijking voorbij komen
Waarom als het fotoshop is maken ze de kin 2 x zo lang..als dit geen foto schop is krijgt geen andere hoek of belichting voor elkaar wat hier te zien is naar mijn idee?
Iets verschil ja..maar dit.
En wat ik me ook afvraag..hoe doet men dat met bewijs zoeken ivm criminaliteit dmv bewakings- camera's??
Als men alles kan weg redeneren door verkeerde hoek..belichting etc..heeft het dus ook totaal geen zin om dat nog te gebruiken. want dan kan het iedereen zijn behalve de dader?
ik heb 0,0 verstand van Foto..grafie/shop..maar ik vind het hoogst verwarrend..en ik blijf in ieder geval minstens 2 verschillende Michaels zien..ook in gedrag/uitstraling.

Ondanks dat ik hier mensen aan het werk zie die me blijven verbazen..en ik veel respect heb voor alle knappe koppen hier..ik kan ze soms moeilijk volgen(gaat boven mijn petje) :icon_e_geek:
Ze hebben mij niet kunnen overtuigen van het tegendeel..ik begrijp soms ook niet dat ze het ondanks dat het zo duidelijk is weg redeneren..
Sorry..wil niemand tegen de haren strijken..maar ik wou dit toch eens kwijt.
Ik blijf toch zien wat ik zie!
Groetjes Mattie.

Ok, normal translate for the record:

since the beginning I see what Souza sees..whatever people say with different lightning and angles..or Photoshop??
I just don't see these constant differences with other celebrities.
In the BAD video I see a different Michael later on.

Afew days ago for example I saw this comparison again

If it's a Photoshop, why make the chin twice as long? And if it's not a photoshop then no angle would achieve what we see here to my honest opinion.
Some difference sure, but this?
And what I also wonder about..how do they do that then with searching for proof concerning criminality with security cameras?
If you can excuse everything with different angles/lightning, then it would be useless to use them. It could be anyone but the one that really did it.
I have zero knowledge of photography/Photoshop, but I find it highly confusing and I keep seeing at least 2 different Michaels, also in behaviour and expression.

Despite that, the people posting here keep amazing me and I have a lot of respect for the smart minds here, it's hard to follow them for me sometimes (it's beyond me) :icon_e_geek:
They have not been able to convince me otherwise and I also don't understand why they keep making excuses while it's so obvious.
Sorry, I don't want to anger people, but I just needed to say this.
I still see what I see!
Mattie.

[~Souza~]

I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I heard the excuse here that big eyed MJ had bigger eyes and a different chin because they were photoshoots. If people want to keep believing that then that's fine by me, but it's bs nevertheless. There is nothing wrong with the other ones eyes or chin and there is no need to make a completely different face. I am also not sure they were able to achieve that on a computer back in the 80's and even 70's where the difference already can be seen.

Oh and BTW: O2 dude is neither of the two. It baffles me that people think that is MJ. If he turns out to be either of the two MJ's in BAD, as Mattie pointed out, then I will eat my shoes... all of them.

[MJonmind]

Souza

Oh and BTW: O2 dude is neither of the two. It baffles me that people think that is MJ. If he turns out to be either of the two MJ's in BAD, as Mattie pointed out, then I will eat my shoes... all of them.

Shoes again! :icon_lol:
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If it turns out there's 3 MJ's, I'm sure I will love all three equally.  I l-o-o-o-o-o-ve the way each of them talk, not at all the way the usual impersonators talk.

[ellyd]

If we believe this early seed has some meaning, then MJ Handsome was at O2 (the guy below in the comparison) with a rebuilt face but arthrosis stricken little finger. Pattern of handlines is close as well.
The pinkie is shorter either due to an accident or from providing bone for some other job.
You can rebuild faces, teeth and everything that carries fat tissue like heels but fingers are a real difficulty because any operation around phalanges would interfere with basic finger functions. There's no way to change fingers or handlines.




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The other hand:


And this is MJ Handsome in October 2008 shopping in LA. I don't see so much difference from O2 guy.








Short chin MJ Roe-Eye (Big-Eye) was not the one at O2.

[mattie]

Thank you Souza..I wanted to say this for such a long time. but my difficulty in finding the words.

I dont believe O2 guy is Michael either.
Remember as if it was yesterday wen he did the anouncement at the O2 arena.
I was in the kitchen and froze wen i saw him..thinking who is this person how he looked like and his behavior.
This made me allert..and that is why i end up here,because wen he ,,died,,i knew something was not wright. The rest is history..
I am still here.. now even stronger in my believe after all i saw and read!

Last i want to wish a verry good and happy New Year for all of you.
With or without the Bam in the next few days..i am here til the end!
Mattie

hello Voiceforsilent.
Thank you for your respons also(i get better writing hahaha..)
But to tell you the truth..i have my questions on the make up also sometimes.
but i still have questions about lots like all of us i think.
Have a verry nice day(to all)

[~Souza~]

ellyd, that's not the same hands for sure. O2 dude is a white guy, no doubt.

[katooooooo]

I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I just want to say that photoshop is not just for that. You can create too One of my friend create portrait with photoshop. In college I learned it for 2 years and I hate it lol