MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare

[Thriller4ever]

@ellyd ...very nice post...it could be any 2, 3 or 4th scenario ...but definitely not the first. We know that Michael is alive, (at least  by the same name)

Referring Souza's post:

If the person in the DL is NOT MJ then, the following are also not:

----->http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/driverjtj.jpg   <------

the third one is from "Living With Michael Jackson"

But at the end part where Martin Bashir interviews MJ:

this one is really MJ:

Also the guy at NASDAQ is ALSO NOT MJ
going further:

ScorpionChik posted:

Wait a minute, I think I got it.  "Michael Jackson" on the false DL that expires in 2010 died on 06/25. Was this DL in hospice patient's pocket in his way to UCLA  for identification? Of course, later on, regardless of the name on DL,  all other death related documents go by Michael Joseph Jackson.

If this is the person who really died...then it's quite impossible that this guy is a DWD patient...

1) Finding a patient , who happens to be MJ impersonator, and also a DWD patient is simply impossible

2) If a DWD patient was chosen, was made to go through plastic surgeries to look like MJ, then he would not have been able to withstand those surgeries.
It's impossible that a terminally ill patient can survive under such heavy and numerous surgeries.

[MJonmind]

Ellyd, with the fingerprints there is simply so many unknowns.

If the fingerprint story is accurate -- and there is no way of knowing that -- then there are various ways the boy's fingerprints could have appeared on that magazine. Jackson and the boy could have looked at the magazine together; the boy could have discovered and perused the magazine on his own, or, the fingerprints could have been planted by a DA desperate to convict Jackson.

Thriller4ever, those are all MJ, including Nasdaq, but maybe that's what you were saying by starting with "if".
I agree with this as well.

1) Finding a patient , who happens to be MJ impersonator, and also a DWD patient is simply impossible

2) If a DWD patient was chosen, was made to go through plastic surgeries to look like MJ, then he would not have been able to withstand those surgeries.
It's impossible that a terminally ill patient can survive under such heavy and numerous surgeries.

Although Elvis said his death hoax hospice patient had surgeries to help him look like Elvis.

I still think this DL pic is clearly MJ from 1993, thus clearly not legal (as already stated the pic should be on the other side). Notice the bottom of his chin is identical in both pics, with the left side slightly lower than the right (from our view). The pic is also darker, grainier making MJ look slightly different. In many pics MJ's eyebrows are frequently darker/lighter, often eyelashes curled or thickened, but that is an easy make-up matter.

[MJonmind]

On the subject of identity theft, just for a laugh. Did anyone see this whole movie?

[Thriller4ever]

Was MJ under "mind-control" during this period...

if that person in the DL picture IS MJ, then he's definitely not himself...IMO he looks so lost...not at all his usual self. If you guys know what I mean...

[ellyd]

Well, I was wrong in one premise.
Officially, a dead body is not permitted to be examined as to finger prints as long as the coroner hasn't given his consent.
Thus, identification by finger prints does not take place in any hospital in LA (as long as directives are being followed which we can assume in this case, since taking finger prints is a laborious procedure requiring special equipment).
So: most likely no check of finger prints in hospital.

However, identification of a dead body at the coroner does take place by taking finger prints (among other methods) which are sent electronically to FBI. This will be the preferred option of identification for a case where an autopsy has been ordered. At that moment, any forgery must have come to daylight - except if the respective finger print specialist / FBI information recipient was involved as well.

So I modify the scenarios:
identification at UCLA without any reference to finger prints - identification from DL / body not important at that moment but certainly at the coroner. I do not exclude potential identity theft from the list of motivations for a crime or for the hoax.

I'll leave it at that.

[jam4truth]

Was MJ under "mind-control" during this period...

if that person in the DL picture IS MJ, then he's definitely not himself...IMO he looks so lost...not at all his usual self. If you guys know what I mean...

He could probably had been under mind-control. In this period he often hung out with Uri Geller.
Look at the pictures. Similar face expressions...

Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson (together, above) on Sunday,
saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had
sexually abused children.

Geller, best known for his claimed telekinetic ability to bend spoons, told Israel's
Army Radio that he hypnotized Jackson when the two were alone in a recording
studio at an undisclosed location.

"I told him that that if he would let me, I would hypnotize him," Geller
told the radio. "He said, 'Okay, let's give it a try.'"

source: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2004/01/18/uri-geller-declares-michael-jackson-innocent/

March 30, 2011 – Michael Jackson and Uri Geller, Schmuley Boteach and the other Watchmen

Uri Geller was a paratrooper in the military, and was involved in some experiments with MK Ultra for the CIA many years ago, where they utilized his so-called paranormal abilities in their behavioral research.

"At the age of 18[4] he served as a paratrooper in the Israeli Army,[5] and was wounded in action during the 1967 Six-Day War.  By the 1970s, Geller had become known in the United States and Europe. He also received attention from the scientific community, whose members were interested in examining his reported psychic abilities."

source and more to read: http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.de/2011/03/michael-jackson-not-up-on-new-world.html

[Thriller4ever]

I'm going to put down my thoughts....

Whether the person is MJ or not...

1)If the guy in the DL in MJ, then

- he's under mind -control (not his usual self)

2) If the person is not MJ, Then

a) He's a DWD Patient                                                                 b) He's just a duplicate, an impersonator

a.1) If the guy in the TMZ photo is a DWD patient,                              -What would have been his role in this hoax anyways?  (striking off )
it's impossible that this picture was taken in 2005,
given that a DWD patient has only 6 months to live.

a.2) Assuming that the DWD patient underwent plastic
surgeries to look like MJ any time between
January to June (before 25th),

wouldn't this have created an identity crisis for the DWD patient?

if yes...strike off this possibility
If no... IDK

And that leaves me at the 1st option....it is MJ under control...

[suspicious mind]

actually the dark patterns on the forehead sort of make me think of the somewhat darker places in murray's pics

[Jos]

@Thriller4ever.

As for 2.a):

I doubted the DWD theory at first, because I couldn't believe that MJ would use a real corpse for his Death Hoax.
But with a bit of explaining from TS, I kinda turned my believes. (and, without a BAM before 3/1/2013, this could be fake also :) )

BUT:
To use a Hospice patient is one thing. To let him get plastic surgery is another.
I cannot believe that.

How can you make that right? How can you let a person (who's got 6 months to live), go under plastic surgery?

[diggyon]

I still can't see why this is not MJ's picture in the DL! Anyone can look sad or stressed anytime, even while getting photographed. This could be the beginning of Michael's health issue as a preparation for the hoax! But I'm definitely sure that it is MJ in the pic.

[Rayanna_Rain]

@Thriller4ever.

As for 2.a):

I doubted the DWD theory at first, because I couldn't believe that MJ would use a real corpse for his Death Hoax.
But with a bit of explaining from TS, I kinda turned my believes. (and, without a BAM before 3/1/2013, this could be fake also :) )

BUT:
To use a Hospice patient is one thing. To let him get plastic surgery is another.
I cannot believe that.

How can you make that right? How can you let a person (who's got 6 months to live), go under plastic surgery?

What if he was already done with surgery? I don't know how that would really work, but I doubt a man with 6 months to live is going to go under surgery. Also there was a video, I forgot where it was, but it was Jermaine (Michael's brother) responding on that, saying that Michael used that 6 months thing as a way to get publicity for his This Is It concert. So I don't know if that's true, but I heard him say it. He said something about Michael knowing how to manipulate the media and his ex wife Lisa Presley even said it also, talking about how he could manipulate the media.

[Adore]

I still can't see why this is not MJ's picture in the DL! Anyone can look sad or stressed anytime, even while getting photographed. This could be the beginning of Michael's health issue as a preparation for the hoax! But I'm definitely sure that it is MJ in the pic.

I also think it's him. And I believe the focus it's not on the picture.

[Thriller4ever]

@Thriller4ever.

As for 2.a):

I doubted the DWD theory at first, because I couldn't believe that MJ would use a real corpse for his Death Hoax.
But with a bit of explaining from TS, I kinda turned my believes. (and, without a BAM before 3/1/2013, this could be fake also :) )

BUT:
To use a Hospice patient is one thing. To let him get plastic surgery is another.
I cannot believe that.

How can you make that right? How can you let a person (who's got 6 months to live), go under plastic surgery?

no...that's not possible...one of the reason to strike off the possibility...which i forgot to mention  ;D

@Diggy and @Adore ... I was considering Souza's post and the two pictures she posted were kind of different which made me think it could be possible, but then i couldn't see where an impersonator can fit in so....I think it is Michael.....

If it is a DWD patient, UCLA has to be in the hoax right? (correct me if i'm wrong), then according to ellyd's post there would have been no need for any sting on UCLA...

[iamamjbeliever]

Michael had lupus that's why his face looks unnormal

[Loveunited]

Whatever purpose TMZ had in posting this pic yesterday, the story has been picked up by other rags, and is trending on Yahoo now :affraid: